What are not very expensive neighborhoods zoned for Langley - Herndon? Reston?

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Anonymous wrote:Most replies have nothing to do with the OP/NP posts on HS options for good test scores.

Many MC families would like to have HS schools with good scores in their own neighborhoods.

FCPS would spend the budget on academics with enough teachers and smaller classroom size to make more schools get in the good test scores list.


They already favor lower performing schools with smaller classroom sizes. At a certain point it's just throwing good money after bad to increase class sizes at Langley further so there are 13 kids per class at Mount Vernon.
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Anonymous wrote:Most replies have nothing to do with the OP/NP posts on HS options for good test scores.

Many MC families would like to have HS schools with good scores in their own neighborhoods.

FCPS would spend the budget on academics with enough teachers and smaller classroom size to make more schools get in the good test scores list.


They already favor lower performing schools with smaller classroom sizes. At a certain point it's just throwing good money after bad to increase class sizes at Langley further so there are 13 kids per class at Mount Vernon.


PP. Did not say increase class sizes at schools with good scores. Reduce class size limit to around 25 at all FCPS HS schools. Smaller classes help all teachers and will help to improve scores at all schools. Spend budget for more teachers and education.

- HS Teacher
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Anonymous wrote:Come on, FCPS. Show you really give a crap about equity and assign this building to Langley, not Marshall:

https://www.ffxnow.com/2023/12/20/affordable-housing-development-breaks-ground-near-spring-hill-metro-station/#more-281987


Madison, Marshal and McLean are closer to Springhill Metro than Langley. What is the obsession with Langley.


Most neighborhoods zoned to Langley are closer to other schools than to Langley. No reason why this complex couldn’t be assigned to Langley.


I don’t think this is true. You are only talking about certain part of great falls.

We are zoned for Langley and on the McLean/Great Falls border and Langley is our closest high school.

Anything in Great Falls, Reston, Herndon, or Vienna zoned to Langley is closer to another high school than to Langley, and some neighborhoods in McLean zoned to Langley are also closer to McLean.

Again, no reason why the new affordable housing in Tysons/Vienna off Spring Hill Road couldn’t be assigned to Langley. Y’all always come up with phony reasons to justify the continued segregation.


This statement is not true. Langley is the closest high school for most of Great Falls east of the village.


Langley is the closest high school for some of Great Falls east of Great Falls Village, not all, and most of Great Falls is west of GFV.


DP. The point is that Langley is indeed the closest high school for most of GF. The end.


That’s not true. Most of Great Falls is west of Great Falls Village and closer to other high schools. And some of Great Falls east of Great Falls Village is closer to other schools as well.

The point is that it’s a farce to argue that the new affordable housing complex off Spring Hill Road can’t be assigned to Langley if it’s closer to other schools when so many current Langley neighborhoods are closer to other schools.


I have no opinion about your last paragraph because I don't care who is assigned to Langley. And it doesn't look like anyone is arguing against that in the first place.

But your first paragraph is simply untrue. There is no other high school that is closer to most of GF than Langley. The very far west GF neighborhoods are closer to Herndon, but that's it. And certainly, GF east of the Village is closer to Langley than any other school. I'm really not sure what point you're trying to make here.


You seem rather dense - you are both incorrect when it comes to the facts and apparently incapable of understanding their implications.


Speaking of dense - I see you're incapable of refuting what I wrote. Do tell: which high school is closer to GF east of the Village? We'll wait while you consult some maps and realize how ignorant you look.


Again, most of Great Falls is west of Great Falls Village. And these areas typically are closer to Herndon, South Lakes, and perhaps other schools than to Langley.

With respect to Great Falls east of GFV, there are some areas to the northeast closer to Langley than to any other school. There are also areas southeast of GFV in Great Falls that are closer to Herndon, South Lakes, Madison, Marshall, and/or McLean than they are to Langley. To take but one example, the new Arden development in Great Falls is under 5 miles to Marshall, and just over 6 miles to McLean, but over 7 miles to Langley.

