Are the MAP score percentiles meaningful?

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t think that MCPS has different levels of math classes until 4th grade, when compacted math 4/5 starts.

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at our MCPS elementary school they call one enriched and the other will only receive enrichment on an “as needed” basis.

Which school?

Takoma Park Elementary

This may be a holdover from prior years, then, and not representative of MCPS. TPES/PBES (K-2/3-5 pairing) was the sole (I think) GT program-type school for locals with cohorted differentiation in early grades. There are/were others (Stonegate?), but they were K-5, following the CES model for 4th & 5th grade, but for the local catchment only.

One of the many weirdnesses of TP. Espousing super-progressivism, but happy to hoard an opportunity like this that largely falls to those in TP with means.

It's not TP's fault that the other schools are run poorly.

Sure, but it is inner TP's progressive hypocrisy (not that I'm against reasonable progressivism, itself) for insisting on this paradigm (available only to them, and generally benefitting the high SES families) when the TP schools were opened up to the "greater TP" area (with significant low SES and immigrant populations). Not to mention the in-catchment reserve for the Math/Science/CS criteria-based MS program at TPMS that makes it about 4 times as likely for a TP student to be admitted as those from the lower county catchment for that program.

I know TP families have access to the best programs. We figured this out and moved there for that reason. Our kids went through the ES magnet, the CES program, the MS magnet, and even Blair SMCS magnet. A lot of families pick their homes because of the reputation of the school pyramid, nothing wrong with that...

It’s gatekeeping and hoarding resources, locked behind high priced homes, and all under the mantle of being a progressive area.

Then you should be happy that the magnet lottery now prefers students from low SES areas.

Except they didn’t get rid of the local set-aside. Those kids have their very own lottery for a significant number of the seats.

This is one of many reasons why families that value education choose TP.

What everyone is saying is what about families that value education but can’t afford to “choose TP?” Shouldn’t there be roughly equivalent access regardless of SES?

+1. I think the same access to programs and resources to implement those programs should be available at all MCPS schools.

TP is economically diverse, and much of it is very affordable I think it's great that an area like this is making a high-quality education available to everyone. The same can't be said about Western moco which isn't economically diverse and seems to revel in opportunity hoarding.

Except the special/set-aside opportunites in TP end up taken highly disproportionately by the high-SES families owning in relatively expensive SFH areas, not accruing to the lower SES families that give the overall area diversity, (although pocketed, geographically).

Get rid of the set-asides. Sometime I think that the combination of "That's why we chose TP!" and [whatever logical fallicy that amounts to "Don't heed the posts outlining systemic inequities."] is just a real estate agent or two trying to preserve the relative value of their commissions. Not that that behavior is exclusive to TP (see: Ws).

From what I've seen as a parent with kids who have gone through these programs, that's not true. TKPK is diverse, as are the students who participate in these programs, especially in comparison to those selected from the larger county. However, if it makes you feel good to believe otherwise, knock yourself out. The set aside provides a wonderful opportunity for many kids without taking spots away from the program.

How does it not take spots away?

This.

Because it ADDS spots specifically for local kids.

No, it doesn't. The school that hosts the program sets aside spots which are in addition to the 100 spots for the program.

And how does that mean anything other than what I said? There are 100 spots up for grabs and 25 extra spots taken from the general population that are inbound for school. Ergo it doesn’t take anything away from anyone else.

Are you joking? That's 100 spots for the country and 25 spots not for the county because they are reserved for TP. Ergo, 25 of 125 spots are taken from everyone else.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t think that MCPS has different levels of math classes until 4th grade, when compacted math 4/5 starts.

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at our MCPS elementary school they call one enriched and the other will only receive enrichment on an “as needed” basis.

Which school?

Takoma Park Elementary

This may be a holdover from prior years, then, and not representative of MCPS. TPES/PBES (K-2/3-5 pairing) was the sole (I think) GT program-type school for locals with cohorted differentiation in early grades. There are/were others (Stonegate?), but they were K-5, following the CES model for 4th & 5th grade, but for the local catchment only.

One of the many weirdnesses of TP. Espousing super-progressivism, but happy to hoard an opportunity like this that largely falls to those in TP with means.

It's not TP's fault that the other schools are run poorly.

Sure, but it is inner TP's progressive hypocrisy (not that I'm against reasonable progressivism, itself) for insisting on this paradigm (available only to them, and generally benefitting the high SES families) when the TP schools were opened up to the "greater TP" area (with significant low SES and immigrant populations). Not to mention the in-catchment reserve for the Math/Science/CS criteria-based MS program at TPMS that makes it about 4 times as likely for a TP student to be admitted as those from the lower county catchment for that program.

I know TP families have access to the best programs. We figured this out and moved there for that reason. Our kids went through the ES magnet, the CES program, the MS magnet, and even Blair SMCS magnet. A lot of families pick their homes because of the reputation of the school pyramid, nothing wrong with that...

It’s gatekeeping and hoarding resources, locked behind high priced homes, and all under the mantle of being a progressive area.

Then you should be happy that the magnet lottery now prefers students from low SES areas.

Except they didn’t get rid of the local set-aside. Those kids have their very own lottery for a significant number of the seats.

This is one of many reasons why families that value education choose TP.

What everyone is saying is what about families that value education but can’t afford to “choose TP?” Shouldn’t there be roughly equivalent access regardless of SES?

+1. I think the same access to programs and resources to implement those programs should be available at all MCPS schools.

TP is economically diverse, and much of it is very affordable I think it's great that an area like this is making a high-quality education available to everyone. The same can't be said about Western moco which isn't economically diverse and seems to revel in opportunity hoarding.

Except the special/set-aside opportunites in TP end up taken highly disproportionately by the high-SES families owning in relatively expensive SFH areas, not accruing to the lower SES families that give the overall area diversity, (although pocketed, geographically).

Get rid of the set-asides. Sometime I think that the combination of "That's why we chose TP!" and [whatever logical fallicy that amounts to "Don't heed the posts outlining systemic inequities."] is just a real estate agent or two trying to preserve the relative value of their commissions. Not that that behavior is exclusive to TP (see: Ws).

