How do you think race actually impacts admissions now?

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Anonymous wrote:DC is at Harvard and there’s a clear intellectual chasm between his Asian friends and the black people in the class. Most of the blacks are in easy degrees like African Studies and Sociology, while Asian friends are in much more rigorous course work. Last year, only one Harvard math grad was black- very embarrassing for those students in Black studies

So when a black girl finishes Harvard with a degree in astrophysics it is all because of affirmative action? Her math doesn't actually math?

Subject: How do you think race actually impacts admissions now?

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Anonymous wrote:Some URM kids who are reluctant to talk about their "culture" for these colleges. These are kids who don't want to play a game, dance for these admissions committees. "there's more to me than my race" etc. I work w these kids and it's like pulling teeth.

Also, a huge percentage still think they'll be discriminated against. I think we assume everyone knows the state of play, but a lot of kids are on their own in this process and they're not super educated on this.

I think colleges don't really care because they want diverse classes, but would prefer the have the children of educated Black professionals. Who absolutely do know the game.

Well then they can tout the "race diversity" and greatly increase the chances of "success". It's economic background that is more likely to lead to "not finishing College" from a first generation/lower income kid than race. And ultimately colleges want everyone to graduate

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t know about undergrad, but it sure seems like med schools are still using affirmative action.

Med schools are a whole different world. I will say that having a black doctor can be life or death for black mothers. We also need rural doctors so AA for rural students, especially at UC Davis, is important. Medicine is a bit different, because it’s professional school that serves the public in important ways. Many of these top schools are finishing schools for consulting firms

This is a nice idea, but many just talk a good game on their application about serving their communities but just end up working for Kaiser. Also, if you think that med schools care about underserved communities, I have a bridge to sell you. Most care only about money, image, and rankings. And, as part of the image part, they like being able to take photos with minority students so they look like they care about diversity or serving diverse populations. They also like writing stories about the “path to medicine” of some white kid with a Spanish last name or whose great great great great great grandmother was Choctaw. It is such phony BS.

Whenever I meet posters like you, I realize that these schools can’t do anything to convince you. Affirmative action and rural recruitment is clear proof that they DO care about underrepresented people. Sure they can’t stop John Guzman, whose 90% white with some long Spanish background from applying as if he’s Hispanic, but the fact that he gets an admissions boost clearly shows that they do care at least a little about diversity.

Well, John Guzman shouldn’t get an admission boost in the first place, so why is this a good thing?

According to you they don’t care about underrepresented groups so there’s no boost to speak of. See the logical gap?

Ha! They can write a blurb about John (whose German Nazi ancestors fled to Mexico) and how his Mexican heritage shaped his life and how he witnessed healthcare inequities in “his” community on a trip to LA once and how this inspired his otherwise privileged pathway to medicine so that he could some day meet the medical needs of the poor Latino community when he will really just go into the most lucrative specialty he can. This is woke academia gold, so of course they give John the boost.

So true. That’s why most med school classes are majority White and Asian students who all had to go through in person interviews

And those students usually have sky high stats and a superhuman resume. But look at any of the “pathway to medicine” or white coat blurbs highlighting certain students and these people are never featured. It always takes the same form as the story described above. Schools want either high stat superhumans or URM feel good stories. This is the image they want to
portray.

They. Are. Everywhere.
You might just fixate too much on black women my dude. It’s ok to get help.

Stay in denial.

I guess I will. I tremble when I see a hospital with two black doctors and a 70%+ doctor staff that’s white or Asian. Ugh, did they have to hire TWO

Subject: Re:How do you think race actually impacts admissions now?

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Anonymous wrote:DC is at Harvard and there’s a clear intellectual chasm between his Asian friends and the black people in the class. Most of the blacks are in easy degrees like African Studies and Sociology, while Asian friends are in much more rigorous course work. Last year, only one Harvard math grad was black- very embarrassing for those students in Black studies

So when a black girl finishes Harvard with a degree in astrophysics it is all because of affirmative action? Her math doesn't actually math?

Sadly for you that black girl doesn’t exist. She’s too busy learning about Dubois to get a real education

08/14/2024 14:43

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Anonymous wrote:DC is at a top lac, rising sophomore. People are already calling the ‘28 class the “white class,” because of how non-diverse the rising class is based off their class instagram and admitted student visits. Students do feel betrayed, because diversity is a massive student body interest and why people come to the school in the first place

Is it the white class or the Asian class? The "accepted student" Instagrams for every top school we've looked at seem OVERWHELMINGLY Asian and South Asian.
It's turning off my kid--not because he has ANYTHING against Asians but because he comes from a diverse high school and really wants diversity in college.

