How do you think race actually impacts admissions now?

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Anonymous wrote:DC is at a top lac, rising sophomore. People are already calling the ‘28 class the “white class,” because of how non-diverse the rising class is based off their class instagram and admitted student visits. Students do feel betrayed, because diversity is a massive student body interest and why people come to the school in the first place

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Is it the white class or the Asian class? The "accepted student" Instagrams for every top school we've looked at seem OVERWHELMINGLY Asian and South Asian.
It's turning off my kid--not because he has ANYTHING against Asians but because he comes from a diverse high school and really wants diversity in college.

DP, but it would turn me off to but for different reasons. Not trying to offend Asian Americans, but in college, they were the coldest students, the most competitive and most lacking in collaboration if you weren’t Asian, and Asian men were the first I’d have to speak out against in lab classes for taking equipment out of women’s hands or disrespecting other students in lab, because they were women or students of color. I’m sure they’re the best students on paper, but they were a constant red flag in my science department for being massive douches to everyone else

wow, tell me you are stereotyping with not saying it directly. My white kid is at an ivy and has dozens of asian friends and they are not more competitive than anyone else. They are funny , creative, friendly, and brilliant. When I went to school for Engineering years ago we had many asians and few women and the women did sometimes suffer sterotypical male behavior but it was a variety of male races. I find your post quite narrow minded

Their perspective must have been primed for racism. If you run into someone who is non collaborative, most people blame the person. This PP blamed an entire RACE. And assumed others of the race are the same! It’s shocking. Maybe this gives that poster food for thought about how they interpret the actions and personalities of others.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s disgusting that anyone cares if the Ivy League is 100% Asian- bring in the best candidates! Diversity = Mediocrity and should not be considered for admission to a top college. Anyone who says otherwise is a racist.

You don’t think there’s any benefits to diversity?

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Anonymous wrote:It’s disgusting that anyone cares if the Ivy League is 100% Asian- bring in the best candidates! Diversity = Mediocrity and should not be considered for admission to a top college. Anyone who says otherwise is a racist.

You don’t think there’s any benefits to diversity?

+1 I would think a diverse student body would offer a great learning experience for all. There are talented students of all races. So it wouldn't be "mediocrity"....

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Anonymous wrote:It’s disgusting that anyone cares if the Ivy League is 100% Asian- bring in the best candidates! Diversity = Mediocrity and should not be considered for admission to a top college. Anyone who says otherwise is a racist.

You don’t think there’s any benefits to diversity?

+1 I would think a diverse student body would offer a great learning experience for all. There are talented students of all races. So it wouldn't be "mediocrity"....

For public record, you are fine with a low income Asian student in poverty whose highly intelligent and better than most of these black and Hispanic applicants getting rejected, because it makes you feel better about the learning experience. Human filth

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Anyone who presumes a Latino or Black or poor student is at an Ivy+ because of diversity is, obviously, prejudiced. Likewise, anyone who presumes a wealthy student is there because of their family donates to the fund.

When somebody tells me they are at a top school I assume they earned their spot - and I will be right 99.5% of the time.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t know about undergrad, but it sure seems like med schools are still using affirmative action.

Med schools are a whole different world. I will say that having a black doctor can be life or death for black mothers. We also need rural doctors so AA for rural students, especially at UC Davis, is important. Medicine is a bit different, because it’s professional school that serves the public in important ways. Many of these top schools are finishing schools for consulting firms

This is a nice idea, but many just talk a good game on their application about serving their communities but just end up working for Kaiser. Also, if you think that med schools care about underserved communities, I have a bridge to sell you. Most care only about money, image, and rankings. And, as part of the image part, they like being able to take photos with minority students so they look like they care about diversity or serving diverse populations. They also like writing stories about the “path to medicine” of some white kid with a Spanish last name or whose great great great great great grandmother was Choctaw. It is such phony BS.

[Anonymous]

Back to topic, I liked the response about racial-exposing extracurriculars being the answer. I’m sure they get a ton of demographic information from “Girls who Code” or BSU president

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Anonymous wrote:Anyone who presumes a Latino or Black or poor student is at an Ivy+ because of diversity is, obviously, prejudiced. Likewise, anyone who presumes a wealthy student is there because of their family donates to the fund.

When somebody tells me they are at a top school I assume they earned their spot - and I will be right 99.5% of the time.

We know from the Harvard case that this isn’t true and that the blacks and Hispanic students are worse

No, we do not know that.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t know about undergrad, but it sure seems like med schools are still using affirmative action.

Med schools are a whole different world. I will say that having a black doctor can be life or death for black mothers. We also need rural doctors so AA for rural students, especially at UC Davis, is important. Medicine is a bit different, because it’s professional school that serves the public in important ways. Many of these top schools are finishing schools for consulting firms

This is a nice idea, but many just talk a good game on their application about serving their communities but just end up working for Kaiser. Also, if you think that med schools care about underserved communities, I have a bridge to sell you. Most care only about money, image, and rankings. And, as part of the image part, they like being able to take photos with minority students so they look like they care about diversity or serving diverse populations. They also like writing stories about the “path to medicine” of some white kid with a Spanish last name or whose great great great great great grandmother was Choctaw. It is such phony BS.