From what I've seen as a parent with kids who have gone through these programs, that's not true. TKPK is diverse, as are the students who participate in these programs, especially in comparison to those selected from the larger county. However, if it makes you feel good to believe otherwise, knock yourself out. The set aside provides a wonderful opportunity for many kids without taking spots away from the program.

How does it not take spots away?

This.

Because it ADDS spots specifically for local kids.

No, it doesn't. The school that hosts the program sets aside spots which are in addition to the 100 spots for the program.

And how does that mean anything other than what I said? There are 100 spots up for grabs and 25 extra spots taken from the general population that are inbound for school. Ergo it doesn’t take anything away from anyone else.

Um, if they did not set aside seats for students from your one middle school, there would be 125 seats available to students from all the down county middle schools in the pool rather than 100.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t think that MCPS has different levels of math classes until 4th grade, when compacted math 4/5 starts.

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at our MCPS elementary school they call one enriched and the other will only receive enrichment on an “as needed” basis.

Which school?

Takoma Park Elementary

This may be a holdover from prior years, then, and not representative of MCPS. TPES/PBES (K-2/3-5 pairing) was the sole (I think) GT program-type school for locals with cohorted differentiation in early grades. There are/were others (Stonegate?), but they were K-5, following the CES model for 4th & 5th grade, but for the local catchment only.

One of the many weirdnesses of TP. Espousing super-progressivism, but happy to hoard an opportunity like this that largely falls to those in TP with means.

It's not TP's fault that the other schools are run poorly.

Sure, but it is inner TP's progressive hypocrisy (not that I'm against reasonable progressivism, itself) for insisting on this paradigm (available only to them, and generally benefitting the high SES families) when the TP schools were opened up to the "greater TP" area (with significant low SES and immigrant populations). Not to mention the in-catchment reserve for the Math/Science/CS criteria-based MS program at TPMS that makes it about 4 times as likely for a TP student to be admitted as those from the lower county catchment for that program.

I know TP families have access to the best programs. We figured this out and moved there for that reason. Our kids went through the ES magnet, the CES program, the MS magnet, and even Blair SMCS magnet. A lot of families pick their homes because of the reputation of the school pyramid, nothing wrong with that...

It’s gatekeeping and hoarding resources, locked behind high priced homes, and all under the mantle of being a progressive area.

Then you should be happy that the magnet lottery now prefers students from low SES areas.

Except they didn’t get rid of the local set-aside. Those kids have their very own lottery for a significant number of the seats.

This is one of many reasons why families that value education choose TP.

What everyone is saying is what about families that value education but can’t afford to “choose TP?” Shouldn’t there be roughly equivalent access regardless of SES?

+1. I think the same access to programs and resources to implement those programs should be available at all MCPS schools.

TP is economically diverse, and much of it is very affordable I think it's great that an area like this is making a high-quality education available to everyone. The same can't be said about Western moco which isn't economically diverse and seems to revel in opportunity hoarding.

Except the special/set-aside opportunites in TP end up taken highly disproportionately by the high-SES families owning in relatively expensive SFH areas, not accruing to the lower SES families that give the overall area diversity, (although pocketed, geographically).

Get rid of the set-asides. Sometime I think that the combination of "That's why we chose TP!" and [whatever logical fallicy that amounts to "Don't heed the posts outlining systemic inequities."] is just a real estate agent or two trying to preserve the relative value of their commissions. Not that that behavior is exclusive to TP (see: Ws).

From what I've seen as a parent with kids who have gone through these programs, that's not true. TKPK is diverse, as are the students who participate in these programs, especially in comparison to those selected from the larger county. However, if it makes you feel good to believe otherwise, knock yourself out. The set aside provides a wonderful opportunity for many kids without taking spots away from the program.

How does it not take spots away?

This.

Because it ADDS spots specifically for local kids.

No, it doesn't. The school that hosts the program sets aside spots which are in addition to the 100 spots for the program.

And how does that mean anything other than what I said? There are 100 spots up for grabs and 25 extra spots taken from the general population that are inbound for school. Ergo it doesn’t take anything away from anyone else.

You literally just said “taken from the general population.” How can you then say it doesn’t take anything away from anyone else????

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t think that MCPS has different levels of math classes until 4th grade, when compacted math 4/5 starts.

OP

at our MCPS elementary school they call one enriched and the other will only receive enrichment on an “as needed” basis.

Which school?

Takoma Park Elementary

This may be a holdover from prior years, then, and not representative of MCPS. TPES/PBES (K-2/3-5 pairing) was the sole (I think) GT program-type school for locals with cohorted differentiation in early grades. There are/were others (Stonegate?), but they were K-5, following the CES model for 4th & 5th grade, but for the local catchment only.

One of the many weirdnesses of TP. Espousing super-progressivism, but happy to hoard an opportunity like this that largely falls to those in TP with means.

It's not TP's fault that the other schools are run poorly.

Sure, but it is inner TP's progressive hypocrisy (not that I'm against reasonable progressivism, itself) for insisting on this paradigm (available only to them, and generally benefitting the high SES families) when the TP schools were opened up to the "greater TP" area (with significant low SES and immigrant populations). Not to mention the in-catchment reserve for the Math/Science/CS criteria-based MS program at TPMS that makes it about 4 times as likely for a TP student to be admitted as those from the lower county catchment for that program.

I know TP families have access to the best programs. We figured this out and moved there for that reason. Our kids went through the ES magnet, the CES program, the MS magnet, and even Blair SMCS magnet. A lot of families pick their homes because of the reputation of the school pyramid, nothing wrong with that...

It’s gatekeeping and hoarding resources, locked behind high priced homes, and all under the mantle of being a progressive area.

Then you should be happy that the magnet lottery now prefers students from low SES areas.

Except they didn’t get rid of the local set-aside. Those kids have their very own lottery for a significant number of the seats.

This is one of many reasons why families that value education choose TP.

What everyone is saying is what about families that value education but can’t afford to “choose TP?” Shouldn’t there be roughly equivalent access regardless of SES?

