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I feel like for the most part, kids are kind and don't want anyone to feel left out or ashamed of who they are. That being said, I do not think that vast majority of girls are comfortable with a biological male seeing them change and vice versa. Same goes for sports. Let's not put the specific needs of a very small percentage of people over the vast majority of girls.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I feel like for the most part, kids are kind and don't want anyone to feel left out or ashamed of who they are. That being said, I do not think that vast majority of girls are comfortable with a biological male seeing them change and vice versa. Same goes for sports. Let's not put the specific needs of a very small percentage of people over the vast majority of girls.

The proposed changes to Title IX prohibit placing trans athletes separately. They require that trans athletes use their gendered locker rooms.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I feel like for the most part, kids are kind and don't want anyone to feel left out or ashamed of who they are. That being said, I do not think that vast majority of girls are comfortable with a biological male seeing them change and vice versa. Same goes for sports. Let's not put the specific needs of a very small percentage of people over the vast majority of girls.

+ a million

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Anonymous wrote:How about instead of the Civil Rights parallel, which I agree is a stretch, we think about how horrified people were about gay people being in locker rooms with heterosexuals or having to room together on school trips or being in the military at all. Those things have all been completely fine and were blown out of proportion when first being discussed. I think trans people in locker rooms that are opposite to their bio gender will be the same in a matter of time. No one will think anything of it. By and large our kids already don’t think anything of it. It’s the parents who operate in worst case scenarios that haven’t even happened.

I don't think that girls should ever be subjected to being immodest in front of boys. It is not acceptable to expect that from them. Not everyone has the same beliefs and morals and we should have mutual respect for one another's beliefs and find a compromise that is respectful to all. Perhaps have a few private changing rooms for those that have the gender incompatibility.

+1 the idea that girls should have to get used to changing with boys in their locker rooms or they will be labeled a bigot is sickening.

+100

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:How about instead of the Civil Rights parallel, which I agree is a stretch, we think about how horrified people were about gay people being in locker rooms with heterosexuals or having to room together on school trips or being in the military at all. Those things have all been completely fine and were blown out of proportion when first being discussed. I think trans people in locker rooms that are opposite to their bio gender will be the same in a matter of time. No one will think anything of it. By and large our kids already don’t think anything of it. It’s the parents who operate in worst case scenarios that haven’t even happened.

I don't think that girls should ever be subjected to being immodest in front of boys. It is not acceptable to expect that from them. Not everyone has the same beliefs and morals and we should have mutual respect for one another's beliefs and find a compromise that is respectful to all. Perhaps have a few private changing rooms for those that have the gender incompatibility.

+1 the idea that girls should have to get used to changing with boys in their locker rooms or they will be labeled a bigot is sickening.

+100

So now for all this policy wrangling. How many biological males were in girl changing rooms in FCPS?
Changing in locker rooms at all is relatively rare.
My kid in FCPS HS has never even changed for PE anywhere. They just go out in their regular clothes. Kids who do change often do it in the bathroom. I'm pretty sure no biological males are changing openly in the girls' locker room before or after this policy.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:How about instead of the Civil Rights parallel, which I agree is a stretch, we think about how horrified people were about gay people being in locker rooms with heterosexuals or having to room together on school trips or being in the military at all. Those things have all been completely fine and were blown out of proportion when first being discussed. I think trans people in locker rooms that are opposite to their bio gender will be the same in a matter of time. No one will think anything of it. By and large our kids already don’t think anything of it. It’s the parents who operate in worst case scenarios that haven’t even happened.

I don't think that girls should ever be subjected to being immodest in front of boys. It is not acceptable to expect that from them. Not everyone has the same beliefs and morals and we should have mutual respect for one another's beliefs and find a compromise that is respectful to all. Perhaps have a few private changing rooms for those that have the gender incompatibility.

+1 the idea that girls should have to get used to changing with boys in their locker rooms or they will be labeled a bigot is sickening.

