Are the MAP score percentiles meaningful?

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t think that MCPS has different levels of math classes until 4th grade, when compacted math 4/5 starts.

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at our MCPS elementary school they call one enriched and the other will only receive enrichment on an “as needed” basis.

Which school?

Takoma Park Elementary

This may be a holdover from prior years, then, and not representative of MCPS. TPES/PBES (K-2/3-5 pairing) was the sole (I think) GT program-type school for locals with cohorted differentiation in early grades. There are/were others (Stonegate?), but they were K-5, following the CES model for 4th & 5th grade, but for the local catchment only.

One of the many weirdnesses of TP. Espousing super-progressivism, but happy to hoard an opportunity like this that largely falls to those in TP with means.

It's not TP's fault that the other schools are run poorly.

Sure, but it is inner TP's progressive hypocrisy (not that I'm against reasonable progressivism, itself) for insisting on this paradigm (available only to them, and generally benefitting the high SES families) when the TP schools were opened up to the "greater TP" area (with significant low SES and immigrant populations). Not to mention the in-catchment reserve for the Math/Science/CS criteria-based MS program at TPMS that makes it about 4 times as likely for a TP student to be admitted as those from the lower county catchment for that program.

I know TP families have access to the best programs. We figured this out and moved there for that reason. Our kids went through the ES magnet, the CES program, the MS magnet, and even Blair SMCS magnet. A lot of families pick their homes because of the reputation of the school pyramid, nothing wrong with that...

It’s gatekeeping and hoarding resources, locked behind high priced homes, and all under the mantle of being a progressive area.

Then you should be happy that the magnet lottery now prefers students from low SES areas.

Except they didn’t get rid of the local set-aside. Those kids have their very own lottery for a significant number of the seats.

This is one of many reasons why families that value education choose TP.

What everyone is saying is what about families that value education but can’t afford to “choose TP?” Shouldn’t there be roughly equivalent access regardless of SES?

+1. I think the same access to programs and resources to implement those programs should be available at all MCPS schools.

TP is economically diverse, and much of it is very affordable I think it's great that an area like this is making a high-quality education available to everyone. The same can't be said about Western moco which isn't economically diverse and seems to revel in opportunity hoarding.

Except the special/set-aside opportunites in TP end up taken highly disproportionately by the high-SES families owning in relatively expensive SFH areas, not accruing to the lower SES families that give the overall area diversity, (although pocketed, geographically).

Get rid of the set-asides. Sometime I think that the combination of "That's why we chose TP!" and [whatever logical fallicy that amounts to "Don't heed the posts outlining systemic inequities."] is just a real estate agent or two trying to preserve the relative value of their commissions. Not that that behavior is exclusive to TP (see: Ws).

From what I've seen as a parent with kids who have gone through these programs, that's not true. TKPK is diverse, as are the students who participate in these programs, especially in comparison to those selected from the larger county. However, if it makes you feel good to believe otherwise, knock yourself out. The set aside provides a wonderful opportunity for many kids without taking spots away from the program.

How does it not take spots away?

This.

Because it ADDS spots specifically for local kids.

No, it doesn't. The school that hosts the program sets aside spots which are in addition to the 100 spots for the program.

And how does that mean anything other than what I said? There are 100 spots up for grabs and 25 extra spots taken from the general population that are inbound for school. Ergo it doesn’t take anything away from anyone else.

Um, if they did not set aside seats for students from your one middle school, there would be 125 seats available to students from all the down county middle schools in the pool rather than 100.

No there's only room for 100 students from outside the boundary. It would overcrowd the school so it's not an option. Those seats come from the host school. It's really not that hard to comprehend. You just need to try a little harder.

I'm curious if this is 1 person spamming nonsense or if TP is full of rich people who can't think things through or can't handle admitting their privilege.

Even if the school were at capacity, the borders could be adjusted to make it not overcrowded.

I don’t think the person spamming is from Takoma park. They don’t seem to understand set asides and are insistent that their is kid missing out. There are several people responding to that spammer who keep trying to explain that the school can not add extra seats for out of boundary kids just because some nutter on DCUM wants them to. They aren’t smart enough to get that and want to say the same thing again and again. I can only conclude that they want those 25 spots removed so that no one gets to benefit from them if their kids can’t.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t think that MCPS has different levels of math classes until 4th grade, when compacted math 4/5 starts.

OP

at our MCPS elementary school they call one enriched and the other will only receive enrichment on an “as needed” basis.

Which school?

Takoma Park Elementary

This may be a holdover from prior years, then, and not representative of MCPS. TPES/PBES (K-2/3-5 pairing) was the sole (I think) GT program-type school for locals with cohorted differentiation in early grades. There are/were others (Stonegate?), but they were K-5, following the CES model for 4th & 5th grade, but for the local catchment only.

One of the many weirdnesses of TP. Espousing super-progressivism, but happy to hoard an opportunity like this that largely falls to those in TP with means.

It's not TP's fault that the other schools are run poorly.

Sure, but it is inner TP's progressive hypocrisy (not that I'm against reasonable progressivism, itself) for insisting on this paradigm (available only to them, and generally benefitting the high SES families) when the TP schools were opened up to the "greater TP" area (with significant low SES and immigrant populations). Not to mention the in-catchment reserve for the Math/Science/CS criteria-based MS program at TPMS that makes it about 4 times as likely for a TP student to be admitted as those from the lower county catchment for that program.

I know TP families have access to the best programs. We figured this out and moved there for that reason. Our kids went through the ES magnet, the CES program, the MS magnet, and even Blair SMCS magnet. A lot of families pick their homes because of the reputation of the school pyramid, nothing wrong with that...

It’s gatekeeping and hoarding resources, locked behind high priced homes, and all under the mantle of being a progressive area.

Then you should be happy that the magnet lottery now prefers students from low SES areas.

Except they didn’t get rid of the local set-aside. Those kids have their very own lottery for a significant number of the seats.

This is one of many reasons why families that value education choose TP.

What everyone is saying is what about families that value education but can’t afford to “choose TP?” Shouldn’t there be roughly equivalent access regardless of SES?

+1. I think the same access to programs and resources to implement those programs should be available at all MCPS schools.

TP is economically diverse, and much of it is very affordable I think it's great that an area like this is making a high-quality education available to everyone. The same can't be said about Western moco which isn't economically diverse and seems to revel in opportunity hoarding.

