How do you think race actually impacts admissions now?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:DC is at a top lac, rising sophomore. People are already calling the ‘28 class the “white class,” because of how non-diverse the rising class is based off their class instagram and admitted student visits. Students do feel betrayed, because diversity is a massive student body interest and why people come to the school in the first place

Is it the white class or the Asian class? The "accepted student" Instagrams for every top school we've looked at seem OVERWHELMINGLY Asian and South Asian.
It's turning off my kid--not because he has ANYTHING against Asians but because he comes from a diverse high school and really wants diversity in college.

No it’s definitely the white class. There’s Asian students, but this is a college that already has a ton. The school I’m estimating halved its black population (yikes) and filled in with white students. There’s also fewer Hispanic students, but a lot more international students (read Beijing, London, Ukraine)

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I had an AA senior last year, and one who graduated 3 years ago. They had roughly the same stats (1550 SAT, lots of APs, close to 4.0 UW; extracurriculars were similar, essays seemed similar to my untrained eye). Last year's senior was clearly identifiable as AA (through some AA-related awards.) The two kids' admissions experiences were very, very different. You never, know-- it could just be random/luck of the draw. But from my perspective, there wasn't a good explanation for the difference.

Also, our HS had many more Asian Ivy admits than previous years, and the AA students didn't fare nearly as well as prior years.

Opposite at dc’s school. Black students did the same as usual. Asian Ivy acceptance fell disastrously.

Which ivies though.

Some care about URM/race more than others - esp coming from east coast privates - bc they need that diversity while others have different pockets/ability to access diverse local pools.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:After going through it last year, with a biracial (wasian) kid with unusual (non stem) interests, I think being mixed race actually helped at some schools.

Agree. Biracial /multiracial kids who lean into that identity did very well in ‘28

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:DC is at a top lac, rising sophomore. People are already calling the ‘28 class the “white class,” because of how non-diverse the rising class is based off their class instagram and admitted student visits. Students do feel betrayed, because diversity is a massive student body interest and why people come to the school in the first place

Is it the white class or the Asian class? The "accepted student" Instagrams for every top school we've looked at seem OVERWHELMINGLY Asian and South Asian.
It's turning off my kid--not because he has ANYTHING against Asians but because he comes from a diverse high school and really wants diversity in college.

DP, but it would turn me off to but for different reasons. Not trying to offend Asian Americans, but in college, they were the coldest students, the most competitive and most lacking in collaboration if you weren’t Asian, and Asian men were the first I’d have to speak out against in lab classes for taking equipment out of women’s hands or disrespecting other students in lab, because they were women or students of color. I’m sure they’re the best students on paper, but they were a constant red flag in my science department for being massive douches to everyone else

[Anonymous]

Colleges look to a students’ extracurriculars and their essays to determine race, and then they look at the transcript to determine if said student can do the work.

Apparently this is against the law, but this past admission cycle I saw it in action. I know of one student in particular who got admitted into two of the hardest schools in the country (non ivies) with a transcript that was shockingly weak, relying on online schools and easy DE classes to secure a 4.0. It worked!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I had an AA senior last year, and one who graduated 3 years ago. They had roughly the same stats (1550 SAT, lots of APs, close to 4.0 UW; extracurriculars were similar, essays seemed similar to my untrained eye). Last year's senior was clearly identifiable as AA (through some AA-related awards.) The two kids' admissions experiences were very, very different. You never, know-- it could just be random/luck of the draw. But from my perspective, there wasn't a good explanation for the difference.

Also, our HS had many more Asian Ivy admits than previous years, and the AA students didn't fare nearly as well as prior years.

Opposite at dc’s school. Black students did the same as usual. Asian Ivy acceptance fell disastrously.

Which ivies though.

Some care about URM/race more than others - esp coming from east coast privates - bc they need that diversity while others have different pockets/ability to access diverse local pools.

The biggest drop was from Princeton and Harvard. Columbia had a slight gain in black students, while other ivies had the same black acceptances. Asian students climbed a little at Brown, but every other college accepted fewer than the past 5 years

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Colleges look to a students’ extracurriculars and their essays to determine race, and then they look at the transcript to determine if said student can do the work.

Apparently this is against the law, but this past admission cycle I saw it in action. I know of one student in particular who got admitted into two of the hardest schools in the country (non ivies) with a transcript that was shockingly weak, relying on online schools and easy DE classes to secure a 4.0. It worked!

