MCPS Reaches Agreement with MCEA to Raise Teachers' Wages

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Anonymous wrote:A big problem is that it takes so long to make decent money in teaching (7 % of salary goes towards the pension). By that time we have lost many talented teachers. And, for hires after 2011, it takes longer to be vested in the pension and longer to earn the pension. For many, it's not worth it anymore to stick around to the end.

The union is working to increase the starting salary and work to getting teachers to make a solid income quicker. Teaching has gotten harder with all the initiatives, pointless and degrading trainings/meetings, admin, behaviors and loss of autonomy. We are losing a lot due to this. And the workload can be crushing but also inequitable - depending on position (I know this because I have had several positions in the county).

I'm curious to see how the raise effects retention. I know several friends that are taking childcare leave (out of the blue, their kids are older), some are leaving for new jobs and some are switching to teaching jobs closer to where they live (When I worked in Germantown, I had a coworker that came in from PA and another from W. VA and many were in Frederick).

It seems like there are lots of beginning teachers, and lots of end-of-career teachers, but maybe not so many mid-career teachers?

That is correct. Many are leaving now before they are vested. I am. It's not worth staying anymore. I was going to take child-care leave (my kid is a teen!) but then I won't be able to work enough because of the stipulations- so I decided to switch to part-time next year. I'm in a graduate program that will help me leave teaching with a better overall starting salary and conditions (hopefully). I think it will be bumpy in education for a few years until things get sorted. For most of the teachers I work with -what happened with COVID and the aftermath have all become too much. It's all just too much. The cracks are too big. A significant reset needs to happen for things to start to improve.

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Anonymous wrote:60k starting salary is nothing to sneeze at

Over time you still lose out because there aren't any promotions but that is a very generous starting salary.

In most industries employees get pay increases based on the subjective assessments of their supervisors, but teachers' unions don't want that.

I work in tech. I get quarterly raises that have nothing to do with "subjective assessments" or even merit. The outrage people in other industries give teachers is so pathetic.

My spouse works in tech too. There are no raises and you have to job jump for more money.

Because your spouse works in tech, their experience is the end all? You're the authority on every tech job ever? Wow! I had no idea I was in the presence of such genius! DP, but I also work in tech. My own firsthand experience is yes, we get raises throughout the year AND we also job jump. Imagine that. Someone else with a different experience than you. Hard to imagine with such a narrow world view but try.

Saying you work tech and that it is normal to get regular raises means nothing. My spouse had had multiple jobs and none gave raises like that. That's great you get that but it’s not normal.

I mean, hi. DP here in tech. Raises are absolutely the norm. Don’t know what to tell ya. You telling us your spouse doesn’t get raises means nothing too. It’s irrelevant to this thread but you might want to have a chat with them because what they are telling you isn’t true.

No they are not the norm and my spouse has had multiple jobs. In some jobs, the salary goes up and down every year due to RSU's. I know they are telling me the truth as I manage the money and do the taxes.

A simple Google search about tech job raises would do you wonders. "In 2021, the median salary for IT pros at large enterprises was $100,022, and $95,681 for those at mid-sized firms. In 2022, however, merit increases for IT pros lept to 5.61%, with the median salary for all IT professionals rising from $95,845 to $101,323. The median salary for an IT executive rose to $180,000." Followed by article after article about tech raises. But sure, you keep doing your spouses finances and using that to claim to be an expert. Sounds like your spouse might not be good at their job. Ever think of that?

The real point is, teachers' wages don't match their education. Most teachers have one or two masters and make under $100k and this is considered normal. It's an insult.

Alright, let's settle down.

To review, someone made the point that there are "no promotions" for teachers. I made the point that in other sectors where there are promotions, it's based on the subjective decision of a supervisor. It's often not totally "fair". Teachers' unions have explicitly opposed merit-based raises. Well, you can't have it both ways. You can't expect to be paid what you're worth, and also expect not to have your pay based on your performance.

We expect our step increases to match our worth. Truly not that difficult to comprehend.

But not every teacher has the same value.

I work in a "cushy office job", WFH three days a week, bathroom whenever I want, extremely flexible. Can be quite stressful, but overall I consider myself very lucky. I make $120k after 10 years. No pension so it's not quite as much more money than teachers as it might appear, but it is more (I am also being paid for more hours). But I got here by getting promoted by my boss. A coworker who started at the same time as I did in the same job never got promoted. He makes $65k.

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Anonymous wrote:60k starting salary is nothing to sneeze at

Over time you still lose out because there aren't any promotions but that is a very generous starting salary.

In most industries employees get pay increases based on the subjective assessments of their supervisors, but teachers' unions don't want that.

I work in tech. I get quarterly raises that have nothing to do with "subjective assessments" or even merit. The outrage people in other industries give teachers is so pathetic.

My spouse works in tech too. There are no raises and you have to job jump for more money.

Because your spouse works in tech, their experience is the end all? You're the authority on every tech job ever? Wow! I had no idea I was in the presence of such genius! DP, but I also work in tech. My own firsthand experience is yes, we get raises throughout the year AND we also job jump. Imagine that. Someone else with a different experience than you. Hard to imagine with such a narrow world view but try.

Saying you work tech and that it is normal to get regular raises means nothing. My spouse had had multiple jobs and none gave raises like that. That's great you get that but it’s not normal.

I mean, hi. DP here in tech. Raises are absolutely the norm. Don’t know what to tell ya. You telling us your spouse doesn’t get raises means nothing too. It’s irrelevant to this thread but you might want to have a chat with them because what they are telling you isn’t true.

No they are not the norm and my spouse has had multiple jobs. In some jobs, the salary goes up and down every year due to RSU's. I know they are telling me the truth as I manage the money and do the taxes.