And the point - which you keep ignoring - is that if we're already willing to send kids in expensive houses to Langley even though other schools are closer, there would be no harm and in fact some benefit in reassigning new affordable housing in Tysons like Dominion Square West from Marshall (near capacity and projected to see substantial growth) to Langley (under capacity and projected to see little growth) even if Marshall is closer.

You really are an obnoxious defender of the status quo.


Good grief. I stated above (bolded, for your convenience) that I DO NOT CARE who is assigned to Langley. Send the kids in the affordable housing you mentioned to Langley! No one cares. But you don't have a say and neither do I, so the point is moot. And speaking of obnoxious, you are obnoxiously obsessing over this. And you still haven't told us what school your kids are zoned to and why you care so very, very deeply.


Seems you lied, and are pitching a hissy fit now that you got called out.

It’s a simple observation that, with affordable housing getting built closer to Langley than many current Langley neighborhoods, the School Board - if it truly cares about equity and isn’t just totally full of crap - should assign some of it to under-enrolled Langley rather than load Marshall up with almost all of it.


"Lied"? About what? Most of GF east of the Village is indeed closer to Langley than any other school. You cherrypicked ONE development that is not. Which is weird that you would care about that - all of the houses in that area go to Langley. They're not going to carve out a special island and send it to a grossly overcrowded school, just to please you.

And no one is stopping you from lobbying the SB with your incessant demands - go for it. Not sure what repeatedly whining on this forum is going to do to help your cause.
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Anonymous wrote:Pp again. I also have a kid at Cooper, which is currently under construction. I remember when the boundary changes were happening, one issue that came up was while Langley was under capacity, Cooper could not handle the influx of more middle school students since it was under construction and did not have excess capacity even if Langley did. Parents did not want their kids to be at a different middle school to be moved from their friends to attend Langley. Perhaps boundaries will be studied again when the cooper renovation is complete. For now, my middle school kid still has half his classes in trailers.


Well, yes - the school is under construction. One of my kids spent almost his entire four years at Langley while it was under construction.
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Anonymous wrote:Come on, FCPS. Show you really give a crap about equity and assign this building to Langley, not Marshall:

https://www.ffxnow.com/2023/12/20/affordable-housing-development-breaks-ground-near-spring-hill-metro-station/#more-281987


Madison, Marshal and McLean are closer to Springhill Metro than Langley. What is the obsession with Langley.


Most neighborhoods zoned to Langley are closer to other schools than to Langley. No reason why this complex couldn’t be assigned to Langley.


I don’t think this is true. You are only talking about certain part of great falls.

We are zoned for Langley and on the McLean/Great Falls border and Langley is our closest high school.

Anything in Great Falls, Reston, Herndon, or Vienna zoned to Langley is closer to another high school than to Langley, and some neighborhoods in McLean zoned to Langley are also closer to McLean.

Again, no reason why the new affordable housing in Tysons/Vienna off Spring Hill Road couldn’t be assigned to Langley. Y’all always come up with phony reasons to justify the continued segregation.


This statement is not true. Langley is the closest high school for most of Great Falls east of the village.


Langley is the closest high school for some of Great Falls east of Great Falls Village, not all, and most of Great Falls is west of GFV.


DP. The point is that Langley is indeed the closest high school for most of GF. The end.


That’s not true. Most of Great Falls is west of Great Falls Village and closer to other high schools. And some of Great Falls east of Great Falls Village is closer to other schools as well.

The point is that it’s a farce to argue that the new affordable housing complex off Spring Hill Road can’t be assigned to Langley if it’s closer to other schools when so many current Langley neighborhoods are closer to other schools.


I have no opinion about your last paragraph because I don't care who is assigned to Langley. And it doesn't look like anyone is arguing against that in the first place.

But your first paragraph is simply untrue. There is no other high school that is closer to most of GF than Langley. The very far west GF neighborhoods are closer to Herndon, but that's it. And certainly, GF east of the Village is closer to Langley than any other school. I'm really not sure what point you're trying to make here.


You seem rather dense - you are both incorrect when it comes to the facts and apparently incapable of understanding their implications.


