Dating across the political aisle

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Anonymous wrote:Two words: bodily autonomy. I would never date a republican.

But a democrat Pfizer exec would be fine. My body, my choice, unless it’s sponsored by Pfizer

Good luck discussing logic with American loonies. Wait until they realize no one in Europe or Asia or anywhere agrees with their extremist abortion beliefs.

In some ways Roe stunted the abortion debate in the US. We went from having fewer restrictions on abortion than just about every other country in the world to states with more restrictions than just about any country in the world. Something like France, 14 weeks but later if medically necessary could have been a position that people could have gotten behind, but Roe led to abortion supporters insisting the full limits of the constitution should be the only restriction and opponents insisting no abortion was every ok.

As soon as the people opposing reproductive rights settled on the idea that, from the moment of conception, fetal life had the same moral value as a human; there could be no compromise. With that as your starting point, you can't agree to abortion up to 14 weeks any more than you could agree to allow people to randomly slaughter classrooms full of kindergarteners.

False. The problem was when some extremists under the "my body my choice" dogma wanted full abortion rights well beyond viability, into the third trimester. Which no developed country allows for obvious reasons.

What do some extremists have to do with this discussion?

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Anonymous wrote:Two words: bodily autonomy. I would never date a republican.

But a democrat Pfizer exec would be fine. My body, my choice, unless it’s sponsored by Pfizer

Good luck discussing logic with American loonies. Wait until they realize no one in Europe or Asia or anywhere agrees with their extremist abortion beliefs.

In some ways Roe stunted the abortion debate in the US. We went from having fewer restrictions on abortion than just about every other country in the world to states with more restrictions than just about any country in the world. Something like France, 14 weeks but later if medically necessary could have been a position that people could have gotten behind, but Roe led to abortion supporters insisting the full limits of the constitution should be the only restriction and opponents insisting no abortion was every ok.

As soon as the people opposing reproductive rights settled on the idea that, from the moment of conception, fetal life had the same moral value as a human; there could be no compromise. With that as your starting point, you can't agree to abortion up to 14 weeks any more than you could agree to allow people to randomly slaughter classrooms full of kindergarteners.

False. The problem was when some extremists under the "my body my choice" dogma wanted full abortion rights well beyond viability, into the third trimester. Which no developed country allows for obvious reasons.

What do some extremists have to do with this discussion?

Go back to page one. They have taken over this thread.

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Anonymous wrote:Two words: bodily autonomy. I would never date a republican.

Since the very first response to OP.

#extremist

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Anonymous wrote:Two words: bodily autonomy. I would never date a republican.

Since the very first response to OP.

#extremist

Wanting bodily autonomy isn't extreme, in my opinion. But thanks for responding.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:A traditional republican yes…..if one exists. A Trump loving Republican hell no.

Same. I am, and always have been, very liberal. My husband calls himself libertarian, but he's a supporter of women's bodily autonomy, anti racism, and taxes for big business, so those are core values that we agree about. As far as I can tell, his libertarian beliefs include capitalism and staying out of other people's business.

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Anonymous wrote:Two words: bodily autonomy. I would never date a republican.

But a democrat Pfizer exec would be fine. My body, my choice, unless it’s sponsored by Pfizer

This makes no sense. Are you trying to make an anti-vax statement?

You can't claim to be the party of bodily autonomy while forcing people to put things into their bodies. NP

NP. These aren’t the same thing. When abortion is made illegal the source for the service goes away and women no longer have the legal right to make choices on their own behalf over their own bodies. In some states the desire is to make these restrictions absolute, with no exceptions. Women truly are denied the right to bodily autonomy.

Vaccination would be the same if it were truly compulsory: a forced injection. But vaccination policies (mostly? Always?) only require that one be vaccinated as a condition of employment or to use a service, and there are exemptions of various kinds for religious etc. reasons. Individuals still have the right to choose whether or not to be vaccinated, and have had to bear the social consequences of that choice, which is ethically reasonable. For students in public schools, “mandatory” vaccination and related laws have existed for decades, strongly suggesting that “mandatory” vaccination does not undermine freedom of consent.

