Thomas Jefferson High School drops to 5th in latest US News ranking

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Anonymous wrote:It doesn't matter when the rankings were made. People have already said TJ's scores will go down because they are no longer selecting for students who do well on tests. A high ranking is not the goal.

However, scores might go up, since someone posted above that the scores are compared to the expectations based on the racial makeup of the school. With more blacks and Hispanics, who will presumably outperform the typical black and Hispanic student. the test rankings might go up.

But a high ranking is the goal. To the parents.
The fact that their child's education is excellent, that US News rankings don't really matter and that the article says there's little difference between 5th and 1st doesn't matter.
The rankings matter so the parents can feel superior.

And this is why TJ is such a healthier place now - they've begun replacing the parents. The kids selected by the old process have never been the problem.

How's TJ healthier now? Why suppressing the parents (the tax payers) is a good thing?

The focus is moving away from prestige and individualism and in the direction of a complete education that prepares students to collaborate with a 21st century population.

So, implementing discrimination and parent suppression would achieve that. Wow

Improving access to all groups achieves that. Why do you think that your community has some sort of immutable right to every space at TJ? Is it because you falsely believe that only Asian parents care about education?

There remain over 15 times as many Asian students as Black students at TJ. Is that somehow not enough for you?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It doesn't matter when the rankings were made. People have already said TJ's scores will go down because they are no longer selecting for students who do well on tests. A high ranking is not the goal.

However, scores might go up, since someone posted above that the scores are compared to the expectations based on the racial makeup of the school. With more blacks and Hispanics, who will presumably outperform the typical black and Hispanic student. the test rankings might go up.

Sure, let's just ignore the fact that Asian American students with stronger merit credentials were denied admission. No racial manipulation of outcomes going on here.

Citation needed, aside from the fact that for 35 years it has ALWAYS been the case that some kids with stronger objective credentials were not selected ("denied admission" suggests that they had some sort of birthright to it, which is incredibly presumptive) in favor of other students.

Unless you believe that the old admissions process 1) was designed to relentlessly identify the students with the strongest objective credentials; and 2) was perfect in identifying those students - neither of which is true.

Out of the total 2548 applicants for 2027 class, 1068 asian americans vs. 154 black americans vs. 191 hispanic americans were denied admission. And, the process was race blind?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What really happened? How much of this is FCPS' own doing?

https://www.insidenova.com/headlines/thomas-jefferson-high-school-drops-to-5th-in-latest-us-news-ranking/article_b4ce2886-4692-11ee-a98b-4b0dbcb840c2.html

I can tell you what happens every year. US News needs clicks on its website and if the same schools are always in the same order no one will care and there will be fewer clicks. So, they figure out a way to scramble the top schools up a bit and rearrange them every year so things change and they get more clicks.

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:It doesn't matter when the rankings were made. People have already said TJ's scores will go down because they are no longer selecting for students who do well on tests. A high ranking is not the goal.

However, scores might go up, since someone posted above that the scores are compared to the expectations based on the racial makeup of the school. With more blacks and Hispanics, who will presumably outperform the typical black and Hispanic student. the test rankings might go up.

Sure, let's just ignore the fact that Asian American students with stronger merit credentials were denied admission. No racial manipulation of outcomes going on here.

Citation needed, aside from the fact that for 35 years it has ALWAYS been the case that some kids with stronger objective credentials were not selected ("denied admission" suggests that they had some sort of birthright to it, which is incredibly presumptive) in favor of other students.

Unless you believe that the old admissions process 1) was designed to relentlessly identify the students with the strongest objective credentials; and 2) was perfect in identifying those students - neither of which is true.

Out of the total 2548 applicants for 2027 class, 1068 asian americans vs. 154 black americans vs. 191 hispanic americans were denied admission. And, the process was race blind?

At TJ in the early years we had to read "How to Lie with Statistics" and I can see this statistic is meaningless.... Nice try...hope you're not putting the court cases together...well actually I do.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It doesn't matter when the rankings were made. People have already said TJ's scores will go down because they are no longer selecting for students who do well on tests. A high ranking is not the goal.

