Are the MAP score percentiles meaningful?

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Why are people calling Takoma Park an expensive "nicer area"?
It has below average median income for MoCo.

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Anonymous wrote:Why are people calling Takoma Park an expensive "nicer area"?
It has below average median income for MoCo.

It also has million dollar homes and a class divide.

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Anonymous wrote:Why are people calling Takoma Park an expensive "nicer area"?
It has below average median income for MoCo.

It also has million dollar homes and a class divide.

So it's a microcosm of the county.

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Anonymous wrote:What a strange thread. To the OP—don’t sweat the scores yet. Like a PP said, there are so many variables at play for a test given at that age, and really, they are still learning basic math regardless of what they score.

And to the PPs fighting about TKPK progressivism— you are right that most progressives find that their values erode in the face of trying to find a school that will meet their kids’ needs and give them the best education they can get. This isn’t unique to any location. this thread is like watching latte sipping liberals deride oat milk latte sipping liberals. If you want that sort of a program at your school, advocate for it.

Call a spade a spade. "Go advocate" is dismissive. Advocacy includes debate like this, and that debate often comes when one poster responds to an OP with something clearly incorrect or slanted to drive one side of an ongoing debate, engendering a response.

Ignore it if it doesn't interest you. Listen and decide if it does.

Advocacy includes bashing the libs in TKPK on an anonymous board??

If you want more enrichment starting younger at your ES, you should ask your principal about that. Or if you think your district doesn’t have enough enrichment option (through magnet spots or regular programming) you might engage the school board. But pointing a finger at liberal hypocrisy isn’t going to solve any of the problems you claim to have you your school. Unless you are perfectly happy with your school and your problem is just that you are bored and want to make fun of people in a neighboring town, then by all means this thread is an effective means to accomplish your goals.

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OP

at our MCPS elementary school they call one enriched and the other will only receive enrichment on an “as needed” basis.

Which school?

Takoma Park Elementary

This may be a holdover from prior years, then, and not representative of MCPS. TPES/PBES (K-2/3-5 pairing) was the sole (I think) GT program-type school for locals with cohorted differentiation in early grades. There are/were others (Stonegate?), but they were K-5, following the CES model for 4th & 5th grade, but for the local catchment only.

One of the many weirdnesses of TP. Espousing super-progressivism, but happy to hoard an opportunity like this that largely falls to those in TP with means.

It's not TP's fault that the other schools are run poorly.

Sure, but it is inner TP's progressive hypocrisy (not that I'm against reasonable progressivism, itself) for insisting on this paradigm (available only to them, and generally benefitting the high SES families) when the TP schools were opened up to the "greater TP" area (with significant low SES and immigrant populations). Not to mention the in-catchment reserve for the Math/Science/CS criteria-based MS program at TPMS that makes it about 4 times as likely for a TP student to be admitted as those from the lower county catchment for that program.

I know TP families have access to the best programs. We figured this out and moved there for that reason. Our kids went through the ES magnet, the CES program, the MS magnet, and even Blair SMCS magnet. A lot of families pick their homes because of the reputation of the school pyramid, nothing wrong with that...

It’s gatekeeping and hoarding resources, locked behind high priced homes, and all under the mantle of being a progressive area.

Then you should be happy that the magnet lottery now prefers students from low SES areas.

Except they didn’t get rid of the local set-aside. Those kids have their very own lottery for a significant number of the seats.

This is one of many reasons why families that value education choose TP.

What everyone is saying is what about families that value education but can’t afford to “choose TP?” Shouldn’t there be roughly equivalent access regardless of SES?

+1. I think the same access to programs and resources to implement those programs should be available at all MCPS schools.

TP is economically diverse, and much of it is very affordable I think it's great that an area like this is making a high-quality education available to everyone. The same can't be said about Western moco which isn't economically diverse and seems to revel in opportunity hoarding.

Except the special/set-aside opportunites in TP end up taken highly disproportionately by the high-SES families owning in relatively expensive SFH areas, not accruing to the lower SES families that give the overall area diversity, (although pocketed, geographically).

Get rid of the set-asides. Sometime I think that the combination of "That's why we chose TP!" and [whatever logical fallicy that amounts to "Don't heed the posts outlining systemic inequities."] is just a real estate agent or two trying to preserve the relative value of their commissions. Not that that behavior is exclusive to TP (see: Ws).

From what I've seen as a parent with kids who have gone through these programs, that's not true. TKPK is diverse, as are the students who participate in these programs, especially in comparison to those selected from the larger county. However, if it makes you feel good to believe otherwise, knock yourself out. The set aside provides a wonderful opportunity for many kids without taking spots away from the program.

