what happened to William and Mary??

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:W&M is looked upon very highly by grad schools
To answer OPs question - nothing happened to W&M - it is a wonderful school in so many respects. Top notch academics taught by full time profs not TAs, the sweet spot for many in terms of undergrad enrollment size, stunning campus, low key student body that is serious about their studies but love a good time and show school spirit, shops and restaurants surround campus.
Love it

Regarding the bolded, are you absolutely sure about that?

This handbook contains helpful information to prepare grad students to step into the classroom as an instructor for the first time, or for the hundredth time. It offers practical advice about teaching relevant for TAs and TFs.

These sessions also help prepare students to be successful teachers and mentors in the classroom with discipline-specific advice about classroom management and pedagogy.

Participate in the Graduate Teaching Project
The Graduate Teaching Project (GTP) is offered as a zero credit, free course for grad students in Arts & Sciences. It is offered once each year and is particularly helpful for students preparing to teach their own course or looking to improve their teaching effectiveness.

https://www.wm.edu/as/graduate/studentresources/resources-teaching/
https://guides.libraries.wm.edu/teaching/getting-ready/what-to-expect
https://guides.libraries.wm.edu/teaching/getting-ready/being-in-front
https://guides.libraries.wm.edu/teaching/whats-next

You didn’t read your links. Or you are purposefully misrepresenting what they say. These are classes for MAs in the school of education. That yes, teach you how to teach. But not how to teach your own class at WM. How to get your MA, go out in the world, and with an MA in education, probably not teach college. You do a semester of observation and attending lectures. And then a semester helping a professor. STEM kids lead labs, history kids lead the one a week small discussions in World History, because it’s one of the few classes that tops 100 kids. Econ profes have assistants who grade and do admin chores because so many kids take intro econ. Modern Language assistants live in the modern language houses, do programming for the houses, attend intro classes as conversation partners, etc. Some areas kids just grade papers. I’m sure in some areas, they do a few lectures during the semester that they prepare with the professor and the professor observes the class. The point is more to the Education MA students experience (WM calls them “internships”) and not to fund grad school or be the actual instructor. The MA students are not the professors.

100% of the classes at WM are taught by faculty. Even those classes that teach MA students how to teach.

https://www.wm.edu/admission/undergraduateadmission/facts-figures/recognized-and-respected/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:W&M is a top tier school in academics but not athletics. Think Ivy League type sports where you have true student athletes.

Major difference is grading structure. Unlike schools like Yale, Stanford, Harvard, etc., students need to earn their grades. A’s are not given to everyone so the average GPA at graduation regardless of effort is not 3.8+.

W&M students need to earn their A’s through stellar academic performance.

Why would someone choose William and Mary over the automatic A schools if an A is going to be harder to come by? Why risk a lower GPA and endanger grad school admission?

Because not every really great student gets into Ivies (as discussed ALL over this board). Ivies give out A's more easily than a lot of other schools, but a lot of qualified kids don't get in so they go to other good schools.

DP. Citation for this?

Here is one. These are even higher now.

https://ripplematch.com/insights/the-top-15-universities-with-the-highest-average-gpas-4f4b544d/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:W&M is a top tier school in academics but not athletics. Think Ivy League type sports where you have true student athletes.

Major difference is grading structure. Unlike schools like Yale, Stanford, Harvard, etc., students need to earn their grades. A’s are not given to everyone so the average GPA at graduation regardless of effort is not 3.8+.

W&M students need to earn their A’s through stellar academic performance.

Why would someone choose William and Mary over the automatic A schools if an A is going to be harder to come by? Why risk a lower GPA and endanger grad school admission?

The reality is W&M now has a very high average undergraduate GPA of about 3.5. That is definitely higher than most universities. But the PP is correct about Ivy grading, where the average at Brown is nearing 3.8 and Yale is at 3.7.

DP. It would be great if you could back up your wacky claims with actual citations. Thanks.

Before I do, tell me what is wacky.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:USNWR now emphasizes total cost of attendance. UVA and William and Mary are both very expensive public schools for instate and out of state. That dragged down their ratings.

This change makes the ratings more valuable
To the vast majority of families who care about total cost. Not so much if you’re comfortably full pay.

Those in the DCum bubble will never understand the above.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:USNWR now emphasizes total cost of attendance. UVA and William and Mary are both very expensive public schools for instate and out of state. That dragged down their ratings.