However, scores might go up, since someone posted above that the scores are compared to the expectations based on the racial makeup of the school. With more blacks and Hispanics, who will presumably outperform the typical black and Hispanic student. the test rankings might go up.

But a high ranking is the goal. To the parents.
The fact that their child's education is excellent, that US News rankings don't really matter and that the article says there's little difference between 5th and 1st doesn't matter.
The rankings matter so the parents can feel superior.

And this is why TJ is such a healthier place now - they've begun replacing the parents. The kids selected by the old process have never been the problem.

How's TJ healthier now? Why suppressing the parents (the tax payers) is a good thing?

The focus is moving away from prestige and individualism and in the direction of a complete education that prepares students to collaborate with a 21st century population.

So, implementing discrimination and parent suppression would achieve that. Wow

Race is not considered during the admissions process.

And Asians have the highest rate and number of admissions. So...

No discrimination.

[Anonymous]

Omg.

Everyone is freaking out about this but the schools they are #1-4 have <300 kids.

IN THE ENTIRE SCHOOL.

One of them has only two grades: 11-12th.

One of them has like 132 kids.

Of course if your school has 132 kids it’s going to be amazing.

TJ 1300+ kids. It’s not even comparable.

You’re like looking at a preschool enrollment vs a high school enrollment. Some of them don’t even have sat scores.

It’s so obvious the us news did this for the clicks.

[Anonymous]

Yawn........

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It doesn't matter when the rankings were made. People have already said TJ's scores will go down because they are no longer selecting for students who do well on tests. A high ranking is not the goal.

However, scores might go up, since someone posted above that the scores are compared to the expectations based on the racial makeup of the school. With more blacks and Hispanics, who will presumably outperform the typical black and Hispanic student. the test rankings might go up.

Sure, let's just ignore the fact that Asian American students with stronger merit credentials were denied admission. No racial manipulation of outcomes going on here.

Do you seriously believe that the only students who were impacted by the changes in the admissions process - or frankly even most of them - were Asian?

Do you understand that a huge number of Asian students were positively impacted by the new admissions process?

Poor asians benefited the most, but the people railing against the system don't care about them

Precisely. Because, as with most "grassroots" conservative causes, this is about pretending to advocate for regular people while in reality protecting the interests of the wealthy.

https://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/Parents_Defending_Education

+1

Republicans lies and fearmongering.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This is the school profile for the #1 school. It looks like a fine school (but tiny), but I'm still trying to figure out how it's better than TJ. Just demonstrates how silly this whole "ranking" thing is, whether for high schools or colleges.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1R7dsz9xRU_K_p0ZAROCdoD_a4nebMFQo/view

What a joke these rankings are! US News is seriously in need of shutting down with their bogus rankings.

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Anonymous wrote:It doesn't matter when the rankings were made. People have already said TJ's scores will go down because they are no longer selecting for students who do well on tests. A high ranking is not the goal.

However, scores might go up, since someone posted above that the scores are compared to the expectations based on the racial makeup of the school. With more blacks and Hispanics, who will presumably outperform the typical black and Hispanic student. the test rankings might go up.

But a high ranking is the goal. To the parents.
The fact that their child's education is excellent, that US News rankings don't really matter and that the article says there's little difference between 5th and 1st doesn't matter.
The rankings matter so the parents can feel superior.

And this is why TJ is such a healthier place now - they've begun replacing the parents. The kids selected by the old process have never been the problem.

How's TJ healthier now? Why suppressing the parents (the tax payers) is a good thing?

The focus is moving away from prestige and individualism and in the direction of a complete education that prepares students to collaborate with a 21st century population.

So, implementing discrimination and parent suppression would achieve that. Wow

Improving access to all groups achieves that. Why do you think that your community has some sort of immutable right to every space at TJ? Is it because you falsely believe that only Asian parents care about education?

