VT ahead of WM in USNews

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Anonymous wrote:I read a story on WTOP where they quoted the USNW people as saying they are favoring schools with strong STEM over general liberal arts education.

Maybe the above rationale explains why UVA is getting kicked out of top 25 this year.

It didn't. UVA moved up from 25 to 24. Here. https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/rankings/national-universities

No, UVA is at 26.

It moved up to 24. read right here. https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/rankings/national-universities

Or down to 27. They are tied with three other schools.

Was there a glitch when you checked? It says UVa at #24 on the U.S. News website. It rose one spot compared with last year and is on same level as Wash U and Emory (supposedly). Let us know if site doesn't work for you.

But in reality there aren’t 4 schools ranked 24. There are 4 schools ranked 24-27. I’m not sure why 24 bs 27 in one ranking with questionable methodology matters. I do know UVA boosters are over the top. If you were 25 and became tied with 4 schools for 24 to 27, you stayed stable.

The #24 ranking doesn’t matter as much as what other public peer schools are accomplishing. In one year UVA fell from the #3 ranked public to #5. That’s a sign that other schools are catching up and getting ahead.

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Anonymous wrote:I haven’t been to VT in a long time. Has it changed so much in those years? It was in a rural town and most of what students did for fun was drink and watch sports? My husband transferred out because there was nothing there if that wasn’t your scene. W&M also not exactly in a bustling location but definitely has less of a Greek influence. Unless Tech has changed entirely over those years (and hey maybe it has) these just don’t seem like schools the same kind of student would choose.

VT has less than 20% Greek participation. The vast majority of students there are not Greek, but are involved in the more than 800 clubs. I believe W&M has a higher Greek percentage precisely because there is not much to do there. I think your views of the schools are vastly outdated.

Do you think they attract the same sort of student? Because I know a lot of kids at both, and they really do not. VT is a bit unusual in that it has the engineering and CS kids, who are pretty different than everyone else. And not good candidates for WM. The kids in other fields are different. I’ve seen kids deciding between UVA and WM. And UVA and VT. But not between WM and VT, because these schools have very little academic or social overlap.

I don’t think they attract the same type of students socially, but academically - yes. Engineering is only about 1/3 of the student body at VT. The majority of students there are majoring in other disciplines.

And the non-engineering students are valuing other things over the small classes, taught by full professor, discussion and writing based curriculum. Which is fine. But nobody goes to WM for the sports and nobody goes to VT for a small, discussion, presentation, writing heavy curriculum.

You’re mistaken. My DC is double majoring in humanities subjects at VT, has small classes, and spends much of his time writing papers. Please stop making these sweeping claims with no basis in fact.
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Anonymous wrote:I haven’t been to VT in a long time. Has it changed so much in those years? It was in a rural town and most of what students did for fun was drink and watch sports? My husband transferred out because there was nothing there if that wasn’t your scene. W&M also not exactly in a bustling location but definitely has less of a Greek influence. Unless Tech has changed entirely over those years (and hey maybe it has) these just don’t seem like schools the same kind of student would choose.

VT has less than 20% Greek participation. The vast majority of students there are not Greek, but are involved in the more than 800 clubs. I believe W&M has a higher Greek percentage precisely because there is not much to do there. I think your views of the schools are vastly outdated.

Maybe it’s because everyone I live around is obsessed with UVA vs. VT sports. It’s always turned me off to both schools.

Ok? A lot of people find schools with good sports teams and spirit - *as well* as great academics - to be appealing. Which is why my kids were always turned off by W&M.

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Anonymous wrote:I read a story on WTOP where they quoted the USNW people as saying they are favoring schools with strong STEM over general liberal arts education.

Maybe the above rationale explains why UVA is getting kicked out of top 25 this year.

It didn't. UVA moved up from 25 to 24. Here. https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/rankings/national-universities

No, UVA is at 26.

It moved up to 24. read right here. https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/rankings/national-universities

Or down to 27. They are tied with three other schools.

Was there a glitch when you checked? It says UVa at #24 on the U.S. News website. It rose one spot compared with last year and is on same level as Wash U and Emory (supposedly). Let us know if site doesn't work for you.