Except the special/set-aside opportunites in TP end up taken highly disproportionately by the high-SES families owning in relatively expensive SFH areas, not accruing to the lower SES families that give the overall area diversity, (although pocketed, geographically).

Get rid of the set-asides. Sometime I think that the combination of "That's why we chose TP!" and [whatever logical fallicy that amounts to "Don't heed the posts outlining systemic inequities."] is just a real estate agent or two trying to preserve the relative value of their commissions. Not that that behavior is exclusive to TP (see: Ws).

From what I've seen as a parent with kids who have gone through these programs, that's not true. TKPK is diverse, as are the students who participate in these programs, especially in comparison to those selected from the larger county. However, if it makes you feel good to believe otherwise, knock yourself out. The set aside provides a wonderful opportunity for many kids without taking spots away from the program.

How does it not take spots away?

This.

Because it ADDS spots specifically for local kids.

No, it doesn't. The school that hosts the program sets aside spots which are in addition to the 100 spots for the program.

And how does that mean anything other than what I said? There are 100 spots up for grabs and 25 extra spots taken from the general population that are inbound for school. Ergo it doesn’t take anything away from anyone else.

Um, if they did not set aside seats for students from your one middle school, there would be 125 seats available to students from all the down county middle schools in the pool rather than 100.

No there's only room for 100 students from outside the boundary. It would overcrowd the school so it's not an option. Those seats come from the host school. It's really not that hard to comprehend. You just need to try a little harder.

I'm curious if this is 1 person spamming nonsense or if TP is full of rich people who can't think things through or can't handle admitting their privilege.

Even if the school were at capacity, the borders could be adjusted to make it not overcrowded.

I don’t think the person spamming is from Takoma park. They don’t seem to understand set asides and are insistent that their is kid missing out. There are several people responding to that spammer who keep trying to explain that the school can not add extra seats for out of boundary kids just because some nutter on DCUM wants them to. They aren’t smart enough to get that and want to say the same thing again and again. I can only conclude that they want those 25 spots removed so that no one gets to benefit from them if their kids can’t.

Exactly, they have a serious case of Blair envy and if they were honest with themselves, they'd realize this stems from their regret for not being smart enough to buy into the great school opportunities in TKPK.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t think that MCPS has different levels of math classes until 4th grade, when compacted math 4/5 starts.

OP

at our MCPS elementary school they call one enriched and the other will only receive enrichment on an “as needed” basis.

Which school?

Takoma Park Elementary

This may be a holdover from prior years, then, and not representative of MCPS. TPES/PBES (K-2/3-5 pairing) was the sole (I think) GT program-type school for locals with cohorted differentiation in early grades. There are/were others (Stonegate?), but they were K-5, following the CES model for 4th & 5th grade, but for the local catchment only.

One of the many weirdnesses of TP. Espousing super-progressivism, but happy to hoard an opportunity like this that largely falls to those in TP with means.

It's not TP's fault that the other schools are run poorly.

Sure, but it is inner TP's progressive hypocrisy (not that I'm against reasonable progressivism, itself) for insisting on this paradigm (available only to them, and generally benefitting the high SES families) when the TP schools were opened up to the "greater TP" area (with significant low SES and immigrant populations). Not to mention the in-catchment reserve for the Math/Science/CS criteria-based MS program at TPMS that makes it about 4 times as likely for a TP student to be admitted as those from the lower county catchment for that program.

I know TP families have access to the best programs. We figured this out and moved there for that reason. Our kids went through the ES magnet, the CES program, the MS magnet, and even Blair SMCS magnet. A lot of families pick their homes because of the reputation of the school pyramid, nothing wrong with that...

It’s gatekeeping and hoarding resources, locked behind high priced homes, and all under the mantle of being a progressive area.

Then you should be happy that the magnet lottery now prefers students from low SES areas.

Except they didn’t get rid of the local set-aside. Those kids have their very own lottery for a significant number of the seats.

This is one of many reasons why families that value education choose TP.

What everyone is saying is what about families that value education but can’t afford to “choose TP?” Shouldn’t there be roughly equivalent access regardless of SES?

+1. I think the same access to programs and resources to implement those programs should be available at all MCPS schools.

TP is economically diverse, and much of it is very affordable I think it's great that an area like this is making a high-quality education available to everyone. The same can't be said about Western moco which isn't economically diverse and seems to revel in opportunity hoarding.

Except the special/set-aside opportunites in TP end up taken highly disproportionately by the high-SES families owning in relatively expensive SFH areas, not accruing to the lower SES families that give the overall area diversity, (although pocketed, geographically).

Get rid of the set-asides. Sometime I think that the combination of "That's why we chose TP!" and [whatever logical fallicy that amounts to "Don't heed the posts outlining systemic inequities."] is just a real estate agent or two trying to preserve the relative value of their commissions. Not that that behavior is exclusive to TP (see: Ws).

From what I've seen as a parent with kids who have gone through these programs, that's not true. TKPK is diverse, as are the students who participate in these programs, especially in comparison to those selected from the larger county. However, if it makes you feel good to believe otherwise, knock yourself out. The set aside provides a wonderful opportunity for many kids without taking spots away from the program.

How does it not take spots away?

This.

Because it ADDS spots specifically for local kids.

No, it doesn't. The school that hosts the program sets aside spots which are in addition to the 100 spots for the program.

And how does that mean anything other than what I said? There are 100 spots up for grabs and 25 extra spots taken from the general population that are inbound for school. Ergo it doesn’t take anything away from anyone else.

Um, if they did not set aside seats for students from your one middle school, there would be 125 seats available to students from all the down county middle schools in the pool rather than 100.

No there's only room for 100 students from outside the boundary. It would overcrowd the school so it's not an option. Those seats come from the host school. It's really not that hard to comprehend. You just need to try a little harder.

I'm curious if this is 1 person spamming nonsense or if TP is full of rich people who can't think things through or can't handle admitting their privilege.

Even if the school were at capacity, the borders could be adjusted to make it not overcrowded.

I don’t think the person spamming is from Takoma park. They don’t seem to understand set asides and are insistent that their is kid missing out. There are several people responding to that spammer who keep trying to explain that the school can not add extra seats for out of boundary kids just because some nutter on DCUM wants them to. They aren’t smart enough to get that and want to say the same thing again and again. I can only conclude that they want those 25 spots removed so that no one gets to benefit from them if their kids can’t.