How does it not take spots away?

This.

Because it ADDS spots specifically for local kids.

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Anonymous wrote:Why are people calling Takoma Park an expensive "nicer area"?
It has below average median income for MoCo.

It also has million dollar homes and a class divide.

Yes, it has economic diversity.

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OP

at our MCPS elementary school they call one enriched and the other will only receive enrichment on an “as needed” basis.

Which school?

Takoma Park Elementary

This may be a holdover from prior years, then, and not representative of MCPS. TPES/PBES (K-2/3-5 pairing) was the sole (I think) GT program-type school for locals with cohorted differentiation in early grades. There are/were others (Stonegate?), but they were K-5, following the CES model for 4th & 5th grade, but for the local catchment only.

One of the many weirdnesses of TP. Espousing super-progressivism, but happy to hoard an opportunity like this that largely falls to those in TP with means.

It's not TP's fault that the other schools are run poorly.

Sure, but it is inner TP's progressive hypocrisy (not that I'm against reasonable progressivism, itself) for insisting on this paradigm (available only to them, and generally benefitting the high SES families) when the TP schools were opened up to the "greater TP" area (with significant low SES and immigrant populations). Not to mention the in-catchment reserve for the Math/Science/CS criteria-based MS program at TPMS that makes it about 4 times as likely for a TP student to be admitted as those from the lower county catchment for that program.

I know TP families have access to the best programs. We figured this out and moved there for that reason. Our kids went through the ES magnet, the CES program, the MS magnet, and even Blair SMCS magnet. A lot of families pick their homes because of the reputation of the school pyramid, nothing wrong with that...

It’s gatekeeping and hoarding resources, locked behind high priced homes, and all under the mantle of being a progressive area.

Then you should be happy that the magnet lottery now prefers students from low SES areas.

Except they didn’t get rid of the local set-aside. Those kids have their very own lottery for a significant number of the seats.

This is one of many reasons why families that value education choose TP.

What everyone is saying is what about families that value education but can’t afford to “choose TP?” Shouldn’t there be roughly equivalent access regardless of SES?

+1. I think the same access to programs and resources to implement those programs should be available at all MCPS schools.

TP is economically diverse, and much of it is very affordable I think it's great that an area like this is making a high-quality education available to everyone. The same can't be said about Western moco which isn't economically diverse and seems to revel in opportunity hoarding.

Except the special/set-aside opportunites in TP end up taken highly disproportionately by the high-SES families owning in relatively expensive SFH areas, not accruing to the lower SES families that give the overall area diversity, (although pocketed, geographically).

Get rid of the set-asides. Sometime I think that the combination of "That's why we chose TP!" and [whatever logical fallicy that amounts to "Don't heed the posts outlining systemic inequities."] is just a real estate agent or two trying to preserve the relative value of their commissions. Not that that behavior is exclusive to TP (see: Ws).

From what I've seen as a parent with kids who have gone through these programs, that's not true. TKPK is diverse, as are the students who participate in these programs, especially in comparison to those selected from the larger county. However, if it makes you feel good to believe otherwise, knock yourself out. The set aside provides a wonderful opportunity for many kids without taking spots away from the program.

How does it not take spots away?

This.

Because it ADDS spots specifically for local kids.

No, it doesn't. The school that hosts the program sets aside spots which are in addition to the 100 spots for the program.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t think that MCPS has different levels of math classes until 4th grade, when compacted math 4/5 starts.

OP

at our MCPS elementary school they call one enriched and the other will only receive enrichment on an “as needed” basis.

Which school?

Takoma Park Elementary

This may be a holdover from prior years, then, and not representative of MCPS. TPES/PBES (K-2/3-5 pairing) was the sole (I think) GT program-type school for locals with cohorted differentiation in early grades. There are/were others (Stonegate?), but they were K-5, following the CES model for 4th & 5th grade, but for the local catchment only.

One of the many weirdnesses of TP. Espousing super-progressivism, but happy to hoard an opportunity like this that largely falls to those in TP with means.

It's not TP's fault that the other schools are run poorly.

Sure, but it is inner TP's progressive hypocrisy (not that I'm against reasonable progressivism, itself) for insisting on this paradigm (available only to them, and generally benefitting the high SES families) when the TP schools were opened up to the "greater TP" area (with significant low SES and immigrant populations). Not to mention the in-catchment reserve for the Math/Science/CS criteria-based MS program at TPMS that makes it about 4 times as likely for a TP student to be admitted as those from the lower county catchment for that program.

