what happened to William and Mary??

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Anonymous wrote:USNWR now emphasizes total cost of attendance. UVA and William and Mary are both very expensive public schools for instate and out of state. That dragged down their ratings.

This change makes the ratings more valuable
To the vast majority of families who care about total cost. Not so much if you’re comfortably full pay.

UVA’s ranking did not drop in the new rankings, and while W&M’s did it had been slowly dropping for the last several years.

In other words, you’re wrong.

UVA dropped two spots from last year. W&M's drop this year was comparable to its peer Wake Forest's ranking drop.

Dropping 2 spots is just statistical noise. Not a real drop.

UVA actually went up by one spot; however, I agree with you.

None of the changes are real drops or increases for any of the schools. If you change the metrics on which you are evaluating the schools - I.e. the inputs - the results are going to change. Essentially, it’s a different survey. I looked it over pretty closely in terms of the metrics and it really no longer focuses on things that are a particular priority as I help my kids evaluate schools. Not that being accessible and having students with Pell grants isn’t good - it is - it’s just not how my kids are picking schools. I’m concerned about things like class size and access to advising. I don’t know why some random publication is given so much credence in determining school reputation.

Do you really think Ohio State is “better” than W&M whatever “better” even means? I actually don’t think one is even necessarily “better”? It’s really a question of what the student is seeking and where they will most likely be happy and successful. For my DC W&M is going to be a much better fit than Ohio State. I’m not letting USNWR do our thinking for us.

William and Mary is unequivocally better than the likes of Ohio State. US News is wacky. It should go without saying that it may or may not be a better fit for an individual student.

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Anonymous wrote:Nothing. Still a 2nd tier state school with mediocre CS/Engineering.

I do agree that unless something drastic changes it’s not for CS/Engineering kids. That’s fine and W&M can focus on other areas, and be quirky and smart, but the lack of CS/Engineering department does keep it from collaboration opportunities and certain kids just can’t consider it.

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former heads of FBI, CIA, sec of Defense

Well that indicates a certain something, and not something many of us like. About the AC comment. ALL students in Virginia need AC. If there are university facilities without AC, in Virginia, that is shocking and shameful.

Every university in VA has dorms with no AC except perhaps the newer schools, like CNU.

My kid is at VTech and has air conditioning.

Met a VT student this fall who was extremely congested, complaining of mold in her dorm, and saying she and all of her roommates were sick from the mold. The lack of AC in colleges in Virginia is an issue.

which dorm?

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Anonymous wrote:Admitted students day in 2022–parents were asking “me” questions in front of hundreds of people and would not shut up. Why can’t students have cars? Child has a gluten free diet etc etc. child needs AC. it went on and on. The parents were insufferable. DD said on the way home she was sticking with another admit.

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We experienced the same thing! “Insufferable” is exactly the right word. So many precious snowflakes there, and most seemed like the typical annoying theater kids. DS immediately took it off his list.

? my DC is a theater kid and is pretty laid back. Never knew theater kids had this kind of stereotype.

Sports parents are triggered by self-confident weaklings.

I'm the PPP and don't have athletic kids. I also don't have theater kids, thankfully.

Thankfully??? What's wrong with having theater kids?

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Anonymous wrote:Nothing. Still a 2nd tier state school with mediocre CS/Engineering.

I do agree that unless something drastic changes it’s not for CS/Engineering kids. That’s fine and W&M can focus on other areas, and be quirky and smart, but the lack of CS/Engineering department does keep it from collaboration opportunities and certain kids just can’t consider it.

It has a large CS department??

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Anonymous wrote:Nothing. Still a 2nd tier state school with mediocre CS/Engineering.

I do agree that unless something drastic changes it’s not for CS/Engineering kids. That’s fine and W&M can focus on other areas, and be quirky and smart, but the lack of CS/Engineering department does keep it from collaboration opportunities and certain kids just can’t consider it.

https://www.wm.edu/about/administration/provost/action-areas/new-programs/newschool/

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former heads of FBI, CIA, sec of Defense

Well that indicates a certain something, and not something many of us like. About the AC comment. ALL students in Virginia need AC. If there are university facilities without AC, in Virginia, that is shocking and shameful.

Every university in VA has dorms with no AC except perhaps the newer schools, like CNU.

My kid is at VTech and has air conditioning.

Met a VT student this fall who was extremely congested, complaining of mold in her dorm, and saying she and all of her roommates were sick from the mold. The lack of AC in colleges in Virginia is an issue.

State could easily fix that if they funded these schools more so they didn't have to pick between adding AC or funding education. P3 route seems to be the only good option rn to updating housing on limited funds.

