what happened to William and Mary??

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We love the W&M campus, and Colonial Williamsurg next door. But come Admitted Student's Day last year, when they gave us a chance to look at the dorms, eat the food, etc... all of a sudden it didn't feel like such a good deal, OP. Quality is a bit lacking, compared to some other campuses in the larger DC area. UMD has better food (and better dorms, at least for Honors, which DC was invited to), for cheaper. GW has the best dorms and the best food in the area, and while the sticker price is more expensive, merit aid brought it down to the same prices as W&M. Georgetown is a cut above all of these in reputation, so maybe some people stuck in dodgy dorms there are OK with that. All this to say that W&M starts looking a lot less interesting when you get down to nitty-gritty comparisons.

The school is undergoing a massive renovation project with new dorms and buildings coming online every year for the next 3 years. They also hired a new food vendor last summer.

In terms of rankings, the USNWR criteria was altered pretty drastically this past year. It places a huge emphasis on Pell grant recipients, first gen students, etc. It hurt a number of smaller schools or schools without large endowments. It will be interesting to see how this helps/hurts the value placed on USNWR moving forward. It is definitely interesting to see how rankings were altered when they were moved away from academics and more towards other factors. It certainly helped Tech.

PP you replied to. That's good to know about the reno - I have younger kids who might be interested!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Admitted students day in 2022–parents were asking “me” questions in front of hundreds of people and would not shut up. Why can’t students have cars? Child has a gluten free diet etc etc. child needs AC. it went on and on. The parents were insufferable. DD said on the way home she was sticking with another admit.

The same at UVA. One parent asked if they could bring a 'hot plate' to the dorms. WTF?? How is that a valid question to be wasting everyone's time asking? If they say 'no', will they not apply? And- let's get accepted and commit before we discuss the nitty gritty.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Admitted students day in 2022–parents were asking “me” questions in front of hundreds of people and would not shut up. Why can’t students have cars? Child has a gluten free diet etc etc. child needs AC. it went on and on. The parents were insufferable. DD said on the way home she was sticking with another admit.

+1
We experienced the same thing! “Insufferable” is exactly the right word. So many precious snowflakes there, and most seemed like the typical annoying theater kids. DS immediately took it off his list.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Admitted students day in 2022–parents were asking “me” questions in front of hundreds of people and would not shut up. Why can’t students have cars? Child has a gluten free diet etc etc. child needs AC. it went on and on. The parents were insufferable. DD said on the way home she was sticking with another admit.

+1
We experienced the same thing! “Insufferable” is exactly the right word. So many precious snowflakes there, and most seemed like the typical annoying theater kids. DS immediately took it off his list.

That's funny. I had the opposite experience. The UVA crowd was awful. So many strivers and annoying hyper snowflake parents--pushy and asking ridiculous questions like the 'hot plate' pp. Also- the brown-nosing of the panel. OMG.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Admitted students day in 2022–parents were asking “me” questions in front of hundreds of people and would not shut up. Why can’t students have cars? Child has a gluten free diet etc etc. child needs AC. it went on and on. The parents were insufferable. DD said on the way home she was sticking with another admit.

+1
We experienced the same thing! “Insufferable” is exactly the right word. So many precious snowflakes there, and most seemed like the typical annoying theater kids. DS immediately took it off his list.

There were a lot of boys with athletic sweatshirts when my son toured. Many that looked like him. Pretty chill.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Admitted students day in 2022–parents were asking “me” questions in front of hundreds of people and would not shut up. Why can’t students have cars? Child has a gluten free diet etc etc. child needs AC. it went on and on. The parents were insufferable. DD said on the way home she was sticking with another admit.

The same at UVA. One parent asked if they could bring a 'hot plate' to the dorms. WTF?? How is that a valid question to be wasting everyone's time asking? If they say 'no', will they not apply? And- let's get accepted and commit before we discuss the nitty gritty.

Oh lord, a hot plate! You made my day with that,

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We love the W&M campus, and Colonial Williamsurg next door. But come Admitted Student's Day last year, when they gave us a chance to look at the dorms, eat the food, etc... all of a sudden it didn't feel like such a good deal, OP. Quality is a bit lacking, compared to some other campuses in the larger DC area. UMD has better food (and better dorms, at least for Honors, which DC was invited to), for cheaper. GW has the best dorms and the best food in the area, and while the sticker price is more expensive, merit aid brought it down to the same prices as W&M. Georgetown is a cut above all of these in reputation, so maybe some people stuck in dodgy dorms there are OK with that. All this to say that W&M starts looking a lot less interesting when you get down to nitty-gritty comparisons.