I know TP families have access to the best programs. We figured this out and moved there for that reason. Our kids went through the ES magnet, the CES program, the MS magnet, and even Blair SMCS magnet. A lot of families pick their homes because of the reputation of the school pyramid, nothing wrong with that...

It’s gatekeeping and hoarding resources, locked behind high priced homes, and all under the mantle of being a progressive area.

Then you should be happy that the magnet lottery now prefers students from low SES areas.

Except they didn’t get rid of the local set-aside. Those kids have their very own lottery for a significant number of the seats.

This is one of many reasons why families that value education choose TP.

What everyone is saying is what about families that value education but can’t afford to “choose TP?” Shouldn’t there be roughly equivalent access regardless of SES?

+1. I think the same access to programs and resources to implement those programs should be available at all MCPS schools.

TP is economically diverse, and much of it is very affordable I think it's great that an area like this is making a high-quality education available to everyone. The same can't be said about Western moco which isn't economically diverse and seems to revel in opportunity hoarding.

Except the special/set-aside opportunites in TP end up taken highly disproportionately by the high-SES families owning in relatively expensive SFH areas, not accruing to the lower SES families that give the overall area diversity, (although pocketed, geographically).

Get rid of the set-asides. Sometime I think that the combination of "That's why we chose TP!" and [whatever logical fallicy that amounts to "Don't heed the posts outlining systemic inequities."] is just a real estate agent or two trying to preserve the relative value of their commissions. Not that that behavior is exclusive to TP (see: Ws).

From what I've seen as a parent with kids who have gone through these programs, that's not true. TKPK is diverse, as are the students who participate in these programs, especially in comparison to those selected from the larger county. However, if it makes you feel good to believe otherwise, knock yourself out. The set aside provides a wonderful opportunity for many kids without taking spots away from the program.

Exactly!

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At DC's school it's all one level in 1st grade with 3-4 kids being pulled out for enrichment. These kids are probably 99th percentile a few grades higher than 1st.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t think that MCPS has different levels of math classes until 4th grade, when compacted math 4/5 starts.

OP

at our MCPS elementary school they call one enriched and the other will only receive enrichment on an “as needed” basis.

Which school?

Takoma Park Elementary

This may be a holdover from prior years, then, and not representative of MCPS. TPES/PBES (K-2/3-5 pairing) was the sole (I think) GT program-type school for locals with cohorted differentiation in early grades. There are/were others (Stonegate?), but they were K-5, following the CES model for 4th & 5th grade, but for the local catchment only.

One of the many weirdnesses of TP. Espousing super-progressivism, but happy to hoard an opportunity like this that largely falls to those in TP with means.

It's not TP's fault that the other schools are run poorly.

Sure, but it is inner TP's progressive hypocrisy (not that I'm against reasonable progressivism, itself) for insisting on this paradigm (available only to them, and generally benefitting the high SES families) when the TP schools were opened up to the "greater TP" area (with significant low SES and immigrant populations). Not to mention the in-catchment reserve for the Math/Science/CS criteria-based MS program at TPMS that makes it about 4 times as likely for a TP student to be admitted as those from the lower county catchment for that program.

I know TP families have access to the best programs. We figured this out and moved there for that reason. Our kids went through the ES magnet, the CES program, the MS magnet, and even Blair SMCS magnet. A lot of families pick their homes because of the reputation of the school pyramid, nothing wrong with that...

It’s gatekeeping and hoarding resources, locked behind high priced homes, and all under the mantle of being a progressive area.

Then you should be happy that the magnet lottery now prefers students from low SES areas.

Except they didn’t get rid of the local set-aside. Those kids have their very own lottery for a significant number of the seats.

This is one of many reasons why families that value education choose TP.

What everyone is saying is what about families that value education but can’t afford to “choose TP?” Shouldn’t there be roughly equivalent access regardless of SES?

+1. I think the same access to programs and resources to implement those programs should be available at all MCPS schools.

TP is economically diverse, and much of it is very affordable I think it's great that an area like this is making a high-quality education available to everyone. The same can't be said about Western moco which isn't economically diverse and seems to revel in opportunity hoarding.

Except the special/set-aside opportunites in TP end up taken highly disproportionately by the high-SES families owning in relatively expensive SFH areas, not accruing to the lower SES families that give the overall area diversity, (although pocketed, geographically).

Get rid of the set-asides. Sometime I think that the combination of "That's why we chose TP!" and [whatever logical fallicy that amounts to "Don't heed the posts outlining systemic inequities."] is just a real estate agent or two trying to preserve the relative value of their commissions. Not that that behavior is exclusive to TP (see: Ws).