+1. I think the same access to programs and resources to implement those programs should be available at all MCPS schools.

TP is economically diverse, and much of it is very affordable I think it's great that an area like this is making a high-quality education available to everyone. The same can't be said about Western moco which isn't economically diverse and seems to revel in opportunity hoarding.

Except the special/set-aside opportunites in TP end up taken highly disproportionately by the high-SES families owning in relatively expensive SFH areas, not accruing to the lower SES families that give the overall area diversity, (although pocketed, geographically).

Get rid of the set-asides. Sometime I think that the combination of "That's why we chose TP!" and [whatever logical fallicy that amounts to "Don't heed the posts outlining systemic inequities."] is just a real estate agent or two trying to preserve the relative value of their commissions. Not that that behavior is exclusive to TP (see: Ws).

From what I've seen as a parent with kids who have gone through these programs, that's not true. TKPK is diverse, as are the students who participate in these programs, especially in comparison to those selected from the larger county. However, if it makes you feel good to believe otherwise, knock yourself out. The set aside provides a wonderful opportunity for many kids without taking spots away from the program.

How does it not take spots away?

This.

Because it ADDS spots specifically for local kids.

No, it doesn't. The school that hosts the program sets aside spots which are in addition to the 100 spots for the program.

And how does that mean anything other than what I said? There are 100 spots up for grabs and 25 extra spots taken from the general population that are inbound for school. Ergo it doesn’t take anything away from anyone else.

You literally just said “taken from the general population.” How can you then say it doesn’t take anything away from anyone else????

FROM THE GENERAL POPULATION THAT ARE ALREADY AT TPMS! Sheesh. Out of the kids that would already be at that school anyway, 25 of them get to join the 100 selected from further afield. Those 25 spots would always be at that school and would never be available for anyone that’s not inbound. Nothing is being taken from your child.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t think that MCPS has different levels of math classes until 4th grade, when compacted math 4/5 starts.

OP

at our MCPS elementary school they call one enriched and the other will only receive enrichment on an “as needed” basis.

Which school?

Takoma Park Elementary

This may be a holdover from prior years, then, and not representative of MCPS. TPES/PBES (K-2/3-5 pairing) was the sole (I think) GT program-type school for locals with cohorted differentiation in early grades. There are/were others (Stonegate?), but they were K-5, following the CES model for 4th & 5th grade, but for the local catchment only.

One of the many weirdnesses of TP. Espousing super-progressivism, but happy to hoard an opportunity like this that largely falls to those in TP with means.

It's not TP's fault that the other schools are run poorly.

Sure, but it is inner TP's progressive hypocrisy (not that I'm against reasonable progressivism, itself) for insisting on this paradigm (available only to them, and generally benefitting the high SES families) when the TP schools were opened up to the "greater TP" area (with significant low SES and immigrant populations). Not to mention the in-catchment reserve for the Math/Science/CS criteria-based MS program at TPMS that makes it about 4 times as likely for a TP student to be admitted as those from the lower county catchment for that program.

I know TP families have access to the best programs. We figured this out and moved there for that reason. Our kids went through the ES magnet, the CES program, the MS magnet, and even Blair SMCS magnet. A lot of families pick their homes because of the reputation of the school pyramid, nothing wrong with that...

It’s gatekeeping and hoarding resources, locked behind high priced homes, and all under the mantle of being a progressive area.

Then you should be happy that the magnet lottery now prefers students from low SES areas.

Except they didn’t get rid of the local set-aside. Those kids have their very own lottery for a significant number of the seats.

This is one of many reasons why families that value education choose TP.

What everyone is saying is what about families that value education but can’t afford to “choose TP?” Shouldn’t there be roughly equivalent access regardless of SES?

+1. I think the same access to programs and resources to implement those programs should be available at all MCPS schools.

TP is economically diverse, and much of it is very affordable I think it's great that an area like this is making a high-quality education available to everyone. The same can't be said about Western moco which isn't economically diverse and seems to revel in opportunity hoarding.

Except the special/set-aside opportunites in TP end up taken highly disproportionately by the high-SES families owning in relatively expensive SFH areas, not accruing to the lower SES families that give the overall area diversity, (although pocketed, geographically).

Get rid of the set-asides. Sometime I think that the combination of "That's why we chose TP!" and [whatever logical fallicy that amounts to "Don't heed the posts outlining systemic inequities."] is just a real estate agent or two trying to preserve the relative value of their commissions. Not that that behavior is exclusive to TP (see: Ws).

From what I've seen as a parent with kids who have gone through these programs, that's not true. TKPK is diverse, as are the students who participate in these programs, especially in comparison to those selected from the larger county. However, if it makes you feel good to believe otherwise, knock yourself out. The set aside provides a wonderful opportunity for many kids without taking spots away from the program.

How does it not take spots away?

This.

Because it ADDS spots specifically for local kids.

No, it doesn't. The school that hosts the program sets aside spots which are in addition to the 100 spots for the program.

And how does that mean anything other than what I said? There are 100 spots up for grabs and 25 extra spots taken from the general population that are inbound for school. Ergo it doesn’t take anything away from anyone else.

You literally just said “taken from the general population.” How can you then say it doesn’t take anything away from anyone else????

What’s being taken from the rest of the TPMS population is that those 25 kids aren’t in the same math and science classes as them. Big loss. I’m not sure why this is so hard to grasp.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t think that MCPS has different levels of math classes until 4th grade, when compacted math 4/5 starts.

OP

at our MCPS elementary school they call one enriched and the other will only receive enrichment on an “as needed” basis.

Which school?

Takoma Park Elementary

This may be a holdover from prior years, then, and not representative of MCPS. TPES/PBES (K-2/3-5 pairing) was the sole (I think) GT program-type school for locals with cohorted differentiation in early grades. There are/were others (Stonegate?), but they were K-5, following the CES model for 4th & 5th grade, but for the local catchment only.

One of the many weirdnesses of TP. Espousing super-progressivism, but happy to hoard an opportunity like this that largely falls to those in TP with means.

It's not TP's fault that the other schools are run poorly.