+100

So now for all this policy wrangling. How many biological males were in girl changing rooms in FCPS?
Changing in locker rooms at all is relatively rare.
My kid in FCPS HS has never even changed for PE anywhere. They just go out in their regular clothes. Kids who do change often do it in the bathroom. I'm pretty sure no biological males are changing openly in the girls' locker room before or after this policy.

In the thread about MS PE, students at some middle schools change into uniforms and some don't. At our middle school, they do. So your experience, where your kids never changed clothes, is that this issue wouldn't ever come up. But what about other experiences? Those girls just need to get used to it?

Really?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:How about instead of the Civil Rights parallel, which I agree is a stretch, we think about how horrified people were about gay people being in locker rooms with heterosexuals or having to room together on school trips or being in the military at all. Those things have all been completely fine and were blown out of proportion when first being discussed. I think trans people in locker rooms that are opposite to their bio gender will be the same in a matter of time. No one will think anything of it. By and large our kids already don’t think anything of it. It’s the parents who operate in worst case scenarios that haven’t even happened.

I don't think that girls should ever be subjected to being immodest in front of boys. It is not acceptable to expect that from them. Not everyone has the same beliefs and morals and we should have mutual respect for one another's beliefs and find a compromise that is respectful to all. Perhaps have a few private changing rooms for those that have the gender incompatibility.

+1 the idea that girls should have to get used to changing with boys in their locker rooms or they will be labeled a bigot is sickening.

+100

So now for all this policy wrangling. How many biological males were in girl changing rooms in FCPS?
Changing in locker rooms at all is relatively rare.
My kid in FCPS HS has never even changed for PE anywhere. They just go out in their regular clothes. Kids who do change often do it in the bathroom. I'm pretty sure no biological males are changing openly in the girls' locker room before or after this policy.

In the thread about MS PE, students at some middle schools change into uniforms and some don't. At our middle school, they do. So your experience, where your kids never changed clothes, is that this issue wouldn't ever come up. But what about other experiences? Those girls just need to get used to it?

Really?

So has it ever come up? That's the question. Has any child in FCPS been required to change in front of another child of someone of a different biological gender?
Or all you all up in arms about hypotheticals?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How about instead of the Civil Rights parallel, which I agree is a stretch, we think about how horrified people were about gay people being in locker rooms with heterosexuals or having to room together on school trips or being in the military at all. Those things have all been completely fine and were blown out of proportion when first being discussed. I think trans people in locker rooms that are opposite to their bio gender will be the same in a matter of time. No one will think anything of it. By and large our kids already don’t think anything of it. It’s the parents who operate in worst case scenarios that haven’t even happened.

I don't think that girls should ever be subjected to being immodest in front of boys. It is not acceptable to expect that from them. Not everyone has the same beliefs and morals and we should have mutual respect for one another's beliefs and find a compromise that is respectful to all. Perhaps have a few private changing rooms for those that have the gender incompatibility.

+1 the idea that girls should have to get used to changing with boys in their locker rooms or they will be labeled a bigot is sickening.

+100

So now for all this policy wrangling. How many biological males were in girl changing rooms in FCPS?
Changing in locker rooms at all is relatively rare.
My kid in FCPS HS has never even changed for PE anywhere. They just go out in their regular clothes. Kids who do change often do it in the bathroom. I'm pretty sure no biological males are changing openly in the girls' locker room before or after this policy.

In the thread about MS PE, students at some middle schools change into uniforms and some don't. At our middle school, they do. So your experience, where your kids never changed clothes, is that this issue wouldn't ever come up. But what about other experiences? Those girls just need to get used to it?

Really?

So has it ever come up? That's the question. Has any child in FCPS been required to change in front of another child of someone of a different biological gender?
Or all you all up in arms about hypotheticals?

Currently, FCPS "Ensures students can use the locker room or restroom that aligns with their gender identity and forbids forcing them to use only a private area, single-occupancy accommodation, or other single-use facility."