A simple Google search about tech job raises would do you wonders. "In 2021, the median salary for IT pros at large enterprises was $100,022, and $95,681 for those at mid-sized firms. In 2022, however, merit increases for IT pros lept to 5.61%, with the median salary for all IT professionals rising from $95,845 to $101,323. The median salary for an IT executive rose to $180,000." Followed by article after article about tech raises. But sure, you keep doing your spouses finances and using that to claim to be an expert. Sounds like your spouse might not be good at their job. Ever think of that?

The real point is, teachers' wages don't match their education. Most teachers have one or two masters and make under $100k and this is considered normal. It's an insult.

Alright, let's settle down.

To review, someone made the point that there are "no promotions" for teachers. I made the point that in other sectors where there are promotions, it's based on the subjective decision of a supervisor. It's often not totally "fair". Teachers' unions have explicitly opposed merit-based raises. Well, you can't have it both ways. You can't expect to be paid what you're worth, and also expect not to have your pay based on your performance.

We expect our step increases to match our worth. Truly not that difficult to comprehend.

But not every teacher has the same value.

I work in a "cushy office job", WFH three days a week, bathroom whenever I want, extremely flexible. Can be quite stressful, but overall I consider myself very lucky. I make $120k after 10 years. No pension so it's not quite as much more money than teachers as it might appear, but it is more (I am also being paid for more hours). But I got here by getting promoted by my boss. A coworker who started at the same time as I did in the same job never got promoted. He makes $65k.

Yeah… hence the steps. That was a whole paragraph typed out just to tell us you didn’t read the PP’s comment. The step represents each year a teacher has been teaching… so yes… experience. Jesus

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Anonymous wrote:60k starting salary is nothing to sneeze at

Over time you still lose out because there aren't any promotions but that is a very generous starting salary.

In most industries employees get pay increases based on the subjective assessments of their supervisors, but teachers' unions don't want that.

I work in tech. I get quarterly raises that have nothing to do with "subjective assessments" or even merit. The outrage people in other industries give teachers is so pathetic.

My spouse works in tech too. There are no raises and you have to job jump for more money.

Because your spouse works in tech, their experience is the end all? You're the authority on every tech job ever? Wow! I had no idea I was in the presence of such genius! DP, but I also work in tech. My own firsthand experience is yes, we get raises throughout the year AND we also job jump. Imagine that. Someone else with a different experience than you. Hard to imagine with such a narrow world view but try.

Saying you work tech and that it is normal to get regular raises means nothing. My spouse had had multiple jobs and none gave raises like that. That's great you get that but it’s not normal.

I mean, hi. DP here in tech. Raises are absolutely the norm. Don’t know what to tell ya. You telling us your spouse doesn’t get raises means nothing too. It’s irrelevant to this thread but you might want to have a chat with them because what they are telling you isn’t true.

No they are not the norm and my spouse has had multiple jobs. In some jobs, the salary goes up and down every year due to RSU's. I know they are telling me the truth as I manage the money and do the taxes.

A simple Google search about tech job raises would do you wonders. "In 2021, the median salary for IT pros at large enterprises was $100,022, and $95,681 for those at mid-sized firms. In 2022, however, merit increases for IT pros lept to 5.61%, with the median salary for all IT professionals rising from $95,845 to $101,323. The median salary for an IT executive rose to $180,000." Followed by article after article about tech raises. But sure, you keep doing your spouses finances and using that to claim to be an expert. Sounds like your spouse might not be good at their job. Ever think of that?

The real point is, teachers' wages don't match their education. Most teachers have one or two masters and make under $100k and this is considered normal. It's an insult.

Alright, let's settle down.

To review, someone made the point that there are "no promotions" for teachers. I made the point that in other sectors where there are promotions, it's based on the subjective decision of a supervisor. It's often not totally "fair". Teachers' unions have explicitly opposed merit-based raises. Well, you can't have it both ways. You can't expect to be paid what you're worth, and also expect not to have your pay based on your performance.

We expect our step increases to match our worth. Truly not that difficult to comprehend.

But not every teacher has the same value.

I work in a "cushy office job", WFH three days a week, bathroom whenever I want, extremely flexible. Can be quite stressful, but overall I consider myself very lucky. I make $120k after 10 years. No pension so it's not quite as much more money than teachers as it might appear, but it is more (I am also being paid for more hours). But I got here by getting promoted by my boss. A coworker who started at the same time as I did in the same job never got promoted. He makes $65k.

Yeah… hence the steps. That was a whole paragraph typed out just to tell us you didn’t read the PP’s comment. The step represents each year a teacher has been teaching… so yes… experience. Jesus

Can you really not see the difference between compensating someone more purely on the basis of more years on the job, versus actual performance?

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Anonymous wrote:60k starting salary is nothing to sneeze at

Over time you still lose out because there aren't any promotions but that is a very generous starting salary.

In most industries employees get pay increases based on the subjective assessments of their supervisors, but teachers' unions don't want that.

I work in tech. I get quarterly raises that have nothing to do with "subjective assessments" or even merit. The outrage people in other industries give teachers is so pathetic.

My spouse works in tech too. There are no raises and you have to job jump for more money.

Because your spouse works in tech, their experience is the end all? You're the authority on every tech job ever? Wow! I had no idea I was in the presence of such genius! DP, but I also work in tech. My own firsthand experience is yes, we get raises throughout the year AND we also job jump. Imagine that. Someone else with a different experience than you. Hard to imagine with such a narrow world view but try.

Saying you work tech and that it is normal to get regular raises means nothing. My spouse had had multiple jobs and none gave raises like that. That's great you get that but it’s not normal.

I mean, hi. DP here in tech. Raises are absolutely the norm. Don’t know what to tell ya. You telling us your spouse doesn’t get raises means nothing too. It’s irrelevant to this thread but you might want to have a chat with them because what they are telling you isn’t true.

No they are not the norm and my spouse has had multiple jobs. In some jobs, the salary goes up and down every year due to RSU's. I know they are telling me the truth as I manage the money and do the taxes.