This change makes the ratings more valuable
To the vast majority of families who care about total cost. Not so much if you’re comfortably full pay.

Those in the DCum bubble will never understand the above.

PP- the reason my kid who loved W & M did not attend was solely cost. There is OOS merit aid given and it was so much more expensive than UMD honors.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:starting to look at schools with my sophomore, and absolutely shocked that W&M is ranked behind Rutgers, Ohio State and UMD - 3 schools I just assumed it’s comfortably better than. I know I know rankings are irrelevant - but I can assure you they drive application tiering and strategies at my DCs top private

Look at rankings for undergraduate focus universities. Rutgers, OSU and Maryland are major research universities.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Usn&wr rankings changed considerably this year. No longer remotely useful for academic information- they’re all about social mobility.

That would seem to be a better metric to me. Outcomes-based…

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Usn&wr rankings changed considerably this year. No longer remotely useful for academic information- they’re all about social mobility.

That would seem to be a better metric to me. Outcomes-based…

The rankings are about a narrow band of attendees. If you aren’t in that band, the rankings are useless to you as an individual and they don’t focus on academic and instruction factors that used to be involved in rankings.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Usn&wr rankings changed considerably this year. No longer remotely useful for academic information- they’re all about social mobility.

That would seem to be a better metric to me. Outcomes-based…

Yes, but too easily affected by local population--if your area has a significant number of poor kids getting any college degree will result in social mobility to the middle class. They don't measure changes within the middle class. So they now have two metrics assessing how poor the student body is--which I don't really think makes sense as a rating for colleges--one for social mobility based on percentages (e.g., what percentage of Pell grant recipients end up in the middle class) makes sense.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:USNWR now emphasizes total cost of attendance. UVA and William and Mary are both very expensive public schools for instate and out of state. That dragged down their ratings.

This change makes the ratings more valuable
To the vast majority of families who care about total cost. Not so much if you’re comfortably full pay.

Those in the DCum bubble will never understand the above.

Net price by income shows they are much lower than full pay price for lower to middle income families, particularly William and Mary. I don't think USNWR factors this.

https://tamingthehighcostofcollege.com/net-price-of-virginia-colleges-by-income/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Usn&wr rankings changed considerably this year. No longer remotely useful for academic information- they’re all about social mobility.

That would seem to be a better metric to me. Outcomes-based…

It isn't really outcomes based. The social mobility calculations give a significant boost to schools that have a high percentage of Pell Grant recipients. There is a multiplier in the USNWR calculations. W&M has very good graduation rates for Pell recipients, it just doesn't have a high percentage of Pell Grant recipients compared to schools like those in the University of California system.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:W&M is looked upon very highly by grad schools
To answer OPs question - nothing happened to W&M - it is a wonderful school in so many respects. Top notch academics taught by full time profs not TAs, the sweet spot for many in terms of undergrad enrollment size, stunning campus, low key student body that is serious about their studies but love a good time and show school spirit, shops and restaurants surround campus.
Love it

Regarding the bolded, are you absolutely sure about that?

This handbook contains helpful information to prepare grad students to step into the classroom as an instructor for the first time, or for the hundredth time. It offers practical advice about teaching relevant for TAs and TFs.

These sessions also help prepare students to be successful teachers and mentors in the classroom with discipline-specific advice about classroom management and pedagogy.

Participate in the Graduate Teaching Project
The Graduate Teaching Project (GTP) is offered as a zero credit, free course for grad students in Arts & Sciences. It is offered once each year and is particularly helpful for students preparing to teach their own course or looking to improve their teaching effectiveness.

https://www.wm.edu/as/graduate/studentresources/resources-teaching/
https://guides.libraries.wm.edu/teaching/getting-ready/what-to-expect
https://guides.libraries.wm.edu/teaching/getting-ready/being-in-front
https://guides.libraries.wm.edu/teaching/whats-next

You didn’t read your links. Or you are purposefully misrepresenting what they say. These are classes for MAs in the school of education. That yes, teach you how to teach. But not how to teach your own class at WM. How to get your MA, go out in the world, and with an MA in education, probably not teach college. You do a semester of observation and attending lectures. And then a semester helping a professor. STEM kids lead labs, history kids lead the one a week small discussions in World History, because it’s one of the few classes that tops 100 kids. Econ profes have assistants who grade and do admin chores because so many kids take intro econ. Modern Language assistants live in the modern language houses, do programming for the houses, attend intro classes as conversation partners, etc. Some areas kids just grade papers. I’m sure in some areas, they do a few lectures during the semester that they prepare with the professor and the professor observes the class. The point is more to the Education MA students experience (WM calls them “internships”) and not to fund grad school or be the actual instructor. The MA students are not the professors.