But in reality there aren’t 4 schools ranked 24. There are 4 schools ranked 24-27. I’m not sure why 24 bs 27 in one ranking with questionable methodology matters. I do know UVA boosters are over the top. If you were 25 and became tied with 4 schools for 24 to 27, you stayed stable.

With all due respect, T=that's not how these rankings work. For example, Michigan and Georgetown are both ranked #22. Are you understanding -- this may be different from other rankings you have seen. Many schools tie and they get the same ranking, from top of the ranking to the bottom. Or are you not being serious?

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Anonymous wrote:I read a story on WTOP where they quoted the USNW people as saying they are favoring schools with strong STEM over general liberal arts education.

Maybe the above rationale explains why UVA is getting kicked out of top 25 this year.

It didn't. UVA moved up from 25 to 24. Here. https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/rankings/national-universities

No, UVA is at 26.

It moved up to 24. read right here. https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/rankings/national-universities

Or down to 27. They are tied with three other schools.

Was there a glitch when you checked? It says UVa at #24 on the U.S. News website. It rose one spot compared with last year and is on same level as Wash U and Emory (supposedly). Let us know if site doesn't work for you.

But in reality there aren’t 4 schools ranked 24. There are 4 schools ranked 24-27. I’m not sure why 24 bs 27 in one ranking with questionable methodology matters. I do know UVA boosters are over the top. If you were 25 and became tied with 4 schools for 24 to 27, you stayed stable.

With all due respect, T=that's not how these rankings work. For example, Michigan and Georgetown are both ranked #22. Are you understanding -- this may be different from other rankings you have seen. Many schools tie and they get the same ranking, from top of the ranking to the bottom. Or are you not being serious?

UVA is no 26 this year. Went down. Also went to no. 5 from no. 3.

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Anonymous wrote:I haven’t been to VT in a long time. Has it changed so much in those years? It was in a rural town and most of what students did for fun was drink and watch sports? My husband transferred out because there was nothing there if that wasn’t your scene. W&M also not exactly in a bustling location but definitely has less of a Greek influence. Unless Tech has changed entirely over those years (and hey maybe it has) these just don’t seem like schools the same kind of student would choose.

VT has less than 20% Greek participation. The vast majority of students there are not Greek, but are involved in the more than 800 clubs. I believe W&M has a higher Greek percentage precisely because there is not much to do there. I think your views of the schools are vastly outdated.

Do you think they attract the same sort of student? Because I know a lot of kids at both, and they really do not. VT is a bit unusual in that it has the engineering and CS kids, who are pretty different than everyone else. And not good candidates for WM. The kids in other fields are different. I’ve seen kids deciding between UVA and WM. And UVA and VT. But not between WM and VT, because these schools have very little academic or social overlap.

I don’t think they attract the same type of students socially, but academically - yes. Engineering is only about 1/3 of the student body at VT. The majority of students there are majoring in other disciplines.

I think the students are quite different academically (with the exception that the VT engineering students are similar to the academic profile of W&M students).

I disagree. At our high school, the top students applied to VT and only some of them got in. Most weren’t going for engineering.

Then they were going for what? CS? Business Information system?

VT has a 56% acceptance and a 26-32 ACT range, 3.8-4.28 GPA. **And that includes engineering and CS***. Arts and sciences does not give a separate acceptance rate from engineering and engineering/CS admit numbers are included in the GPA and ACT. The Arts and sciences info page says “a mixture of As and Bs” with “upper level” classes.

WM, even without engineering, is ACT 30-34, 4.18-4.5 GPA and has a 33% admit rate.

NOT the same students.

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Anonymous wrote:I read a story on WTOP where they quoted the USNW people as saying they are favoring schools with strong STEM over general liberal arts education.

Maybe the above rationale explains why UVA is getting kicked out of top 25 this year.

It didn't. UVA moved up from 25 to 24. Here. https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/rankings/national-universities

No, UVA is at 26.

It moved up to 24. read right here. https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/rankings/national-universities

Or down to 27. They are tied with three other schools.