A simple Google search about tech job raises would do you wonders. "In 2021, the median salary for IT pros at large enterprises was $100,022, and $95,681 for those at mid-sized firms. In 2022, however, merit increases for IT pros lept to 5.61%, with the median salary for all IT professionals rising from $95,845 to $101,323. The median salary for an IT executive rose to $180,000." Followed by article after article about tech raises. But sure, you keep doing your spouses finances and using that to claim to be an expert. Sounds like your spouse might not be good at their job. Ever think of that?

The real point is, teachers' wages don't match their education. Most teachers have one or two masters and make under $100k and this is considered normal. It's an insult.

Alright, let's settle down.

To review, someone made the point that there are "no promotions" for teachers. I made the point that in other sectors where there are promotions, it's based on the subjective decision of a supervisor. It's often not totally "fair". Teachers' unions have explicitly opposed merit-based raises. Well, you can't have it both ways. You can't expect to be paid what you're worth, and also expect not to have your pay based on your performance.

We expect our step increases to match our worth. Truly not that difficult to comprehend.

But not every teacher has the same value.

I work in a "cushy office job", WFH three days a week, bathroom whenever I want, extremely flexible. Can be quite stressful, but overall I consider myself very lucky. I make $120k after 10 years. No pension so it's not quite as much more money than teachers as it might appear, but it is more (I am also being paid for more hours). But I got here by getting promoted by my boss. A coworker who started at the same time as I did in the same job never got promoted. He makes $65k.

Yeah… hence the steps. That was a whole paragraph typed out just to tell us you didn’t read the PP’s comment. The step represents each year a teacher has been teaching… so yes… experience. Jesus

Can you really not see the difference between compensating someone more purely on the basis of more years on the job, versus actual performance?

It turns out it's not so easy to figure out how to evaluate teachers based on "actual performance".

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Anonymous wrote:60k starting salary is nothing to sneeze at

Over time you still lose out because there aren't any promotions but that is a very generous starting salary.

In most industries employees get pay increases based on the subjective assessments of their supervisors, but teachers' unions don't want that.

I work in tech. I get quarterly raises that have nothing to do with "subjective assessments" or even merit. The outrage people in other industries give teachers is so pathetic.

My spouse works in tech too. There are no raises and you have to job jump for more money.

Because your spouse works in tech, their experience is the end all? You're the authority on every tech job ever? Wow! I had no idea I was in the presence of such genius! DP, but I also work in tech. My own firsthand experience is yes, we get raises throughout the year AND we also job jump. Imagine that. Someone else with a different experience than you. Hard to imagine with such a narrow world view but try.

Saying you work tech and that it is normal to get regular raises means nothing. My spouse had had multiple jobs and none gave raises like that. That's great you get that but it’s not normal.

I mean, hi. DP here in tech. Raises are absolutely the norm. Don’t know what to tell ya. You telling us your spouse doesn’t get raises means nothing too. It’s irrelevant to this thread but you might want to have a chat with them because what they are telling you isn’t true.

No they are not the norm and my spouse has had multiple jobs. In some jobs, the salary goes up and down every year due to RSU's. I know they are telling me the truth as I manage the money and do the taxes.

A simple Google search about tech job raises would do you wonders. "In 2021, the median salary for IT pros at large enterprises was $100,022, and $95,681 for those at mid-sized firms. In 2022, however, merit increases for IT pros lept to 5.61%, with the median salary for all IT professionals rising from $95,845 to $101,323. The median salary for an IT executive rose to $180,000." Followed by article after article about tech raises. But sure, you keep doing your spouses finances and using that to claim to be an expert. Sounds like your spouse might not be good at their job. Ever think of that?

The real point is, teachers' wages don't match their education. Most teachers have one or two masters and make under $100k and this is considered normal. It's an insult.

Alright, let's settle down.

To review, someone made the point that there are "no promotions" for teachers. I made the point that in other sectors where there are promotions, it's based on the subjective decision of a supervisor. It's often not totally "fair". Teachers' unions have explicitly opposed merit-based raises. Well, you can't have it both ways. You can't expect to be paid what you're worth, and also expect not to have your pay based on your performance.

We expect our step increases to match our worth. Truly not that difficult to comprehend.

But not every teacher has the same value.

I work in a "cushy office job", WFH three days a week, bathroom whenever I want, extremely flexible. Can be quite stressful, but overall I consider myself very lucky. I make $120k after 10 years. No pension so it's not quite as much more money than teachers as it might appear, but it is more (I am also being paid for more hours). But I got here by getting promoted by my boss. A coworker who started at the same time as I did in the same job never got promoted. He makes $65k.

Yeah… hence the steps. That was a whole paragraph typed out just to tell us you didn’t read the PP’s comment. The step represents each year a teacher has been teaching… so yes… experience. Jesus

Can you really not see the difference between compensating someone more purely on the basis of more years on the job, versus actual performance?

It turns out it's not so easy to figure out how to evaluate teachers based on "actual performance".

It’s really not easy to evaluate anyone on the basis of actual performance.

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Anonymous wrote:60k starting salary is nothing to sneeze at

Over time you still lose out because there aren't any promotions but that is a very generous starting salary.

In most industries employees get pay increases based on the subjective assessments of their supervisors, but teachers' unions don't want that.

I work in tech. I get quarterly raises that have nothing to do with "subjective assessments" or even merit. The outrage people in other industries give teachers is so pathetic.

My spouse works in tech too. There are no raises and you have to job jump for more money.

Because your spouse works in tech, their experience is the end all? You're the authority on every tech job ever? Wow! I had no idea I was in the presence of such genius! DP, but I also work in tech. My own firsthand experience is yes, we get raises throughout the year AND we also job jump. Imagine that. Someone else with a different experience than you. Hard to imagine with such a narrow world view but try.

Saying you work tech and that it is normal to get regular raises means nothing. My spouse had had multiple jobs and none gave raises like that. That's great you get that but it’s not normal.