These universities are for privileged white people. Why should the state pay one damn cent to help them?!!?

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former heads of FBI, CIA, sec of Defense

Well that indicates a certain something, and not something many of us like. About the AC comment. ALL students in Virginia need AC. If there are university facilities without AC, in Virginia, that is shocking and shameful.

Every university in VA has dorms with no AC except perhaps the newer schools, like CNU.

My kid is at VTech and has air conditioning.

Met a VT student this fall who was extremely congested, complaining of mold in her dorm, and saying she and all of her roommates were sick from the mold. The lack of AC in colleges in Virginia is an issue.

State could easily fix that if they funded these schools more so they didn't have to pick between adding AC or funding education. P3 route seems to be the only good option rn to updating housing on limited funds.

These universities are for privileged white people. Why should the state pay one damn cent to help them?!!?

Because it’s almost certainly white people paying taxes that funds most of the state?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:USNWR now emphasizes total cost of attendance. UVA and William and Mary are both very expensive public schools for instate and out of state. That dragged down their ratings.

This change makes the ratings more valuable
To the vast majority of families who care about total cost. Not so much if you’re comfortably full pay.

UVA’s ranking did not drop in the new rankings, and while W&M’s did it had been slowly dropping for the last several years.

In other words, you’re wrong.

UVA dropped two spots from last year. W&M's drop this year was comparable to its peer Wake Forest's ranking drop.

Dropping 2 spots is just statistical noise. Not a real drop.

UVA actually went up by one spot; however, I agree with you.

None of the changes are real drops or increases for any of the schools. If you change the metrics on which you are evaluating the schools - I.e. the inputs - the results are going to change. Essentially, it’s a different survey. I looked it over pretty closely in terms of the metrics and it really no longer focuses on things that are a particular priority as I help my kids evaluate schools. Not that being accessible and having students with Pell grants isn’t good - it is - it’s just not how my kids are picking schools. I’m concerned about things like class size and access to advising. I don’t know why some random publication is given so much credence in determining school reputation.

Do you really think Ohio State is “better” than W&M whatever “better” even means? I actually don’t think one is even necessarily “better”? It’s really a question of what the student is seeking and where they will most likely be happy and successful. For my DC W&M is going to be a much better fit than Ohio State. I’m not letting USNWR do our thinking for us.

William and Mary is unequivocally better than the likes of Ohio State. US News is wacky. It should go without saying that it may or may not be a better fit for an individual student.

Unequivocally better? Hardly. Ohio State has more majors, educates more kids, and is stronger in the sciences.

I know you want people to think of W&M as a public version of Williams or Amherst, but it’s not, so let’s not get carried away with the attacks on other schools.

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Anonymous wrote:USNWR now emphasizes total cost of attendance. UVA and William and Mary are both very expensive public schools for instate and out of state. That dragged down their ratings.

This change makes the ratings more valuable
To the vast majority of families who care about total cost. Not so much if you’re comfortably full pay.

UVA’s ranking did not drop in the new rankings, and while W&M’s did it had been slowly dropping for the last several years.

In other words, you’re wrong.

UVA dropped two spots from last year. W&M's drop this year was comparable to its peer Wake Forest's ranking drop.

Dropping 2 spots is just statistical noise. Not a real drop.

UVA actually went up by one spot; however, I agree with you.

None of the changes are real drops or increases for any of the schools. If you change the metrics on which you are evaluating the schools - I.e. the inputs - the results are going to change. Essentially, it’s a different survey. I looked it over pretty closely in terms of the metrics and it really no longer focuses on things that are a particular priority as I help my kids evaluate schools. Not that being accessible and having students with Pell grants isn’t good - it is - it’s just not how my kids are picking schools. I’m concerned about things like class size and access to advising. I don’t know why some random publication is given so much credence in determining school reputation.

Do you really think Ohio State is “better” than W&M whatever “better” even means? I actually don’t think one is even necessarily “better”? It’s really a question of what the student is seeking and where they will most likely be happy and successful. For my DC W&M is going to be a much better fit than Ohio State. I’m not letting USNWR do our thinking for us.

William and Mary is unequivocally better than the likes of Ohio State. US News is wacky. It should go without saying that it may or may not be a better fit for an individual student.

Unequivocally better? Hardly. Ohio State has more majors, educates more kids, and is stronger in the sciences.

I know you want people to think of W&M as a public version of Williams or Amherst, but it’s not, so let’s not get carried away with the attacks on other schools.

Exactly this ^^. I have no dog in this fight (no kids at either WM or Ohio State), but this notion that one school is "unequivocally better" than the other is juvenile and false.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:USNWR now emphasizes total cost of attendance. UVA and William and Mary are both very expensive public schools for instate and out of state. That dragged down their ratings.