Was there a glitch when you checked? It says UVa at #24 on the U.S. News website. It rose one spot compared with last year and is on same level as Wash U and Emory (supposedly). Let us know if site doesn't work for you.

But in reality there aren’t 4 schools ranked 24. There are 4 schools ranked 24-27. I’m not sure why 24 bs 27 in one ranking with questionable methodology matters. I do know UVA boosters are over the top. If you were 25 and became tied with 4 schools for 24 to 27, you stayed stable.

I think UVA fared pretty well given the change in methodology that dropped alumni giving rate, class size / student faculty ration, and class rank, all areas where UVA probably does comparatively well. The biggest change is going from T3 to 5 among publics. A number of people had postulated a top 4 with UCLA, Berkeley, Michigan and UVA, and this messes up that narrative by being separated from Michigan and having UNC above UVA.

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Anonymous wrote:unless you are going to be a lawyer liberal arts is garbage in general for rich kids who don't need to work

My kid is a WM with a double major in IR and a critical language in very high demand, especially for US citizen speakers who can get a security clearance. She’ll be fine with her humanities major. And almost certainly come out with a job offer that includes paying for her Masters. She has done much better with summer opportunities than her STEM major sibling.

Don’t underestimate the humanities. Or lawyers.

she already got a clearance and cjo as an undergrad?

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Anonymous wrote:I haven’t been to VT in a long time. Has it changed so much in those years? It was in a rural town and most of what students did for fun was drink and watch sports? My husband transferred out because there was nothing there if that wasn’t your scene. W&M also not exactly in a bustling location but definitely has less of a Greek influence. Unless Tech has changed entirely over those years (and hey maybe it has) these just don’t seem like schools the same kind of student would choose.

VT has less than 20% Greek participation. The vast majority of students there are not Greek, but are involved in the more than 800 clubs. I believe W&M has a higher Greek percentage precisely because there is not much to do there. I think your views of the schools are vastly outdated.

Maybe it’s because everyone I live around is obsessed with UVA vs. VT sports. It’s always turned me off to both schools.

Ok? A lot of people find schools with good sports teams and spirit - *as well* as great academics - to be appealing. Which is why my kids were always turned off by W&M.

Yes. Lots of people do. I don’t. And my guess is most of the students who apply to schools like W&M don’t find sports culture very interesting. That’s why I said I don’t know that they attract the same kinds of students.

Im down in the Richmond area, and I don’t know what it’s like in NOVA, but you’d think the people in the suburbs never got beyond college. So many cavalier and Hokies flags everywhere. 45 year olds still obsessed with college sports.

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Anonymous wrote:I read a story on WTOP where they quoted the USNW people as saying they are favoring schools with strong STEM over general liberal arts education.

Maybe the above rationale explains why UVA is getting kicked out of top 25 this year.

It didn't. UVA moved up from 25 to 24. Here. https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/rankings/national-universities

No, UVA is at 26.

It moved up to 24. read right here. https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/rankings/national-universities

Or down to 27. They are tied with three other schools.

Was there a glitch when you checked? It says UVa at #24 on the U.S. News website. It rose one spot compared with last year and is on same level as Wash U and Emory (supposedly). Let us know if site doesn't work for you.

But in reality there aren’t 4 schools ranked 24. There are 4 schools ranked 24-27. I’m not sure why 24 bs 27 in one ranking with questionable methodology matters. I do know UVA boosters are over the top. If you were 25 and became tied with 4 schools for 24 to 27, you stayed stable.

With all due respect, T=that's not how these rankings work. For example, Michigan and Georgetown are both ranked #22. Are you understanding -- this may be different from other rankings you have seen. Many schools tie and they get the same ranking, from top of the ranking to the bottom. Or are you not being serious?

UVA is no 26 this year. Went down. Also went to no. 5 from no. 3.

It’s #24 as PP said & you are correct on #5 best publics.

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Anonymous wrote:I read a story on WTOP where they quoted the USNW people as saying they are favoring schools with strong STEM over general liberal arts education.

Maybe the above rationale explains why UVA is getting kicked out of top 25 this year.