Sure, but it is inner TP's progressive hypocrisy (not that I'm against reasonable progressivism, itself) for insisting on this paradigm (available only to them, and generally benefitting the high SES families) when the TP schools were opened up to the "greater TP" area (with significant low SES and immigrant populations). Not to mention the in-catchment reserve for the Math/Science/CS criteria-based MS program at TPMS that makes it about 4 times as likely for a TP student to be admitted as those from the lower county catchment for that program.

I know TP families have access to the best programs. We figured this out and moved there for that reason. Our kids went through the ES magnet, the CES program, the MS magnet, and even Blair SMCS magnet. A lot of families pick their homes because of the reputation of the school pyramid, nothing wrong with that...

It’s gatekeeping and hoarding resources, locked behind high priced homes, and all under the mantle of being a progressive area.

Then you should be happy that the magnet lottery now prefers students from low SES areas.

Except they didn’t get rid of the local set-aside. Those kids have their very own lottery for a significant number of the seats.

This is one of many reasons why families that value education choose TP.

What everyone is saying is what about families that value education but can’t afford to “choose TP?” Shouldn’t there be roughly equivalent access regardless of SES?

+1. I think the same access to programs and resources to implement those programs should be available at all MCPS schools.

TP is economically diverse, and much of it is very affordable I think it's great that an area like this is making a high-quality education available to everyone. The same can't be said about Western moco which isn't economically diverse and seems to revel in opportunity hoarding.

Except the special/set-aside opportunites in TP end up taken highly disproportionately by the high-SES families owning in relatively expensive SFH areas, not accruing to the lower SES families that give the overall area diversity, (although pocketed, geographically).

Get rid of the set-asides. Sometime I think that the combination of "That's why we chose TP!" and [whatever logical fallicy that amounts to "Don't heed the posts outlining systemic inequities."] is just a real estate agent or two trying to preserve the relative value of their commissions. Not that that behavior is exclusive to TP (see: Ws).

From what I've seen as a parent with kids who have gone through these programs, that's not true. TKPK is diverse, as are the students who participate in these programs, especially in comparison to those selected from the larger county. However, if it makes you feel good to believe otherwise, knock yourself out. The set aside provides a wonderful opportunity for many kids without taking spots away from the program.

How does it not take spots away?

This.

Because it ADDS spots specifically for local kids.

No, it doesn't. The school that hosts the program sets aside spots which are in addition to the 100 spots for the program.

And how does that mean anything other than what I said? There are 100 spots up for grabs and 25 extra spots taken from the general population that are inbound for school. Ergo it doesn’t take anything away from anyone else.

You literally just said “taken from the general population.” How can you then say it doesn’t take anything away from anyone else????

FROM THE GENERAL POPULATION THAT ARE ALREADY AT TPMS! Sheesh. Out of the kids that would already be at that school anyway, 25 of them get to join the 100 selected from further afield. Those 25 spots would always be at that school and would never be available for anyone that’s not inbound. Nothing is being taken from your child.

Why do those kids get to join the magnet instead of 25 more students from the region wide lottery? Because they get preferential placement. Do you really not understand this?

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t think that MCPS has different levels of math classes until 4th grade, when compacted math 4/5 starts.

OP

at our MCPS elementary school they call one enriched and the other will only receive enrichment on an “as needed” basis.

Which school?

Takoma Park Elementary

This may be a holdover from prior years, then, and not representative of MCPS. TPES/PBES (K-2/3-5 pairing) was the sole (I think) GT program-type school for locals with cohorted differentiation in early grades. There are/were others (Stonegate?), but they were K-5, following the CES model for 4th & 5th grade, but for the local catchment only.

One of the many weirdnesses of TP. Espousing super-progressivism, but happy to hoard an opportunity like this that largely falls to those in TP with means.

It's not TP's fault that the other schools are run poorly.

Sure, but it is inner TP's progressive hypocrisy (not that I'm against reasonable progressivism, itself) for insisting on this paradigm (available only to them, and generally benefitting the high SES families) when the TP schools were opened up to the "greater TP" area (with significant low SES and immigrant populations). Not to mention the in-catchment reserve for the Math/Science/CS criteria-based MS program at TPMS that makes it about 4 times as likely for a TP student to be admitted as those from the lower county catchment for that program.

I know TP families have access to the best programs. We figured this out and moved there for that reason. Our kids went through the ES magnet, the CES program, the MS magnet, and even Blair SMCS magnet. A lot of families pick their homes because of the reputation of the school pyramid, nothing wrong with that...

It’s gatekeeping and hoarding resources, locked behind high priced homes, and all under the mantle of being a progressive area.

Then you should be happy that the magnet lottery now prefers students from low SES areas.

Except they didn’t get rid of the local set-aside. Those kids have their very own lottery for a significant number of the seats.

This is one of many reasons why families that value education choose TP.

What everyone is saying is what about families that value education but can’t afford to “choose TP?” Shouldn’t there be roughly equivalent access regardless of SES?

+1. I think the same access to programs and resources to implement those programs should be available at all MCPS schools.

TP is economically diverse, and much of it is very affordable I think it's great that an area like this is making a high-quality education available to everyone. The same can't be said about Western moco which isn't economically diverse and seems to revel in opportunity hoarding.

Except the special/set-aside opportunites in TP end up taken highly disproportionately by the high-SES families owning in relatively expensive SFH areas, not accruing to the lower SES families that give the overall area diversity, (although pocketed, geographically).

Get rid of the set-asides. Sometime I think that the combination of "That's why we chose TP!" and [whatever logical fallicy that amounts to "Don't heed the posts outlining systemic inequities."] is just a real estate agent or two trying to preserve the relative value of their commissions. Not that that behavior is exclusive to TP (see: Ws).

From what I've seen as a parent with kids who have gone through these programs, that's not true. TKPK is diverse, as are the students who participate in these programs, especially in comparison to those selected from the larger county. However, if it makes you feel good to believe otherwise, knock yourself out. The set aside provides a wonderful opportunity for many kids without taking spots away from the program.