DP, but it would turn me off to but for different reasons. Not trying to offend Asian Americans, but in college, they were the coldest students, the most competitive and most lacking in collaboration if you weren’t Asian, and Asian men were the first I’d have to speak out against in lab classes for taking equipment out of women’s hands or disrespecting other students in lab, because they were women or students of color. I’m sure they’re the best students on paper, but they were a constant red flag in my science department for being massive douches to everyone else

wow, tell me you are stereotyping with not saying it directly. My white kid is at an ivy and has dozens of asian friends and they are not more competitive than anyone else. They are funny , creative, friendly, and brilliant. When I went to school for Engineering years ago we had many asians and few women and the women did sometimes suffer sterotypical male behavior but it was a variety of male races. I find your post quite narrow minded

Their perspective must have been primed for racism. If you run into someone who is non collaborative, most people blame the person. This PP blamed an entire RACE. And assumed others of the race are the same! It’s shocking. Maybe this gives that poster food for thought about how they interpret the actions and personalities of others.

You don’t think demographics can have a play in academia at all? Is this a serious response or just a troll trying to out woke me

It's more about socio-economic background than race.

08/14/2024 14:45

Subject: Re:How do you think race actually impacts admissions now?

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Anonymous wrote:DC is at a top lac, rising sophomore. People are already calling the ‘28 class the “white class,” because of how non-diverse the rising class is based off their class instagram and admitted student visits. Students do feel betrayed, because diversity is a massive student body interest and why people come to the school in the first place

Is it the white class or the Asian class? The "accepted student" Instagrams for every top school we've looked at seem OVERWHELMINGLY Asian and South Asian.
It's turning off my kid--not because he has ANYTHING against Asians but because he comes from a diverse high school and really wants diversity in college.

DP, but it would turn me off to but for different reasons. Not trying to offend Asian Americans, but in college, they were the coldest students, the most competitive and most lacking in collaboration if you weren’t Asian, and Asian men were the first I’d have to speak out against in lab classes for taking equipment out of women’s hands or disrespecting other students in lab, because they were women or students of color. I’m sure they’re the best students on paper, but they were a constant red flag in my science department for being massive douches to everyone else

wow, tell me you are stereotyping with not saying it directly. My white kid is at an ivy and has dozens of asian friends and they are not more competitive than anyone else. They are funny , creative, friendly, and brilliant. When I went to school for Engineering years ago we had many asians and few women and the women did sometimes suffer sterotypical male behavior but it was a variety of male races. I find your post quite narrow minded

Their perspective must have been primed for racism. If you run into someone who is non collaborative, most people blame the person. This PP blamed an entire RACE. And assumed others of the race are the same! It’s shocking. Maybe this gives that poster food for thought about how they interpret the actions and personalities of others.

You don’t think demographics can have a play in academia at all? Is this a serious response or just a troll trying to out woke me

It's more about socio-economic background than race.

Poor Asian kids are doing great at the ivies. Poor blacks…

08/14/2024 14:47

Subject: How do you think race actually impacts admissions now?

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Anonymous wrote:I had an AA senior last year, and one who graduated 3 years ago. They had roughly the same stats (1550 SAT, lots of APs, close to 4.0 UW; extracurriculars were similar, essays seemed similar to my untrained eye). Last year's senior was clearly identifiable as AA (through some AA-related awards.) The two kids' admissions experiences were very, very different. You never, know-- it could just be random/luck of the draw. But from my perspective, there wasn't a good explanation for the difference.

Also, our HS had many more Asian Ivy admits than previous years, and the AA students didn't fare nearly as well as prior years.

Opposite at dc’s school. Black students did the same as usual. Asian Ivy acceptance fell disastrously.

Which ivies though.

Some care about URM/race more than others - esp coming from east coast privates - bc they need that diversity while others have different pockets/ability to access diverse local pools.

The biggest drop was from Princeton and Harvard. Columbia had a slight gain in black students, while other ivies had the same black acceptances. Asian students climbed a little at Brown, but every other college accepted fewer than the past 5 years

how in the world do you know this? It's not been published anywhere that I can find.

Comparing naviances and past graduation pages to current graduation college page (fully complete). Historically this was the schools worst year for Asian students, but best year for everyone else.

This is true for our private. But
biracial half Asian students did much better than full Asian students with better stats.