Exactly, they have a serious case of Blair envy and if they were honest with themselves, they'd realize this stems from their regret for not being smart enough to buy into the great school opportunities in TKPK.

Blair envy? Blair’s programs don’t have any set aside for in boundary kids. This is about the program at TPMS.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t think that MCPS has different levels of math classes until 4th grade, when compacted math 4/5 starts.

OP

at our MCPS elementary school they call one enriched and the other will only receive enrichment on an “as needed” basis.

Which school?

Takoma Park Elementary

This may be a holdover from prior years, then, and not representative of MCPS. TPES/PBES (K-2/3-5 pairing) was the sole (I think) GT program-type school for locals with cohorted differentiation in early grades. There are/were others (Stonegate?), but they were K-5, following the CES model for 4th & 5th grade, but for the local catchment only.

One of the many weirdnesses of TP. Espousing super-progressivism, but happy to hoard an opportunity like this that largely falls to those in TP with means.

It's not TP's fault that the other schools are run poorly.

Sure, but it is inner TP's progressive hypocrisy (not that I'm against reasonable progressivism, itself) for insisting on this paradigm (available only to them, and generally benefitting the high SES families) when the TP schools were opened up to the "greater TP" area (with significant low SES and immigrant populations). Not to mention the in-catchment reserve for the Math/Science/CS criteria-based MS program at TPMS that makes it about 4 times as likely for a TP student to be admitted as those from the lower county catchment for that program.

I know TP families have access to the best programs. We figured this out and moved there for that reason. Our kids went through the ES magnet, the CES program, the MS magnet, and even Blair SMCS magnet. A lot of families pick their homes because of the reputation of the school pyramid, nothing wrong with that...

It’s gatekeeping and hoarding resources, locked behind high priced homes, and all under the mantle of being a progressive area.

Then you should be happy that the magnet lottery now prefers students from low SES areas.

Except they didn’t get rid of the local set-aside. Those kids have their very own lottery for a significant number of the seats.

This is one of many reasons why families that value education choose TP.

What everyone is saying is what about families that value education but can’t afford to “choose TP?” Shouldn’t there be roughly equivalent access regardless of SES?

+1. I think the same access to programs and resources to implement those programs should be available at all MCPS schools.

TP is economically diverse, and much of it is very affordable I think it's great that an area like this is making a high-quality education available to everyone. The same can't be said about Western moco which isn't economically diverse and seems to revel in opportunity hoarding.

Except the special/set-aside opportunites in TP end up taken highly disproportionately by the high-SES families owning in relatively expensive SFH areas, not accruing to the lower SES families that give the overall area diversity, (although pocketed, geographically).

Get rid of the set-asides. Sometime I think that the combination of "That's why we chose TP!" and [whatever logical fallicy that amounts to "Don't heed the posts outlining systemic inequities."] is just a real estate agent or two trying to preserve the relative value of their commissions. Not that that behavior is exclusive to TP (see: Ws).

From what I've seen as a parent with kids who have gone through these programs, that's not true. TKPK is diverse, as are the students who participate in these programs, especially in comparison to those selected from the larger county. However, if it makes you feel good to believe otherwise, knock yourself out. The set aside provides a wonderful opportunity for many kids without taking spots away from the program.

How does it not take spots away?

This.

Because it ADDS spots specifically for local kids.

No, it doesn't. The school that hosts the program sets aside spots which are in addition to the 100 spots for the program.

And how does that mean anything other than what I said? There are 100 spots up for grabs and 25 extra spots taken from the general population that are inbound for school. Ergo it doesn’t take anything away from anyone else.

Um, if they did not set aside seats for students from your one middle school, there would be 125 seats available to students from all the down county middle schools in the pool rather than 100.

No there's only room for 100 students from outside the boundary. It would overcrowd the school so it's not an option. Those seats come from the host school. It's really not that hard to comprehend. You just need to try a little harder.

I'm curious if this is 1 person spamming nonsense or if TP is full of rich people who can't think things through or can't handle admitting their privilege.

Even if the school were at capacity, the borders could be adjusted to make it not overcrowded.

I don’t think the person spamming is from Takoma park. They don’t seem to understand set asides and are insistent that their is kid missing out. There are several people responding to that spammer who keep trying to explain that the school can not add extra seats for out of boundary kids just because some nutter on DCUM wants them to. They aren’t smart enough to get that and want to say the same thing again and again. I can only conclude that they want those 25 spots removed so that no one gets to benefit from them if their kids can’t.

Exactly, they have a serious case of Blair envy and if they were honest with themselves, they'd realize this stems from their regret for not being smart enough to buy into the great school opportunities in TKPK.

Blair envy? Blair’s programs don’t have any set aside for in boundary kids. This is about the program at TPMS.

That's what they tell you but there is a disproportionate number of local kids in these programs because of all the advantages they get from K-8 preparing them for it.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t think that MCPS has different levels of math classes until 4th grade, when compacted math 4/5 starts.

OP

at our MCPS elementary school they call one enriched and the other will only receive enrichment on an “as needed” basis.

Which school?

Takoma Park Elementary

This may be a holdover from prior years, then, and not representative of MCPS. TPES/PBES (K-2/3-5 pairing) was the sole (I think) GT program-type school for locals with cohorted differentiation in early grades. There are/were others (Stonegate?), but they were K-5, following the CES model for 4th & 5th grade, but for the local catchment only.

One of the many weirdnesses of TP. Espousing super-progressivism, but happy to hoard an opportunity like this that largely falls to those in TP with means.

It's not TP's fault that the other schools are run poorly.

Sure, but it is inner TP's progressive hypocrisy (not that I'm against reasonable progressivism, itself) for insisting on this paradigm (available only to them, and generally benefitting the high SES families) when the TP schools were opened up to the "greater TP" area (with significant low SES and immigrant populations). Not to mention the in-catchment reserve for the Math/Science/CS criteria-based MS program at TPMS that makes it about 4 times as likely for a TP student to be admitted as those from the lower county catchment for that program.

I know TP families have access to the best programs. We figured this out and moved there for that reason. Our kids went through the ES magnet, the CES program, the MS magnet, and even Blair SMCS magnet. A lot of families pick their homes because of the reputation of the school pyramid, nothing wrong with that...

