VT ahead of WM in USNews

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Anonymous wrote:VT is just so awesome. Our kid loves it. It truly is an excellent university on the move. Not surprised it is leaping up the charts. Go, Hokies!

Excellent use of objectivity and facts.

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Anonymous wrote:VT is just so awesome. Our kid loves it. It truly is an excellent university on the move. Not surprised it is leaping up the charts. Go, Hokies!

I’m glad your kid loves it but it jumped in rankings because of its focus on lower income and first gen students, not because of its academics or the experience of your typical DCUM kid.

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Anonymous wrote:I read a story on WTOP where they quoted the USNW people as saying they are favoring schools with strong STEM over general liberal arts education.

Maybe the above rationale explains why UVA is getting kicked out of top 25 this year.

It didn't. UVA moved up from 25 to 24. Here. https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/rankings/national-universities

No, UVA is at 26.

It moved up to 24. read right here. https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/rankings/national-universities

Or down to 27. They are tied with three other schools.

Was there a glitch when you checked? It says UVa at #24 on the U.S. News website. It rose one spot compared with last year and is on same level as Wash U and Emory (supposedly). Let us know if site doesn't work for you.

But in reality there aren’t 4 schools ranked 24. There are 4 schools ranked 24-27. I’m not sure why 24 bs 27 in one ranking with questionable methodology matters. I do know UVA boosters are over the top. If you were 25 and became tied with 4 schools for 24 to 27, you stayed stable.

With all due respect, T=that's not how these rankings work. For example, Michigan and Georgetown are both ranked #22. Are you understanding -- this may be different from other rankings you have seen. Many schools tie and they get the same ranking, from top of the ranking to the bottom. Or are you not being serious?

UVA is no 26 this year. Went down. Also went to no. 5 from no. 3.

Wrong. Why do you keep repeating this false information?

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Anonymous wrote:I read a story on WTOP where they quoted the USNW people as saying they are favoring schools with strong STEM over general liberal arts education.

Maybe the above rationale explains why UVA is getting kicked out of top 25 this year.

It didn't. UVA moved up from 25 to 24. Here. https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/rankings/national-universities

No, UVA is at 26.

It moved up to 24. read right here. https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/rankings/national-universities

Or down to 27. They are tied with three other schools.

Was there a glitch when you checked? It says UVa at #24 on the U.S. News website. It rose one spot compared with last year and is on same level as Wash U and Emory (supposedly). Let us know if site doesn't work for you.

But in reality there aren’t 4 schools ranked 24. There are 4 schools ranked 24-27. I’m not sure why 24 bs 27 in one ranking with questionable methodology matters. I do know UVA boosters are over the top. If you were 25 and became tied with 4 schools for 24 to 27, you stayed stable.

With all due respect, T=that's not how these rankings work. For example, Michigan and Georgetown are both ranked #22. Are you understanding -- this may be different from other rankings you have seen. Many schools tie and they get the same ranking, from top of the ranking to the bottom. Or are you not being serious?

UVA is no 26 this year. Went down. Also went to no. 5 from no. 3.

Wrong. Why do you keep repeating this false information?

DP. Probably because it’s funny to see how much being 26 vs 24 matters to you. Get a grip. It’s one big game.

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Anonymous wrote:VT is just so awesome. Our kid loves it. It truly is an excellent university on the move. Not surprised it is leaping up the charts. Go, Hokies!

Excellent use of objectivity and facts.

DP. As opposed to "UVA is very prestigious. It is a public Ivy."

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The rankings favor large public universities. They took out percent of students from top 10% of their high school class.

Vanderbilt University said it found “many flaws” in this year’s US News & World Report college rankings, joining a growing list of schools criticizing the higher education. Vanderbilt decried the removal of factors like “faculty with the highest degrees attainable in their fields” and “the percentage of entering students who are in the top 10% of their high-school class.” The university said it was evaluating its next steps.

