JHU - 18% white in class of 2027

[Anonymous]

My white kid did not lie. Honest kid. Not even an illusion he’s anything other than Wonder bread, but I have read that stats on how many applicants lie and it’s eye-opening. Well- at least if he ever runs for office he’s not going to have dirt like Warren.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If students are lying about their racial/ethnic background or if this is because of people who don’t “look” their race (white Latinos, etc.), why aren’t we seeing similar demographics at other top schools? Harvard and Yale are closer to 40% white. Much lower % of Blacks, Hispanics and Native Americans than Hopkins. Seems strange that people would only lie to get into Hopkins!

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We would all need real data in larger quantities than publicly available to analyze this intelligently.

As a thought experiment, one might wonder if those biracial kids who believe that emphasizing one side of their heritage would help with admission, would check the box for their non-white family origin.

In my Gen X professional grad school educated circles, there are many families of mixed heritage. All high-attaining families but from grad schools that are not quite HYPSM level. One level down in school ranking if you are the kind of person that thinks that matters a lot.

It seems very reasonable to me that children from these kinds of families would both target and be accepted at schools like JHU.

And this could occur without diluting applicant or student quality.

For your assertion to hold, it would then have to be true that jhu uniquely receives and accepts more bi-racial kids who are academically strong vs other t20s

That something at jhu makes it specifically more attractive to biracial kids than its peers

Also, are you asserting t35 grad school alums ex-hypsm have a greater probability of being in an interracial relationship than t10 grad school alums ?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:When we toured JHU, the focus of their tour was all science research all the time. My white kid was not that into it and is now at an Ivy. Asians are the most science-oriented ethnic group in this country.

Hopkins undergrad in policy and economics is very, very strong. You can also do the 5-year program with SAIS (one of the best International studies program). People wrongly associate JHU only with STEM.

Humanities also strong, particularly the writing program which is a T5.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:When we toured JHU, the focus of their tour was all science research all the time. My white kid was not that into it and is now at an Ivy. Asians are the most science-oriented ethnic group in this country.

Hopkins undergrad in policy and economics is very, very strong. You can also do the 5-year program with SAIS (one of the best International studies program). People wrongly associate JHU only with STEM.

Humanities also strong, particularly the writing program which is a T5.

Yeah this isn’t about Hopkins educational quality - it’s one of the most balanced schools in the country with strong programs almost across the board

Non-stem kids also are expected to work hard

That’s why their demographics have to be questioned because no other school in its peer class is like this and urm’s with the “chops” to handle jhu usually opt for more fun schools within the t20 so something is off with these numbers

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My niece is 1/4 black and you better believe she put "AA" on her applications. She got accepted everywhere and lots of scholarship aid. Her white friends with the same credentials got none of that. She will do the same for grad school.

She's not lying. Why shouldn't she use all the tools at her disposal?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I graduated a few years ago. My name is actually Italian but a lot of people think it is Hispanic. I checked Hispanic on the application. No one ever "investigated" me.

So you lied to get a perceived advantage because you weren't confident of your own record and ability to make a strong case for your fit to major?

So how were your JHU grades?

I hope you're not my doctor or personal wealth advisor or not even real at all (under-bridge-dweller).

How do you think Obama got into Columbia as a transfer student ? Occidental had a guaranteed transfer policy for "certain" students. He had average grades while at Occidental. He would never had have been accepted to Columbia as a white student, despite being born to a white mom and raised by white grandparents.

We all play our cards.

Do you recall how Trump was able to transfer to Penn?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So many racists on this board. I wonder how many of you would publicly express these views?

The trump card of throwing around the racism accusation constantly is so worn out, and no one listens to that woke aggression anymore. It is a good, though, that you have never experienced any real racism in your life and so have to grasp at straws to try to find some.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I graduated a few years ago. My name is actually Italian but a lot of people think it is Hispanic. I checked Hispanic on the application. No one ever "investigated" me.