It’s gatekeeping and hoarding resources, locked behind high priced homes, and all under the mantle of being a progressive area.

Then you should be happy that the magnet lottery now prefers students from low SES areas.

Except they didn’t get rid of the local set-aside. Those kids have their very own lottery for a significant number of the seats.

This is one of many reasons why families that value education choose TP.

What everyone is saying is what about families that value education but can’t afford to “choose TP?” Shouldn’t there be roughly equivalent access regardless of SES?

+1. I think the same access to programs and resources to implement those programs should be available at all MCPS schools.

TP is economically diverse, and much of it is very affordable I think it's great that an area like this is making a high-quality education available to everyone. The same can't be said about Western moco which isn't economically diverse and seems to revel in opportunity hoarding.

Except the special/set-aside opportunites in TP end up taken highly disproportionately by the high-SES families owning in relatively expensive SFH areas, not accruing to the lower SES families that give the overall area diversity, (although pocketed, geographically).

Get rid of the set-asides. Sometime I think that the combination of "That's why we chose TP!" and [whatever logical fallicy that amounts to "Don't heed the posts outlining systemic inequities."] is just a real estate agent or two trying to preserve the relative value of their commissions. Not that that behavior is exclusive to TP (see: Ws).

From what I've seen as a parent with kids who have gone through these programs, that's not true. TKPK is diverse, as are the students who participate in these programs, especially in comparison to those selected from the larger county. However, if it makes you feel good to believe otherwise, knock yourself out. The set aside provides a wonderful opportunity for many kids without taking spots away from the program.

How does it not take spots away?

This.

Because it ADDS spots specifically for local kids.

No, it doesn't. The school that hosts the program sets aside spots which are in addition to the 100 spots for the program.

And how does that mean anything other than what I said? There are 100 spots up for grabs and 25 extra spots taken from the general population that are inbound for school. Ergo it doesn’t take anything away from anyone else.

Um, if they did not set aside seats for students from your one middle school, there would be 125 seats available to students from all the down county middle schools in the pool rather than 100.

No there's only room for 100 students from outside the boundary. It would overcrowd the school so it's not an option. Those seats come from the host school. It's really not that hard to comprehend. You just need to try a little harder.

I'm curious if this is 1 person spamming nonsense or if TP is full of rich people who can't think things through or can't handle admitting their privilege.

Even if the school were at capacity, the borders could be adjusted to make it not overcrowded.

I don’t think the person spamming is from Takoma park. They don’t seem to understand set asides and are insistent that their is kid missing out. There are several people responding to that spammer who keep trying to explain that the school can not add extra seats for out of boundary kids just because some nutter on DCUM wants them to. They aren’t smart enough to get that and want to say the same thing again and again. I can only conclude that they want those 25 spots removed so that no one gets to benefit from them if their kids can’t.

Exactly, they have a serious case of Blair envy and if they were honest with themselves, they'd realize this stems from their regret for not being smart enough to buy into the great school opportunities in TKPK.

Blair envy? Blair’s programs don’t have any set aside for in boundary kids. This is about the program at TPMS.

That's what they tell you but there is a disproportionate number of local kids in these programs because of all the advantages they get from K-8 preparing them for it.

More likely because of proximity to school. They are more likely to apply and more likely to accept if Blair is already their home school and they don’t have to leave friends or endure a long bus ride.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t think that MCPS has different levels of math classes until 4th grade, when compacted math 4/5 starts.

OP

at our MCPS elementary school they call one enriched and the other will only receive enrichment on an “as needed” basis.

Which school?

Takoma Park Elementary

This may be a holdover from prior years, then, and not representative of MCPS. TPES/PBES (K-2/3-5 pairing) was the sole (I think) GT program-type school for locals with cohorted differentiation in early grades. There are/were others (Stonegate?), but they were K-5, following the CES model for 4th & 5th grade, but for the local catchment only.

One of the many weirdnesses of TP. Espousing super-progressivism, but happy to hoard an opportunity like this that largely falls to those in TP with means.

It's not TP's fault that the other schools are run poorly.

Sure, but it is inner TP's progressive hypocrisy (not that I'm against reasonable progressivism, itself) for insisting on this paradigm (available only to them, and generally benefitting the high SES families) when the TP schools were opened up to the "greater TP" area (with significant low SES and immigrant populations). Not to mention the in-catchment reserve for the Math/Science/CS criteria-based MS program at TPMS that makes it about 4 times as likely for a TP student to be admitted as those from the lower county catchment for that program.

I know TP families have access to the best programs. We figured this out and moved there for that reason. Our kids went through the ES magnet, the CES program, the MS magnet, and even Blair SMCS magnet. A lot of families pick their homes because of the reputation of the school pyramid, nothing wrong with that...

It’s gatekeeping and hoarding resources, locked behind high priced homes, and all under the mantle of being a progressive area.

Then you should be happy that the magnet lottery now prefers students from low SES areas.

Except they didn’t get rid of the local set-aside. Those kids have their very own lottery for a significant number of the seats.

This is one of many reasons why families that value education choose TP.

What everyone is saying is what about families that value education but can’t afford to “choose TP?” Shouldn’t there be roughly equivalent access regardless of SES?

+1. I think the same access to programs and resources to implement those programs should be available at all MCPS schools.

TP is economically diverse, and much of it is very affordable I think it's great that an area like this is making a high-quality education available to everyone. The same can't be said about Western moco which isn't economically diverse and seems to revel in opportunity hoarding.

Except the special/set-aside opportunites in TP end up taken highly disproportionately by the high-SES families owning in relatively expensive SFH areas, not accruing to the lower SES families that give the overall area diversity, (although pocketed, geographically).

Get rid of the set-asides. Sometime I think that the combination of "That's why we chose TP!" and [whatever logical fallicy that amounts to "Don't heed the posts outlining systemic inequities."] is just a real estate agent or two trying to preserve the relative value of their commissions. Not that that behavior is exclusive to TP (see: Ws).

From what I've seen as a parent with kids who have gone through these programs, that's not true. TKPK is diverse, as are the students who participate in these programs, especially in comparison to those selected from the larger county. However, if it makes you feel good to believe otherwise, knock yourself out. The set aside provides a wonderful opportunity for many kids without taking spots away from the program.