It is unfortunately true that Takoma Park set asides end up benefitting mostly UMC white families from our anecdotal evidence at DC's school. I still support them because I think it helps the programs integrate into the larger school communities but I wish they would weigh SES more heavily in selecting students for these spots.

[Anonymous]

Median home price in August

Takoma Park 867K
Rockville 575K
Silver Spring 520K
Gaithersburg 500K

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Median home price in August

Takoma Park 867K
Rockville 575K
Silver Spring 520K
Gaithersburg 500K

I live in TKPK and love it, but this is not a meaningful metric because housing in Takoma Park is bimodal. Expensive SFHs next to affordable multi-family dwellings. That's one of the things I love about our city, but it doesn't "prove" anything except that we lack affordable SFHs.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t think that MCPS has different levels of math classes until 4th grade, when compacted math 4/5 starts.

OP

at our MCPS elementary school they call one enriched and the other will only receive enrichment on an “as needed” basis.

Which school?

Takoma Park Elementary

This may be a holdover from prior years, then, and not representative of MCPS. TPES/PBES (K-2/3-5 pairing) was the sole (I think) GT program-type school for locals with cohorted differentiation in early grades. There are/were others (Stonegate?), but they were K-5, following the CES model for 4th & 5th grade, but for the local catchment only.

One of the many weirdnesses of TP. Espousing super-progressivism, but happy to hoard an opportunity like this that largely falls to those in TP with means.

It's not TP's fault that the other schools are run poorly.

Sure, but it is inner TP's progressive hypocrisy (not that I'm against reasonable progressivism, itself) for insisting on this paradigm (available only to them, and generally benefitting the high SES families) when the TP schools were opened up to the "greater TP" area (with significant low SES and immigrant populations). Not to mention the in-catchment reserve for the Math/Science/CS criteria-based MS program at TPMS that makes it about 4 times as likely for a TP student to be admitted as those from the lower county catchment for that program.

I know TP families have access to the best programs. We figured this out and moved there for that reason. Our kids went through the ES magnet, the CES program, the MS magnet, and even Blair SMCS magnet. A lot of families pick their homes because of the reputation of the school pyramid, nothing wrong with that...

It’s gatekeeping and hoarding resources, locked behind high priced homes, and all under the mantle of being a progressive area.

Then you should be happy that the magnet lottery now prefers students from low SES areas.

Except they didn’t get rid of the local set-aside. Those kids have their very own lottery for a significant number of the seats.

This is one of many reasons why families that value education choose TP.

What everyone is saying is what about families that value education but can’t afford to “choose TP?” Shouldn’t there be roughly equivalent access regardless of SES?

+1. I think the same access to programs and resources to implement those programs should be available at all MCPS schools.

TP is economically diverse, and much of it is very affordable I think it's great that an area like this is making a high-quality education available to everyone. The same can't be said about Western moco which isn't economically diverse and seems to revel in opportunity hoarding.

Except the special/set-aside opportunites in TP end up taken highly disproportionately by the high-SES families owning in relatively expensive SFH areas, not accruing to the lower SES families that give the overall area diversity, (although pocketed, geographically).

Get rid of the set-asides. Sometime I think that the combination of "That's why we chose TP!" and [whatever logical fallicy that amounts to "Don't heed the posts outlining systemic inequities."] is just a real estate agent or two trying to preserve the relative value of their commissions. Not that that behavior is exclusive to TP (see: Ws).

It is unfortunately true that Takoma Park set asides end up benefitting mostly UMC white families from our anecdotal evidence at DC's school. I still support them because I think it helps the programs integrate into the larger school communities but I wish they would weigh SES more heavily in selecting students for these spots.

Why would you want a parent’s wealth to be a factor in determining the appropriate educational program for a child? It’s public school. Everyone should have the opportunity. I’ve had it with certain groups being given more or less based on factors entirely unrelated to their performance or demonstrated educational needs.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t think that MCPS has different levels of math classes until 4th grade, when compacted math 4/5 starts.

OP

at our MCPS elementary school they call one enriched and the other will only receive enrichment on an “as needed” basis.

Which school?

Takoma Park Elementary

This may be a holdover from prior years, then, and not representative of MCPS. TPES/PBES (K-2/3-5 pairing) was the sole (I think) GT program-type school for locals with cohorted differentiation in early grades. There are/were others (Stonegate?), but they were K-5, following the CES model for 4th & 5th grade, but for the local catchment only.

