Thomas Jefferson High School drops to 5th in latest US News ranking

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Anonymous wrote:It doesn't matter when the rankings were made. People have already said TJ's scores will go down because they are no longer selecting for students who do well on tests. A high ranking is not the goal.

However, scores might go up, since someone posted above that the scores are compared to the expectations based on the racial makeup of the school. With more blacks and Hispanics, who will presumably outperform the typical black and Hispanic student. the test rankings might go up.

But a high ranking is the goal. To the parents.
The fact that their child's education is excellent, that US News rankings don't really matter and that the article says there's little difference between 5th and 1st doesn't matter.
The rankings matter so the parents can feel superior.

And this is why TJ is such a healthier place now - they've begun replacing the parents. The kids selected by the old process have never been the problem.

How's TJ healthier now? Why suppressing the parents (the tax payers) is a good thing?

The focus is moving away from prestige and individualism and in the direction of a complete education that prepares students to collaborate with a 21st century population.

So, implementing discrimination and parent suppression would achieve that. Wow

Improving access to all groups achieves that. Why do you think that your community has some sort of immutable right to every space at TJ? Is it because you falsely believe that only Asian parents care about education?

There remain over 15 times as many Asian students as Black students at TJ. Is that somehow not enough for you?

Have you ever complained there are too many black NBA players?
I don't.
What a self-serving hypocrite.

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Anonymous wrote:It doesn't matter when the rankings were made. People have already said TJ's scores will go down because they are no longer selecting for students who do well on tests. A high ranking is not the goal.

However, scores might go up, since someone posted above that the scores are compared to the expectations based on the racial makeup of the school. With more blacks and Hispanics, who will presumably outperform the typical black and Hispanic student. the test rankings might go up.

Sure, let's just ignore the fact that Asian American students with stronger merit credentials were denied admission. No racial manipulation of outcomes going on here.

Citation needed, aside from the fact that for 35 years it has ALWAYS been the case that some kids with stronger objective credentials were not selected ("denied admission" suggests that they had some sort of birthright to it, which is incredibly presumptive) in favor of other students.

Unless you believe that the old admissions process 1) was designed to relentlessly identify the students with the strongest objective credentials; and 2) was perfect in identifying those students - neither of which is true.

Out of the total 2548 applicants for 2027 class, 1068 asian americans vs. 154 black americans vs. 191 hispanic americans were denied admission. And, the process was race blind?

At TJ in the early years we had to read "How to Lie with Statistics" and I can see this statistic is meaningless.... Nice try...hope you're not putting the court cases together...well actually I do.

Numbers dont lie. Applicants by race = admitted by race + denied by race

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Anonymous wrote:It doesn't matter when the rankings were made. People have already said TJ's scores will go down because they are no longer selecting for students who do well on tests. A high ranking is not the goal.

However, scores might go up, since someone posted above that the scores are compared to the expectations based on the racial makeup of the school. With more blacks and Hispanics, who will presumably outperform the typical black and Hispanic student. the test rankings might go up.

Sure, let's just ignore the fact that Asian American students with stronger merit credentials were denied admission. No racial manipulation of outcomes going on here.

Citation needed, aside from the fact that for 35 years it has ALWAYS been the case that some kids with stronger objective credentials were not selected ("denied admission" suggests that they had some sort of birthright to it, which is incredibly presumptive) in favor of other students.

Unless you believe that the old admissions process 1) was designed to relentlessly identify the students with the strongest objective credentials; and 2) was perfect in identifying those students - neither of which is true.

Out of the total 2548 applicants for 2027 class, 1068 asian americans vs. 154 black americans vs. 191 hispanic americans were denied admission. And, the process was race blind?

At TJ in the early years we had to read "How to Lie with Statistics" and I can see this statistic is meaningless.... Nice try...hope you're not putting the court cases together...well actually I do.

Numbers dont lie. Applicants by race = admitted by race + denied by race

Wow, you are so good in math.

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Anonymous wrote:It doesn't matter when the rankings were made. People have already said TJ's scores will go down because they are no longer selecting for students who do well on tests. A high ranking is not the goal.