Eh I know an Indian girl who did online school and a few women in computing groups that got her into MIT. Online school is a big advantage

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I had an AA senior last year, and one who graduated 3 years ago. They had roughly the same stats (1550 SAT, lots of APs, close to 4.0 UW; extracurriculars were similar, essays seemed similar to my untrained eye). Last year's senior was clearly identifiable as AA (through some AA-related awards.) The two kids' admissions experiences were very, very different. You never, know-- it could just be random/luck of the draw. But from my perspective, there wasn't a good explanation for the difference.

Also, our HS had many more Asian Ivy admits than previous years, and the AA students didn't fare nearly as well as prior years.

Opposite at dc’s school. Black students did the same as usual. Asian Ivy acceptance fell disastrously.

Which ivies though.

Some care about URM/race more than others - esp coming from east coast privates - bc they need that diversity while others have different pockets/ability to access diverse local pools.

The biggest drop was from Princeton and Harvard. Columbia had a slight gain in black students, while other ivies had the same black acceptances. Asian students climbed a little at Brown, but every other college accepted fewer than the past 5 years

how in the world do you know this? It's not been published anywhere that I can find.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Colleges look to a students’ extracurriculars and their essays to determine race, and then they look at the transcript to determine if said student can do the work.

Apparently this is against the law, but this past admission cycle I saw it in action. I know of one student in particular who got admitted into two of the hardest schools in the country (non ivies) with a transcript that was shockingly weak, relying on online schools and easy DE classes to secure a 4.0. It worked!

Eh I know an Indian girl who did online school and a few women in computing groups that got her into MIT. Online school is a big advantage

Are schools weary of students who game the system this way? It seems not, but it’s such an obvious ploy to get an easy A.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Many colleges are almost certainly illegally engaging in covert racial discrimination when they can get away with it, because they are ideologically driven to do so.

It’s likely less overt than before… has to be subtle enough to withstand future lawsuits.

Hopefully the practice will end one day but we’re not there yet.

Sorry to the PP whose kid was told they were “too Asian.” Disgraceful behavior but not surprising.

“Almost certainly” You speak with such authority. Add some citations or else you are just blowing hot air.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I had an AA senior last year, and one who graduated 3 years ago. They had roughly the same stats (1550 SAT, lots of APs, close to 4.0 UW; extracurriculars were similar, essays seemed similar to my untrained eye). Last year's senior was clearly identifiable as AA (through some AA-related awards.) The two kids' admissions experiences were very, very different. You never, know-- it could just be random/luck of the draw. But from my perspective, there wasn't a good explanation for the difference.

Also, our HS had many more Asian Ivy admits than previous years, and the AA students didn't fare nearly as well as prior years.

Opposite at dc’s school. Black students did the same as usual. Asian Ivy acceptance fell disastrously.

Which ivies though.

Some care about URM/race more than others - esp coming from east coast privates - bc they need that diversity while others have different pockets/ability to access diverse local pools.

The biggest drop was from Princeton and Harvard. Columbia had a slight gain in black students, while other ivies had the same black acceptances. Asian students climbed a little at Brown, but every other college accepted fewer than the past 5 years

how in the world do you know this? It's not been published anywhere that I can find.

Comparing naviances and past graduation pages to current graduation college page (fully complete). Historically this was the schools worst year for Asian students, but best year for everyone else.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:In my experience, Asians have a very hard time with admissions. One interviewer at an ivy told my child that she was “just too Asian” and recommended she play the drums instead of a string instrument. !
However, there are still schools out there who don’t care and see the whole student -not just their race.

Did not happen.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Colleges look to a students’ extracurriculars and their essays to determine race, and then they look at the transcript to determine if said student can do the work.

Apparently this is against the law, but this past admission cycle I saw it in action. I know of one student in particular who got admitted into two of the hardest schools in the country (non ivies) with a transcript that was shockingly weak, relying on online schools and easy DE classes to secure a 4.0. It worked!

Eh I know an Indian girl who did online school and a few women in computing groups that got her into MIT. Online school is a big advantage

Are schools weary of students who game the system this way? It seems not, but it’s such an obvious ploy to get an easy A.

They’re completely unaware. One massive red flag zone is Las Vegas (massive online education system integrated with public schools so students can take aps off campus, but there’s a ton of cheating)

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think colleges are finding ways to consider it. I expect another lawsuit at some point. Once a school has to pay a real settlement, the practice will end

But are colleges now actually getting a count of the racial demographics of their admitted class? Are the new matriculants ever asked their race?

The Common App still includes the race and ethnicity checkboxes for this purpose. Colleges are required to report this information by the federal government. The checkboxes are not a data field included in admissions review of applicants.

You still don’t have to check it. My white kid didn’t last year.

He was in at several T10/20. I suspect the ruling helped some

[Anonymous]

Colleges are following the ruling. They do not want to face negative repercussions.