There remain over 15 times as many Asian students as Black students at TJ. Is that somehow not enough for you?

Where does that "only Asian" thing come from?
I believe in meritocracy, Color-blind for everything.
In contrast, you only want free handouts. No sweat, many gains.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It doesn't matter when the rankings were made. People have already said TJ's scores will go down because they are no longer selecting for students who do well on tests. A high ranking is not the goal.

However, scores might go up, since someone posted above that the scores are compared to the expectations based on the racial makeup of the school. With more blacks and Hispanics, who will presumably outperform the typical black and Hispanic student. the test rankings might go up.

But a high ranking is the goal. To the parents.
The fact that their child's education is excellent, that US News rankings don't really matter and that the article says there's little difference between 5th and 1st doesn't matter.
The rankings matter so the parents can feel superior.

And this is why TJ is such a healthier place now - they've begun replacing the parents. The kids selected by the old process have never been the problem.

How's TJ healthier now? Why suppressing the parents (the tax payers) is a good thing?

The focus is moving away from prestige and individualism and in the direction of a complete education that prepares students to collaborate with a 21st century population.

So, implementing discrimination and parent suppression would achieve that. Wow

Race is not considered during the admissions process.

And Asians have the highest rate and number of admissions. So...

No discrimination.

Don't lie. The main reason to keep changing the admission process is to engineer the racial demographic

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It doesn't matter when the rankings were made. People have already said TJ's scores will go down because they are no longer selecting for students who do well on tests. A high ranking is not the goal.

However, scores might go up, since someone posted above that the scores are compared to the expectations based on the racial makeup of the school. With more blacks and Hispanics, who will presumably outperform the typical black and Hispanic student. the test rankings might go up.

Sure, let's just ignore the fact that Asian American students with stronger merit credentials were denied admission. No racial manipulation of outcomes going on here.

Citation needed, aside from the fact that for 35 years it has ALWAYS been the case that some kids with stronger objective credentials were not selected ("denied admission" suggests that they had some sort of birthright to it, which is incredibly presumptive) in favor of other students.

Unless you believe that the old admissions process 1) was designed to relentlessly identify the students with the strongest objective credentials; and 2) was perfect in identifying those students - neither of which is true.

Out of the total 2548 applicants for 2027 class, 1068 asian americans vs. 154 black americans vs. 191 hispanic americans were denied admission. And, the process was race blind?

At TJ in the early years we had to read "How to Lie with Statistics" and I can see this statistic is meaningless.... Nice try...hope you're not putting the court cases together...well actually I do.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The minority group, which significantly contributed to the school's excellence for decades, saw its number strength unjustly diminished by a lottery-based admission process devoid of merit. Is it any surprise that this school's trajectory appears to be following a path of de-excellence?

+1

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Omg.

Everyone is freaking out about this but the schools they are #1-4 have <300 kids.

IN THE ENTIRE SCHOOL.

One of them has only two grades: 11-12th.

One of them has like 132 kids.

Of course if your school has 132 kids it’s going to be amazing.

TJ 1300+ kids. It’s not even comparable.

You’re like looking at a preschool enrollment vs a high school enrollment. Some of them don’t even have sat scores.

It’s so obvious the us news did this for the clicks.

Yeah, Princeton (#1) has 5300 undergrads and JMU (#151) has 20000 undergrads.
They are not comparable. No way Princeton is better than JMU

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Omg.

Everyone is freaking out about this but the schools they are #1-4 have <300 kids.

IN THE ENTIRE SCHOOL.

One of them has only two grades: 11-12th.

One of them has like 132 kids.

Of course if your school has 132 kids it’s going to be amazing.

TJ 1300+ kids. It’s not even comparable.

You’re like looking at a preschool enrollment vs a high school enrollment. Some of them don’t even have sat scores.

It’s so obvious the us news did this for the clicks.

"Everyone" is 1 or 2 people. I can't believe more than that are so stupid in the same incoherent way.

BTW, TJ has 1900 kids.