What are not very expensive neighborhoods zoned for Langley - Herndon? Reston?

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Lake Anne Plaza is a very attractive part of Reston if you like European-inspired mid century modern architecture. The famous Hickory Cluster townhomes are nearby. The high school would be South Lakes which is a very good FCPS high school, probably falls into the top half academically.
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How TF does Fairfax County get away with modern school segregation?


It isn’t segregation. If you look at a map and where Langley High is located, there really aren’t any poor areas to pull from. It is in a very expensive location. Across the river is MD and to the east is DC. West is Great Falls and then you start going into McLean High areas.

There have been a few boundary studies in recent years about moving some families to Langley from McLean High.

Another boundary study was done recently for Kent Gardens but they didn’t touch the high school zoning, only moved elementary schools.


Langley's map looks like one of the manhandled political districts. Like he'll Langley's geography couldn't possibly incorporate one condo or apartment building. Plenty in Tysons to pick from.

Many/most of those apartments are expensive — especially if you include the condo fees! I live in a modest home in Great Falls, and the mortgage on those apartments is more than my own!


Most of them are rentals, not condos, and many are moderate-income. You people really are ridiculous in the excuses you come up with to keep Langley segregated.
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Also, with the recent Supreme Court rulings, school districts are eliminating diversity when drawing new boundaries. No school district wants to have to deal with lawsuits over balancing demographics.
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Anonymous wrote:Also, with the recent Supreme Court rulings, school districts are eliminating diversity when drawing new boundaries. No school district wants to have to deal with lawsuits over balancing demographics.


There’s nothing in the Supreme Court decisions that would prevent FCPS from addressing the decades-long, intentional economic gerrymandering at Langley, so long as it was not expressly based on racial factors.
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Anonymous wrote:Also, with the recent Supreme Court rulings, school districts are eliminating diversity when drawing new boundaries. No school district wants to have to deal with lawsuits over balancing demographics.


There’s nothing in the Supreme Court decisions that would prevent FCPS from addressing the decades-long, intentional economic gerrymandering at Langley, so long as it was not expressly based on racial factors.


That’s true. It’s just that districts are getting skittish over conflating economics with race. If McLean does not get its addition with renovation, then there may be an opportunity to revisit boundaries as Tysons grows and the new, planned affordable housing apartment towers are constructed.

Some districts have done away with neighborhood boundaries, but that only works in small school districts.
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Anonymous wrote:Meant to say one house under $1m.


How TF does Fairfax County get away with modern school segregation?


It isn’t segregation. If you look at a map and where Langley High is located, there really aren’t any poor areas to pull from. It is in a very expensive location. Across the river is MD and to the east is DC. West is Great Falls and then you start going into McLean High areas.

There have been a few boundary studies in recent years about moving some families to Langley from McLean High.

Another boundary study was done recently for Kent Gardens but they didn’t touch the high school zoning, only moved elementary schools.


Langley's map looks like one of the manhandled political districts. Like he'll Langley's geography couldn't possibly incorporate one condo or apartment building. Plenty in Tysons to pick from.

Many/most of those apartments are expensive — especially if you include the condo fees! I live in a modest home in Great Falls, and the mortgage on those apartments is more than my own!


Most of them are rentals, not condos, and many are moderate-income. You people really are ridiculous in the excuses you come up with to keep Langley segregated.


I'm the PP and also a Langley parent, and I really don't care who attends the school (including the apartments) -- we are feds and thus at the lower end of the Langley financial pyramid, and I would welcome some more diversity. I'm just noting that the apartments aren't cheap, and anyone who buys an apartment there in order to attend Langley will be paying a lot -- particularly since the trend now in Tysons is to build luxury apartments. That said, I don't think the issue is segregation so much as it is keeping the western part of Great Falls within the Langley pyramid: if they move the apartments to Langley and Langley becomes overcrowded, then the western part of the pyramid is at risk of being moved to another school, which could affect their property values.
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Anonymous wrote:Meant to say one house under $1m.


How TF does Fairfax County get away with modern school segregation?


It isn’t segregation. If you look at a map and where Langley High is located, there really aren’t any poor areas to pull from. It is in a very expensive location. Across the river is MD and to the east is DC. West is Great Falls and then you start going into McLean High areas.

There have been a few boundary studies in recent years about moving some families to Langley from McLean High.

Another boundary study was done recently for Kent Gardens but they didn’t touch the high school zoning, only moved elementary schools.