I mean, hi. DP here in tech. Raises are absolutely the norm. Don’t know what to tell ya. You telling us your spouse doesn’t get raises means nothing too. It’s irrelevant to this thread but you might want to have a chat with them because what they are telling you isn’t true.

No they are not the norm and my spouse has had multiple jobs. In some jobs, the salary goes up and down every year due to RSU's. I know they are telling me the truth as I manage the money and do the taxes.

A simple Google search about tech job raises would do you wonders. "In 2021, the median salary for IT pros at large enterprises was $100,022, and $95,681 for those at mid-sized firms. In 2022, however, merit increases for IT pros lept to 5.61%, with the median salary for all IT professionals rising from $95,845 to $101,323. The median salary for an IT executive rose to $180,000." Followed by article after article about tech raises. But sure, you keep doing your spouses finances and using that to claim to be an expert. Sounds like your spouse might not be good at their job. Ever think of that?

The real point is, teachers' wages don't match their education. Most teachers have one or two masters and make under $100k and this is considered normal. It's an insult.

Alright, let's settle down.

To review, someone made the point that there are "no promotions" for teachers. I made the point that in other sectors where there are promotions, it's based on the subjective decision of a supervisor. It's often not totally "fair". Teachers' unions have explicitly opposed merit-based raises. Well, you can't have it both ways. You can't expect to be paid what you're worth, and also expect not to have your pay based on your performance.

We expect our step increases to match our worth. Truly not that difficult to comprehend.

But not every teacher has the same value.

I work in a "cushy office job", WFH three days a week, bathroom whenever I want, extremely flexible. Can be quite stressful, but overall I consider myself very lucky. I make $120k after 10 years. No pension so it's not quite as much more money than teachers as it might appear, but it is more (I am also being paid for more hours). But I got here by getting promoted by my boss. A coworker who started at the same time as I did in the same job never got promoted. He makes $65k.

Yeah… hence the steps. That was a whole paragraph typed out just to tell us you didn’t read the PP’s comment. The step represents each year a teacher has been teaching… so yes… experience. Jesus

Can you really not see the difference between compensating someone more purely on the basis of more years on the job, versus actual performance?

It turns out it's not so easy to figure out how to evaluate teachers based on "actual performance".

It’s really not easy to evaluate anyone on the basis of actual performance.

True, but there's been a lot of work and research done specifically on teacher evaluation. In addition, all the more reason not to quibble about teacher step increases for experience, vs whatever "actual performance" might be.

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Anonymous wrote:60k starting salary is nothing to sneeze at

Over time you still lose out because there aren't any promotions but that is a very generous starting salary.

In most industries employees get pay increases based on the subjective assessments of their supervisors, but teachers' unions don't want that.

I work in tech. I get quarterly raises that have nothing to do with "subjective assessments" or even merit. The outrage people in other industries give teachers is so pathetic.

My spouse works in tech too. There are no raises and you have to job jump for more money.

Because your spouse works in tech, their experience is the end all? You're the authority on every tech job ever? Wow! I had no idea I was in the presence of such genius! DP, but I also work in tech. My own firsthand experience is yes, we get raises throughout the year AND we also job jump. Imagine that. Someone else with a different experience than you. Hard to imagine with such a narrow world view but try.

Saying you work tech and that it is normal to get regular raises means nothing. My spouse had had multiple jobs and none gave raises like that. That's great you get that but it’s not normal.

I mean, hi. DP here in tech. Raises are absolutely the norm. Don’t know what to tell ya. You telling us your spouse doesn’t get raises means nothing too. It’s irrelevant to this thread but you might want to have a chat with them because what they are telling you isn’t true.

No they are not the norm and my spouse has had multiple jobs. In some jobs, the salary goes up and down every year due to RSU's. I know they are telling me the truth as I manage the money and do the taxes.

A simple Google search about tech job raises would do you wonders. "In 2021, the median salary for IT pros at large enterprises was $100,022, and $95,681 for those at mid-sized firms. In 2022, however, merit increases for IT pros lept to 5.61%, with the median salary for all IT professionals rising from $95,845 to $101,323. The median salary for an IT executive rose to $180,000." Followed by article after article about tech raises. But sure, you keep doing your spouses finances and using that to claim to be an expert. Sounds like your spouse might not be good at their job. Ever think of that?

The real point is, teachers' wages don't match their education. Most teachers have one or two masters and make under $100k and this is considered normal. It's an insult.

Alright, let's settle down.

To review, someone made the point that there are "no promotions" for teachers. I made the point that in other sectors where there are promotions, it's based on the subjective decision of a supervisor. It's often not totally "fair". Teachers' unions have explicitly opposed merit-based raises. Well, you can't have it both ways. You can't expect to be paid what you're worth, and also expect not to have your pay based on your performance.

We expect our step increases to match our worth. Truly not that difficult to comprehend.

But not every teacher has the same value.

I work in a "cushy office job", WFH three days a week, bathroom whenever I want, extremely flexible. Can be quite stressful, but overall I consider myself very lucky. I make $120k after 10 years. No pension so it's not quite as much more money than teachers as it might appear, but it is more (I am also being paid for more hours). But I got here by getting promoted by my boss. A coworker who started at the same time as I did in the same job never got promoted. He makes $65k.

Yeah… hence the steps. That was a whole paragraph typed out just to tell us you didn’t read the PP’s comment. The step represents each year a teacher has been teaching… so yes… experience. Jesus

Can you really not see the difference between compensating someone more purely on the basis of more years on the job, versus actual performance?

It turns out it's not so easy to figure out how to evaluate teachers based on "actual performance".

It’s really not easy to evaluate anyone on the basis of actual performance.

+1 teachers don't want their compensation to be based on performance.

In this thread a few posters have acted like the fact that someone in a different profession makes more money than teachers is proof that teachers are underpaid. But people who make $120k for 6 months or $195k for 12 months have to be able to perform well, based on the subjective assessment of their supervisor (who promoted/hired and retained them at that level). It's not always fair but that is how you make more money than $80k after 10 years, which I agree is not enough.