“U.S. News’s change in methodology has led to dramatic movement in the rankings overall, disadvantaging many private research universities while privileging large public institutions,” Chancellor Daniel Diermeier and Provost C. Cybele Raver wrote in an email to alumni.

US News this year put an increased emphasis on weighing a college’s ability to graduate students from different backgrounds, amid criticism that the rankings reward wealthy institutions. Vanderbilt said that while social mobility is important, the magazine used incomplete and misleading data to evaluate it.

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Anonymous wrote:I haven’t been to VT in a long time. Has it changed so much in those years? It was in a rural town and most of what students did for fun was drink and watch sports? My husband transferred out because there was nothing there if that wasn’t your scene. W&M also not exactly in a bustling location but definitely has less of a Greek influence. Unless Tech has changed entirely over those years (and hey maybe it has) these just don’t seem like schools the same kind of student would choose.

VT has less than 20% Greek participation. The vast majority of students there are not Greek, but are involved in the more than 800 clubs. I believe W&M has a higher Greek percentage precisely because there is not much to do there. I think your views of the schools are vastly outdated.

Do you think they attract the same sort of student? Because I know a lot of kids at both, and they really do not. VT is a bit unusual in that it has the engineering and CS kids, who are pretty different than everyone else. And not good candidates for WM. The kids in other fields are different. I’ve seen kids deciding between UVA and WM. And UVA and VT. But not between WM and VT, because these schools have very little academic or social overlap.

I don’t think they attract the same type of students socially, but academically - yes. Engineering is only about 1/3 of the student body at VT. The majority of students there are majoring in other disciplines.

I think the students are quite different academically (with the exception that the VT engineering students are similar to the academic profile of W&M students).

I disagree. At our high school, the top students applied to VT and only some of them got in. Most weren’t going for engineering.

Then they were going for what? CS? Business Information system?

VT has a 56% acceptance and a 26-32 ACT range, 3.8-4.28 GPA. **And that includes engineering and CS***. Arts and sciences does not give a separate acceptance rate from engineering and engineering/CS admit numbers are included in the GPA and ACT. The Arts and sciences info page says “a mixture of As and Bs” with “upper level” classes.

WM, even without engineering, is ACT 30-34, 4.18-4.5 GPA and has a 33% admit rate.

NOT the same students.

Ok, whatever makes you feel better. The fact remains, VT was far more sought after by top-stats kids than W&M. Don't know what to tell you.

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Anonymous wrote:I haven’t been to VT in a long time. Has it changed so much in those years? It was in a rural town and most of what students did for fun was drink and watch sports? My husband transferred out because there was nothing there if that wasn’t your scene. W&M also not exactly in a bustling location but definitely has less of a Greek influence. Unless Tech has changed entirely over those years (and hey maybe it has) these just don’t seem like schools the same kind of student would choose.

VT has less than 20% Greek participation. The vast majority of students there are not Greek, but are involved in the more than 800 clubs. I believe W&M has a higher Greek percentage precisely because there is not much to do there. I think your views of the schools are vastly outdated.

Maybe it’s because everyone I live around is obsessed with UVA vs. VT sports. It’s always turned me off to both schools.

Ok? A lot of people find schools with good sports teams and spirit - *as well* as great academics - to be appealing. Which is why my kids were always turned off by W&M.

Yes. Lots of people do. I don’t. And my guess is most of the students who apply to schools like W&M don’t find sports culture very interesting. That’s why I said I don’t know that they attract the same kinds of students.

Im down in the Richmond area, and I don’t know what it’s like in NOVA, but you’d think the people in the suburbs never got beyond college. So many cavalier and Hokies flags everywhere. 45 year olds still obsessed with college sports.

DP. You sound fun!

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Anonymous wrote:VT is just so awesome. Our kid loves it. It truly is an excellent university on the move. Not surprised it is leaping up the charts. Go, Hokies!