Speaking of dense - I see you're incapable of refuting what I wrote. Do tell: which high school is closer to GF east of the Village? We'll wait while you consult some maps and realize how ignorant you look.


Again, most of Great Falls is west of Great Falls Village. And these areas typically are closer to Herndon, South Lakes, and perhaps other schools than to Langley.

With respect to Great Falls east of GFV, there are some areas to the northeast closer to Langley than to any other school. There are also areas southeast of GFV in Great Falls that are closer to Herndon, South Lakes, Madison, Marshall, and/or McLean than they are to Langley. To take but one example, the new Arden development in Great Falls is under 5 miles to Marshall, and just over 6 miles to McLean, but over 7 miles to Langley.

And the point - which you keep ignoring - is that if we're already willing to send kids in expensive houses to Langley even though other schools are closer, there would be no harm and in fact some benefit in reassigning new affordable housing in Tysons like Dominion Square West from Marshall (near capacity and projected to see substantial growth) to Langley (under capacity and projected to see little growth) even if Marshall is closer.

You really are an obnoxious defender of the status quo.


Good grief. I stated above (bolded, for your convenience) that I DO NOT CARE who is assigned to Langley. Send the kids in the affordable housing you mentioned to Langley! No one cares. But you don't have a say and neither do I, so the point is moot. And speaking of obnoxious, you are obnoxiously obsessing over this. And you still haven't told us what school your kids are zoned to and why you care so very, very deeply.


Seems you lied, and are pitching a hissy fit now that you got called out.

It’s a simple observation that, with affordable housing getting built closer to Langley than many current Langley neighborhoods, the School Board - if it truly cares about equity and isn’t just totally full of crap - should assign some of it to under-enrolled Langley rather than load Marshall up with almost all of it.


Not the prior poster, but I certainly didn’t read the post as a “hissy fit”.


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And note, the PP still refuses to disclose what school her kids go to.
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Anonymous wrote:Come on, FCPS. Show you really give a crap about equity and assign this building to Langley, not Marshall:

https://www.ffxnow.com/2023/12/20/affordable-housing-development-breaks-ground-near-spring-hill-metro-station/#more-281987


Madison, Marshal and McLean are closer to Springhill Metro than Langley. What is the obsession with Langley.


Most neighborhoods zoned to Langley are closer to other schools than to Langley. No reason why this complex couldn’t be assigned to Langley.


I don’t think this is true. You are only talking about certain part of great falls.

We are zoned for Langley and on the McLean/Great Falls border and Langley is our closest high school.

Anything in Great Falls, Reston, Herndon, or Vienna zoned to Langley is closer to another high school than to Langley, and some neighborhoods in McLean zoned to Langley are also closer to McLean.

Again, no reason why the new affordable housing in Tysons/Vienna off Spring Hill Road couldn’t be assigned to Langley. Y’all always come up with phony reasons to justify the continued segregation.


This statement is not true. Langley is the closest high school for most of Great Falls east of the village.


Langley is the closest high school for some of Great Falls east of Great Falls Village, not all, and most of Great Falls is west of GFV.


DP. The point is that Langley is indeed the closest high school for most of GF. The end.


That’s not true. Most of Great Falls is west of Great Falls Village and closer to other high schools. And some of Great Falls east of Great Falls Village is closer to other schools as well.

The point is that it’s a farce to argue that the new affordable housing complex off Spring Hill Road can’t be assigned to Langley if it’s closer to other schools when so many current Langley neighborhoods are closer to other schools.


I have no opinion about your last paragraph because I don't care who is assigned to Langley. And it doesn't look like anyone is arguing against that in the first place.

But your first paragraph is simply untrue. There is no other high school that is closer to most of GF than Langley. The very far west GF neighborhoods are closer to Herndon, but that's it. And certainly, GF east of the Village is closer to Langley than any other school. I'm really not sure what point you're trying to make here.


You seem rather dense - you are both incorrect when it comes to the facts and apparently incapable of understanding their implications.