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Anonymous wrote:60k starting salary is nothing to sneeze at

Over time you still lose out because there aren't any promotions but that is a very generous starting salary.

In most industries employees get pay increases based on the subjective assessments of their supervisors, but teachers' unions don't want that.

I work in tech. I get quarterly raises that have nothing to do with "subjective assessments" or even merit. The outrage people in other industries give teachers is so pathetic.

My spouse works in tech too. There are no raises and you have to job jump for more money.

Because your spouse works in tech, their experience is the end all? You're the authority on every tech job ever? Wow! I had no idea I was in the presence of such genius! DP, but I also work in tech. My own firsthand experience is yes, we get raises throughout the year AND we also job jump. Imagine that. Someone else with a different experience than you. Hard to imagine with such a narrow world view but try.

Saying you work tech and that it is normal to get regular raises means nothing. My spouse had had multiple jobs and none gave raises like that. That's great you get that but it’s not normal.

I mean, hi. DP here in tech. Raises are absolutely the norm. Don’t know what to tell ya. You telling us your spouse doesn’t get raises means nothing too. It’s irrelevant to this thread but you might want to have a chat with them because what they are telling you isn’t true.

No they are not the norm and my spouse has had multiple jobs. In some jobs, the salary goes up and down every year due to RSU's. I know they are telling me the truth as I manage the money and do the taxes.

A simple Google search about tech job raises would do you wonders. "In 2021, the median salary for IT pros at large enterprises was $100,022, and $95,681 for those at mid-sized firms. In 2022, however, merit increases for IT pros lept to 5.61%, with the median salary for all IT professionals rising from $95,845 to $101,323. The median salary for an IT executive rose to $180,000." Followed by article after article about tech raises. But sure, you keep doing your spouses finances and using that to claim to be an expert. Sounds like your spouse might not be good at their job. Ever think of that?

The real point is, teachers' wages don't match their education. Most teachers have one or two masters and make under $100k and this is considered normal. It's an insult.

Alright, let's settle down.

To review, someone made the point that there are "no promotions" for teachers. I made the point that in other sectors where there are promotions, it's based on the subjective decision of a supervisor. It's often not totally "fair". Teachers' unions have explicitly opposed merit-based raises. Well, you can't have it both ways. You can't expect to be paid what you're worth, and also expect not to have your pay based on your performance.

We expect our step increases to match our worth. Truly not that difficult to comprehend.

But not every teacher has the same value.

I work in a "cushy office job", WFH three days a week, bathroom whenever I want, extremely flexible. Can be quite stressful, but overall I consider myself very lucky. I make $120k after 10 years. No pension so it's not quite as much more money than teachers as it might appear, but it is more (I am also being paid for more hours). But I got here by getting promoted by my boss. A coworker who started at the same time as I did in the same job never got promoted. He makes $65k.

Yeah… hence the steps. That was a whole paragraph typed out just to tell us you didn’t read the PP’s comment. The step represents each year a teacher has been teaching… so yes… experience. Jesus

Can you really not see the difference between compensating someone more purely on the basis of more years on the job, versus actual performance?

It turns out it's not so easy to figure out how to evaluate teachers based on "actual performance".

It’s really not easy to evaluate anyone on the basis of actual performance.

+1 teachers don't want their compensation to be based on performance.

In this thread a few posters have acted like the fact that someone in a different profession makes more money than teachers is proof that teachers are underpaid. But people who make $120k for 6 months or $195k for 12 months have to be able to perform well, based on the subjective assessment of their supervisor (who promoted/hired and retained them at that level). It's not always fair but that is how you make more money than $80k after 10 years, which I agree is not enough.

What does "performance" mean, when you're a teacher, and how does the supervisor evaluate it?

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Anonymous wrote:60k starting salary is nothing to sneeze at

Over time you still lose out because there aren't any promotions but that is a very generous starting salary.

In most industries employees get pay increases based on the subjective assessments of their supervisors, but teachers' unions don't want that.

I work in tech. I get quarterly raises that have nothing to do with "subjective assessments" or even merit. The outrage people in other industries give teachers is so pathetic.

My spouse works in tech too. There are no raises and you have to job jump for more money.

Because your spouse works in tech, their experience is the end all? You're the authority on every tech job ever? Wow! I had no idea I was in the presence of such genius! DP, but I also work in tech. My own firsthand experience is yes, we get raises throughout the year AND we also job jump. Imagine that. Someone else with a different experience than you. Hard to imagine with such a narrow world view but try.

Saying you work tech and that it is normal to get regular raises means nothing. My spouse had had multiple jobs and none gave raises like that. That's great you get that but it’s not normal.

I mean, hi. DP here in tech. Raises are absolutely the norm. Don’t know what to tell ya. You telling us your spouse doesn’t get raises means nothing too. It’s irrelevant to this thread but you might want to have a chat with them because what they are telling you isn’t true.

No they are not the norm and my spouse has had multiple jobs. In some jobs, the salary goes up and down every year due to RSU's. I know they are telling me the truth as I manage the money and do the taxes.

A simple Google search about tech job raises would do you wonders. "In 2021, the median salary for IT pros at large enterprises was $100,022, and $95,681 for those at mid-sized firms. In 2022, however, merit increases for IT pros lept to 5.61%, with the median salary for all IT professionals rising from $95,845 to $101,323. The median salary for an IT executive rose to $180,000." Followed by article after article about tech raises. But sure, you keep doing your spouses finances and using that to claim to be an expert. Sounds like your spouse might not be good at their job. Ever think of that?

The real point is, teachers' wages don't match their education. Most teachers have one or two masters and make under $100k and this is considered normal. It's an insult.

Alright, let's settle down.

To review, someone made the point that there are "no promotions" for teachers. I made the point that in other sectors where there are promotions, it's based on the subjective decision of a supervisor. It's often not totally "fair". Teachers' unions have explicitly opposed merit-based raises. Well, you can't have it both ways. You can't expect to be paid what you're worth, and also expect not to have your pay based on your performance.