Langley's map looks like one of the manhandled political districts. Like he'll Langley's geography couldn't possibly incorporate one condo or apartment building. Plenty in Tysons to pick from.

Many/most of those apartments are expensive — especially if you include the condo fees! I live in a modest home in Great Falls, and the mortgage on those apartments is more than my own!


Most of them are rentals, not condos, and many are moderate-income. You people really are ridiculous in the excuses you come up with to keep Langley segregated.


I'm the PP and also a Langley parent, and I really don't care who attends the school (including the apartments) -- we are feds and thus at the lower end of the Langley financial pyramid, and I would welcome some more diversity. I'm just noting that the apartments aren't cheap, and anyone who buys an apartment there in order to attend Langley will be paying a lot -- particularly since the trend now in Tysons is to build luxury apartments. That said, I don't think the issue is segregation so much as it is keeping the western part of Great Falls within the Langley pyramid: if they move the apartments to Langley and Langley becomes overcrowded, then the western part of the pyramid is at risk of being moved to another school, which could affect their property values.


Over 1/3 of the housing units now getting built in Tysons are designated as affordable housing. Snotty Langley resident Elaine Tholen overrode an FCPS staff recommendation to make sure none of it fed into Langley. Langley representatives fight at every turn to keep Langley free of any economic diversity, and then they claim their hands are tied due to “geography.”
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Meant to say one house under $1m.


How TF does Fairfax County get away with modern school segregation?


It isn’t segregation. If you look at a map and where Langley High is located, there really aren’t any poor areas to pull from. It is in a very expensive location. Across the river is MD and to the east is DC. West is Great Falls and then you start going into McLean High areas.

There have been a few boundary studies in recent years about moving some families to Langley from McLean High.

Another boundary study was done recently for Kent Gardens but they didn’t touch the high school zoning, only moved elementary schools.


Langley's map looks like one of the manhandled political districts. Like he'll Langley's geography couldn't possibly incorporate one condo or apartment building. Plenty in Tysons to pick from.

Many/most of those apartments are expensive — especially if you include the condo fees! I live in a modest home in Great Falls, and the mortgage on those apartments is more than my own!


Most of them are rentals, not condos, and many are moderate-income. You people really are ridiculous in the excuses you come up with to keep Langley segregated.


I'm the PP and also a Langley parent, and I really don't care who attends the school (including the apartments) -- we are feds and thus at the lower end of the Langley financial pyramid, and I would welcome some more diversity. I'm just noting that the apartments aren't cheap, and anyone who buys an apartment there in order to attend Langley will be paying a lot -- particularly since the trend now in Tysons is to build luxury apartments. That said, I don't think the issue is segregation so much as it is keeping the western part of Great Falls within the Langley pyramid: if they move the apartments to Langley and Langley becomes overcrowded, then the western part of the pyramid is at risk of being moved to another school, which could affect their property values.


Over 1/3 of the housing units now getting built in Tysons are designated as affordable housing. Snotty Langley resident Elaine Tholen overrode an FCPS staff recommendation to make sure none of it fed into Langley. Langley representatives fight at every turn to keep Langley free of any economic diversity, and then they claim their hands are tied due to “geography.”


I’m genuinely curious where the affordable housing in Tyson’s is located.

I’m totally open to apartments at Langley. I don’t think anyone is opposed to that. What gets people upset is when great falls students have to switch schools to make space for those students. I’ve read online the reason Langley didn’t take more students (including apartments?) is that Cooper could not handle the extra kids before renovation and families got upset at having kids go to Langley without going to Cooper.

I have one kid at cooper and one kid at Langley. My kids have their friends. We would not notice or care where people lived. It is true my kids don’t have friends who live in apartments. I don’t think it would matter.
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Meant to say one house under $1m.


How TF does Fairfax County get away with modern school segregation?


It isn’t segregation. If you look at a map and where Langley High is located, there really aren’t any poor areas to pull from. It is in a very expensive location. Across the river is MD and to the east is DC. West is Great Falls and then you start going into McLean High areas.

There have been a few boundary studies in recent years about moving some families to Langley from McLean High.

Another boundary study was done recently for Kent Gardens but they didn’t touch the high school zoning, only moved elementary schools.


Langley's map looks like one of the manhandled political districts. Like he'll Langley's geography couldn't possibly incorporate one condo or apartment building. Plenty in Tysons to pick from.