How does it not take spots away?

This.

Because it ADDS spots specifically for local kids.

No, it doesn't. The school that hosts the program sets aside spots which are in addition to the 100 spots for the program.

And how does that mean anything other than what I said? There are 100 spots up for grabs and 25 extra spots taken from the general population that are inbound for school. Ergo it doesn’t take anything away from anyone else.

Um, if they did not set aside seats for students from your one middle school, there would be 125 seats available to students from all the down county middle schools in the pool rather than 100.

No there's only room for 100 students from outside the boundary. It would overcrowd the school so it's not an option. Those seats come from the host school. It's really not that hard to comprehend. You just need to try a little harder.

I'm curious if this is 1 person spamming nonsense or if TP is full of rich people who can't think things through or can't handle admitting their privilege.

Even if the school were at capacity, the borders could be adjusted to make it not overcrowded.

I don’t think the person spamming is from Takoma park. They don’t seem to understand set asides and are insistent that their is kid missing out. There are several people responding to that spammer who keep trying to explain that the school can not add extra seats for out of boundary kids just because some nutter on DCUM wants them to. They aren’t smart enough to get that and want to say the same thing again and again. I can only conclude that they want those 25 spots removed so that no one gets to benefit from them if their kids can’t.

Exactly, they have a serious case of Blair envy and if they were honest with themselves, they'd realize this stems from their regret for not being smart enough to buy into the great school opportunities in TKPK.

Blair envy? Blair’s programs don’t have any set aside for in boundary kids. This is about the program at TPMS.

That's what they tell you but there is a disproportionate number of local kids in these programs because of all the advantages they get from K-8 preparing them for it.

More likely because of proximity to school. They are more likely to apply and more likely to accept if Blair is already their home school and they don’t have to leave friends or endure a long bus ride.

+1 It works in the other direction as well. I know TP kids who were accepted to RMIB and turned it down because of the commute. Those kids ended up at Blair CAP and Blair magnet. Some kids want to deal with the commute and some kids don't, but it shouldn't be a surprise that distance is a factor when some kids are comparing their options.

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at our MCPS elementary school they call one enriched and the other will only receive enrichment on an “as needed” basis.

Which school?

Takoma Park Elementary

This may be a holdover from prior years, then, and not representative of MCPS. TPES/PBES (K-2/3-5 pairing) was the sole (I think) GT program-type school for locals with cohorted differentiation in early grades. There are/were others (Stonegate?), but they were K-5, following the CES model for 4th & 5th grade, but for the local catchment only.

One of the many weirdnesses of TP. Espousing super-progressivism, but happy to hoard an opportunity like this that largely falls to those in TP with means.

It's not TP's fault that the other schools are run poorly.

Sure, but it is inner TP's progressive hypocrisy (not that I'm against reasonable progressivism, itself) for insisting on this paradigm (available only to them, and generally benefitting the high SES families) when the TP schools were opened up to the "greater TP" area (with significant low SES and immigrant populations). Not to mention the in-catchment reserve for the Math/Science/CS criteria-based MS program at TPMS that makes it about 4 times as likely for a TP student to be admitted as those from the lower county catchment for that program.

I know TP families have access to the best programs. We figured this out and moved there for that reason. Our kids went through the ES magnet, the CES program, the MS magnet, and even Blair SMCS magnet. A lot of families pick their homes because of the reputation of the school pyramid, nothing wrong with that...

It’s gatekeeping and hoarding resources, locked behind high priced homes, and all under the mantle of being a progressive area.

Then you should be happy that the magnet lottery now prefers students from low SES areas.

Except they didn’t get rid of the local set-aside. Those kids have their very own lottery for a significant number of the seats.

This is one of many reasons why families that value education choose TP.

What everyone is saying is what about families that value education but can’t afford to “choose TP?” Shouldn’t there be roughly equivalent access regardless of SES?

+1. I think the same access to programs and resources to implement those programs should be available at all MCPS schools.

TP is economically diverse, and much of it is very affordable I think it's great that an area like this is making a high-quality education available to everyone. The same can't be said about Western moco which isn't economically diverse and seems to revel in opportunity hoarding.

Except the special/set-aside opportunites in TP end up taken highly disproportionately by the high-SES families owning in relatively expensive SFH areas, not accruing to the lower SES families that give the overall area diversity, (although pocketed, geographically).

Get rid of the set-asides. Sometime I think that the combination of "That's why we chose TP!" and [whatever logical fallicy that amounts to "Don't heed the posts outlining systemic inequities."] is just a real estate agent or two trying to preserve the relative value of their commissions. Not that that behavior is exclusive to TP (see: Ws).

From what I've seen as a parent with kids who have gone through these programs, that's not true. TKPK is diverse, as are the students who participate in these programs, especially in comparison to those selected from the larger county. However, if it makes you feel good to believe otherwise, knock yourself out. The set aside provides a wonderful opportunity for many kids without taking spots away from the program.

How does it not take spots away?

This.

Because it ADDS spots specifically for local kids.

No, it doesn't. The school that hosts the program sets aside spots which are in addition to the 100 spots for the program.

And how does that mean anything other than what I said? There are 100 spots up for grabs and 25 extra spots taken from the general population that are inbound for school. Ergo it doesn’t take anything away from anyone else.

Um, if they did not set aside seats for students from your one middle school, there would be 125 seats available to students from all the down county middle schools in the pool rather than 100.

No there's only room for 100 students from outside the boundary. It would overcrowd the school so it's not an option. Those seats come from the host school. It's really not that hard to comprehend. You just need to try a little harder.

I'm curious if this is 1 person spamming nonsense or if TP is full of rich people who can't think things through or can't handle admitting their privilege.

Even if the school were at capacity, the borders could be adjusted to make it not overcrowded.

I don’t think the person spamming is from Takoma park. They don’t seem to understand set asides and are insistent that their is kid missing out. There are several people responding to that spammer who keep trying to explain that the school can not add extra seats for out of boundary kids just because some nutter on DCUM wants them to. They aren’t smart enough to get that and want to say the same thing again and again. I can only conclude that they want those 25 spots removed so that no one gets to benefit from them if their kids can’t.

Are you continuing the gag? The took the same side of the argument as the TP spammer.