We expect our step increases to match our worth. Truly not that difficult to comprehend.

But not every teacher has the same value.

I work in a "cushy office job", WFH three days a week, bathroom whenever I want, extremely flexible. Can be quite stressful, but overall I consider myself very lucky. I make $120k after 10 years. No pension so it's not quite as much more money than teachers as it might appear, but it is more (I am also being paid for more hours). But I got here by getting promoted by my boss. A coworker who started at the same time as I did in the same job never got promoted. He makes $65k.

Yeah… hence the steps. That was a whole paragraph typed out just to tell us you didn’t read the PP’s comment. The step represents each year a teacher has been teaching… so yes… experience. Jesus

Can you really not see the difference between compensating someone more purely on the basis of more years on the job, versus actual performance?

It turns out it's not so easy to figure out how to evaluate teachers based on "actual performance".

It’s really not easy to evaluate anyone on the basis of actual performance.

+1 teachers don't want their compensation to be based on performance.

In this thread a few posters have acted like the fact that someone in a different profession makes more money than teachers is proof that teachers are underpaid. But people who make $120k for 6 months or $195k for 12 months have to be able to perform well, based on the subjective assessment of their supervisor (who promoted/hired and retained them at that level). It's not always fair but that is how you make more money than $80k after 10 years, which I agree is not enough.

What does "performance" mean, when you're a teacher, and how does the supervisor evaluate it?

Parent survey, student survey, have you taken in any additional task like mentoring a new teacher or training student teachers, are your students performing well on district and external testing, if those that are not do you have documented interventions plans, does AP and team lead feel you contribute positively to the team, are you trusted, have you presented data and new ideas, etc etc. Same as any other profession.

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Anonymous wrote:60k starting salary is nothing to sneeze at

Over time you still lose out because there aren't any promotions but that is a very generous starting salary.

In most industries employees get pay increases based on the subjective assessments of their supervisors, but teachers' unions don't want that.

I work in tech. I get quarterly raises that have nothing to do with "subjective assessments" or even merit. The outrage people in other industries give teachers is so pathetic.

My spouse works in tech too. There are no raises and you have to job jump for more money.

Because your spouse works in tech, their experience is the end all? You're the authority on every tech job ever? Wow! I had no idea I was in the presence of such genius! DP, but I also work in tech. My own firsthand experience is yes, we get raises throughout the year AND we also job jump. Imagine that. Someone else with a different experience than you. Hard to imagine with such a narrow world view but try.

Saying you work tech and that it is normal to get regular raises means nothing. My spouse had had multiple jobs and none gave raises like that. That's great you get that but it’s not normal.

I mean, hi. DP here in tech. Raises are absolutely the norm. Don’t know what to tell ya. You telling us your spouse doesn’t get raises means nothing too. It’s irrelevant to this thread but you might want to have a chat with them because what they are telling you isn’t true.

No they are not the norm and my spouse has had multiple jobs. In some jobs, the salary goes up and down every year due to RSU's. I know they are telling me the truth as I manage the money and do the taxes.

A simple Google search about tech job raises would do you wonders. "In 2021, the median salary for IT pros at large enterprises was $100,022, and $95,681 for those at mid-sized firms. In 2022, however, merit increases for IT pros lept to 5.61%, with the median salary for all IT professionals rising from $95,845 to $101,323. The median salary for an IT executive rose to $180,000." Followed by article after article about tech raises. But sure, you keep doing your spouses finances and using that to claim to be an expert. Sounds like your spouse might not be good at their job. Ever think of that?

The real point is, teachers' wages don't match their education. Most teachers have one or two masters and make under $100k and this is considered normal. It's an insult.

Alright, let's settle down.

To review, someone made the point that there are "no promotions" for teachers. I made the point that in other sectors where there are promotions, it's based on the subjective decision of a supervisor. It's often not totally "fair". Teachers' unions have explicitly opposed merit-based raises. Well, you can't have it both ways. You can't expect to be paid what you're worth, and also expect not to have your pay based on your performance.

We expect our step increases to match our worth. Truly not that difficult to comprehend.

But not every teacher has the same value.

I work in a "cushy office job", WFH three days a week, bathroom whenever I want, extremely flexible. Can be quite stressful, but overall I consider myself very lucky. I make $120k after 10 years. No pension so it's not quite as much more money than teachers as it might appear, but it is more (I am also being paid for more hours). But I got here by getting promoted by my boss. A coworker who started at the same time as I did in the same job never got promoted. He makes $65k.

Yeah… hence the steps. That was a whole paragraph typed out just to tell us you didn’t read the PP’s comment. The step represents each year a teacher has been teaching… so yes… experience. Jesus

Can you really not see the difference between compensating someone more purely on the basis of more years on the job, versus actual performance?

It turns out it's not so easy to figure out how to evaluate teachers based on "actual performance".

It’s really not easy to evaluate anyone on the basis of actual performance.

+1 teachers don't want their compensation to be based on performance.

In this thread a few posters have acted like the fact that someone in a different profession makes more money than teachers is proof that teachers are underpaid. But people who make $120k for 6 months or $195k for 12 months have to be able to perform well, based on the subjective assessment of their supervisor (who promoted/hired and retained them at that level). It's not always fair but that is how you make more money than $80k after 10 years, which I agree is not enough.

What does "performance" mean, when you're a teacher, and how does the supervisor evaluate it?

What does "performance" mean in any profession? It's how well your boss thinks you are performing your job.

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Anonymous wrote:60k starting salary is nothing to sneeze at

Over time you still lose out because there aren't any promotions but that is a very generous starting salary.

In most industries employees get pay increases based on the subjective assessments of their supervisors, but teachers' unions don't want that.

I work in tech. I get quarterly raises that have nothing to do with "subjective assessments" or even merit. The outrage people in other industries give teachers is so pathetic.