How does it not take spots away?

This.

Because it ADDS spots specifically for local kids.

No, it doesn't. The school that hosts the program sets aside spots which are in addition to the 100 spots for the program.

And how does that mean anything other than what I said? There are 100 spots up for grabs and 25 extra spots taken from the general population that are inbound for school. Ergo it doesn’t take anything away from anyone else.

You literally just said “taken from the general population.” How can you then say it doesn’t take anything away from anyone else????

FROM THE GENERAL POPULATION THAT ARE ALREADY AT TPMS! Sheesh. Out of the kids that would already be at that school anyway, 25 of them get to join the 100 selected from further afield. Those 25 spots would always be at that school and would never be available for anyone that’s not inbound. Nothing is being taken from your child.

Why do those kids get to join the magnet instead of 25 more students from the region wide lottery? Because they get preferential placement. Do you really not understand this?

No I don’t. There are only 100 places for out of boundary students in the magnet, not 125. If those extra 25 spots were available in the region wide lottery there would be 25 more kids at the school and there is no room for them.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t think that MCPS has different levels of math classes until 4th grade, when compacted math 4/5 starts.

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at our MCPS elementary school they call one enriched and the other will only receive enrichment on an “as needed” basis.

Which school?

Takoma Park Elementary

This may be a holdover from prior years, then, and not representative of MCPS. TPES/PBES (K-2/3-5 pairing) was the sole (I think) GT program-type school for locals with cohorted differentiation in early grades. There are/were others (Stonegate?), but they were K-5, following the CES model for 4th & 5th grade, but for the local catchment only.

One of the many weirdnesses of TP. Espousing super-progressivism, but happy to hoard an opportunity like this that largely falls to those in TP with means.

It's not TP's fault that the other schools are run poorly.

Sure, but it is inner TP's progressive hypocrisy (not that I'm against reasonable progressivism, itself) for insisting on this paradigm (available only to them, and generally benefitting the high SES families) when the TP schools were opened up to the "greater TP" area (with significant low SES and immigrant populations). Not to mention the in-catchment reserve for the Math/Science/CS criteria-based MS program at TPMS that makes it about 4 times as likely for a TP student to be admitted as those from the lower county catchment for that program.

I know TP families have access to the best programs. We figured this out and moved there for that reason. Our kids went through the ES magnet, the CES program, the MS magnet, and even Blair SMCS magnet. A lot of families pick their homes because of the reputation of the school pyramid, nothing wrong with that...

It’s gatekeeping and hoarding resources, locked behind high priced homes, and all under the mantle of being a progressive area.

Then you should be happy that the magnet lottery now prefers students from low SES areas.

Except they didn’t get rid of the local set-aside. Those kids have their very own lottery for a significant number of the seats.

This is one of many reasons why families that value education choose TP.

What everyone is saying is what about families that value education but can’t afford to “choose TP?” Shouldn’t there be roughly equivalent access regardless of SES?

+1. I think the same access to programs and resources to implement those programs should be available at all MCPS schools.

TP is economically diverse, and much of it is very affordable I think it's great that an area like this is making a high-quality education available to everyone. The same can't be said about Western moco which isn't economically diverse and seems to revel in opportunity hoarding.

Except the special/set-aside opportunites in TP end up taken highly disproportionately by the high-SES families owning in relatively expensive SFH areas, not accruing to the lower SES families that give the overall area diversity, (although pocketed, geographically).

Get rid of the set-asides. Sometime I think that the combination of "That's why we chose TP!" and [whatever logical fallicy that amounts to "Don't heed the posts outlining systemic inequities."] is just a real estate agent or two trying to preserve the relative value of their commissions. Not that that behavior is exclusive to TP (see: Ws).

From what I've seen as a parent with kids who have gone through these programs, that's not true. TKPK is diverse, as are the students who participate in these programs, especially in comparison to those selected from the larger county. However, if it makes you feel good to believe otherwise, knock yourself out. The set aside provides a wonderful opportunity for many kids without taking spots away from the program.

How does it not take spots away?

This.

Because it ADDS spots specifically for local kids.

No, it doesn't. The school that hosts the program sets aside spots which are in addition to the 100 spots for the program.

And how does that mean anything other than what I said? There are 100 spots up for grabs and 25 extra spots taken from the general population that are inbound for school. Ergo it doesn’t take anything away from anyone else.

You literally just said “taken from the general population.” How can you then say it doesn’t take anything away from anyone else????

FROM THE GENERAL POPULATION THAT ARE ALREADY AT TPMS! Sheesh. Out of the kids that would already be at that school anyway, 25 of them get to join the 100 selected from further afield. Those 25 spots would always be at that school and would never be available for anyone that’s not inbound. Nothing is being taken from your child.

Why do those kids get to join the magnet instead of 25 more students from the region wide lottery? Because they get preferential placement. Do you really not understand this?

No I don’t. There are only 100 places for out of boundary students in the magnet, not 125. If those extra 25 spots were available in the region wide lottery there would be 25 more kids at the school and there is no room for them.

False. According to the school’s at-a-glance, capacity is over 1,300 and enrollment is under 1,100.

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What is the maximum score for MAP Math test for 2nd grader if anyone knows? I have never seen MAP reading score for K to 1st grade, do they have reading assessment for kids for 2nd grade?

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t think that MCPS has different levels of math classes until 4th grade, when compacted math 4/5 starts.

OP

at our MCPS elementary school they call one enriched and the other will only receive enrichment on an “as needed” basis.

Which school?

Takoma Park Elementary

This may be a holdover from prior years, then, and not representative of MCPS. TPES/PBES (K-2/3-5 pairing) was the sole (I think) GT program-type school for locals with cohorted differentiation in early grades. There are/were others (Stonegate?), but they were K-5, following the CES model for 4th & 5th grade, but for the local catchment only.

One of the many weirdnesses of TP. Espousing super-progressivism, but happy to hoard an opportunity like this that largely falls to those in TP with means.

It's not TP's fault that the other schools are run poorly.