Many/most of those apartments are expensive — especially if you include the condo fees! I live in a modest home in Great Falls, and the mortgage on those apartments is more than my own!


Most of them are rentals, not condos, and many are moderate-income. You people really are ridiculous in the excuses you come up with to keep Langley segregated.


I'm the PP and also a Langley parent, and I really don't care who attends the school (including the apartments) -- we are feds and thus at the lower end of the Langley financial pyramid, and I would welcome some more diversity. I'm just noting that the apartments aren't cheap, and anyone who buys an apartment there in order to attend Langley will be paying a lot -- particularly since the trend now in Tysons is to build luxury apartments. That said, I don't think the issue is segregation so much as it is keeping the western part of Great Falls within the Langley pyramid: if they move the apartments to Langley and Langley becomes overcrowded, then the western part of the pyramid is at risk of being moved to another school, which could affect their property values.


Over 1/3 of the housing units now getting built in Tysons are designated as affordable housing. Snotty Langley resident Elaine Tholen overrode an FCPS staff recommendation to make sure none of it fed into Langley. Langley representatives fight at every turn to keep Langley free of any economic diversity, and then they claim their hands are tied due to “geography.”


What high school do your kids go to?
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Meant to say one house under $1m.


How TF does Fairfax County get away with modern school segregation?


It isn’t segregation. If you look at a map and where Langley High is located, there really aren’t any poor areas to pull from. It is in a very expensive location. Across the river is MD and to the east is DC. West is Great Falls and then you start going into McLean High areas.

There have been a few boundary studies in recent years about moving some families to Langley from McLean High.

Another boundary study was done recently for Kent Gardens but they didn’t touch the high school zoning, only moved elementary schools.


Langley's map looks like one of the manhandled political districts. Like he'll Langley's geography couldn't possibly incorporate one condo or apartment building. Plenty in Tysons to pick from.

Many/most of those apartments are expensive — especially if you include the condo fees! I live in a modest home in Great Falls, and the mortgage on those apartments is more than my own!


Most of them are rentals, not condos, and many are moderate-income. You people really are ridiculous in the excuses you come up with to keep Langley segregated.


I'm the PP and also a Langley parent, and I really don't care who attends the school (including the apartments) -- we are feds and thus at the lower end of the Langley financial pyramid, and I would welcome some more diversity. I'm just noting that the apartments aren't cheap, and anyone who buys an apartment there in order to attend Langley will be paying a lot -- particularly since the trend now in Tysons is to build luxury apartments. That said, I don't think the issue is segregation so much as it is keeping the western part of Great Falls within the Langley pyramid: if they move the apartments to Langley and Langley becomes overcrowded, then the western part of the pyramid is at risk of being moved to another school, which could affect their property values.


Over 1/3 of the housing units now getting built in Tysons are designated as affordable housing. Snotty Langley resident Elaine Tholen overrode an FCPS staff recommendation to make sure none of it fed into Langley. Langley representatives fight at every turn to keep Langley free of any economic diversity, and then they claim their hands are tied due to “geography.”


I’m genuinely curious where the affordable housing in Tyson’s is located.

I’m totally open to apartments at Langley. I don’t think anyone is opposed to that. What gets people upset is when great falls students have to switch schools to make space for those students. I’ve read online the reason Langley didn’t take more students (including apartments?) is that Cooper could not handle the extra kids before renovation and families got upset at having kids go to Langley without going to Cooper.

I have one kid at cooper and one kid at Langley. My kids have their friends. We would not notice or care where people lived. It is true my kids don’t have friends who live in apartments. I don’t think it would matter.


I'm assuming you think of affordable housing as tower ghettos in Manhattan. Not the case anymore. Affordable housing is integrated into the more expensive units. I know, I was a single Mom in them in Tysons. You say that you don't care but there are a ton of people in the Langley pyramid that do care. You could always speak up and see what kind of reaction you get. Don't be surprised if you hear the n word.
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Meant to say one house under $1m.


How TF does Fairfax County get away with modern school segregation?


It isn’t segregation. If you look at a map and where Langley High is located, there really aren’t any poor areas to pull from. It is in a very expensive location. Across the river is MD and to the east is DC. West is Great Falls and then you start going into McLean High areas.

There have been a few boundary studies in recent years about moving some families to Langley from McLean High.

Another boundary study was done recently for Kent Gardens but they didn’t touch the high school zoning, only moved elementary schools.