LOL, starving people out to get them to vaccinate is the antithesis of freedom. Stopping citizens from free movement is a 4th amendment violation and hardly ethical.
And schools never required flu shots for students, because like covid, flu shot does not offer sterilizing immunity. You still get and transmit covid with the shot. How many times have you been boosted for Chickenpox? Probably never, because getting the virus once or one shot as a kid renders immunity. Not so with Covid.
So again, forcing people to put something in their body is taking away bodily autonomy. There is no two ways around it.

PP. I’m not even going to try to respond to this nonsense other than to point out that about a quarter of Americans haven’t received COVID vaccines, still. Apparently you felt forced but clearly you weren’t forced. Tens of millions of Americans were not forced. You may feel like your rights were abridged but they weren’t. Please take a seat.

[Anonymous]

Worked for a democrat. Dated and engaged to a republican. He ended up being abusive after the engagement and moving in together. I left when he put his fist through a wall when he was upset with the fact that he broke up with me but I wouldn't make up with him.

He was also pro-life and completely disrespected my pro-choice point of view. Could not agree to disagree.

Democrats and Republicans have significantly different values, particularly in the post-Trump era, and that difference in values makes for incompatibility in relationships.

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Anonymous wrote:Two words: bodily autonomy. I would never date a republican.

But a democrat Pfizer exec would be fine. My body, my choice, unless it’s sponsored by Pfizer

Good luck discussing logic with American loonies. Wait until they realize no one in Europe or Asia or anywhere agrees with their extremist abortion beliefs.

In some ways Roe stunted the abortion debate in the US. We went from having fewer restrictions on abortion than just about every other country in the world to states with more restrictions than just about any country in the world. Something like France, 14 weeks but later if medically necessary could have been a position that people could have gotten behind, but Roe led to abortion supporters insisting the full limits of the constitution should be the only restriction and opponents insisting no abortion was every ok.

As soon as the people opposing reproductive rights settled on the idea that, from the moment of conception, fetal life had the same moral value as a human; there could be no compromise. With that as your starting point, you can't agree to abortion up to 14 weeks any more than you could agree to allow people to randomly slaughter classrooms full of kindergarteners.

False. The problem was when some extremists under the "my body my choice" dogma wanted full abortion rights well beyond viability, into the third trimester. Which no developed country allows for obvious reasons.

“Full abortion rights” is very specific if you mean “only the mother has a say in it”. But elective abortions can be legally performed in the third trimester in places like New Zealand and Australia. I’ll let them know they’re not developed nations.

[Anonymous]

OP to answer anyone who dates any Republican is brain dead

Also unamerican to the core
There are no good republicans. Zero intelligent republicans. Hence who dates a Republican idiots
We live in the US not Magadonia fake land. Who dates someone that doesnot live in reality
Then we have morals that republicans don’t believe like feeding kids, women being equals, and many more

They are kings of domestic violence.

Republicans stand with pedos like the Duggars and youth pastor and ministers and priests
Ever wonder why Trump never sued for defamation over Epstein morons he does sue for everything else
Ah but I digress.

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Why are so many of the craziest Republicans in Congress and the Supreme Court Ivy League grads (Harvard, Yale, etc). The ones that have actually been responsible for policies that have negatively affected some of our citizens went to very prestigious institutions.

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It's not an issue for me as I'm a grown adult and can agree to disagree with someone. I don't write off humans who I don't see eye to eye with. It's just a date!

This.

DH is more conservative on most matters. We agree on abortion rights- we wouldn’t but don’t think others should have to follow our beliefs. We still disagree on a lot of things. I could date any moderate, but far left would be harder than far right for me.

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I can date Republican man even though I come from a several generations of Democrats. I can agree to disagree, but Republican men are better in bed, and have less psychological disorders that potentially can be inherited by children.

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The issue around abortion is simple. Women have the right to choose period. However, I do think that if a woman chooses to keep the child then the father should be able to opt out of paying child support if he wanted her to get an abortion instead.

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Anonymous wrote:Why are so many of the craziest Republicans in Congress and the Supreme Court Ivy League grads (Harvard, Yale, etc). The ones that have actually been responsible for policies that have negatively affected some of our citizens went to very prestigious institutions.

You are asking why the privileged elite have access to power and hate the commoners?

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I couldn't be involved with a MAGA.

Traditional conservative? Sure.

But are there really any of those left?