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Anonymous wrote:What is the maximum score for MAP Math test for 2nd grader if anyone knows? I have never seen MAP reading score for K to 1st grade, do they have reading assessment for kids for 2nd grade?

There is maximum in any meaningful sense. It's higher than anyone has ever scored.

K-2 takes a MAP-P primary test.
MAP-R reading starts in 3rd grade. They have other literacy assessments.

Thank you for the answer.

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OP

at our MCPS elementary school they call one enriched and the other will only receive enrichment on an “as needed” basis.

Which school?

Takoma Park Elementary

This may be a holdover from prior years, then, and not representative of MCPS. TPES/PBES (K-2/3-5 pairing) was the sole (I think) GT program-type school for locals with cohorted differentiation in early grades. There are/were others (Stonegate?), but they were K-5, following the CES model for 4th & 5th grade, but for the local catchment only.

One of the many weirdnesses of TP. Espousing super-progressivism, but happy to hoard an opportunity like this that largely falls to those in TP with means.

It's not TP's fault that the other schools are run poorly.

Sure, but it is inner TP's progressive hypocrisy (not that I'm against reasonable progressivism, itself) for insisting on this paradigm (available only to them, and generally benefitting the high SES families) when the TP schools were opened up to the "greater TP" area (with significant low SES and immigrant populations). Not to mention the in-catchment reserve for the Math/Science/CS criteria-based MS program at TPMS that makes it about 4 times as likely for a TP student to be admitted as those from the lower county catchment for that program.

I know TP families have access to the best programs. We figured this out and moved there for that reason. Our kids went through the ES magnet, the CES program, the MS magnet, and even Blair SMCS magnet. A lot of families pick their homes because of the reputation of the school pyramid, nothing wrong with that...

It’s gatekeeping and hoarding resources, locked behind high priced homes, and all under the mantle of being a progressive area.

Then you should be happy that the magnet lottery now prefers students from low SES areas.

Except they didn’t get rid of the local set-aside. Those kids have their very own lottery for a significant number of the seats.

This is one of many reasons why families that value education choose TP.

What everyone is saying is what about families that value education but can’t afford to “choose TP?” Shouldn’t there be roughly equivalent access regardless of SES?

+1. I think the same access to programs and resources to implement those programs should be available at all MCPS schools.

TP is economically diverse, and much of it is very affordable I think it's great that an area like this is making a high-quality education available to everyone. The same can't be said about Western moco which isn't economically diverse and seems to revel in opportunity hoarding.

Except the special/set-aside opportunites in TP end up taken highly disproportionately by the high-SES families owning in relatively expensive SFH areas, not accruing to the lower SES families that give the overall area diversity, (although pocketed, geographically).

Get rid of the set-asides. Sometime I think that the combination of "That's why we chose TP!" and [whatever logical fallicy that amounts to "Don't heed the posts outlining systemic inequities."] is just a real estate agent or two trying to preserve the relative value of their commissions. Not that that behavior is exclusive to TP (see: Ws).

From what I've seen as a parent with kids who have gone through these programs, that's not true. TKPK is diverse, as are the students who participate in these programs, especially in comparison to those selected from the larger county. However, if it makes you feel good to believe otherwise, knock yourself out. The set aside provides a wonderful opportunity for many kids without taking spots away from the program.

How does it not take spots away?

This.

Because it ADDS spots specifically for local kids.

No, it doesn't. The school that hosts the program sets aside spots which are in addition to the 100 spots for the program.

And how does that mean anything other than what I said? There are 100 spots up for grabs and 25 extra spots taken from the general population that are inbound for school. Ergo it doesn’t take anything away from anyone else.

Um, if they did not set aside seats for students from your one middle school, there would be 125 seats available to students from all the down county middle schools in the pool rather than 100.

No there's only room for 100 students from outside the boundary. It would overcrowd the school so it's not an option. Those seats come from the host school. It's really not that hard to comprehend. You just need to try a little harder.

I'm curious if this is 1 person spamming nonsense or if TP is full of rich people who can't think things through or can't handle admitting their privilege.

Even if the school were at capacity, the borders could be adjusted to make it not overcrowded.

I don’t think the person spamming is from Takoma park. They don’t seem to understand set asides and are insistent that their is kid missing out. There are several people responding to that spammer who keep trying to explain that the school can not add extra seats for out of boundary kids just because some nutter on DCUM wants them to. They aren’t smart enough to get that and want to say the same thing again and again. I can only conclude that they want those 25 spots removed so that no one gets to benefit from them if their kids can’t.

Are you continuing the gag? The took the same side of the argument as the TP spammer.

You must be confused. The only spamming has been from the poster who keeps insisting that places are being taken away from others. Posting the same thing over and over.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t think that MCPS has different levels of math classes until 4th grade, when compacted math 4/5 starts.

OP

at our MCPS elementary school they call one enriched and the other will only receive enrichment on an “as needed” basis.

Which school?

Takoma Park Elementary

This may be a holdover from prior years, then, and not representative of MCPS. TPES/PBES (K-2/3-5 pairing) was the sole (I think) GT program-type school for locals with cohorted differentiation in early grades. There are/were others (Stonegate?), but they were K-5, following the CES model for 4th & 5th grade, but for the local catchment only.

One of the many weirdnesses of TP. Espousing super-progressivism, but happy to hoard an opportunity like this that largely falls to those in TP with means.

It's not TP's fault that the other schools are run poorly.

Sure, but it is inner TP's progressive hypocrisy (not that I'm against reasonable progressivism, itself) for insisting on this paradigm (available only to them, and generally benefitting the high SES families) when the TP schools were opened up to the "greater TP" area (with significant low SES and immigrant populations). Not to mention the in-catchment reserve for the Math/Science/CS criteria-based MS program at TPMS that makes it about 4 times as likely for a TP student to be admitted as those from the lower county catchment for that program.

I know TP families have access to the best programs. We figured this out and moved there for that reason. Our kids went through the ES magnet, the CES program, the MS magnet, and even Blair SMCS magnet. A lot of families pick their homes because of the reputation of the school pyramid, nothing wrong with that...

It’s gatekeeping and hoarding resources, locked behind high priced homes, and all under the mantle of being a progressive area.

Then you should be happy that the magnet lottery now prefers students from low SES areas.

Except they didn’t get rid of the local set-aside. Those kids have their very own lottery for a significant number of the seats.