Sure, but it is inner TP's progressive hypocrisy (not that I'm against reasonable progressivism, itself) for insisting on this paradigm (available only to them, and generally benefitting the high SES families) when the TP schools were opened up to the "greater TP" area (with significant low SES and immigrant populations). Not to mention the in-catchment reserve for the Math/Science/CS criteria-based MS program at TPMS that makes it about 4 times as likely for a TP student to be admitted as those from the lower county catchment for that program.

I know TP families have access to the best programs. We figured this out and moved there for that reason. Our kids went through the ES magnet, the CES program, the MS magnet, and even Blair SMCS magnet. A lot of families pick their homes because of the reputation of the school pyramid, nothing wrong with that...

It’s gatekeeping and hoarding resources, locked behind high priced homes, and all under the mantle of being a progressive area.

Then you should be happy that the magnet lottery now prefers students from low SES areas.

Except they didn’t get rid of the local set-aside. Those kids have their very own lottery for a significant number of the seats.

This is one of many reasons why families that value education choose TP.

What everyone is saying is what about families that value education but can’t afford to “choose TP?” Shouldn’t there be roughly equivalent access regardless of SES?

+1. I think the same access to programs and resources to implement those programs should be available at all MCPS schools.

TP is economically diverse, and much of it is very affordable I think it's great that an area like this is making a high-quality education available to everyone. The same can't be said about Western moco which isn't economically diverse and seems to revel in opportunity hoarding.

Except the special/set-aside opportunites in TP end up taken highly disproportionately by the high-SES families owning in relatively expensive SFH areas, not accruing to the lower SES families that give the overall area diversity, (although pocketed, geographically).

Get rid of the set-asides. Sometime I think that the combination of "That's why we chose TP!" and [whatever logical fallicy that amounts to "Don't heed the posts outlining systemic inequities."] is just a real estate agent or two trying to preserve the relative value of their commissions. Not that that behavior is exclusive to TP (see: Ws).

From what I've seen as a parent with kids who have gone through these programs, that's not true. TKPK is diverse, as are the students who participate in these programs, especially in comparison to those selected from the larger county. However, if it makes you feel good to believe otherwise, knock yourself out. The set aside provides a wonderful opportunity for many kids without taking spots away from the program.

How does it not take spots away?

This.

Because it ADDS spots specifically for local kids.

No, it doesn't. The school that hosts the program sets aside spots which are in addition to the 100 spots for the program.

And how does that mean anything other than what I said? There are 100 spots up for grabs and 25 extra spots taken from the general population that are inbound for school. Ergo it doesn’t take anything away from anyone else.

Are you joking? That's 100 spots for the country and 25 spots not for the county because they are reserved for TP. Ergo, 25 of 125 spots are taken from everyone else.

Not at all. The program only has 100 spots.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t think that MCPS has different levels of math classes until 4th grade, when compacted math 4/5 starts.

OP

at our MCPS elementary school they call one enriched and the other will only receive enrichment on an “as needed” basis.

Which school?

Takoma Park Elementary

This may be a holdover from prior years, then, and not representative of MCPS. TPES/PBES (K-2/3-5 pairing) was the sole (I think) GT program-type school for locals with cohorted differentiation in early grades. There are/were others (Stonegate?), but they were K-5, following the CES model for 4th & 5th grade, but for the local catchment only.

One of the many weirdnesses of TP. Espousing super-progressivism, but happy to hoard an opportunity like this that largely falls to those in TP with means.

It's not TP's fault that the other schools are run poorly.

Sure, but it is inner TP's progressive hypocrisy (not that I'm against reasonable progressivism, itself) for insisting on this paradigm (available only to them, and generally benefitting the high SES families) when the TP schools were opened up to the "greater TP" area (with significant low SES and immigrant populations). Not to mention the in-catchment reserve for the Math/Science/CS criteria-based MS program at TPMS that makes it about 4 times as likely for a TP student to be admitted as those from the lower county catchment for that program.

I know TP families have access to the best programs. We figured this out and moved there for that reason. Our kids went through the ES magnet, the CES program, the MS magnet, and even Blair SMCS magnet. A lot of families pick their homes because of the reputation of the school pyramid, nothing wrong with that...

It’s gatekeeping and hoarding resources, locked behind high priced homes, and all under the mantle of being a progressive area.

Then you should be happy that the magnet lottery now prefers students from low SES areas.

Except they didn’t get rid of the local set-aside. Those kids have their very own lottery for a significant number of the seats.

This is one of many reasons why families that value education choose TP.

What everyone is saying is what about families that value education but can’t afford to “choose TP?” Shouldn’t there be roughly equivalent access regardless of SES?

+1. I think the same access to programs and resources to implement those programs should be available at all MCPS schools.

TP is economically diverse, and much of it is very affordable I think it's great that an area like this is making a high-quality education available to everyone. The same can't be said about Western moco which isn't economically diverse and seems to revel in opportunity hoarding.

Except the special/set-aside opportunites in TP end up taken highly disproportionately by the high-SES families owning in relatively expensive SFH areas, not accruing to the lower SES families that give the overall area diversity, (although pocketed, geographically).

Get rid of the set-asides. Sometime I think that the combination of "That's why we chose TP!" and [whatever logical fallicy that amounts to "Don't heed the posts outlining systemic inequities."] is just a real estate agent or two trying to preserve the relative value of their commissions. Not that that behavior is exclusive to TP (see: Ws).

From what I've seen as a parent with kids who have gone through these programs, that's not true. TKPK is diverse, as are the students who participate in these programs, especially in comparison to those selected from the larger county. However, if it makes you feel good to believe otherwise, knock yourself out. The set aside provides a wonderful opportunity for many kids without taking spots away from the program.

How does it not take spots away?

This.

Because it ADDS spots specifically for local kids.

No, it doesn't. The school that hosts the program sets aside spots which are in addition to the 100 spots for the program.

And how does that mean anything other than what I said? There are 100 spots up for grabs and 25 extra spots taken from the general population that are inbound for school. Ergo it doesn’t take anything away from anyone else.

You literally just said “taken from the general population.” How can you then say it doesn’t take anything away from anyone else????