My spouse works in tech too. There are no raises and you have to job jump for more money.

Because your spouse works in tech, their experience is the end all? You're the authority on every tech job ever? Wow! I had no idea I was in the presence of such genius! DP, but I also work in tech. My own firsthand experience is yes, we get raises throughout the year AND we also job jump. Imagine that. Someone else with a different experience than you. Hard to imagine with such a narrow world view but try.

Saying you work tech and that it is normal to get regular raises means nothing. My spouse had had multiple jobs and none gave raises like that. That's great you get that but it’s not normal.

I mean, hi. DP here in tech. Raises are absolutely the norm. Don’t know what to tell ya. You telling us your spouse doesn’t get raises means nothing too. It’s irrelevant to this thread but you might want to have a chat with them because what they are telling you isn’t true.

No they are not the norm and my spouse has had multiple jobs. In some jobs, the salary goes up and down every year due to RSU's. I know they are telling me the truth as I manage the money and do the taxes.

A simple Google search about tech job raises would do you wonders. "In 2021, the median salary for IT pros at large enterprises was $100,022, and $95,681 for those at mid-sized firms. In 2022, however, merit increases for IT pros lept to 5.61%, with the median salary for all IT professionals rising from $95,845 to $101,323. The median salary for an IT executive rose to $180,000." Followed by article after article about tech raises. But sure, you keep doing your spouses finances and using that to claim to be an expert. Sounds like your spouse might not be good at their job. Ever think of that?

The real point is, teachers' wages don't match their education. Most teachers have one or two masters and make under $100k and this is considered normal. It's an insult.

Alright, let's settle down.

To review, someone made the point that there are "no promotions" for teachers. I made the point that in other sectors where there are promotions, it's based on the subjective decision of a supervisor. It's often not totally "fair". Teachers' unions have explicitly opposed merit-based raises. Well, you can't have it both ways. You can't expect to be paid what you're worth, and also expect not to have your pay based on your performance.

We expect our step increases to match our worth. Truly not that difficult to comprehend.

But not every teacher has the same value.

I work in a "cushy office job", WFH three days a week, bathroom whenever I want, extremely flexible. Can be quite stressful, but overall I consider myself very lucky. I make $120k after 10 years. No pension so it's not quite as much more money than teachers as it might appear, but it is more (I am also being paid for more hours). But I got here by getting promoted by my boss. A coworker who started at the same time as I did in the same job never got promoted. He makes $65k.

Yeah… hence the steps. That was a whole paragraph typed out just to tell us you didn’t read the PP’s comment. The step represents each year a teacher has been teaching… so yes… experience. Jesus

Can you really not see the difference between compensating someone more purely on the basis of more years on the job, versus actual performance?

It turns out it's not so easy to figure out how to evaluate teachers based on "actual performance".

It’s really not easy to evaluate anyone on the basis of actual performance.

+1 teachers don't want their compensation to be based on performance.

In this thread a few posters have acted like the fact that someone in a different profession makes more money than teachers is proof that teachers are underpaid. But people who make $120k for 6 months or $195k for 12 months have to be able to perform well, based on the subjective assessment of their supervisor (who promoted/hired and retained them at that level). It's not always fair but that is how you make more money than $80k after 10 years, which I agree is not enough.

What does "performance" mean, when you're a teacher, and how does the supervisor evaluate it?

What does performance mean in any field? Half the time it comes down to if the boss likes you, you show up, and you get the job done. Not all jobs have sales numbers or billable hours or some hard number.

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Anonymous wrote:60k starting salary is nothing to sneeze at

Over time you still lose out because there aren't any promotions but that is a very generous starting salary.

In most industries employees get pay increases based on the subjective assessments of their supervisors, but teachers' unions don't want that.

I work in tech. I get quarterly raises that have nothing to do with "subjective assessments" or even merit. The outrage people in other industries give teachers is so pathetic.

My spouse works in tech too. There are no raises and you have to job jump for more money.

Because your spouse works in tech, their experience is the end all? You're the authority on every tech job ever? Wow! I had no idea I was in the presence of such genius! DP, but I also work in tech. My own firsthand experience is yes, we get raises throughout the year AND we also job jump. Imagine that. Someone else with a different experience than you. Hard to imagine with such a narrow world view but try.

Saying you work tech and that it is normal to get regular raises means nothing. My spouse had had multiple jobs and none gave raises like that. That's great you get that but it’s not normal.

I mean, hi. DP here in tech. Raises are absolutely the norm. Don’t know what to tell ya. You telling us your spouse doesn’t get raises means nothing too. It’s irrelevant to this thread but you might want to have a chat with them because what they are telling you isn’t true.

No they are not the norm and my spouse has had multiple jobs. In some jobs, the salary goes up and down every year due to RSU's. I know they are telling me the truth as I manage the money and do the taxes.

A simple Google search about tech job raises would do you wonders. "In 2021, the median salary for IT pros at large enterprises was $100,022, and $95,681 for those at mid-sized firms. In 2022, however, merit increases for IT pros lept to 5.61%, with the median salary for all IT professionals rising from $95,845 to $101,323. The median salary for an IT executive rose to $180,000." Followed by article after article about tech raises. But sure, you keep doing your spouses finances and using that to claim to be an expert. Sounds like your spouse might not be good at their job. Ever think of that?

The real point is, teachers' wages don't match their education. Most teachers have one or two masters and make under $100k and this is considered normal. It's an insult.

Alright, let's settle down.

To review, someone made the point that there are "no promotions" for teachers. I made the point that in other sectors where there are promotions, it's based on the subjective decision of a supervisor. It's often not totally "fair". Teachers' unions have explicitly opposed merit-based raises. Well, you can't have it both ways. You can't expect to be paid what you're worth, and also expect not to have your pay based on your performance.

We expect our step increases to match our worth. Truly not that difficult to comprehend.

But not every teacher has the same value.