100% of the classes at WM are taught by faculty. Even those classes that teach MA students how to teach.

https://www.wm.edu/admission/undergraduateadmission/facts-figures/recognized-and-respected/

What on earth are you talking about? Of course I read the links. Each one describes preparation for TAs - TEACHING ASSISTANTS - before they begin. This has nothing to do with the Education school, or preparing to teach as a career. It is solely about training to be a TA.

Talk about misrepresenting the facts...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:W&M is looked upon very highly by grad schools
To answer OPs question - nothing happened to W&M - it is a wonderful school in so many respects. Top notch academics taught by full time profs not TAs, the sweet spot for many in terms of undergrad enrollment size, stunning campus, low key student body that is serious about their studies but love a good time and show school spirit, shops and restaurants surround campus.
Love it

Regarding the bolded, are you absolutely sure about that?

This handbook contains helpful information to prepare grad students to step into the classroom as an instructor for the first time, or for the hundredth time. It offers practical advice about teaching relevant for TAs and TFs.

These sessions also help prepare students to be successful teachers and mentors in the classroom with discipline-specific advice about classroom management and pedagogy.

Participate in the Graduate Teaching Project
The Graduate Teaching Project (GTP) is offered as a zero credit, free course for grad students in Arts & Sciences. It is offered once each year and is particularly helpful for students preparing to teach their own course or looking to improve their teaching effectiveness.

https://www.wm.edu/as/graduate/studentresources/resources-teaching/
https://guides.libraries.wm.edu/teaching/getting-ready/what-to-expect
https://guides.libraries.wm.edu/teaching/getting-ready/being-in-front
https://guides.libraries.wm.edu/teaching/whats-next

You didn’t read your links. Or you are purposefully misrepresenting what they say. These are classes for MAs in the school of education. That yes, teach you how to teach. But not how to teach your own class at WM. How to get your MA, go out in the world, and with an MA in education, probably not teach college. You do a semester of observation and attending lectures. And then a semester helping a professor. STEM kids lead labs, history kids lead the one a week small discussions in World History, because it’s one of the few classes that tops 100 kids. Econ profes have assistants who grade and do admin chores because so many kids take intro econ. Modern Language assistants live in the modern language houses, do programming for the houses, attend intro classes as conversation partners, etc. Some areas kids just grade papers. I’m sure in some areas, they do a few lectures during the semester that they prepare with the professor and the professor observes the class. The point is more to the Education MA students experience (WM calls them “internships”) and not to fund grad school or be the actual instructor. The MA students are not the professors.

100% of the classes at WM are taught by faculty. Even those classes that teach MA students how to teach.

https://www.wm.edu/admission/undergraduateadmission/facts-figures/recognized-and-respected/

What on earth are you talking about? Of course I read the links. Each one describes preparation for TAs - TEACHING ASSISTANTS - before they begin. This has nothing to do with the Education school, or preparing to teach as a career. It is solely about training to be a TA.

Talk about misrepresenting the facts...

Which part of 100% do you find confusing?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:W&M is looked upon very highly by grad schools
To answer OPs question - nothing happened to W&M - it is a wonderful school in so many respects. Top notch academics taught by full time profs not TAs, the sweet spot for many in terms of undergrad enrollment size, stunning campus, low key student body that is serious about their studies but love a good time and show school spirit, shops and restaurants surround campus.
Love it

Regarding the bolded, are you absolutely sure about that?

This handbook contains helpful information to prepare grad students to step into the classroom as an instructor for the first time, or for the hundredth time. It offers practical advice about teaching relevant for TAs and TFs.

These sessions also help prepare students to be successful teachers and mentors in the classroom with discipline-specific advice about classroom management and pedagogy.