Though I think there is some correlation between majors. Asians, who are traditional, stem applicants tend to do the worst.

And white students did the very best.

it definately is more about major. If applying to a school with 10% acceptance rate, it's challenging for everyone. But if applying to CS or Engineering (with a 3-4% acceptance rate), its obviously much more challenging. 97% are gonna get rejected. It has nothing to do with your race and more to do with schools view 1520 the same as 1580---there isn't a difference. Once you cross the 1520 bar, they don't care and move on to the rest of the application. And it cancome down to your essays or a teacher recommendation that puts you over the top. And yes, they might think a kid with a 1470 from innercity/poor neighborhood who is a leader and has taken all the APs their school offers (which is 4) has something to offer the university and it might be more than your snowflake with a 3.99/1550/paid for ECs by someone who has had all privileges in life.

08/14/2024 14:47

Subject: Re:How do you think race actually impacts admissions now?

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t know about undergrad, but it sure seems like med schools are still using affirmative action.

Med schools are a whole different world. I will say that having a black doctor can be life or death for black mothers. We also need rural doctors so AA for rural students, especially at UC Davis, is important. Medicine is a bit different, because it’s professional school that serves the public in important ways. Many of these top schools are finishing schools for consulting firms

This is a nice idea, but many just talk a good game on their application about serving their communities but just end up working for Kaiser. Also, if you think that med schools care about underserved communities, I have a bridge to sell you. Most care only about money, image, and rankings. And, as part of the image part, they like being able to take photos with minority students so they look like they care about diversity or serving diverse populations. They also like writing stories about the “path to medicine” of some white kid with a Spanish last name or whose great great great great great grandmother was Choctaw. It is such phony BS.

Whenever I meet posters like you, I realize that these schools can’t do anything to convince you. Affirmative action and rural recruitment is clear proof that they DO care about underrepresented people. Sure they can’t stop John Guzman, whose 90% white with some long Spanish background from applying as if he’s Hispanic, but the fact that he gets an admissions boost clearly shows that they do care at least a little about diversity.

Well, John Guzman shouldn’t get an admission boost in the first place, so why is this a good thing?

According to you they don’t care about underrepresented groups so there’s no boost to speak of. See the logical gap?

Ha! They can write a blurb about John (whose German Nazi ancestors fled to Mexico) and how his Mexican heritage shaped his life and how he witnessed healthcare inequities in “his” community on a trip to LA once and how this inspired his otherwise privileged pathway to medicine so that he could some day meet the medical needs of the poor Latino community when he will really just go into the most lucrative specialty he can. This is woke academia gold, so of course they give John the boost.

So true. That’s why most med school classes are majority White and Asian students who all had to go through in person interviews

And those students usually have sky high stats and a superhuman resume. But look at any of the “pathway to medicine” or white coat blurbs highlighting certain students and these people are never featured. It always takes the same form as the story described above. Schools want either high stat superhumans or URM feel good stories. This is the image they want to
portray.

They. Are. Everywhere.
You might just fixate too much on black women my dude. It’s ok to get help.

Stay in denial.

I guess I will. I tremble when I see a hospital with two black doctors and a 70%+ doctor staff that’s white or Asian. Ugh, did they have to hire TWO

Go to Kaiser.

Subject: Re:How do you think race actually impacts admissions now?

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Anonymous wrote:It’s disgusting that anyone cares if the Ivy League is 100% Asian- bring in the best candidates! Diversity = Mediocrity and should not be considered for admission to a top college. Anyone who says otherwise is a racist.

How about we let the Ivy League schools and other "elite schools" decide what they think makes the best freshman class? They are private universities and have the right to select for themselves.

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Anonymous wrote:DC is at Harvard and there’s a clear intellectual chasm between his Asian friends and the black people in the class. Most of the blacks are in easy degrees like African Studies and Sociology, while Asian friends are in much more rigorous course work. Last year, only one Harvard math grad was black- very embarrassing for those students in Black studies

So when a black girl finishes Harvard with a degree in astrophysics it is all because of affirmative action? Her math doesn't actually math?

Sadly for you that black girl doesn’t exist. She’s too busy learning about Dubois to get a real education

Ah, but she does. And is now a Rhodes scholar.

What are you outside of being a troll?

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Anonymous wrote:DC is at a top lac, rising sophomore. People are already calling the ‘28 class the “white class,” because of how non-diverse the rising class is based off their class instagram and admitted student visits. Students do feel betrayed, because diversity is a massive student body interest and why people come to the school in the first place

Is it the white class or the Asian class? The "accepted student" Instagrams for every top school we've looked at seem OVERWHELMINGLY Asian and South Asian.
It's turning off my kid--not because he has ANYTHING against Asians but because he comes from a diverse high school and really wants diversity in college.