I work in a "cushy office job", WFH three days a week, bathroom whenever I want, extremely flexible. Can be quite stressful, but overall I consider myself very lucky. I make $120k after 10 years. No pension so it's not quite as much more money than teachers as it might appear, but it is more (I am also being paid for more hours). But I got here by getting promoted by my boss. A coworker who started at the same time as I did in the same job never got promoted. He makes $65k.

Yeah… hence the steps. That was a whole paragraph typed out just to tell us you didn’t read the PP’s comment. The step represents each year a teacher has been teaching… so yes… experience. Jesus

Can you really not see the difference between compensating someone more purely on the basis of more years on the job, versus actual performance?

It turns out it's not so easy to figure out how to evaluate teachers based on "actual performance".

It’s really not easy to evaluate anyone on the basis of actual performance.

+1 teachers don't want their compensation to be based on performance.

In this thread a few posters have acted like the fact that someone in a different profession makes more money than teachers is proof that teachers are underpaid. But people who make $120k for 6 months or $195k for 12 months have to be able to perform well, based on the subjective assessment of their supervisor (who promoted/hired and retained them at that level). It's not always fair but that is how you make more money than $80k after 10 years, which I agree is not enough.

What does "performance" mean, when you're a teacher, and how does the supervisor evaluate it?

Parent survey, student survey, have you taken in any additional task like mentoring a new teacher or training student teachers, are your students performing well on district and external testing, if those that are not do you have documented interventions plans, does AP and team lead feel you contribute positively to the team, are you trusted, have you presented data and new ideas, etc etc. Same as any other profession.

School systems would just use all this against teachers to avoid giving raises. The teacher with all the nice high achieving kids would be guaranteed to have an easier time getting good feedback. A teacher in a rougher school could have one class decide to drive the teacher out of teaching. The STEP system is the only fair way to encourage teachers to stay longer with more skills.

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Anonymous wrote:60k starting salary is nothing to sneeze at

Over time you still lose out because there aren't any promotions but that is a very generous starting salary.

In most industries employees get pay increases based on the subjective assessments of their supervisors, but teachers' unions don't want that.

I work in tech. I get quarterly raises that have nothing to do with "subjective assessments" or even merit. The outrage people in other industries give teachers is so pathetic.

My spouse works in tech too. There are no raises and you have to job jump for more money.

Because your spouse works in tech, their experience is the end all? You're the authority on every tech job ever? Wow! I had no idea I was in the presence of such genius! DP, but I also work in tech. My own firsthand experience is yes, we get raises throughout the year AND we also job jump. Imagine that. Someone else with a different experience than you. Hard to imagine with such a narrow world view but try.

Saying you work tech and that it is normal to get regular raises means nothing. My spouse had had multiple jobs and none gave raises like that. That's great you get that but it’s not normal.

I mean, hi. DP here in tech. Raises are absolutely the norm. Don’t know what to tell ya. You telling us your spouse doesn’t get raises means nothing too. It’s irrelevant to this thread but you might want to have a chat with them because what they are telling you isn’t true.

No they are not the norm and my spouse has had multiple jobs. In some jobs, the salary goes up and down every year due to RSU's. I know they are telling me the truth as I manage the money and do the taxes.

A simple Google search about tech job raises would do you wonders. "In 2021, the median salary for IT pros at large enterprises was $100,022, and $95,681 for those at mid-sized firms. In 2022, however, merit increases for IT pros lept to 5.61%, with the median salary for all IT professionals rising from $95,845 to $101,323. The median salary for an IT executive rose to $180,000." Followed by article after article about tech raises. But sure, you keep doing your spouses finances and using that to claim to be an expert. Sounds like your spouse might not be good at their job. Ever think of that?

The real point is, teachers' wages don't match their education. Most teachers have one or two masters and make under $100k and this is considered normal. It's an insult.

Alright, let's settle down.

To review, someone made the point that there are "no promotions" for teachers. I made the point that in other sectors where there are promotions, it's based on the subjective decision of a supervisor. It's often not totally "fair". Teachers' unions have explicitly opposed merit-based raises. Well, you can't have it both ways. You can't expect to be paid what you're worth, and also expect not to have your pay based on your performance.

We expect our step increases to match our worth. Truly not that difficult to comprehend.

But not every teacher has the same value.

I work in a "cushy office job", WFH three days a week, bathroom whenever I want, extremely flexible. Can be quite stressful, but overall I consider myself very lucky. I make $120k after 10 years. No pension so it's not quite as much more money than teachers as it might appear, but it is more (I am also being paid for more hours). But I got here by getting promoted by my boss. A coworker who started at the same time as I did in the same job never got promoted. He makes $65k.

Yeah… hence the steps. That was a whole paragraph typed out just to tell us you didn’t read the PP’s comment. The step represents each year a teacher has been teaching… so yes… experience. Jesus

Can you really not see the difference between compensating someone more purely on the basis of more years on the job, versus actual performance?

It turns out it's not so easy to figure out how to evaluate teachers based on "actual performance".

It’s really not easy to evaluate anyone on the basis of actual performance.

+1 teachers don't want their compensation to be based on performance.

In this thread a few posters have acted like the fact that someone in a different profession makes more money than teachers is proof that teachers are underpaid. But people who make $120k for 6 months or $195k for 12 months have to be able to perform well, based on the subjective assessment of their supervisor (who promoted/hired and retained them at that level). It's not always fair but that is how you make more money than $80k after 10 years, which I agree is not enough.

What does "performance" mean, when you're a teacher, and how does the supervisor evaluate it?

Parent survey, student survey, have you taken in any additional task like mentoring a new teacher or training student teachers, are your students performing well on district and external testing, if those that are not do you have documented interventions plans, does AP and team lead feel you contribute positively to the team, are you trusted, have you presented data and new ideas, etc etc. Same as any other profession.

Nobody would teach at high FARMs schools again.

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I left my alternative school and went gen-Ed at a better school when the state of Maryland planned to tie teacher evaluations to student performance.