How do you think race actually impacts admissions now?

[Anonymous]

I have experience from this as an alum of a very famous first gen low income program, whose been butting my head in asking questions.
The inequality is getting worse.

What’s happening is that colleges are going to select more and more from CBOs that signal race-Thrive Scholars, LEDA, Women computing groups. These programs are great in terms of outcomes (over 40% of the 300 person thrive scholars cohort goes to an Ivy each year), but they really only educate magnet school student (hey, that was me!) and boarding school students. Some of these organizations have been ramping up connections with provosts and admissions directors to wink wink nudge nudge the kids in. Essentially, like always, the rural and disadvantaged low income students are screwed

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Underrated method of disclosing race: including in your award section a College Board National Recognition Program Award, with the specific minority group named in the title.

I thought they scrapped the hispanic recognition award last year.

[Anonymous]

Nope, they didn’t.

[Anonymous]

I had an AA senior last year, and one who graduated 3 years ago. They had roughly the same stats (1550 SAT, lots of APs, close to 4.0 UW; extracurriculars were similar, essays seemed similar to my untrained eye). Last year's senior was clearly identifiable as AA (through some AA-related awards.) The two kids' admissions experiences were very, very different. You never, know-- it could just be random/luck of the draw. But from my perspective, there wasn't a good explanation for the difference.

Also, our HS had many more Asian Ivy admits than previous years, and the AA students didn't fare nearly as well as prior years.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I had an AA senior last year, and one who graduated 3 years ago. They had roughly the same stats (1550 SAT, lots of APs, close to 4.0 UW; extracurriculars were similar, essays seemed similar to my untrained eye). Last year's senior was clearly identifiable as AA (through some AA-related awards.) The two kids' admissions experiences were very, very different. You never, know-- it could just be random/luck of the draw. But from my perspective, there wasn't a good explanation for the difference.

Also, our HS had many more Asian Ivy admits than previous years, and the AA students didn't fare nearly as well as prior years.

Opposite at dc’s school. Black students did the same as usual. Asian Ivy acceptance fell disastrously.

[Anonymous]

The Court explicitly said an applicant can state their race in different parts of their application. Of course colleges are looking for it.

The proof will be in the accepted stats from the next few cycles.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The Court explicitly said an applicant can state their race in different parts of their application. Of course colleges are looking for it.

The proof will be in the accepted stats from the next few cycles.

If I were a top school, I’d just cut the plug on uploading common data sets and turn institutional data to a private affair. We are one or two republic administrations away from there being no race anywhere; which will be interesting…

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I had an AA senior last year, and one who graduated 3 years ago. They had roughly the same stats (1550 SAT, lots of APs, close to 4.0 UW; extracurriculars were similar, essays seemed similar to my untrained eye). Last year's senior was clearly identifiable as AA (through some AA-related awards.) The two kids' admissions experiences were very, very different. You never, know-- it could just be random/luck of the draw. But from my perspective, there wasn't a good explanation for the difference.

Also, our HS had many more Asian Ivy admits than previous years, and the AA students didn't fare nearly as well as prior years.

Was your 2024 AA senior shut out entirely from top schools or did they just not have as many top admits as the previous kid?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Underrated method of disclosing race: including in your award section a College Board National Recognition Program Award, with the specific minority group named in the title.

I thought they scrapped the hispanic recognition award last year.

No, it's still around, with even more ways to achieve it. https://bigfuture.collegeboard.org/communities-events/national-recognition-programs

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The Court explicitly said an applicant can state their race in different parts of their application. Of course colleges are looking for it.

The proof will be in the accepted stats from the next few cycles.

If I were a top school, I’d just cut the plug on uploading common data sets and turn institutional data to a private affair. We are one or two republic administrations away from there being no race anywhere; which will be interesting…

It's still publicly reported in IPEDS College Navigator.

[Anonymous]

DC is at a top lac, rising sophomore. People are already calling the ‘28 class the “white class,” because of how non-diverse the rising class is based off their class instagram and admitted student visits. Students do feel betrayed, because diversity is a massive student body interest and why people come to the school in the first place

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The Court explicitly said an applicant can state their race in different parts of their application. Of course colleges are looking for it.

The proof will be in the accepted stats from the next few cycles.

If I were a top school, I’d just cut the plug on uploading common data sets and turn institutional data to a private affair. We are one or two republic administrations away from there being no race anywhere; which will be interesting…

It's still publicly reported in IPEDS College Navigator.

+1 schools have to report the data by law.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:DC is at a top lac, rising sophomore. People are already calling the ‘28 class the “white class,” because of how non-diverse the rising class is based off their class instagram and admitted student visits. Students do feel betrayed, because diversity is a massive student body interest and why people come to the school in the first place

Is it the white class or the Asian class? The "accepted student" Instagrams for every top school we've looked at seem OVERWHELMINGLY Asian and South Asian.
It's turning off my kid--not because he has ANYTHING against Asians but because he comes from a diverse high school and really wants diversity in college.

[Anonymous]

Some URM kids who are reluctant to talk about their "culture" for these colleges. These are kids who don't want to play a game, dance for these admissions committees. "there's more to me than my race" etc. I work w these kids and it's like pulling teeth.

Also, a huge percentage still think they'll be discriminated against. I think we assume everyone knows the state of play, but a lot of kids are on their own in this process and they're not super educated on this.

I think colleges don't really care because they want diverse classes, but would prefer the have the children of educated Black professionals. Who absolutely do know the game.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Underrated method of disclosing race: including in your award section a College Board National Recognition Program Award, with the specific minority group named in the title.

Yes and it works.