DP, but it would turn me off to but for different reasons. Not trying to offend Asian Americans, but in college, they were the coldest students, the most competitive and most lacking in collaboration if you weren’t Asian, and Asian men were the first I’d have to speak out against in lab classes for taking equipment out of women’s hands or disrespecting other students in lab, because they were women or students of color. I’m sure they’re the best students on paper, but they were a constant red flag in my science department for being massive douches to everyone else

I hate to admit this, but I have the same belief. I had so many Asian male peers mistreat me in a way that white men wouldn’t dare do.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s disgusting that anyone cares if the Ivy League is 100% Asian- bring in the best candidates! Diversity = Mediocrity and should not be considered for admission to a top college. Anyone who says otherwise is a racist.

Top can also mean creative ideas. Not everything can be measured by a test. I would not want my kid to attend an Ivy if they are not diverse. What can you learn from your friends, if everyone grew up the same?

So now Asians aren’t creative? Hmm…

I am sure some Asians are very creative but they surely don’t make the top 100% of all Ivy’s hence the need for diversity.

08/14/2024 14:54

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t know about undergrad, but it sure seems like med schools are still using affirmative action.

Med schools are a whole different world. I will say that having a black doctor can be life or death for black mothers. We also need rural doctors so AA for rural students, especially at UC Davis, is important. Medicine is a bit different, because it’s professional school that serves the public in important ways. Many of these top schools are finishing schools for consulting firms

This is a nice idea, but many just talk a good game on their application about serving their communities but just end up working for Kaiser. Also, if you think that med schools care about underserved communities, I have a bridge to sell you. Most care only about money, image, and rankings. And, as part of the image part, they like being able to take photos with minority students so they look like they care about diversity or serving diverse populations. They also like writing stories about the “path to medicine” of some white kid with a Spanish last name or whose great great great great great grandmother was Choctaw. It is such phony BS.

Whenever I meet posters like you, I realize that these schools can’t do anything to convince you. Affirmative action and rural recruitment is clear proof that they DO care about underrepresented people. Sure they can’t stop John Guzman, whose 90% white with some long Spanish background from applying as if he’s Hispanic, but the fact that he gets an admissions boost clearly shows that they do care at least a little about diversity.

Well, John Guzman shouldn’t get an admission boost in the first place, so why is this a good thing?

According to you they don’t care about underrepresented groups so there’s no boost to speak of. See the logical gap?

Ha! They can write a blurb about John (whose German Nazi ancestors fled to Mexico) and how his Mexican heritage shaped his life and how he witnessed healthcare inequities in “his” community on a trip to LA once and how this inspired his otherwise privileged pathway to medicine so that he could some day meet the medical needs of the poor Latino community when he will really just go into the most lucrative specialty he can. This is woke academia gold, so of course they give John the boost.

So true. That’s why most med school classes are majority White and Asian students who all had to go through in person interviews

And those students usually have sky high stats and a superhuman resume. But look at any of the “pathway to medicine” or white coat blurbs highlighting certain students and these people are never featured. It always takes the same form as the story described above. Schools want either high stat superhumans or URM feel good stories. This is the image they want to
portray.

They. Are. Everywhere.
You might just fixate too much on black women my dude. It’s ok to get help.

Stay in denial.

I guess I will. I tremble when I see a hospital with two black doctors and a 70%+ doctor staff that’s white or Asian. Ugh, did they have to hire TWO

Go to Kaiser.

If I’m ever in California, sure. I don’t tremble at board certified doctors just because their skin is different than mine

08/14/2024 14:54

Subject: Re:How do you think race actually impacts admissions now?

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Anonymous wrote:DC is at Harvard and there’s a clear intellectual chasm between his Asian friends and the black people in the class. Most of the blacks are in easy degrees like African Studies and Sociology, while Asian friends are in much more rigorous course work. Last year, only one Harvard math grad was black- very embarrassing for those students in Black studies

So when a black girl finishes Harvard with a degree in astrophysics it is all because of affirmative action? Her math doesn't actually math?

In the history of the world, there are only 26 black women that ever received a doctorate in astrophysics from any school.

I mean, c'mon. It's a problem.

Tell me about all the black people getting advanced degrees in astrophysics from Harvard.

Crickets.