However, scores might go up, since someone posted above that the scores are compared to the expectations based on the racial makeup of the school. With more blacks and Hispanics, who will presumably outperform the typical black and Hispanic student. the test rankings might go up.

But a high ranking is the goal. To the parents.
The fact that their child's education is excellent, that US News rankings don't really matter and that the article says there's little difference between 5th and 1st doesn't matter.
The rankings matter so the parents can feel superior.

And this is why TJ is such a healthier place now - they've begun replacing the parents. The kids selected by the old process have never been the problem.

How's TJ healthier now? Why suppressing the parents (the tax payers) is a good thing?

The focus is moving away from prestige and individualism and in the direction of a complete education that prepares students to collaborate with a 21st century population.

So, implementing discrimination and parent suppression would achieve that. Wow

Improving access to all groups achieves that. Why do you think that your community has some sort of immutable right to every space at TJ? Is it because you falsely believe that only Asian parents care about education?

There remain over 15 times as many Asian students as Black students at TJ. Is that somehow not enough for you?

Have you ever complained there are too many black NBA players?
I don't.
What a self-serving hypocrite.

There still hasn’t been anyone who can actually justify comparing TJ to the NBA.

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Anonymous wrote:It doesn't matter when the rankings were made. People have already said TJ's scores will go down because they are no longer selecting for students who do well on tests. A high ranking is not the goal.

However, scores might go up, since someone posted above that the scores are compared to the expectations based on the racial makeup of the school. With more blacks and Hispanics, who will presumably outperform the typical black and Hispanic student. the test rankings might go up.

Sure, let's just ignore the fact that Asian American students with stronger merit credentials were denied admission. No racial manipulation of outcomes going on here.

Citation needed, aside from the fact that for 35 years it has ALWAYS been the case that some kids with stronger objective credentials were not selected ("denied admission" suggests that they had some sort of birthright to it, which is incredibly presumptive) in favor of other students.

Unless you believe that the old admissions process 1) was designed to relentlessly identify the students with the strongest objective credentials; and 2) was perfect in identifying those students - neither of which is true.

Out of the total 2548 applicants for 2027 class, 1068 asian americans vs. 154 black americans vs. 191 hispanic americans were denied admission. And, the process was race blind?

At TJ in the early years we had to read "How to Lie with Statistics" and I can see this statistic is meaningless.... Nice try...hope you're not putting the court cases together...well actually I do.

Numbers dont lie. Applicants by race = admitted by race + denied by race

If you actually want to go down this road, you have to acknowledge that Asians were still admitted at a higher rate per applicant than any other demographic.

But you won’t because it doesn’t fit your BS grievance narrative.

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Anonymous wrote:It doesn't matter when the rankings were made. People have already said TJ's scores will go down because they are no longer selecting for students who do well on tests. A high ranking is not the goal.

However, scores might go up, since someone posted above that the scores are compared to the expectations based on the racial makeup of the school. With more blacks and Hispanics, who will presumably outperform the typical black and Hispanic student. the test rankings might go up.

Sure, let's just ignore the fact that Asian American students with stronger merit credentials were denied admission. No racial manipulation of outcomes going on here.

Citation needed, aside from the fact that for 35 years it has ALWAYS been the case that some kids with stronger objective credentials were not selected ("denied admission" suggests that they had some sort of birthright to it, which is incredibly presumptive) in favor of other students.

Unless you believe that the old admissions process 1) was designed to relentlessly identify the students with the strongest objective credentials; and 2) was perfect in identifying those students - neither of which is true.

Out of the total 2548 applicants for 2027 class, 1068 asian americans vs. 154 black americans vs. 191 hispanic americans were denied admission. And, the process was race blind?

At TJ in the early years we had to read "How to Lie with Statistics" and I can see this statistic is meaningless.... Nice try...hope you're not putting the court cases together...well actually I do.

Numbers dont lie. Applicants by race = admitted by race + denied by race

If you actually want to go down this road, you have to acknowledge that Asians were still admitted at a higher rate per applicant than any other demographic.

But you won’t because it doesn’t fit your BS grievance narrative.

I understand the current system fit your BS ideology very well.