The school is undergoing a massive renovation project with new dorms and buildings coming online every year for the next 3 years. They also hired a new food vendor last summer.

In terms of rankings, the USNWR criteria was altered pretty drastically this past year. It places a huge emphasis on Pell grant recipients, first gen students, etc. It hurt a number of smaller schools or schools without large endowments. It will be interesting to see how this helps/hurts the value placed on USNWR moving forward. It is definitely interesting to see how rankings were altered when they were moved away from academics and more towards other factors. It certainly helped Tech.

This is absolutely correct with regard to the change in rankings. The quality of academics has not changed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:well you can minimize it to change in calculation but 100% will have an impact in applicant profile

I don't think that's true at all. People on these forms put wayy too much emphasis on rankings

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Admitted students day in 2022–parents were asking “me” questions in front of hundreds of people and would not shut up. Why can’t students have cars? Child has a gluten free diet etc etc. child needs AC. it went on and on. The parents were insufferable. DD said on the way home she was sticking with another admit.

+1
We experienced the same thing! “Insufferable” is exactly the right word. So many precious snowflakes there, and most seemed like the typical annoying theater kids. DS immediately took it off his list.

There were a lot of boys with athletic sweatshirts when my son toured. Many that looked like him. Pretty chill.

+1 When my kind of sporty, kind of nerdy DS toured, there seemed to be a bunch of boys like him around campus. Definitely not a lot of lax bros which he is absolutely cool with.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We love the W&M campus, and Colonial Williamsurg next door. But come Admitted Student's Day last year, when they gave us a chance to look at the dorms, eat the food, etc... all of a sudden it didn't feel like such a good deal, OP. Quality is a bit lacking, compared to some other campuses in the larger DC area. UMD has better food (and better dorms, at least for Honors, which DC was invited to), for cheaper. GW has the best dorms and the best food in the area, and while the sticker price is more expensive, merit aid brought it down to the same prices as W&M. Georgetown is a cut above all of these in reputation, so maybe some people stuck in dodgy dorms there are OK with that. All this to say that W&M starts looking a lot less interesting when you get down to nitty-gritty comparisons.

The school is undergoing a massive renovation project with new dorms and buildings coming online every year for the next 3 years. They also hired a new food vendor last summer.

In terms of rankings, the USNWR criteria was altered pretty drastically this past year. It places a huge emphasis on Pell grant recipients, first gen students, etc. It hurt a number of smaller schools or schools without large endowments. It will be interesting to see how this helps/hurts the value placed on USNWR moving forward. It is definitely interesting to see how rankings were altered when they were moved away from academics and more towards other factors. It certainly helped Tech.

PP you replied to. That's good to know about the reno - I have younger kids who might be interested!

https://www.wm.edu/sites/housing-dining-plan/

[Anonymous]

Nothing’s happened to William & Mary. Calm down.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:USNWR now emphasizes total cost of attendance. UVA and William and Mary are both very expensive public schools for instate and out of state. That dragged down their ratings.

This change makes the ratings more valuable
To the vast majority of families who care about total cost. Not so much if you’re comfortably full pay.

UVA’s ranking did not drop in the new rankings, and while W&M’s did it had been slowly dropping for the last several years.

In other words, you’re wrong.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:USNWR now emphasizes total cost of attendance. UVA and William and Mary are both very expensive public schools for instate and out of state. That dragged down their ratings.

This change makes the ratings more valuable
To the vast majority of families who care about total cost. Not so much if you’re comfortably full pay.

UVA’s ranking did not drop in the new rankings, and while W&M’s did it had been slowly dropping for the last several years.

In other words, you’re wrong.

UVA dropped two spots from last year. W&M's drop this year was comparable to its peer Wake Forest's ranking drop.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:starting to look at schools with my sophomore, and absolutely shocked that W&M is ranked behind Rutgers, Ohio State and UMD - 3 schools I just assumed it’s comfortably better than. I know I know rankings are irrelevant - but I can assure you they drive application tiering and strategies at my DCs top private

Then chase the woke schools. W&M most likely isn’t the place for your child if your into USNWR rankings.

Only morons and a$$hats use “woke.”

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Admitted students day in 2022–parents were asking “me” questions in front of hundreds of people and would not shut up. Why can’t students have cars? Child has a gluten free diet etc etc. child needs AC. it went on and on. The parents were insufferable. DD said on the way home she was sticking with another admit.

+1
We experienced the same thing! “Insufferable” is exactly the right word. So many precious snowflakes there, and most seemed like the typical annoying theater kids. DS immediately took it off his list.

? my DC is a theater kid and is pretty laid back. Never knew theater kids had this kind of stereotype.