This is one of many reasons why families that value education choose TP.

What everyone is saying is what about families that value education but can’t afford to “choose TP?” Shouldn’t there be roughly equivalent access regardless of SES?

+1. I think the same access to programs and resources to implement those programs should be available at all MCPS schools.

TP is economically diverse, and much of it is very affordable I think it's great that an area like this is making a high-quality education available to everyone. The same can't be said about Western moco which isn't economically diverse and seems to revel in opportunity hoarding.

Except the special/set-aside opportunites in TP end up taken highly disproportionately by the high-SES families owning in relatively expensive SFH areas, not accruing to the lower SES families that give the overall area diversity, (although pocketed, geographically).

Get rid of the set-asides. Sometime I think that the combination of "That's why we chose TP!" and [whatever logical fallicy that amounts to "Don't heed the posts outlining systemic inequities."] is just a real estate agent or two trying to preserve the relative value of their commissions. Not that that behavior is exclusive to TP (see: Ws).

From what I've seen as a parent with kids who have gone through these programs, that's not true. TKPK is diverse, as are the students who participate in these programs, especially in comparison to those selected from the larger county. However, if it makes you feel good to believe otherwise, knock yourself out. The set aside provides a wonderful opportunity for many kids without taking spots away from the program.

How does it not take spots away?

This.

Because it ADDS spots specifically for local kids.

No, it doesn't. The school that hosts the program sets aside spots which are in addition to the 100 spots for the program.

And how does that mean anything other than what I said? There are 100 spots up for grabs and 25 extra spots taken from the general population that are inbound for school. Ergo it doesn’t take anything away from anyone else.

Um, if they did not set aside seats for students from your one middle school, there would be 125 seats available to students from all the down county middle schools in the pool rather than 100.

No there's only room for 100 students from outside the boundary. It would overcrowd the school so it's not an option. Those seats come from the host school. It's really not that hard to comprehend. You just need to try a little harder.

I'm curious if this is 1 person spamming nonsense or if TP is full of rich people who can't think things through or can't handle admitting their privilege.

Even if the school were at capacity, the borders could be adjusted to make it not overcrowded.

I don’t think the person spamming is from Takoma park. They don’t seem to understand set asides and are insistent that their is kid missing out. There are several people responding to that spammer who keep trying to explain that the school can not add extra seats for out of boundary kids just because some nutter on DCUM wants them to. They aren’t smart enough to get that and want to say the same thing again and again. I can only conclude that they want those 25 spots removed so that no one gets to benefit from them if their kids can’t.

Are you continuing the gag? The took the same side of the argument as the TP spammer.

You must be confused. The only spamming has been from the poster who keeps insisting that places are being taken away from others. Posting the same thing over and over.

It's impossible to take spammer seriously because they make no sense.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t think that MCPS has different levels of math classes until 4th grade, when compacted math 4/5 starts.

OP

at our MCPS elementary school they call one enriched and the other will only receive enrichment on an “as needed” basis.

Which school?

Takoma Park Elementary

This may be a holdover from prior years, then, and not representative of MCPS. TPES/PBES (K-2/3-5 pairing) was the sole (I think) GT program-type school for locals with cohorted differentiation in early grades. There are/were others (Stonegate?), but they were K-5, following the CES model for 4th & 5th grade, but for the local catchment only.

One of the many weirdnesses of TP. Espousing super-progressivism, but happy to hoard an opportunity like this that largely falls to those in TP with means.

It's not TP's fault that the other schools are run poorly.

Sure, but it is inner TP's progressive hypocrisy (not that I'm against reasonable progressivism, itself) for insisting on this paradigm (available only to them, and generally benefitting the high SES families) when the TP schools were opened up to the "greater TP" area (with significant low SES and immigrant populations). Not to mention the in-catchment reserve for the Math/Science/CS criteria-based MS program at TPMS that makes it about 4 times as likely for a TP student to be admitted as those from the lower county catchment for that program.

I know TP families have access to the best programs. We figured this out and moved there for that reason. Our kids went through the ES magnet, the CES program, the MS magnet, and even Blair SMCS magnet. A lot of families pick their homes because of the reputation of the school pyramid, nothing wrong with that...

It’s gatekeeping and hoarding resources, locked behind high priced homes, and all under the mantle of being a progressive area.

Then you should be happy that the magnet lottery now prefers students from low SES areas.

Except they didn’t get rid of the local set-aside. Those kids have their very own lottery for a significant number of the seats.

This is one of many reasons why families that value education choose TP.

What everyone is saying is what about families that value education but can’t afford to “choose TP?” Shouldn’t there be roughly equivalent access regardless of SES?

+1. I think the same access to programs and resources to implement those programs should be available at all MCPS schools.

TP is economically diverse, and much of it is very affordable I think it's great that an area like this is making a high-quality education available to everyone. The same can't be said about Western moco which isn't economically diverse and seems to revel in opportunity hoarding.

Except the special/set-aside opportunites in TP end up taken highly disproportionately by the high-SES families owning in relatively expensive SFH areas, not accruing to the lower SES families that give the overall area diversity, (although pocketed, geographically).

Get rid of the set-asides. Sometime I think that the combination of "That's why we chose TP!" and [whatever logical fallicy that amounts to "Don't heed the posts outlining systemic inequities."] is just a real estate agent or two trying to preserve the relative value of their commissions. Not that that behavior is exclusive to TP (see: Ws).

From what I've seen as a parent with kids who have gone through these programs, that's not true. TKPK is diverse, as are the students who participate in these programs, especially in comparison to those selected from the larger county. However, if it makes you feel good to believe otherwise, knock yourself out. The set aside provides a wonderful opportunity for many kids without taking spots away from the program.

How does it not take spots away?

This.

Because it ADDS spots specifically for local kids.

No, it doesn't. The school that hosts the program sets aside spots which are in addition to the 100 spots for the program.

And how does that mean anything other than what I said? There are 100 spots up for grabs and 25 extra spots taken from the general population that are inbound for school. Ergo it doesn’t take anything away from anyone else.

Are you joking? That's 100 spots for the country and 25 spots not for the county because they are reserved for TP. Ergo, 25 of 125 spots are taken from everyone else.

Not at all. The program only has 100 spots.

BS. They don't have one program for 100 students and a different program for the other 25 that come from inside the TPMS boundary. They all attend the same magnet classes together.

