Anonymous wrote:I don’t think that MCPS has different levels of math classes until 4th grade, when compacted math 4/5 starts.
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at our MCPS elementary school they call one enriched and the other will only receive enrichment on an “as needed” basis.
Which school?
Takoma Park Elementary
This may be a holdover from prior years, then, and not representative of MCPS. TPES/PBES (K-2/3-5 pairing) was the sole (I think) GT program-type school for locals with cohorted differentiation in early grades. There are/were others (Stonegate?), but they were K-5, following the CES model for 4th & 5th grade, but for the local catchment only.
One of the many weirdnesses of TP. Espousing super-progressivism, but happy to hoard an opportunity like this that largely falls to those in TP with means.
It's not TP's fault that the other schools are run poorly.
Sure, but it is inner TP's progressive hypocrisy (not that I'm against reasonable progressivism, itself) for insisting on this paradigm (available only to them, and generally benefitting the high SES families) when the TP schools were opened up to the "greater TP" area (with significant low SES and immigrant populations). Not to mention the in-catchment reserve for the Math/Science/CS criteria-based MS program at TPMS that makes it about 4 times as likely for a TP student to be admitted as those from the lower county catchment for that program.
I know TP families have access to the best programs. We figured this out and moved there for that reason. Our kids went through the ES magnet, the CES program, the MS magnet, and even Blair SMCS magnet. A lot of families pick their homes because of the reputation of the school pyramid, nothing wrong with that...
It’s gatekeeping and hoarding resources, locked behind high priced homes, and all under the mantle of being a progressive area.
Then you should be happy that the magnet lottery now prefers students from low SES areas.
Except they didn’t get rid of the local set-aside. Those kids have their very own lottery for a significant number of the seats.
This is one of many reasons why families that value education choose TP.
What everyone is saying is what about families that value education but can’t afford to “choose TP?” Shouldn’t there be roughly equivalent access regardless of SES?
+1. I think the same access to programs and resources to implement those programs should be available at all MCPS schools.
TP is economically diverse, and much of it is very affordable I think it's great that an area like this is making a high-quality education available to everyone. The same can't be said about Western moco which isn't economically diverse and seems to revel in opportunity hoarding.
Except the special/set-aside opportunites in TP end up taken highly disproportionately by the high-SES families owning in relatively expensive SFH areas, not accruing to the lower SES families that give the overall area diversity, (although pocketed, geographically).
Get rid of the set-asides. Sometime I think that the combination of "That's why we chose TP!" and [whatever logical fallicy that amounts to "Don't heed the posts outlining systemic inequities."] is just a real estate agent or two trying to preserve the relative value of their commissions. Not that that behavior is exclusive to TP (see: Ws).
From what I've seen as a parent with kids who have gone through these programs, that's not true. TKPK is diverse, as are the students who participate in these programs, especially in comparison to those selected from the larger county. However, if it makes you feel good to believe otherwise, knock yourself out. The set aside provides a wonderful opportunity for many kids without taking spots away from the program.
How does it not take spots away?
This.
Because it ADDS spots specifically for local kids.
No, it doesn't. The school that hosts the program sets aside spots which are in addition to the 100 spots for the program.
And how does that mean anything other than what I said? There are 100 spots up for grabs and 25 extra spots taken from the general population that are inbound for school. Ergo it doesn’t take anything away from anyone else.
Um, if they did not set aside seats for students from your one middle school, there would be 125 seats available to students from all the down county middle schools in the pool rather than 100.
No there's only room for 100 students from outside the boundary. It would overcrowd the school so it's not an option. Those seats come from the host school. It's really not that hard to comprehend. You just need to try a little harder.
I'm curious if this is 1 person spamming nonsense or if TP is full of rich people who can't think things through or can't handle admitting their privilege.
Even if the school were at capacity, the borders could be adjusted to make it not overcrowded.
I don’t think the person spamming is from Takoma park. They don’t seem to understand set asides and are insistent that their is kid missing out. There are several people responding to that spammer who keep trying to explain that the school can not add extra seats for out of boundary kids just because some nutter on DCUM wants them to. They aren’t smart enough to get that and want to say the same thing again and again. I can only conclude that they want those 25 spots removed so that no one gets to benefit from them if their kids can’t.
Are you continuing the gag? The took the same side of the argument as the TP spammer.
You must be confused. The only spamming has been from the poster who keeps insisting that places are being taken away from others. Posting the same thing over and over.
It's impossible to take spammer seriously because they make no sense.
True, the program has only 100 slots. The rest come from the school.
All 125 kids, the 25 from TP and the other 100 from the rest of the lower county, are in the same program, taking the same magnet classes. TP residents just have a much greater chance of being chosen, since the overall TP-area student population is much, much less than a quarter of student population from the rest of the lower county.
But you keep on with your sock-puppet distractions, there...
NP.
All of you sound nuts.
MCPS could open up the 25 seats to the rest of the county if they wanted to do it, the question of the school being overenrolled aside. Given how few seats there are in MS magnets there's a strong argument for doing so.
I personally think that it's really important for the magnets to be integrated into their home schools and the 25 set aside help achieve that. Having had kids in all three levels of magnets I have seen the tensions that occur when the larger community views the magnet kids as interlopers and it's really unfortunate.
Anonymous wrote:NP.