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Anonymous wrote:It doesn't matter when the rankings were made. People have already said TJ's scores will go down because they are no longer selecting for students who do well on tests. A high ranking is not the goal.

However, scores might go up, since someone posted above that the scores are compared to the expectations based on the racial makeup of the school. With more blacks and Hispanics, who will presumably outperform the typical black and Hispanic student. the test rankings might go up.

But a high ranking is the goal. To the parents.
The fact that their child's education is excellent, that US News rankings don't really matter and that the article says there's little difference between 5th and 1st doesn't matter.
The rankings matter so the parents can feel superior.

And this is why TJ is such a healthier place now - they've begun replacing the parents. The kids selected by the old process have never been the problem.

How's TJ healthier now? Why suppressing the parents (the tax payers) is a good thing?

The focus is moving away from prestige and individualism and in the direction of a complete education that prepares students to collaborate with a 21st century population.

So, implementing discrimination and parent suppression would achieve that. Wow

Improving access to all groups achieves that. Why do you think that your community has some sort of immutable right to every space at TJ? Is it because you falsely believe that only Asian parents care about education?

There remain over 15 times as many Asian students as Black students at TJ. Is that somehow not enough for you?

Have you ever complained there are too many black NBA players?
I don't.
What a self-serving hypocrite.

There still hasn’t been anyone who can actually justify comparing TJ to the NBA.

The percentage of black players is more than the percentage of black people in the US. According to your logic, it is systematic racism.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What really happened? How much of this is FCPS' own doing?

https://www.insidenova.com/headlines/thomas-jefferson-high-school-drops-to-5th-in-latest-us-news-ranking/article_b4ce2886-4692-11ee-a98b-4b0dbcb840c2.html

OP obviously missed or intentionally ignored this

“ The data was from before Thomas Jefferson High School implemented changes to how it admitted students into the highly selective school...”

thanks for wasting our time..

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It doesn't matter when the rankings were made. People have already said TJ's scores will go down because they are no longer selecting for students who do well on tests. A high ranking is not the goal.

However, scores might go up, since someone posted above that the scores are compared to the expectations based on the racial makeup of the school. With more blacks and Hispanics, who will presumably outperform the typical black and Hispanic student. the test rankings might go up.

Sure, let's just ignore the fact that Asian American students with stronger merit credentials were denied admission. No racial manipulation of outcomes going on here.

Citation needed, aside from the fact that for 35 years it has ALWAYS been the case that some kids with stronger objective credentials were not selected ("denied admission" suggests that they had some sort of birthright to it, which is incredibly presumptive) in favor of other students.

Unless you believe that the old admissions process 1) was designed to relentlessly identify the students with the strongest objective credentials; and 2) was perfect in identifying those students - neither of which is true.

Out of the total 2548 applicants for 2027 class, 1068 asian americans vs. 154 black americans vs. 191 hispanic americans were denied admission. And, the process was race blind?

At TJ in the early years we had to read "How to Lie with Statistics" and I can see this statistic is meaningless.... Nice try...hope you're not putting the court cases together...well actually I do.

Numbers dont lie. Applicants by race = admitted by race + denied by race

If you actually want to go down this road, you have to acknowledge that Asians were still admitted at a higher rate per applicant than any other demographic.

But you won’t because it doesn’t fit your BS grievance narrative.

Highest rate of admittance +
Highest number of admittance =

Zero discrimination

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It doesn't matter when the rankings were made. People have already said TJ's scores will go down because they are no longer selecting for students who do well on tests. A high ranking is not the goal.

However, scores might go up, since someone posted above that the scores are compared to the expectations based on the racial makeup of the school. With more blacks and Hispanics, who will presumably outperform the typical black and Hispanic student. the test rankings might go up.

But a high ranking is the goal. To the parents.
The fact that their child's education is excellent, that US News rankings don't really matter and that the article says there's little difference between 5th and 1st doesn't matter.
The rankings matter so the parents can feel superior.

And this is why TJ is such a healthier place now - they've begun replacing the parents. The kids selected by the old process have never been the problem.

How's TJ healthier now? Why suppressing the parents (the tax payers) is a good thing?