This change makes the ratings more valuable
To the vast majority of families who care about total cost. Not so much if you’re comfortably full pay.

UVA’s ranking did not drop in the new rankings, and while W&M’s did it had been slowly dropping for the last several years.

In other words, you’re wrong.

UVA dropped two spots from last year. W&M's drop this year was comparable to its peer Wake Forest's ranking drop.

Dropping 2 spots is just statistical noise. Not a real drop.

UVA actually went up by one spot; however, I agree with you.

None of the changes are real drops or increases for any of the schools. If you change the metrics on which you are evaluating the schools - I.e. the inputs - the results are going to change. Essentially, it’s a different survey. I looked it over pretty closely in terms of the metrics and it really no longer focuses on things that are a particular priority as I help my kids evaluate schools. Not that being accessible and having students with Pell grants isn’t good - it is - it’s just not how my kids are picking schools. I’m concerned about things like class size and access to advising. I don’t know why some random publication is given so much credence in determining school reputation.

Do you really think Ohio State is “better” than W&M whatever “better” even means? I actually don’t think one is even necessarily “better”? It’s really a question of what the student is seeking and where they will most likely be happy and successful. For my DC W&M is going to be a much better fit than Ohio State. I’m not letting USNWR do our thinking for us.

William and Mary is unequivocally better than the likes of Ohio State. US News is wacky. It should go without saying that it may or may not be a better fit for an individual student.

Unequivocally better? Hardly. Ohio State has more majors, educates more kids, and is stronger in the sciences.

I know you want people to think of W&M as a public version of Williams or Amherst, but it’s not, so let’s not get carried away with the attacks on other schools.

Having more majors and educating more students makes Ohio State bigger, not better. There is room for both.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:USNWR now emphasizes total cost of attendance. UVA and William and Mary are both very expensive public schools for instate and out of state. That dragged down their ratings.

This change makes the ratings more valuable
To the vast majority of families who care about total cost. Not so much if you’re comfortably full pay.

UVA’s ranking did not drop in the new rankings, and while W&M’s did it had been slowly dropping for the last several years.

In other words, you’re wrong.

UVA dropped two spots from last year. W&M's drop this year was comparable to its peer Wake Forest's ranking drop.

Dropping 2 spots is just statistical noise. Not a real drop.

UVA actually went up by one spot; however, I agree with you.

None of the changes are real drops or increases for any of the schools. If you change the metrics on which you are evaluating the schools - I.e. the inputs - the results are going to change. Essentially, it’s a different survey. I looked it over pretty closely in terms of the metrics and it really no longer focuses on things that are a particular priority as I help my kids evaluate schools. Not that being accessible and having students with Pell grants isn’t good - it is - it’s just not how my kids are picking schools. I’m concerned about things like class size and access to advising. I don’t know why some random publication is given so much credence in determining school reputation.

Do you really think Ohio State is “better” than W&M whatever “better” even means? I actually don’t think one is even necessarily “better”? It’s really a question of what the student is seeking and where they will most likely be happy and successful. For my DC W&M is going to be a much better fit than Ohio State. I’m not letting USNWR do our thinking for us.

William and Mary is unequivocally better than the likes of Ohio State. US News is wacky. It should go without saying that it may or may not be a better fit for an individual student.

Unequivocally better? Hardly. Ohio State has more majors, educates more kids, and is stronger in the sciences.

I know you want people to think of W&M as a public version of Williams or Amherst, but it’s not, so let’s not get carried away with the attacks on other schools.

Ohio State is not stronger in undergraduate science education.

[Anonymous]

W&M is more akin to Delaware than Ohio State. Both lovely smaller state schools with above average academics - I wouldn’t hesitate to send my kid to either W&M or UD if there was interest.. peer schools imo

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Anonymous wrote:W&M is more akin to Delaware than Ohio State. Both lovely smaller state schools with above average academics - I wouldn’t hesitate to send my kid to either W&M or UD if there was interest.. peer schools imo

LOL. Delaware undergrad enrollment is close to 3x larger than at W&M. In fact, the percentage undergrad size difference between W&M and Delaware is about the same as between Delaware and Ohio State.

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W&M is a top tier school in academics but not athletics. Think Ivy League type sports where you have true student athletes.

Major difference is grading structure. Unlike schools like Yale, Stanford, Harvard, etc., students need to earn their grades. A’s are not given to everyone so the average GPA at graduation regardless of effort is not 3.8+.

W&M students need to earn their A’s through stellar academic performance.