All of you sound nuts.
MCPS could open up the 25 seats to the rest of the county if they wanted to do it, the question of the school being overenrolled aside. Given how few seats there are in MS magnets there's a strong argument for doing so.
I personally think that it's really important for the magnets to be integrated into their home schools and the 25 set aside help achieve that. Having had kids in all three levels of magnets I have seen the tensions that occur when the larger community views the magnet kids as interlopers and it's really unfortunate.
There just enough qualified students to do this. Magnets are meant for the best and brightest.
Anonymous wrote:NP.
All of you sound nuts.
MCPS could open up the 25 seats to the rest of the county if they wanted to do it, the question of the school being overenrolled aside. Given how few seats there are in MS magnets there's a strong argument for doing so.
I personally think that it's really important for the magnets to be integrated into their home schools and the 25 set aside help achieve that. Having had kids in all three levels of magnets I have seen the tensions that occur when the larger community views the magnet kids as interlopers and it's really unfortunate.
There just enough qualified students to do this. Magnets are meant for the best and brightest.
Magnets are there to meet an educational need.
MCPS should be addressing the need of any who demonstrate it -- that's actually written into the Code of Maryland. If they don't have enough magnet seats, they should be meeting the need locally with something reasonably, but demonstrably, equivalent.
MCPS should be doing a betrer job of identifying the need. MAP isn't the right tool for that, for all the reasons previously noted.
Anonymous wrote:NP.
All of you sound nuts.
MCPS could open up the 25 seats to the rest of the county if they wanted to do it, the question of the school being overenrolled aside. Given how few seats there are in MS magnets there's a strong argument for doing so.
I personally think that it's really important for the magnets to be integrated into their home schools and the 25 set aside help achieve that. Having had kids in all three levels of magnets I have seen the tensions that occur when the larger community views the magnet kids as interlopers and it's really unfortunate.
There just enough qualified students to do this. Magnets are meant for the best and brightest.
Magnets are there to meet an educational need.
MCPS should be addressing the need of any who demonstrate it -- that's actually written into the Code of Maryland. If they don't have enough magnet seats, they should be meeting the need locally with something reasonably, but demonstrably, equivalent.
MCPS should be doing a betrer job of identifying the need. MAP isn't the right tool for that, for all the reasons previously noted.
Anonymous wrote:NP.
All of you sound nuts.
MCPS could open up the 25 seats to the rest of the county if they wanted to do it, the question of the school being overenrolled aside. Given how few seats there are in MS magnets there's a strong argument for doing so.
I personally think that it's really important for the magnets to be integrated into their home schools and the 25 set aside help achieve that. Having had kids in all three levels of magnets I have seen the tensions that occur when the larger community views the magnet kids as interlopers and it's really unfortunate.
There just enough qualified students to do this. Magnets are meant for the best and brightest.
Magnets are there to meet an educational need.
MCPS should be addressing the need of any who demonstrate it -- that's actually written into the Code of Maryland. If they don't have enough magnet seats, they should be meeting the need locally with something reasonably, but demonstrably, equivalent.
MCPS should be doing a betrer job of identifying the need. MAP isn't the right tool for that, for all the reasons previously noted.
Anonymous wrote:NP.
All of you sound nuts.
MCPS could open up the 25 seats to the rest of the county if they wanted to do it, the question of the school being overenrolled aside. Given how few seats there are in MS magnets there's a strong argument for doing so.
I personally think that it's really important for the magnets to be integrated into their home schools and the 25 set aside help achieve that. Having had kids in all three levels of magnets I have seen the tensions that occur when the larger community views the magnet kids as interlopers and it's really unfortunate.
There just enough qualified students to do this. Magnets are meant for the best and brightest.
Magnets are there to meet an educational need.
MCPS should be addressing the need of any who demonstrate it -- that's actually written into the Code of Maryland. If they don't have enough magnet seats, they should be meeting the need locally with something reasonably, but demonstrably, equivalent.
MCPS should be doing a betrer job of identifying the need. MAP isn't the right tool for that, for all the reasons previously noted.
WRONG!
Eloquent response. Care to elaborate?
I think they would prefer a test that favors those who can afford elite tutors instead of MAP.
Anonymous wrote:NP.
All of you sound nuts.
MCPS could open up the 25 seats to the rest of the county if they wanted to do it, the question of the school being overenrolled aside. Given how few seats there are in MS magnets there's a strong argument for doing so.
I personally think that it's really important for the magnets to be integrated into their home schools and the 25 set aside help achieve that. Having had kids in all three levels of magnets I have seen the tensions that occur when the larger community views the magnet kids as interlopers and it's really unfortunate.
There just enough qualified students to do this. Magnets are meant for the best and brightest.
Magnets are there to meet an educational need.
MCPS should be addressing the need of any who demonstrate it -- that's actually written into the Code of Maryland. If they don't have enough magnet seats, they should be meeting the need locally with something reasonably, but demonstrably, equivalent.
MCPS should be doing a betrer job of identifying the need. MAP isn't the right tool for that, for all the reasons previously noted.
WRONG!
Eloquent response. Care to elaborate?
I think they would prefer a test that favors those who can afford elite tutors instead of MAP.
...which is entirely more gameable in the first place via a number of methods that favor those with greater family resources, elite tutors or no.
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