One of the many weirdnesses of TP. Espousing super-progressivism, but happy to hoard an opportunity like this that largely falls to those in TP with means.

It's not TP's fault that the other schools are run poorly.

Sure, but it is inner TP's progressive hypocrisy (not that I'm against reasonable progressivism, itself) for insisting on this paradigm (available only to them, and generally benefitting the high SES families) when the TP schools were opened up to the "greater TP" area (with significant low SES and immigrant populations). Not to mention the in-catchment reserve for the Math/Science/CS criteria-based MS program at TPMS that makes it about 4 times as likely for a TP student to be admitted as those from the lower county catchment for that program.

I know TP families have access to the best programs. We figured this out and moved there for that reason. Our kids went through the ES magnet, the CES program, the MS magnet, and even Blair SMCS magnet. A lot of families pick their homes because of the reputation of the school pyramid, nothing wrong with that...

It’s gatekeeping and hoarding resources, locked behind high priced homes, and all under the mantle of being a progressive area.

Then you should be happy that the magnet lottery now prefers students from low SES areas.

Except they didn’t get rid of the local set-aside. Those kids have their very own lottery for a significant number of the seats.

This is one of many reasons why families that value education choose TP.

What everyone is saying is what about families that value education but can’t afford to “choose TP?” Shouldn’t there be roughly equivalent access regardless of SES?

+1. I think the same access to programs and resources to implement those programs should be available at all MCPS schools.

TP is economically diverse, and much of it is very affordable I think it's great that an area like this is making a high-quality education available to everyone. The same can't be said about Western moco which isn't economically diverse and seems to revel in opportunity hoarding.

Except the special/set-aside opportunites in TP end up taken highly disproportionately by the high-SES families owning in relatively expensive SFH areas, not accruing to the lower SES families that give the overall area diversity, (although pocketed, geographically).

Get rid of the set-asides. Sometime I think that the combination of "That's why we chose TP!" and [whatever logical fallicy that amounts to "Don't heed the posts outlining systemic inequities."] is just a real estate agent or two trying to preserve the relative value of their commissions. Not that that behavior is exclusive to TP (see: Ws).

From what I've seen as a parent with kids who have gone through these programs, that's not true. TKPK is diverse, as are the students who participate in these programs, especially in comparison to those selected from the larger county. However, if it makes you feel good to believe otherwise, knock yourself out. The set aside provides a wonderful opportunity for many kids without taking spots away from the program.

How does it not take spots away?

This.

Because it ADDS spots specifically for local kids.

No, it doesn't. The school that hosts the program sets aside spots which are in addition to the 100 spots for the program.

And how does that mean anything other than what I said? There are 100 spots up for grabs and 25 extra spots taken from the general population that are inbound for school. Ergo it doesn’t take anything away from anyone else.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t think that MCPS has different levels of math classes until 4th grade, when compacted math 4/5 starts.

OP

at our MCPS elementary school they call one enriched and the other will only receive enrichment on an “as needed” basis.

Which school?

Takoma Park Elementary

This may be a holdover from prior years, then, and not representative of MCPS. TPES/PBES (K-2/3-5 pairing) was the sole (I think) GT program-type school for locals with cohorted differentiation in early grades. There are/were others (Stonegate?), but they were K-5, following the CES model for 4th & 5th grade, but for the local catchment only.

One of the many weirdnesses of TP. Espousing super-progressivism, but happy to hoard an opportunity like this that largely falls to those in TP with means.

It's not TP's fault that the other schools are run poorly.

Sure, but it is inner TP's progressive hypocrisy (not that I'm against reasonable progressivism, itself) for insisting on this paradigm (available only to them, and generally benefitting the high SES families) when the TP schools were opened up to the "greater TP" area (with significant low SES and immigrant populations). Not to mention the in-catchment reserve for the Math/Science/CS criteria-based MS program at TPMS that makes it about 4 times as likely for a TP student to be admitted as those from the lower county catchment for that program.

I know TP families have access to the best programs. We figured this out and moved there for that reason. Our kids went through the ES magnet, the CES program, the MS magnet, and even Blair SMCS magnet. A lot of families pick their homes because of the reputation of the school pyramid, nothing wrong with that...

It’s gatekeeping and hoarding resources, locked behind high priced homes, and all under the mantle of being a progressive area.

Then you should be happy that the magnet lottery now prefers students from low SES areas.

Didn't MCPS say the lottery was "random"? How can a "lottery" "prefer students from low SES areas?

Sounds like the hand is in the cookie jar