Participate in the Graduate Teaching Project
The Graduate Teaching Project (GTP) is offered as a zero credit, free course for grad students in Arts & Sciences. It is offered once each year and is particularly helpful for students preparing to teach their own course or looking to improve their teaching effectiveness.

https://www.wm.edu/as/graduate/studentresources/resources-teaching/
https://guides.libraries.wm.edu/teaching/getting-ready/what-to-expect
https://guides.libraries.wm.edu/teaching/getting-ready/being-in-front
https://guides.libraries.wm.edu/teaching/whats-next

You didn’t read your links. Or you are purposefully misrepresenting what they say. These are classes for MAs in the school of education. That yes, teach you how to teach. But not how to teach your own class at WM. How to get your MA, go out in the world, and with an MA in education, probably not teach college. You do a semester of observation and attending lectures. And then a semester helping a professor. STEM kids lead labs, history kids lead the one a week small discussions in World History, because it’s one of the few classes that tops 100 kids. Econ profes have assistants who grade and do admin chores because so many kids take intro econ. Modern Language assistants live in the modern language houses, do programming for the houses, attend intro classes as conversation partners, etc. Some areas kids just grade papers. I’m sure in some areas, they do a few lectures during the semester that they prepare with the professor and the professor observes the class. The point is more to the Education MA students experience (WM calls them “internships”) and not to fund grad school or be the actual instructor. The MA students are not the professors.

100% of the classes at WM are taught by faculty. Even those classes that teach MA students how to teach.

https://www.wm.edu/admission/undergraduateadmission/facts-figures/recognized-and-respected/

What on earth are you talking about? Of course I read the links. Each one describes preparation for TAs - TEACHING ASSISTANTS - before they begin. This has nothing to do with the Education school, or preparing to teach as a career. It is solely about training to be a TA.

Talk about misrepresenting the facts...

Which part of 100% do you find confusing?

Are you the PPP who insisted I must not understand what I linked? Good grief. Just admit that W&M does indeed utilize TAs.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:W&M is looked upon very highly by grad schools
To answer OPs question - nothing happened to W&M - it is a wonderful school in so many respects. Top notch academics taught by full time profs not TAs, the sweet spot for many in terms of undergrad enrollment size, stunning campus, low key student body that is serious about their studies but love a good time and show school spirit, shops and restaurants surround campus.
Love it

Regarding the bolded, are you absolutely sure about that?

This handbook contains helpful information to prepare grad students to step into the classroom as an instructor for the first time, or for the hundredth time. It offers practical advice about teaching relevant for TAs and TFs.

These sessions also help prepare students to be successful teachers and mentors in the classroom with discipline-specific advice about classroom management and pedagogy.

Participate in the Graduate Teaching Project
The Graduate Teaching Project (GTP) is offered as a zero credit, free course for grad students in Arts & Sciences. It is offered once each year and is particularly helpful for students preparing to teach their own course or looking to improve their teaching effectiveness.

https://www.wm.edu/as/graduate/studentresources/resources-teaching/
https://guides.libraries.wm.edu/teaching/getting-ready/what-to-expect
https://guides.libraries.wm.edu/teaching/getting-ready/being-in-front
https://guides.libraries.wm.edu/teaching/whats-next

You didn’t read your links. Or you are purposefully misrepresenting what they say. These are classes for MAs in the school of education. That yes, teach you how to teach. But not how to teach your own class at WM. How to get your MA, go out in the world, and with an MA in education, probably not teach college. You do a semester of observation and attending lectures. And then a semester helping a professor. STEM kids lead labs, history kids lead the one a week small discussions in World History, because it’s one of the few classes that tops 100 kids. Econ profes have assistants who grade and do admin chores because so many kids take intro econ. Modern Language assistants live in the modern language houses, do programming for the houses, attend intro classes as conversation partners, etc. Some areas kids just grade papers. I’m sure in some areas, they do a few lectures during the semester that they prepare with the professor and the professor observes the class. The point is more to the Education MA students experience (WM calls them “internships”) and not to fund grad school or be the actual instructor. The MA students are not the professors.

100% of the classes at WM are taught by faculty. Even those classes that teach MA students how to teach.

https://www.wm.edu/admission/undergraduateadmission/facts-figures/recognized-and-respected/

What on earth are you talking about? Of course I read the links. Each one describes preparation for TAs - TEACHING ASSISTANTS - before they begin. This has nothing to do with the Education school, or preparing to teach as a career. It is solely about training to be a TA.

Talk about misrepresenting the facts...

Which part of 100% do you find confusing?

Are you the PPP who insisted I must not understand what I linked? Good grief. Just admit that W&M does indeed utilize TAs.

They do use TAs but they do not TEACH CLASSES. That is the distinction you continue to ignore.