Speaking of dense - I see you're incapable of refuting what I wrote. Do tell: which high school is closer to GF east of the Village? We'll wait while you consult some maps and realize how ignorant you look.


Again, most of Great Falls is west of Great Falls Village. And these areas typically are closer to Herndon, South Lakes, and perhaps other schools than to Langley.

With respect to Great Falls east of GFV, there are some areas to the northeast closer to Langley than to any other school. There are also areas southeast of GFV in Great Falls that are closer to Herndon, South Lakes, Madison, Marshall, and/or McLean than they are to Langley. To take but one example, the new Arden development in Great Falls is under 5 miles to Marshall, and just over 6 miles to McLean, but over 7 miles to Langley.

And the point - which you keep ignoring - is that if we're already willing to send kids in expensive houses to Langley even though other schools are closer, there would be no harm and in fact some benefit in reassigning new affordable housing in Tysons like Dominion Square West from Marshall (near capacity and projected to see substantial growth) to Langley (under capacity and projected to see little growth) even if Marshall is closer.

You really are an obnoxious defender of the status quo.


Good grief. I stated above (bolded, for your convenience) that I DO NOT CARE who is assigned to Langley. Send the kids in the affordable housing you mentioned to Langley! No one cares. But you don't have a say and neither do I, so the point is moot. And speaking of obnoxious, you are obnoxiously obsessing over this. And you still haven't told us what school your kids are zoned to and why you care so very, very deeply.


Seems you lied, and are pitching a hissy fit now that you got called out.

It’s a simple observation that, with affordable housing getting built closer to Langley than many current Langley neighborhoods, the School Board - if it truly cares about equity and isn’t just totally full of crap - should assign some of it to under-enrolled Langley rather than load Marshall up with almost all of it.


Not the prior poster, but I certainly didn’t read the post as a “hissy fit”.




You are very immature ^^.
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Anonymous wrote:Pp again. I also have a kid at Cooper, which is currently under construction. I remember when the boundary changes were happening, one issue that came up was while Langley was under capacity, Cooper could not handle the influx of more middle school students since it was under construction and did not have excess capacity even if Langley did. Parents did not want their kids to be at a different middle school to be moved from their friends to attend Langley. Perhaps boundaries will be studied again when the cooper renovation is complete. For now, my middle school kid still has half his classes in trailers.


Well, yes - the school is under construction. One of my kids spent almost his entire four years at Langley while it was under construction.


Those trailers were always there at Cooper. I don’t think the trailers were added because of construction. The trailers were there before construction began.

I actually don’t think the trailers are that bad. They feel like normal classrooms. It just looks like a trailer park out there.
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Of course you have to add trailers during a school renovation.

But even if there are still trailers after the renovation, it’s not a good excuse to avoid Cooper and Langley picking up some of the affordable housing in the area, especially if it would otherwise lead to worse overcrowding at Kilmer and Marshall.
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Anonymous wrote:Come on, FCPS. Show you really give a crap about equity and assign this building to Langley, not Marshall:

https://www.ffxnow.com/2023/12/20/affordable-housing-development-breaks-ground-near-spring-hill-metro-station/#more-281987


Madison, Marshal and McLean are closer to Springhill Metro than Langley. What is the obsession with Langley.


Most neighborhoods zoned to Langley are closer to other schools than to Langley. No reason why this complex couldn’t be assigned to Langley.


I don’t think this is true. You are only talking about certain part of great falls.

We are zoned for Langley and on the McLean/Great Falls border and Langley is our closest high school.

Anything in Great Falls, Reston, Herndon, or Vienna zoned to Langley is closer to another high school than to Langley, and some neighborhoods in McLean zoned to Langley are also closer to McLean.

Again, no reason why the new affordable housing in Tysons/Vienna off Spring Hill Road couldn’t be assigned to Langley. Y’all always come up with phony reasons to justify the continued segregation.


This statement is not true. Langley is the closest high school for most of Great Falls east of the village.


Langley is the closest high school for some of Great Falls east of Great Falls Village, not all, and most of Great Falls is west of GFV.