FROM THE GENERAL POPULATION THAT ARE ALREADY AT TPMS! Sheesh. Out of the kids that would already be at that school anyway, 25 of them get to join the 100 selected from further afield. Those 25 spots would always be at that school and would never be available for anyone that’s not inbound. Nothing is being taken from your child.

Why do those kids get to join the magnet instead of 25 more students from the region wide lottery? Because they get preferential placement. Do you really not understand this?

It seems like you're a little confused about how this works.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t think that MCPS has different levels of math classes until 4th grade, when compacted math 4/5 starts.

OP

at our MCPS elementary school they call one enriched and the other will only receive enrichment on an “as needed” basis.

Which school?

Takoma Park Elementary

This may be a holdover from prior years, then, and not representative of MCPS. TPES/PBES (K-2/3-5 pairing) was the sole (I think) GT program-type school for locals with cohorted differentiation in early grades. There are/were others (Stonegate?), but they were K-5, following the CES model for 4th & 5th grade, but for the local catchment only.

One of the many weirdnesses of TP. Espousing super-progressivism, but happy to hoard an opportunity like this that largely falls to those in TP with means.

It's not TP's fault that the other schools are run poorly.

Sure, but it is inner TP's progressive hypocrisy (not that I'm against reasonable progressivism, itself) for insisting on this paradigm (available only to them, and generally benefitting the high SES families) when the TP schools were opened up to the "greater TP" area (with significant low SES and immigrant populations). Not to mention the in-catchment reserve for the Math/Science/CS criteria-based MS program at TPMS that makes it about 4 times as likely for a TP student to be admitted as those from the lower county catchment for that program.

I know TP families have access to the best programs. We figured this out and moved there for that reason. Our kids went through the ES magnet, the CES program, the MS magnet, and even Blair SMCS magnet. A lot of families pick their homes because of the reputation of the school pyramid, nothing wrong with that...

It’s gatekeeping and hoarding resources, locked behind high priced homes, and all under the mantle of being a progressive area.

Then you should be happy that the magnet lottery now prefers students from low SES areas.

Except they didn’t get rid of the local set-aside. Those kids have their very own lottery for a significant number of the seats.

This is one of many reasons why families that value education choose TP.

What everyone is saying is what about families that value education but can’t afford to “choose TP?” Shouldn’t there be roughly equivalent access regardless of SES?

+1. I think the same access to programs and resources to implement those programs should be available at all MCPS schools.

TP is economically diverse, and much of it is very affordable I think it's great that an area like this is making a high-quality education available to everyone. The same can't be said about Western moco which isn't economically diverse and seems to revel in opportunity hoarding.

Except the special/set-aside opportunites in TP end up taken highly disproportionately by the high-SES families owning in relatively expensive SFH areas, not accruing to the lower SES families that give the overall area diversity, (although pocketed, geographically).

Get rid of the set-asides. Sometime I think that the combination of "That's why we chose TP!" and [whatever logical fallicy that amounts to "Don't heed the posts outlining systemic inequities."] is just a real estate agent or two trying to preserve the relative value of their commissions. Not that that behavior is exclusive to TP (see: Ws).

From what I've seen as a parent with kids who have gone through these programs, that's not true. TKPK is diverse, as are the students who participate in these programs, especially in comparison to those selected from the larger county. However, if it makes you feel good to believe otherwise, knock yourself out. The set aside provides a wonderful opportunity for many kids without taking spots away from the program.

How does it not take spots away?

This.

Because it ADDS spots specifically for local kids.

No, it doesn't. The school that hosts the program sets aside spots which are in addition to the 100 spots for the program.

And how does that mean anything other than what I said? There are 100 spots up for grabs and 25 extra spots taken from the general population that are inbound for school. Ergo it doesn’t take anything away from anyone else.

Um, if they did not set aside seats for students from your one middle school, there would be 125 seats available to students from all the down county middle schools in the pool rather than 100.

No there's only room for 100 students from outside the boundary. It would overcrowd the school so it's not an option. Those seats come from the host school. It's really not that hard to comprehend. You just need to try a little harder.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t think that MCPS has different levels of math classes until 4th grade, when compacted math 4/5 starts.

OP

at our MCPS elementary school they call one enriched and the other will only receive enrichment on an “as needed” basis.

Which school?

Takoma Park Elementary

This may be a holdover from prior years, then, and not representative of MCPS. TPES/PBES (K-2/3-5 pairing) was the sole (I think) GT program-type school for locals with cohorted differentiation in early grades. There are/were others (Stonegate?), but they were K-5, following the CES model for 4th & 5th grade, but for the local catchment only.

One of the many weirdnesses of TP. Espousing super-progressivism, but happy to hoard an opportunity like this that largely falls to those in TP with means.

It's not TP's fault that the other schools are run poorly.

Sure, but it is inner TP's progressive hypocrisy (not that I'm against reasonable progressivism, itself) for insisting on this paradigm (available only to them, and generally benefitting the high SES families) when the TP schools were opened up to the "greater TP" area (with significant low SES and immigrant populations). Not to mention the in-catchment reserve for the Math/Science/CS criteria-based MS program at TPMS that makes it about 4 times as likely for a TP student to be admitted as those from the lower county catchment for that program.

I know TP families have access to the best programs. We figured this out and moved there for that reason. Our kids went through the ES magnet, the CES program, the MS magnet, and even Blair SMCS magnet. A lot of families pick their homes because of the reputation of the school pyramid, nothing wrong with that...

It’s gatekeeping and hoarding resources, locked behind high priced homes, and all under the mantle of being a progressive area.

Then you should be happy that the magnet lottery now prefers students from low SES areas.

Except they didn’t get rid of the local set-aside. Those kids have their very own lottery for a significant number of the seats.

This is one of many reasons why families that value education choose TP.

What everyone is saying is what about families that value education but can’t afford to “choose TP?” Shouldn’t there be roughly equivalent access regardless of SES?

+1. I think the same access to programs and resources to implement those programs should be available at all MCPS schools.