So you lied to get a perceived advantage because you weren't confident of your own record and ability to make a strong case for your fit to major?

So how were your JHU grades?

I hope you're not my doctor or personal wealth advisor or not even real at all (under-bridge-dweller).

But you're ok with a personal wealth adviser who did need to play the card because otherwise they wouldn't have had a shot? What's the difference? It's not a perceived advantage if it works.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:For the people in the back, not all Hispanic/Latino people have indigenous features. We come in many “shades”. Walking around campus and not seeing many “stereotypical” Latino students, does not mean there really aren’t a lot of them there.

ah

So Elon musk must be African American then

Elon Musk is not American.

But he IS African.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I graduated a few years ago. My name is actually Italian but a lot of people think it is Hispanic. I checked Hispanic on the application. No one ever "investigated" me.

So you lied to get a perceived advantage because you weren't confident of your own record and ability to make a strong case for your fit to major?

So how were your JHU grades?

I hope you're not my doctor or personal wealth advisor or not even real at all (under-bridge-dweller).

How do you think Obama got into Columbia as a transfer student ? Occidental had a guaranteed transfer policy for "certain" students. He had average grades while at Occidental. He would never had have been accepted to Columbia as a white student, despite being born to a white mom and raised by white grandparents.

We all play our cards.

How do you know it wasn't his fancy elite Hawaiian high school that attracted attention. Or his essays if there were any. Obviously he's a talented communicator.

Oh. That's right. You don't know.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If students are lying about their racial/ethnic background or if this is because of people who don’t “look” their race (white Latinos, etc.), why aren’t we seeing similar demographics at other top schools? Harvard and Yale are closer to 40% white. Much lower % of Blacks, Hispanics and Native Americans than Hopkins. Seems strange that people would only lie to get into Hopkins!

💯

We would all need real data in larger quantities than publicly available to analyze this intelligently.

As a thought experiment, one might wonder if those biracial kids who believe that emphasizing one side of their heritage would help with admission, would check the box for their non-white family origin.

In my Gen X professional grad school educated circles, there are many families of mixed heritage. All high-attaining families but from grad schools that are not quite HYPSM level. One level down in school ranking if you are the kind of person that thinks that matters a lot.

It seems very reasonable to me that children from these kinds of families would both target and be accepted at schools like JHU.

And this could occur without diluting applicant or student quality.

For your assertion to hold, it would then have to be true that jhu uniquely receives and accepts more bi-racial kids who are academically strong vs other t20s

That something at jhu makes it specifically more attractive to biracial kids than its peers

Also, are you asserting t35 grad school alums ex-hypsm have a greater probability of being in an interracial relationship than t10 grad school alums ?

I do not have the data to have a factual, mathematical argument with you but if you will go on a thought experiment with me....

Biracial marriages are known to be increasing. Educated people marry people they go to school with. So, the less integrated or slower to integrate schools would probably have fewer biracial legacy couples. If you want to review the history of race distribution at the Ivies, I'm sure you can dig it up. Some of them didn't admit women until after I was born.

Also, from my recent review of the current numbers...state flagships and non-Ivys are usually quite large in terms of student bodies compared to the Ivy Leagues.

When you think of all the various educated student diasporas - India, Pakistan, China, Korea, Nigeria, Venezuela, and Brazil come to mind - particularly for grad school - they are interested in any good US school where they can get in. Because it's often quite difficult to get in as an international grad student.

Do you not see how logical it is that there could be many more biracial couples who attended these larger schools of which there are a good many? Plus then assortative mating of grads from different schools?

Next thing is good public schools. One point of good public schools is to give people who have socioeconomic disadvantages an equal chance to master the K-12 curriculum and compete for college. Doesn't the DMV have many of the U.S.'s top districts?

OK, now on to whether there's something about the JHU applicant pool that is special.