Langley's map looks like one of the manhandled political districts. Like he'll Langley's geography couldn't possibly incorporate one condo or apartment building. Plenty in Tysons to pick from.

Many/most of those apartments are expensive — especially if you include the condo fees! I live in a modest home in Great Falls, and the mortgage on those apartments is more than my own!


Most of them are rentals, not condos, and many are moderate-income. You people really are ridiculous in the excuses you come up with to keep Langley segregated.


In your dream scenario, unless they are rent-controlled, those apartments will have their rent increase based on the Langley zoning, so your problem doesn’t really get solved, good try though.

I find it telling that you rail against supposed discrimination with the stereotyping “you people” language above. Most people don’t care at all about keeping “Langley segregated” and just want their kids in a good school. I’m guessing you just own a condo in Tyson’s and want it to go up in value. Best of luck to you.
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Meant to say one house under $1m.


How TF does Fairfax County get away with modern school segregation?


It isn’t segregation. If you look at a map and where Langley High is located, there really aren’t any poor areas to pull from. It is in a very expensive location. Across the river is MD and to the east is DC. West is Great Falls and then you start going into McLean High areas.

There have been a few boundary studies in recent years about moving some families to Langley from McLean High.

Another boundary study was done recently for Kent Gardens but they didn’t touch the high school zoning, only moved elementary schools.


Langley's map looks like one of the manhandled political districts. Like he'll Langley's geography couldn't possibly incorporate one condo or apartment building. Plenty in Tysons to pick from.

Many/most of those apartments are expensive — especially if you include the condo fees! I live in a modest home in Great Falls, and the mortgage on those apartments is more than my own!


Most of them are rentals, not condos, and many are moderate-income. You people really are ridiculous in the excuses you come up with to keep Langley segregated.


In your dream scenario, unless they are rent-controlled, those apartments will have their rent increase based on the Langley zoning, so your problem doesn’t really get solved, good try though.

I find it telling that you rail against supposed discrimination with the stereotyping “you people” language above. Most people don’t care at all about keeping “Langley segregated” and just want their kids in a good school. I’m guessing you just own a condo in Tyson’s and want it to go up in value. Best of luck to you.


They can't raise the rent on county-mandated affordable housing. There is 1 condo building in that part of Tysons to over a dozen apartment buildings. Even so, condos at 600K would be a steal compared to homes starting at $1 million and up.
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Meant to say one house under $1m.


How TF does Fairfax County get away with modern school segregation?


It isn’t segregation. If you look at a map and where Langley High is located, there really aren’t any poor areas to pull from. It is in a very expensive location. Across the river is MD and to the east is DC. West is Great Falls and then you start going into McLean High areas.

There have been a few boundary studies in recent years about moving some families to Langley from McLean High.

Another boundary study was done recently for Kent Gardens but they didn’t touch the high school zoning, only moved elementary schools.


Langley's map looks like one of the manhandled political districts. Like he'll Langley's geography couldn't possibly incorporate one condo or apartment building. Plenty in Tysons to pick from.

Many/most of those apartments are expensive — especially if you include the condo fees! I live in a modest home in Great Falls, and the mortgage on those apartments is more than my own!


Most of them are rentals, not condos, and many are moderate-income. You people really are ridiculous in the excuses you come up with to keep Langley segregated.


In your dream scenario, unless they are rent-controlled, those apartments will have their rent increase based on the Langley zoning, so your problem doesn’t really get solved, good try though.

I find it telling that you rail against supposed discrimination with the stereotyping “you people” language above. Most people don’t care at all about keeping “Langley segregated” and just want their kids in a good school. I’m guessing you just own a condo in Tyson’s and want it to go up in value. Best of luck to you.


Integration and "good" school are mutually exclusive. There isn't any school in FCPS, or probably the entire country, where diversity adds to the attractiveness of the school for the general populace - as is made obvious by GreatSchools and the real estate market. If parents want their kids in a good school, by default they support segregation of Fairfax County in order to maintain a good school. That's the sad reality.
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Meant to say one house under $1m.


How TF does Fairfax County get away with modern school segregation?


It isn’t segregation. If you look at a map and where Langley High is located, there really aren’t any poor areas to pull from. It is in a very expensive location. Across the river is MD and to the east is DC. West is Great Falls and then you start going into McLean High areas.

There have been a few boundary studies in recent years about moving some families to Langley from McLean High.

Another boundary study was done recently for Kent Gardens but they didn’t touch the high school zoning, only moved elementary schools.