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How about instead of the Civil Rights parallel, which I agree is a stretch, we think about how horrified people were about gay people being in locker rooms with heterosexuals or having to room together on school trips or being in the military at all. Those things have all been completely fine and were blown out of proportion when first being discussed. I think trans people in locker rooms that are opposite to their bio gender will be the same in a matter of time. No one will think anything of it. By and large our kids already don’t think anything of it. It’s the parents who operate in worst case scenarios that haven’t even happened.

I don't think that girls should ever be subjected to being immodest in front of boys. It is not acceptable to expect that from them. Not everyone has the same beliefs and morals and we should have mutual respect for one another's beliefs and find a compromise that is respectful to all. Perhaps have a few private changing rooms for those that have the gender incompatibility.

+1 the idea that girls should have to get used to changing with boys in their locker rooms or they will be labeled a bigot is sickening.

+100

So now for all this policy wrangling. How many biological males were in girl changing rooms in FCPS?
Changing in locker rooms at all is relatively rare.
My kid in FCPS HS has never even changed for PE anywhere. They just go out in their regular clothes. Kids who do change often do it in the bathroom. I'm pretty sure no biological males are changing openly in the girls' locker room before or after this policy.

In the thread about MS PE, students at some middle schools change into uniforms and some don't. At our middle school, they do. So your experience, where your kids never changed clothes, is that this issue wouldn't ever come up. But what about other experiences? Those girls just need to get used to it?

Really?

So has it ever come up? That's the question. Has any child in FCPS been required to change in front of another child of someone of a different biological gender?
Or all you all up in arms about hypotheticals?

Currently, FCPS "Ensures students can use the locker room or restroom that aligns with their gender identity and forbids forcing them to use only a private area, single-occupancy accommodation, or other single-use facility."

I don't know about FCPS. It has definitely come up in other schools. Look what happened in LCPS with that boy in a skirt in the girls bathroom.

[Anonymous]

Do you know trans girls? Cause I do and she would be much more out of place in the boy’s locker room (bio boy). I mean, she’s still in ES but none of her friends even know she’s biologically male.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Do you know trans girls? Cause I do and she would be much more out of place in the boy’s locker room (bio boy). I mean, she’s still in ES but none of her friends even know she’s biologically male.

Is that transgender girl taking puberty blocker? If no, you know what physical and mental changes teenagers will go through? If yes, you know what impact it will have to a growing child's physical and mental health.
Will that transgender girl go through surgery to remove some healthy body parts? If yes, maybe you can forward a message to that kid: document all medical records and communication well. That kid may need to use those documents in the future.


https://nypost.com/2023/06/20/kids-shouldnt-undergo-irreversible-gender-transition-surgeries/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vC536vJdIcM

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Do you know trans girls? Cause I do and she would be much more out of place in the boy’s locker room (bio boy). I mean, she’s still in ES but none of her friends even know she’s biologically male.

Well, they will if she changes in front of them.

[Anonymous]

So many ignorant, bigoted responses on here. People fear what they don't know or understand. It used to be gay/lesbian. While that still exists, it's not as horrid as it used to be. Trans is the new boogey man.

Shame on you all who don't take the time to understand or show empathy. And just react with hatred, fear, and misunderstanding.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So many ignorant, bigoted responses on here. People fear what they don't know or understand. It used to be gay/lesbian. While that still exists, it's not as horrid as it used to be. Trans is the new boogey man.

Shame on you all who don't take the time to understand or show empathy. And just react with hatred, fear, and misunderstanding.

You can continue expanding your culture of constructs so that all labels are meaningless and people can create themselves any way they want. The rest of us will stick with two immutable sexes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So many ignorant, bigoted responses on here. People fear what they don't know or understand. It used to be gay/lesbian. While that still exists, it's not as horrid as it used to be. Trans is the new boogey man.

Shame on you all who don't take the time to understand or show empathy. And just react with hatred, fear, and misunderstanding.

Some people wierd. They can be wierd.

Other people desire the freedom to be elsewhere from wierd.

This is not fear, hate or misunderstanding. This is disgust. Left people confused by this.

People on rightwing have low thresthold for disgust while leftie people have very high threshold.
They do not understand one enother innate preference.

See research paper, perhaps understand?
https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/1948550611429024