They have one program with 125 seats. There ia a set-aside of 25 seats within that program for those in the local catchment.

That'd be fine if that and the 100 south-part-of-the-county-but-not-zoned-for-TPMS seats were roughly proportional to the respective student populations, but the set-aside is something like 4 times higher as a proportion, giving those in TP that much greater chance of getting in, all other factors being equal.

TP doesn't have its own schools. They are part of MCPS. MCPS shouldn't be favoring some families over others just based on zip code.

BTW, I love the don't-pay-attention-to-them, CCP-like sock-puppet chatter, here, without substantive argument ("It's just one spammer!" "I know! They must be disturbed." "Blair envy!" and the tell-tale "They can't be taken seriously because they make no sense!"). Red herrings, strawmen and other logical fallacies of rhetoric abound. Reminds me of the bad old Craigslist forum days.

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Anonymous wrote:My son (1st grade) scored 95th percentile on MAP test math in the spring. He was placed in the lower of the two math classes for second grade and I was told the higher math class is for kids that scored 98/99 percentile. I’m just curious if that is generally how it works, mid 90s is considered “on grade level”.

I think they're helpful to compare National strata, District and School strata plus your own kids' scores.

Obviously national averages are a pretty low bar. Since the average student is illiterate and 2-3 grade levels behind.

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Pre Covid on the 2015 norms, MCPS median was 10 pts above national norms. Since 2020 norms in 2020, they are nearly identical. No idea why or how other districts trended.

School norma aren't published.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t think that MCPS has different levels of math classes until 4th grade, when compacted math 4/5 starts.

OP

at our MCPS elementary school they call one enriched and the other will only receive enrichment on an “as needed” basis.

Which school?

Takoma Park Elementary

This may be a holdover from prior years, then, and not representative of MCPS. TPES/PBES (K-2/3-5 pairing) was the sole (I think) GT program-type school for locals with cohorted differentiation in early grades. There are/were others (Stonegate?), but they were K-5, following the CES model for 4th & 5th grade, but for the local catchment only.

One of the many weirdnesses of TP. Espousing super-progressivism, but happy to hoard an opportunity like this that largely falls to those in TP with means.

It's not TP's fault that the other schools are run poorly.

Sure, but it is inner TP's progressive hypocrisy (not that I'm against reasonable progressivism, itself) for insisting on this paradigm (available only to them, and generally benefitting the high SES families) when the TP schools were opened up to the "greater TP" area (with significant low SES and immigrant populations). Not to mention the in-catchment reserve for the Math/Science/CS criteria-based MS program at TPMS that makes it about 4 times as likely for a TP student to be admitted as those from the lower county catchment for that program.

I know TP families have access to the best programs. We figured this out and moved there for that reason. Our kids went through the ES magnet, the CES program, the MS magnet, and even Blair SMCS magnet. A lot of families pick their homes because of the reputation of the school pyramid, nothing wrong with that...

It’s gatekeeping and hoarding resources, locked behind high priced homes, and all under the mantle of being a progressive area.

Then you should be happy that the magnet lottery now prefers students from low SES areas.

Except they didn’t get rid of the local set-aside. Those kids have their very own lottery for a significant number of the seats.

This is one of many reasons why families that value education choose TP.

What everyone is saying is what about families that value education but can’t afford to “choose TP?” Shouldn’t there be roughly equivalent access regardless of SES?

+1. I think the same access to programs and resources to implement those programs should be available at all MCPS schools.

TP is economically diverse, and much of it is very affordable I think it's great that an area like this is making a high-quality education available to everyone. The same can't be said about Western moco which isn't economically diverse and seems to revel in opportunity hoarding.

Except the special/set-aside opportunites in TP end up taken highly disproportionately by the high-SES families owning in relatively expensive SFH areas, not accruing to the lower SES families that give the overall area diversity, (although pocketed, geographically).

Get rid of the set-asides. Sometime I think that the combination of "That's why we chose TP!" and [whatever logical fallicy that amounts to "Don't heed the posts outlining systemic inequities."] is just a real estate agent or two trying to preserve the relative value of their commissions. Not that that behavior is exclusive to TP (see: Ws).

From what I've seen as a parent with kids who have gone through these programs, that's not true. TKPK is diverse, as are the students who participate in these programs, especially in comparison to those selected from the larger county. However, if it makes you feel good to believe otherwise, knock yourself out. The set aside provides a wonderful opportunity for many kids without taking spots away from the program.

How does it not take spots away?

This.

Because it ADDS spots specifically for local kids.

No, it doesn't. The school that hosts the program sets aside spots which are in addition to the 100 spots for the program.

And how does that mean anything other than what I said? There are 100 spots up for grabs and 25 extra spots taken from the general population that are inbound for school. Ergo it doesn’t take anything away from anyone else.

Um, if they did not set aside seats for students from your one middle school, there would be 125 seats available to students from all the down county middle schools in the pool rather than 100.

No there's only room for 100 students from outside the boundary. It would overcrowd the school so it's not an option. Those seats come from the host school. It's really not that hard to comprehend. You just need to try a little harder.

I'm curious if this is 1 person spamming nonsense or if TP is full of rich people who can't think things through or can't handle admitting their privilege.

Even if the school were at capacity, the borders could be adjusted to make it not overcrowded.

I don’t think the person spamming is from Takoma park. They don’t seem to understand set asides and are insistent that their is kid missing out. There are several people responding to that spammer who keep trying to explain that the school can not add extra seats for out of boundary kids just because some nutter on DCUM wants them to. They aren’t smart enough to get that and want to say the same thing again and again. I can only conclude that they want those 25 spots removed so that no one gets to benefit from them if their kids can’t.

Are you continuing the gag? The took the same side of the argument as the TP spammer.

You must be confused. The only spamming has been from the poster who keeps insisting that places are being taken away from others. Posting the same thing over and over.

It's impossible to take spammer seriously because they make no sense.

True, the program has only 100 slots. The rest come from the school.

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Anonymous wrote:Pre Covid on the 2015 norms, MCPS median was 10 pts above national norms. Since 2020 norms in 2020, they are nearly identical. No idea why or how other districts trended.

School norma aren't published.

The data that was released about lottery selection shows there's a fairly big difference between schools based on FARMs rate.