What do they like about it? We visited earlier this year and my kid didn’t like it. She was disappointed as she had expected to.

DP. Are you the poster who asked the same question a few months ago, but then when presented with all the great things VT has to offer, didn't like the answer?

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Anonymous wrote:VT is just so awesome. Our kid loves it. It truly is an excellent university on the move. Not surprised it is leaping up the charts. Go, Hokies!

I’m glad your kid loves it but it jumped in rankings because of its focus on lower income and first gen students, not because of its academics or the experience of your typical DCUM kid.

This is just such a sour grapes post. Very transparently so.
DP

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Anonymous wrote:I haven’t been to VT in a long time. Has it changed so much in those years? It was in a rural town and most of what students did for fun was drink and watch sports? My husband transferred out because there was nothing there if that wasn’t your scene. W&M also not exactly in a bustling location but definitely has less of a Greek influence. Unless Tech has changed entirely over those years (and hey maybe it has) these just don’t seem like schools the same kind of student would choose.

VT has less than 20% Greek participation. The vast majority of students there are not Greek, but are involved in the more than 800 clubs. I believe W&M has a higher Greek percentage precisely because there is not much to do there. I think your views of the schools are vastly outdated.

Maybe it’s because everyone I live around is obsessed with UVA vs. VT sports. It’s always turned me off to both schools.

Ok? A lot of people find schools with good sports teams and spirit - *as well* as great academics - to be appealing. Which is why my kids were always turned off by W&M.

Yes. Lots of people do. I don’t. And my guess is most of the students who apply to schools like W&M don’t find sports culture very interesting. That’s why I said I don’t know that they attract the same kinds of students.

Im down in the Richmond area, and I don’t know what it’s like in NOVA, but you’d think the people in the suburbs never got beyond college. So many cavalier and Hokies flags everywhere. 45 year olds still obsessed with college sports.

Tell you weren’t born in the US without telling me you weren’t born in the US.

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Anonymous wrote:I read a story on WTOP where they quoted the USNW people as saying they are favoring schools with strong STEM over general liberal arts education.

Maybe the above rationale explains why UVA is getting kicked out of top 25 this year.

It didn't. UVA moved up from 25 to 24. Here. https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/rankings/national-universities

No, UVA is at 26.

It moved up to 24. read right here. https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/rankings/national-universities

Or down to 27. They are tied with three other schools.

Was there a glitch when you checked? It says UVa at #24 on the U.S. News website. It rose one spot compared with last year and is on same level as Wash U and Emory (supposedly). Let us know if site doesn't work for you.

But in reality there aren’t 4 schools ranked 24. There are 4 schools ranked 24-27. I’m not sure why 24 bs 27 in one ranking with questionable methodology matters. I do know UVA boosters are over the top. If you were 25 and became tied with 4 schools for 24 to 27, you stayed stable.

With all due respect, T=that's not how these rankings work. For example, Michigan and Georgetown are both ranked #22. Are you understanding -- this may be different from other rankings you have seen. Many schools tie and they get the same ranking, from top of the ranking to the bottom. Or are you not being serious?

UVA is no 26 this year. Went down. Also went to no. 5 from no. 3.

Wrong. Why do you keep repeating this false information?

+1. UVA rose from 25 to 24.

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W&M is sui generis. It’s neither fish nor fowl for purposes of these rankings. Not long ago, it was usually ranked in the low 30s. That seemed about right. That said, it’s a problem the administration must address. Feasting off of b-b-b-but we’re sixth in “undergraduate teaching” and, whining about not having enough money won’t cut it.

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Anonymous wrote:I haven’t been to VT in a long time. Has it changed so much in those years? It was in a rural town and most of what students did for fun was drink and watch sports? My husband transferred out because there was nothing there if that wasn’t your scene. W&M also not exactly in a bustling location but definitely has less of a Greek influence. Unless Tech has changed entirely over those years (and hey maybe it has) these just don’t seem like schools the same kind of student would choose.