It didn't. UVA moved up from 25 to 24. Here. https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/rankings/national-universities

No, UVA is at 26.

It moved up to 24. read right here. https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/rankings/national-universities

Or down to 27. They are tied with three other schools.

Was there a glitch when you checked? It says UVa at #24 on the U.S. News website. It rose one spot compared with last year and is on same level as Wash U and Emory (supposedly). Let us know if site doesn't work for you.

But in reality there aren’t 4 schools ranked 24. There are 4 schools ranked 24-27. I’m not sure why 24 bs 27 in one ranking with questionable methodology matters. I do know UVA boosters are over the top. If you were 25 and became tied with 4 schools for 24 to 27, you stayed stable.

The #24 ranking doesn’t matter as much as what other public peer schools are accomplishing. In one year UVA fell from the #3 ranked public to #5. That’s a sign that other schools are catching up and getting ahead.

It’s because uva is $$$ and unc is cheap, part of the new usnwr formula

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Anonymous wrote:I haven’t been to VT in a long time. Has it changed so much in those years? It was in a rural town and most of what students did for fun was drink and watch sports? My husband transferred out because there was nothing there if that wasn’t your scene. W&M also not exactly in a bustling location but definitely has less of a Greek influence. Unless Tech has changed entirely over those years (and hey maybe it has) these just don’t seem like schools the same kind of student would choose.

VT has less than 20% Greek participation. The vast majority of students there are not Greek, but are involved in the more than 800 clubs. I believe W&M has a higher Greek percentage precisely because there is not much to do there. I think your views of the schools are vastly outdated.

Do you think they attract the same sort of student? Because I know a lot of kids at both, and they really do not. VT is a bit unusual in that it has the engineering and CS kids, who are pretty different than everyone else. And not good candidates for WM. The kids in other fields are different. I’ve seen kids deciding between UVA and WM. And UVA and VT. But not between WM and VT, because these schools have very little academic or social overlap.

I don’t think they attract the same type of students socially, but academically - yes. Engineering is only about 1/3 of the student body at VT. The majority of students there are majoring in other disciplines.

I think the students are quite different academically (with the exception that the VT engineering students are similar to the academic profile of W&M students).

I disagree. At our high school, the top students applied to VT and only some of them got in. Most weren’t going for engineering.

Then they were going for what? CS? Business Information system?

VT has a 56% acceptance and a 26-32 ACT range, 3.8-4.28 GPA. **And that includes engineering and CS***. Arts and sciences does not give a separate acceptance rate from engineering and engineering/CS admit numbers are included in the GPA and ACT. The Arts and sciences info page says “a mixture of As and Bs” with “upper level” classes.

WM, even without engineering, is ACT 30-34, 4.18-4.5 GPA and has a 33% admit rate.

NOT the same students.

Both use the SAT more than ACT. From the Common Data Set, W&M middle 50 on SAT is 1375-1520. VT is 1220-1420. 50th percentile is 1460 at W&M and 1330 at VT. For ACT, W&M middle 50 is 32-34, vs. 26-32 at VT. I'd say roughly the top 1/3rd at VT may overlap with the bottom 1/3rd at W&M from a stats perspective. However, the top third at VT may be disproportionately in engineering, which W&M does not have.

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VT is just so awesome. Our kid loves it. It truly is an excellent university on the move. Not surprised it is leaping up the charts. Go, Hokies!

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Anonymous wrote:VT is just so awesome. Our kid loves it. It truly is an excellent university on the move. Not surprised it is leaping up the charts. Go, Hokies!

What do they like about it? We visited earlier this year and my kid didn’t like it. She was disappointed as she had expected to.

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Anonymous wrote:I read a story on WTOP where they quoted the USNW people as saying they are favoring schools with strong STEM over general liberal arts education.

Maybe the above rationale explains why UVA is getting kicked out of top 25 this year.

It didn't. UVA moved up from 25 to 24. Here. https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/rankings/national-universities

No, UVA is at 26.

Reading comprehension is not your strength, honey. But I’m sure you’re good at other things.