I would posit it's partly due to geography. If you live in the DMV and are on this board, you know what your larger multistate local community is like. Educated, affluent, multicultural, yes biracial, extremely affluent minorities of all backgrounds. Huge numbers of potential applicants. Don't most kids apply to local safeties/targets? Add in the school's strengths in higher-paying, quant careers and I can see a lot of interest coming from all quarters.

I will admit some people might be lying. Shame on them.

If you want to educate yourself, you can review the history of how the Ivy Leagues treated Jewish students. I have lived in four different geographies and the one with the highest percentage of Jewish people was in Maryland. I greatly enjoyed living there and being a neighbor broadened my horizons and appreciation for their concerns. If you told me that JHU was disproportionately admitting Jewish students then I would also not be surprised and I would not be upset and complain and look for reasons why Christians were discriminated against.

As a mother of a white boy, I read now that boys are getting a bit of a bump because there's a wish not to let schools get too female. Not sure if that's really true but if so, that would be a shame.

Bottom line, society is constantly changing the rules. If the rules aren't breaking in your favor, then you just have to work harder. And picking on people and making them feel unwelcome for their personal characteristics after they've been selected by a process they did not design is rude and harmful. There is a lot of evidence that suggests people of all types do better in school when welcomed, accepted, and treated with the expectation that they will succeed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I graduated a few years ago. My name is actually Italian but a lot of people think it is Hispanic. I checked Hispanic on the application. No one ever "investigated" me.

So you lied to get a perceived advantage because you weren't confident of your own record and ability to make a strong case for your fit to major?

So how were your JHU grades?

I hope you're not my doctor or personal wealth advisor or not even real at all (under-bridge-dweller).

But you're ok with a personal wealth adviser who did need to play the card because otherwise they wouldn't have had a shot? What's the difference? It's not a perceived advantage if it works.

My point is that if you are real and actually checked a box as a lie then you would be a thin-skinned, sleazy person who only looks out for himself. I wouldn't trust you not to churn my portfolio or steal from me as an investment advisor. And I would question whether you would overrecommend procedures and bill fairly as a doctor. If you are real, I've met people like you and I don't want you handling my business. I'll take it to someone ethical and trustworthy who outcompeted you without compromising. Risk factors in even without emotions. Liars are high-risk people to be around. That's why society judges them harshly when exposed.

[Anonymous]

Believe me I no longer become a patient of URMs. I know how they got in to their "top schools." I'm not taking a chance.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I graduated a few years ago. My name is actually Italian but a lot of people think it is Hispanic. I checked Hispanic on the application. No one ever "investigated" me.

So you lied to get a perceived advantage because you weren't confident of your own record and ability to make a strong case for your fit to major?

So how were your JHU grades?

I hope you're not my doctor or personal wealth advisor or not even real at all (under-bridge-dweller).

But you're ok with a personal wealth adviser who did need to play the card because otherwise they wouldn't have had a shot? What's the difference? It's not a perceived advantage if it works.

My point is that if you are real and actually checked a box as a lie then you would be a thin-skinned, sleazy person who only looks out for himself. I wouldn't trust you not to churn my portfolio or steal from me as an investment advisor. And I would question whether you would overrecommend procedures and bill fairly as a doctor. If you are real, I've met people like you and I don't want you handling my business. I'll take it to someone ethical and trustworthy who outcompeted you without compromising. Risk factors in even without emotions. Liars are high-risk people to be around. That's why society judges them harshly when exposed.

This poster doth protest too much. Probably a recipient of extra points and financial aid due to skin color. Now everyone questions as to why she/he got into school at all. Maybe questions her kids, too.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:For the people in the back, not all Hispanic/Latino people have indigenous features. We come in many “shades”. Walking around campus and not seeing many “stereotypical” Latino students, does not mean there really aren’t a lot of them there.

ah

So Elon musk must be African American then

Elon Musk is not American.

But he IS African.

He was granted US citizenship in 2002. Do some people not consider that a “real” American? I do.