VT has less than 20% Greek participation. The vast majority of students there are not Greek, but are involved in the more than 800 clubs. I believe W&M has a higher Greek percentage precisely because there is not much to do there. I think your views of the schools are vastly outdated.

Do you think they attract the same sort of student? Because I know a lot of kids at both, and they really do not. VT is a bit unusual in that it has the engineering and CS kids, who are pretty different than everyone else. And not good candidates for WM. The kids in other fields are different. I’ve seen kids deciding between UVA and WM. And UVA and VT. But not between WM and VT, because these schools have very little academic or social overlap.

I don’t think they attract the same type of students socially, but academically - yes. Engineering is only about 1/3 of the student body at VT. The majority of students there are majoring in other disciplines.

I think the students are quite different academically (with the exception that the VT engineering students are similar to the academic profile of W&M students).

I disagree. At our high school, the top students applied to VT and only some of them got in. Most weren’t going for engineering.

Then they were going for what? CS? Business Information system?

VT has a 56% acceptance and a 26-32 ACT range, 3.8-4.28 GPA. **And that includes engineering and CS***. Arts and sciences does not give a separate acceptance rate from engineering and engineering/CS admit numbers are included in the GPA and ACT. The Arts and sciences info page says “a mixture of As and Bs” with “upper level” classes.

WM, even without engineering, is ACT 30-34, 4.18-4.5 GPA and has a 33% admit rate.

NOT the same students.

Ok, whatever makes you feel better. The fact remains, VT was far more sought after by top-stats kids than W&M. Don't know what to tell you.

NP it’s absolutely not a “fact”. My kid had no desire to go to VT, applying to UVA and W&M instead. VT was where the average smart kids in their school went not the “top-stats” kids.

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Anonymous wrote:I haven’t been to VT in a long time. Has it changed so much in those years? It was in a rural town and most of what students did for fun was drink and watch sports? My husband transferred out because there was nothing there if that wasn’t your scene. W&M also not exactly in a bustling location but definitely has less of a Greek influence. Unless Tech has changed entirely over those years (and hey maybe it has) these just don’t seem like schools the same kind of student would choose.

VT has less than 20% Greek participation. The vast majority of students there are not Greek, but are involved in the more than 800 clubs. I believe W&M has a higher Greek percentage precisely because there is not much to do there. I think your views of the schools are vastly outdated.

Do you think they attract the same sort of student? Because I know a lot of kids at both, and they really do not. VT is a bit unusual in that it has the engineering and CS kids, who are pretty different than everyone else. And not good candidates for WM. The kids in other fields are different. I’ve seen kids deciding between UVA and WM. And UVA and VT. But not between WM and VT, because these schools have very little academic or social overlap.

I don’t think they attract the same type of students socially, but academically - yes. Engineering is only about 1/3 of the student body at VT. The majority of students there are majoring in other disciplines.

I think the students are quite different academically (with the exception that the VT engineering students are similar to the academic profile of W&M students).

I disagree. At our high school, the top students applied to VT and only some of them got in. Most weren’t going for engineering.

Then they were going for what? CS? Business Information system?

VT has a 56% acceptance and a 26-32 ACT range, 3.8-4.28 GPA. **And that includes engineering and CS***. Arts and sciences does not give a separate acceptance rate from engineering and engineering/CS admit numbers are included in the GPA and ACT. The Arts and sciences info page says “a mixture of As and Bs” with “upper level” classes.

WM, even without engineering, is ACT 30-34, 4.18-4.5 GPA and has a 33% admit rate.

NOT the same students.

Ok, whatever makes you feel better. The fact remains, VT was far more sought after by top-stats kids than W&M. Don't know what to tell you.

NP it’s absolutely not a “fact”. My kid had no desire to go to VT, applying to UVA and W&M instead. VT was where the average smart kids in their school went not the “top-stats” kids.

Well, clearly our kids do not attend the same high school.