Whenever I meet posters like you, I realize that these schools can’t do anything to convince you. Affirmative action and rural recruitment is clear proof that they DO care about underrepresented people. Sure they can’t stop John Guzman, whose 90% white with some long Spanish background from applying as if he’s Hispanic, but the fact that he gets an admissions boost clearly shows that they do care at least a little about diversity.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Anyone who presumes a Latino or Black or poor student is at an Ivy+ because of diversity is, obviously, prejudiced. Likewise, anyone who presumes a wealthy student is there because of their family donates to the fund.

When somebody tells me they are at a top school I assume they earned their spot - and I will be right 99.5% of the time.

We know from the Harvard case that this isn’t true and that the blacks and Hispanic students are worse

No, we do not know that.

I’m pretty sure the case concluded that a non insignificant amount of black students couldn’t get in without affirmative action and that black students needed to meet a much lower academic bar than Asian students. That seems pretty cut and dry that they are worse students and shouldn’t be at Harvard

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t know about undergrad, but it sure seems like med schools are still using affirmative action.

Med schools are a whole different world. I will say that having a black doctor can be life or death for black mothers. We also need rural doctors so AA for rural students, especially at UC Davis, is important. Medicine is a bit different, because it’s professional school that serves the public in important ways. Many of these top schools are finishing schools for consulting firms

This is a nice idea, but many just talk a good game on their application about serving their communities but just end up working for Kaiser. Also, if you think that med schools care about underserved communities, I have a bridge to sell you. Most care only about money, image, and rankings. And, as part of the image part, they like being able to take photos with minority students so they look like they care about diversity or serving diverse populations. They also like writing stories about the “path to medicine” of some white kid with a Spanish last name or whose great great great great great grandmother was Choctaw. It is such phony BS.

Whenever I meet posters like you, I realize that these schools can’t do anything to convince you. Affirmative action and rural recruitment is clear proof that they DO care about underrepresented people. Sure they can’t stop John Guzman, whose 90% white with some long Spanish background from applying as if he’s Hispanic, but the fact that he gets an admissions boost clearly shows that they do care at least a little about diversity.

Well, John Guzman shouldn’t get an admission boost in the first place, so why is this a good thing?

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People here act innocent and like they wouldn’t care about a majority Asian Ivy League until it actually happens. Excited for the posts complaining about the lack of culture and diversity and how “difficult it is” to get into the Ivies once the bar has been stabilized. Harvard will thankfully be 70%+ Asian in the future and that’s a good thing

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don’t know about undergrad, but it sure seems like med schools are still using affirmative action.

Med schools are a whole different world. I will say that having a black doctor can be life or death for black mothers. We also need rural doctors so AA for rural students, especially at UC Davis, is important. Medicine is a bit different, because it’s professional school that serves the public in important ways. Many of these top schools are finishing schools for consulting firms

This is a nice idea, but many just talk a good game on their application about serving their communities but just end up working for Kaiser. Also, if you think that med schools care about underserved communities, I have a bridge to sell you. Most care only about money, image, and rankings. And, as part of the image part, they like being able to take photos with minority students so they look like they care about diversity or serving diverse populations. They also like writing stories about the “path to medicine” of some white kid with a Spanish last name or whose great great great great great grandmother was Choctaw. It is such phony BS.

Whenever I meet posters like you, I realize that these schools can’t do anything to convince you. Affirmative action and rural recruitment is clear proof that they DO care about underrepresented people. Sure they can’t stop John Guzman, whose 90% white with some long Spanish background from applying as if he’s Hispanic, but the fact that he gets an admissions boost clearly shows that they do care at least a little about diversity.

Well, John Guzman shouldn’t get an admission boost in the first place, so why is this a good thing?

According to you they don’t care about underrepresented groups so there’s no boost to speak of. See the logical gap?

[Anonymous]

The race card will continue to be used because parents can't understand how a URM with a 3.95 and 1510 on the SAT was accepted to a top school but their kid was denied and had 4.0 and 1530. It is assinine as there is little objective difference between the candidates. Admissions at the tops schools are a crapshoot. Sometimes the subjective criteria will benefit your child but other times not.

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Anonymous wrote:Anyone who presumes a Latino or Black or poor student is at an Ivy+ because of diversity is, obviously, prejudiced. Likewise, anyone who presumes a wealthy student is there because of their family donates to the fund.

When somebody tells me they are at a top school I assume they earned their spot - and I will be right 99.5% of the time.

We know from the Harvard case that this isn’t true and that the blacks and Hispanic students are worse

All we know from that dataset are averages. Skewness in small populations (such as the small number of black students at Harvard) is exaggerated by ouliers. Do you even understand that? No point in debating you if you don't even understand what you're talking about.