Langley's map looks like one of the manhandled political districts. Like he'll Langley's geography couldn't possibly incorporate one condo or apartment building. Plenty in Tysons to pick from.

Many/most of those apartments are expensive — especially if you include the condo fees! I live in a modest home in Great Falls, and the mortgage on those apartments is more than my own!


Most of them are rentals, not condos, and many are moderate-income. You people really are ridiculous in the excuses you come up with to keep Langley segregated.


In your dream scenario, unless they are rent-controlled, those apartments will have their rent increase based on the Langley zoning, so your problem doesn’t really get solved, good try though.

I find it telling that you rail against supposed discrimination with the stereotyping “you people” language above. Most people don’t care at all about keeping “Langley segregated” and just want their kids in a good school. I’m guessing you just own a condo in Tyson’s and want it to go up in value. Best of luck to you.


They can't raise the rent on county-mandated affordable housing. There is 1 condo building in that part of Tysons to over a dozen apartment buildings. Even so, condos at 600K would be a steal compared to homes starting at $1 million and up.


600k is not exactly diversifying Langley. Other schools have section 8 building within their catchments, not 600k condos that people pretend are filled with poor people
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Meant to say one house under $1m.


How TF does Fairfax County get away with modern school segregation?


It isn’t segregation. If you look at a map and where Langley High is located, there really aren’t any poor areas to pull from. It is in a very expensive location. Across the river is MD and to the east is DC. West is Great Falls and then you start going into McLean High areas.

There have been a few boundary studies in recent years about moving some families to Langley from McLean High.

Another boundary study was done recently for Kent Gardens but they didn’t touch the high school zoning, only moved elementary schools.


Langley's map looks like one of the manhandled political districts. Like he'll Langley's geography couldn't possibly incorporate one condo or apartment building. Plenty in Tysons to pick from.

Many/most of those apartments are expensive — especially if you include the condo fees! I live in a modest home in Great Falls, and the mortgage on those apartments is more than my own!


Most of them are rentals, not condos, and many are moderate-income. You people really are ridiculous in the excuses you come up with to keep Langley segregated.


I'm the PP and also a Langley parent, and I really don't care who attends the school (including the apartments) -- we are feds and thus at the lower end of the Langley financial pyramid, and I would welcome some more diversity. I'm just noting that the apartments aren't cheap, and anyone who buys an apartment there in order to attend Langley will be paying a lot -- particularly since the trend now in Tysons is to build luxury apartments. That said, I don't think the issue is segregation so much as it is keeping the western part of Great Falls within the Langley pyramid: if they move the apartments to Langley and Langley becomes overcrowded, then the western part of the pyramid is at risk of being moved to another school, which could affect their property values.


Over 1/3 of the housing units now getting built in Tysons are designated as affordable housing. Snotty Langley resident Elaine Tholen overrode an FCPS staff recommendation to make sure none of it fed into Langley. Langley representatives fight at every turn to keep Langley free of any economic diversity, and then they claim their hands are tied due to “geography.”


I’m genuinely curious where the affordable housing in Tyson’s is located.

I’m totally open to apartments at Langley. I don’t think anyone is opposed to that. What gets people upset is when great falls students have to switch schools to make space for those students. I’ve read online the reason Langley didn’t take more students (including apartments?) is that Cooper could not handle the extra kids before renovation and families got upset at having kids go to Langley without going to Cooper.

I have one kid at cooper and one kid at Langley. My kids have their friends. We would not notice or care where people lived. It is true my kids don’t have friends who live in apartments. I don’t think it would matter.


I'm assuming you think of affordable housing as tower ghettos in Manhattan. Not the case anymore. Affordable housing is integrated into the more expensive units. I know, I was a single Mom in them in Tysons. You say that you don't care but there are a ton of people in the Langley pyramid that do care. You could always speak up and see what kind of reaction you get. Don't be surprised if you hear the n word.


Your last sentence is absurd. You make it sound like people in Great Falls and McLean walk around casually dropping N bombs. Of course, you know that isn’t the case.

I’m in Great Falls and care about my kids’ education (as most parents do) and bought where I did with the hope that my kids go to the schools we are currently zoned in. I also want all kids in Fairfax to thrive. I don’t believe rezoning really does anything to improve students on the whole (it’s a zero sum game), and I think it really is just meant to be a soak the “rich” scheme.

Sincerely, a staunch democrat
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