TP is economically diverse, and much of it is very affordable I think it's great that an area like this is making a high-quality education available to everyone. The same can't be said about Western moco which isn't economically diverse and seems to revel in opportunity hoarding.

Except the special/set-aside opportunites in TP end up taken highly disproportionately by the high-SES families owning in relatively expensive SFH areas, not accruing to the lower SES families that give the overall area diversity, (although pocketed, geographically).

Get rid of the set-asides. Sometime I think that the combination of "That's why we chose TP!" and [whatever logical fallicy that amounts to "Don't heed the posts outlining systemic inequities."] is just a real estate agent or two trying to preserve the relative value of their commissions. Not that that behavior is exclusive to TP (see: Ws).

From what I've seen as a parent with kids who have gone through these programs, that's not true. TKPK is diverse, as are the students who participate in these programs, especially in comparison to those selected from the larger county. However, if it makes you feel good to believe otherwise, knock yourself out. The set aside provides a wonderful opportunity for many kids without taking spots away from the program.

How does it not take spots away?

This.

Because it ADDS spots specifically for local kids.

No, it doesn't. The school that hosts the program sets aside spots which are in addition to the 100 spots for the program.

And how does that mean anything other than what I said? There are 100 spots up for grabs and 25 extra spots taken from the general population that are inbound for school. Ergo it doesn’t take anything away from anyone else.

Um, if they did not set aside seats for students from your one middle school, there would be 125 seats available to students from all the down county middle schools in the pool rather than 100.

No there's only room for 100 students from outside the boundary. It would overcrowd the school so it's not an option. Those seats come from the host school. It's really not that hard to comprehend. You just need to try a little harder.

I'm curious if this is 1 person spamming nonsense or if TP is full of rich people who can't think things through or can't handle admitting their privilege.

Even if the school were at capacity, the borders could be adjusted to make it not overcrowded.

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Anonymous wrote:What is the maximum score for MAP Math test for 2nd grader if anyone knows? I have never seen MAP reading score for K to 1st grade, do they have reading assessment for kids for 2nd grade?

There is maximum in any meaningful sense. It's higher than anyone has ever scored.

K-2 takes a MAP-P primary test.
MAP-R reading starts in 3rd grade. They have other literacy assessments.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t think that MCPS has different levels of math classes until 4th grade, when compacted math 4/5 starts.

OP

at our MCPS elementary school they call one enriched and the other will only receive enrichment on an “as needed” basis.

Which school?

Takoma Park Elementary

This may be a holdover from prior years, then, and not representative of MCPS. TPES/PBES (K-2/3-5 pairing) was the sole (I think) GT program-type school for locals with cohorted differentiation in early grades. There are/were others (Stonegate?), but they were K-5, following the CES model for 4th & 5th grade, but for the local catchment only.

One of the many weirdnesses of TP. Espousing super-progressivism, but happy to hoard an opportunity like this that largely falls to those in TP with means.

It's not TP's fault that the other schools are run poorly.

Sure, but it is inner TP's progressive hypocrisy (not that I'm against reasonable progressivism, itself) for insisting on this paradigm (available only to them, and generally benefitting the high SES families) when the TP schools were opened up to the "greater TP" area (with significant low SES and immigrant populations). Not to mention the in-catchment reserve for the Math/Science/CS criteria-based MS program at TPMS that makes it about 4 times as likely for a TP student to be admitted as those from the lower county catchment for that program.

I know TP families have access to the best programs. We figured this out and moved there for that reason. Our kids went through the ES magnet, the CES program, the MS magnet, and even Blair SMCS magnet. A lot of families pick their homes because of the reputation of the school pyramid, nothing wrong with that...

It’s gatekeeping and hoarding resources, locked behind high priced homes, and all under the mantle of being a progressive area.

Then you should be happy that the magnet lottery now prefers students from low SES areas.

Except they didn’t get rid of the local set-aside. Those kids have their very own lottery for a significant number of the seats.

This is one of many reasons why families that value education choose TP.

What everyone is saying is what about families that value education but can’t afford to “choose TP?” Shouldn’t there be roughly equivalent access regardless of SES?

+1. I think the same access to programs and resources to implement those programs should be available at all MCPS schools.

TP is economically diverse, and much of it is very affordable I think it's great that an area like this is making a high-quality education available to everyone. The same can't be said about Western moco which isn't economically diverse and seems to revel in opportunity hoarding.

Except the special/set-aside opportunites in TP end up taken highly disproportionately by the high-SES families owning in relatively expensive SFH areas, not accruing to the lower SES families that give the overall area diversity, (although pocketed, geographically).

Get rid of the set-asides. Sometime I think that the combination of "That's why we chose TP!" and [whatever logical fallicy that amounts to "Don't heed the posts outlining systemic inequities."] is just a real estate agent or two trying to preserve the relative value of their commissions. Not that that behavior is exclusive to TP (see: Ws).

From what I've seen as a parent with kids who have gone through these programs, that's not true. TKPK is diverse, as are the students who participate in these programs, especially in comparison to those selected from the larger county. However, if it makes you feel good to believe otherwise, knock yourself out. The set aside provides a wonderful opportunity for many kids without taking spots away from the program.

How does it not take spots away?

This.

Because it ADDS spots specifically for local kids.

No, it doesn't. The school that hosts the program sets aside spots which are in addition to the 100 spots for the program.

And how does that mean anything other than what I said? There are 100 spots up for grabs and 25 extra spots taken from the general population that are inbound for school. Ergo it doesn’t take anything away from anyone else.

You literally just said “taken from the general population.” How can you then say it doesn’t take anything away from anyone else????

FROM THE GENERAL POPULATION THAT ARE ALREADY AT TPMS! Sheesh. Out of the kids that would already be at that school anyway, 25 of them get to join the 100 selected from further afield. Those 25 spots would always be at that school and would never be available for anyone that’s not inbound. Nothing is being taken from your child.

Why do those kids get to join the magnet instead of 25 more students from the region wide lottery? Because they get preferential placement. Do you really not understand this?

Because there is no room at the school for additional students who wouldn’t otherwise attend the school. Do you really not understand this?