The focus is moving away from prestige and individualism and in the direction of a complete education that prepares students to collaborate with a 21st century population.

So, implementing discrimination and parent suppression would achieve that. Wow

Race is not considered during the admissions process.

And Asians have the highest rate and number of admissions. So...

No discrimination.

Don't lie. The main reason to keep changing the admission process is to engineer the racial demographic

Nope. It was to provide opportunities to kids from ALL middle schools.

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Anonymous wrote:Omg.

Everyone is freaking out about this but the schools they are #1-4 have <300 kids.

IN THE ENTIRE SCHOOL.

One of them has only two grades: 11-12th.

One of them has like 132 kids.

Of course if your school has 132 kids it’s going to be amazing.

TJ 1300+ kids. It’s not even comparable.

You’re like looking at a preschool enrollment vs a high school enrollment. Some of them don’t even have sat scores.

It’s so obvious the us news did this for the clicks.

Yeah, Princeton (#1) has 5300 undergrads and JMU (#151) has 20000 undergrads.
They are not comparable. No way Princeton is better than JMU

The point is that it’s a lot easier to hand-pick a small number of superstars vs 10x superstars.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What really happened? How much of this is FCPS' own doing?

https://www.insidenova.com/headlines/thomas-jefferson-high-school-drops-to-5th-in-latest-us-news-ranking/article_b4ce2886-4692-11ee-a98b-4b0dbcb840c2.html

OP obviously missed or intentionally ignored this

“ The data was from before Thomas Jefferson High School implemented changes to how it admitted students into the highly selective school...”

thanks for wasting our time..

So many those certain minorities weren’t doing so well after all.

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Anonymous wrote:It doesn't matter when the rankings were made. People have already said TJ's scores will go down because they are no longer selecting for students who do well on tests. A high ranking is not the goal.

However, scores might go up, since someone posted above that the scores are compared to the expectations based on the racial makeup of the school. With more blacks and Hispanics, who will presumably outperform the typical black and Hispanic student. the test rankings might go up.

Sure, let's just ignore the fact that Asian American students with stronger merit credentials were denied admission. No racial manipulation of outcomes going on here.

I guess the school board members are not Asians. No equality there.

Rachna Sizemore Heiser (South Asian American) and Abrar Omeish (West Asian American) would disagree. And they represent the entire county as At-Large members.

I have never heard of West Asian American being used to describe Arabs. Did you make that up? Genuinely curious.

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Anonymous wrote:It doesn't matter when the rankings were made. People have already said TJ's scores will go down because they are no longer selecting for students who do well on tests. A high ranking is not the goal.

However, scores might go up, since someone posted above that the scores are compared to the expectations based on the racial makeup of the school. With more blacks and Hispanics, who will presumably outperform the typical black and Hispanic student. the test rankings might go up.

Sure, let's just ignore the fact that Asian American students with stronger merit credentials were denied admission. No racial manipulation of outcomes going on here.

I guess the school board members are not Asians. No equality there.

Rachna Sizemore Heiser (South Asian American) and Abrar Omeish (West Asian American) would disagree. And they represent the entire county as At-Large members.

I have never heard of West Asian American being used to describe Arabs. Did you make that up? Genuinely curious.

They are Asians. They’re from the western part of Asia. What is complicated?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It doesn't matter when the rankings were made. People have already said TJ's scores will go down because they are no longer selecting for students who do well on tests. A high ranking is not the goal.

However, scores might go up, since someone posted above that the scores are compared to the expectations based on the racial makeup of the school. With more blacks and Hispanics, who will presumably outperform the typical black and Hispanic student. the test rankings might go up.

Sure, let's just ignore the fact that Asian American students with stronger merit credentials were denied admission. No racial manipulation of outcomes going on here.

I guess the school board members are not Asians. No equality there.

Rachna Sizemore Heiser (South Asian American) and Abrar Omeish (West Asian American) would disagree. And they represent the entire county as At-Large members.

I have never heard of West Asian American being used to describe Arabs. Did you make that up? Genuinely curious.

They are Asians. They’re from the western part of Asia. What is complicated?

Are you sure they aren't Middle Eastern Europeans?