DP. The point is that Langley is indeed the closest high school for most of GF. The end.


That’s not true. Most of Great Falls is west of Great Falls Village and closer to other high schools. And some of Great Falls east of Great Falls Village is closer to other schools as well.

The point is that it’s a farce to argue that the new affordable housing complex off Spring Hill Road can’t be assigned to Langley if it’s closer to other schools when so many current Langley neighborhoods are closer to other schools.


I have no opinion about your last paragraph because I don't care who is assigned to Langley. And it doesn't look like anyone is arguing against that in the first place.

But your first paragraph is simply untrue. There is no other high school that is closer to most of GF than Langley. The very far west GF neighborhoods are closer to Herndon, but that's it. And certainly, GF east of the Village is closer to Langley than any other school. I'm really not sure what point you're trying to make here.


You seem rather dense - you are both incorrect when it comes to the facts and apparently incapable of understanding their implications.


Speaking of dense - I see you're incapable of refuting what I wrote. Do tell: which high school is closer to GF east of the Village? We'll wait while you consult some maps and realize how ignorant you look.


Again, most of Great Falls is west of Great Falls Village. And these areas typically are closer to Herndon, South Lakes, and perhaps other schools than to Langley.

With respect to Great Falls east of GFV, there are some areas to the northeast closer to Langley than to any other school. There are also areas southeast of GFV in Great Falls that are closer to Herndon, South Lakes, Madison, Marshall, and/or McLean than they are to Langley. To take but one example, the new Arden development in Great Falls is under 5 miles to Marshall, and just over 6 miles to McLean, but over 7 miles to Langley.

And the point - which you keep ignoring - is that if we're already willing to send kids in expensive houses to Langley even though other schools are closer, there would be no harm and in fact some benefit in reassigning new affordable housing in Tysons like Dominion Square West from Marshall (near capacity and projected to see substantial growth) to Langley (under capacity and projected to see little growth) even if Marshall is closer.

You really are an obnoxious defender of the status quo.


Good grief. I stated above (bolded, for your convenience) that I DO NOT CARE who is assigned to Langley. Send the kids in the affordable housing you mentioned to Langley! No one cares. But you don't have a say and neither do I, so the point is moot. And speaking of obnoxious, you are obnoxiously obsessing over this. And you still haven't told us what school your kids are zoned to and why you care so very, very deeply.


Seems you lied, and are pitching a hissy fit now that you got called out.

It’s a simple observation that, with affordable housing getting built closer to Langley than many current Langley neighborhoods, the School Board - if it truly cares about equity and isn’t just totally full of crap - should assign some of it to under-enrolled Langley rather than load Marshall up with almost all of it.


"Lied"? About what? Most of GF east of the Village is indeed closer to Langley than any other school. You cherrypicked ONE development that is not. Which is weird that you would care about that - all of the houses in that area go to Langley. They're not going to carve out a special island and send it to a grossly overcrowded school, just to please you.

And no one is stopping you from lobbying the SB with your incessant demands - go for it. Not sure what repeatedly whining on this forum is going to do to help your cause.


Are you really that stupid, or just disingenuous?

The point was that Langley already has a ton of neighborhoods closer to other schools than to Langley. To some extent that’s inevitable because of Langley’s location.

Since that is the case, however, it’s then disingenuous to claim that some of the affordable housing getting built in Tysons - not far from current Langley neighborhoods- couldn’t be assigned there because it’s closer to Marshall.
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Anonymous wrote:Of course you have to add trailers during a school renovation.

But even if there are still trailers after the renovation, it’s not a good excuse to avoid Cooper and Langley picking up some of the affordable housing in the area, especially if it would otherwise lead to worse overcrowding at Kilmer and Marshall.


Tell the school board and take it up to them. We live close to Langley and our kids attend school there.

It seems odd that people who don’t live here or have kids who go to Langley care so much about having affordable housing being zoned to Langley.

I honestly don’t care one way or another. We won’t get moved since we live close by. Great Falls people may care since if too many people get zoned to Langley, parts of great falls would potentially get rezoned, which is what these other people who don’t live in Langley want.

I don’t think or care about any other pyramids. Other people seem to care too much about the demographics of Langley.
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OP started off by asking about affordable areas zoned to Langley.

There are very few because officials have by design excluded more affordable areas from Langley while students living in expensive houses at the other end of the county go there. It’s crazy.

The situation would be different if some more affordable units were assigned to Langley. Some of these new projects are closer to Langley than many current Langley neighborhoods.

Since Elaine Tholen, who was a shill for Langley, has retired from the School Board, it’s an appropriate time to take a fresh look at the situation.

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Anonymous wrote:OP started off by asking about affordable areas zoned to Langley.

There are very few because officials have by design excluded more affordable areas from Langley while students living in expensive houses at the other end of the county go there. It’s crazy.

The situation would be different if some more affordable units were assigned to Langley. Some of these new projects are closer to Langley than many current Langley neighborhoods.

Since Elaine Tholen, who was a shill for Langley, has retired from the School Board, it’s an appropriate time to take a fresh look at the situation.



OP asked for affordable areas zoned to Langley and for any other options for HS with good test scores with (town)house budget of $850-900K. Other posters also asked for suggestions.

Some replies have suggestions, some have links to real estate listing, but many are not helpful.
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Anonymous wrote:OP started off by asking about affordable areas zoned to Langley.

There are very few because officials have by design excluded more affordable areas from Langley while students living in expensive houses at the other end of the county go there. It’s crazy.

The situation would be different if some more affordable units were assigned to Langley. Some of these new projects are closer to Langley than many current Langley neighborhoods.

Since Elaine Tholen, who was a shill for Langley, has retired from the School Board, it’s an appropriate time to take a fresh look at the situation.



OP asked for affordable areas zoned to Langley and for any other options for HS with good test scores with (town)house budget of $850-900K. Other posters also asked for suggestions.

Some replies have suggestions, some have links to real estate listing, but many are not helpful.


OP did not originally ask about other HS options. Sorry if it bothers you if posters have provided context for why it's a fool's errand to look for $850-900K housing zoned for a school whose boundaries have been deliberately crafted over the years to exclude more affordable housing.
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Anonymous wrote:OP started off by asking about affordable areas zoned to Langley.

There are very few because officials have by design excluded more affordable areas from Langley while students living in expensive houses at the other end of the county go there. It’s crazy.

The situation would be different if some more affordable units were assigned to Langley. Some of these new projects are closer to Langley than many current Langley neighborhoods.

Since Elaine Tholen, who was a shill for Langley, has retired from the School Board, it’s an appropriate time to take a fresh look at the situation.



OP asked for affordable areas zoned to Langley and for any other options for HS with good test scores with (town)house budget of $850-900K. Other posters also asked for suggestions.

Some replies have suggestions, some have links to real estate listing, but many are not helpful.


OP did not originally ask about other HS options. Sorry if it bothers you if posters have provided context for why it's a fool's errand to look for $850-900K housing zoned for a school whose boundaries have been deliberately crafted over the years to exclude more affordable housing.


Yes- not originally, but subsequently. Does not bother me kids are beyond K-12.
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Anonymous wrote:Pp again. I also have a kid at Cooper, which is currently under construction. I remember when the boundary changes were happening, one issue that came up was while Langley was under capacity, Cooper could not handle the influx of more middle school students since it was under construction and did not have excess capacity even if Langley did. Parents did not want their kids to be at a different middle school to be moved from their friends to attend Langley. Perhaps boundaries will be studied again when the cooper renovation is complete. For now, my middle school kid still has half his classes in trailers.


Well, yes - the school is under construction. One of my kids spent almost his entire four years at Langley while it was under construction.


Those trailers were always there at Cooper. I don’t think the trailers were added because of construction. The trailers were there before construction began.

I actually don’t think the trailers are that bad. They feel like normal classrooms. It just looks like a trailer park out there.


DP. Are you talking about the modular? Because that's not really "trailers" and definitely doesn't feel like it once inside. Regardless, all of that will be gone once the reno is done.
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