MCPS Reaches Agreement with MCEA to Raise Teachers' Wages

[Anonymous]

My kid’s HS has been missing a physics teacher all year. They cannot find anyone. The teacher shortage is real. And now with many 100% remote jobs, even less people will want to become teachers.
We are shortchanging our kids by not paying teachers more

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Anonymous wrote:My kid’s HS has been missing a physics teacher all year. They cannot find anyone. The teacher shortage is real. And now with many 100% remote jobs, even less people will want to become teachers.
We are shortchanging our kids by not paying teachers more

Yep at current pay rates + behavioral issues it’s not worth it to teach especially in hard STEM subjects. Someone who can can finish a bachelor’s degree in mathematics or physics, computer science generally has excellent, secure private sector employment prospects.

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Anonymous wrote:60k starting salary is nothing to sneeze at

Over time you still lose out because there aren't any promotions but that is a very generous starting salary.

In most industries employees get pay increases based on the subjective assessments of their supervisors, but teachers' unions don't want that.

I work in tech. I get quarterly raises that have nothing to do with "subjective assessments" or even merit. The outrage people in other industries give teachers is so pathetic.

My spouse works in tech too. There are no raises and you have to job jump for more money.

Because your spouse works in tech, their experience is the end all? You're the authority on every tech job ever? Wow! I had no idea I was in the presence of such genius! DP, but I also work in tech. My own firsthand experience is yes, we get raises throughout the year AND we also job jump. Imagine that. Someone else with a different experience than you. Hard to imagine with such a narrow world view but try.

Saying you work tech and that it is normal to get regular raises means nothing. My spouse had had multiple jobs and none gave raises like that. That's great you get that but it’s not normal.

I mean, hi. DP here in tech. Raises are absolutely the norm. Don’t know what to tell ya. You telling us your spouse doesn’t get raises means nothing too. It’s irrelevant to this thread but you might want to have a chat with them because what they are telling you isn’t true.

No they are not the norm and my spouse has had multiple jobs. In some jobs, the salary goes up and down every year due to RSU's. I know they are telling me the truth as I manage the money and do the taxes.

A simple Google search about tech job raises would do you wonders. "In 2021, the median salary for IT pros at large enterprises was $100,022, and $95,681 for those at mid-sized firms. In 2022, however, merit increases for IT pros lept to 5.61%, with the median salary for all IT professionals rising from $95,845 to $101,323. The median salary for an IT executive rose to $180,000." Followed by article after article about tech raises. But sure, you keep doing your spouses finances and using that to claim to be an expert. Sounds like your spouse might not be good at their job. Ever think of that?

The real point is, teachers' wages don't match their education. Most teachers have one or two masters and make under $100k and this is considered normal. It's an insult.

Having multiple master's degrees in basketweaving from Towson State doesn't entitle anyone to riches. Further, MCPS pay is generous especially when you consider most people in the private sector work 250+ days/year whereas teachers work 180-leave.

A lot of teachers seem to have grass is greener syndrome. They can't objectively appreciate how good they have it.

If being a teacher is so amazing, become one.

I did. I spent 10 years in the private sector, but unlike many of my peers I know how great I have it compared to the alternatives.

Sure, Jan. It's easy to pretend to be a teacher online. You know who has it good? People who work from home. That's what most teachers are leaving to do. Teachers absolutely do not "have it better." They are essentially trapped in a building all day, with zero freedoms including basic ones such as using the restroom. Give me a break.

With all due respect- I work in an office 5 days a week.

(Yes I am allowed to use the bathroom as much as I'd like, but I think that was some hyperbole on your part).

And you got to work from home for a year plus.

Certain jobs are never going to be WFH positions due to the nature of the work.

If it is a better option for you to work one of those great WFH jobs that all the teachers are leaving to do (?), it seems like you should do that.

The inability to use the bathroom when you need to is not a joke and it’s not hyperbole. Who is going to come and cover your class so that you can use the bathroom? There is no coverage and you have to get good about ignoring the need to pee or poop. Sometimes it’s a 45 minute wait and sometimes it’s a multiple hour wait depending on your schedule and how many students try to talk to you before or after class and/or if the one nearby staff restroom has a line of teachers waiting to go. It’s not a lot of time between classes and since you cannot leave during class, the staff restrooms are quite busy during passing times.

When I was pregnant with my children I had nausea and vomiting throughout the entirety of both pregnancies and I can’t tell you desperately I wished to have bathroom access whenever I needed to.

It’s not hyperbole. It’s just one of the many things that I do not miss about teaching.

What I do miss is working with students.

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Anonymous wrote:My kid’s HS has been missing a physics teacher all year. They cannot find anyone. The teacher shortage is real. And now with many 100% remote jobs, even less people will want to become teachers.
We are shortchanging our kids by not paying teachers more

It's not just the money. Why would anyone that bright/skilled work as a teacher?

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Our school has 2 teachers and 2 other professionals leaving because they want to work remotely and travel to see family as they work. They all have jobs lined up and we are saying goodbye to 4 wonderful people in June. Three of them will be making more money and one will make about the same.

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Anonymous wrote:60k starting salary is nothing to sneeze at

Over time you still lose out because there aren't any promotions but that is a very generous starting salary.

In most industries employees get pay increases based on the subjective assessments of their supervisors, but teachers' unions don't want that.

I work in tech. I get quarterly raises that have nothing to do with "subjective assessments" or even merit. The outrage people in other industries give teachers is so pathetic.

My spouse works in tech too. There are no raises and you have to job jump for more money.

Because your spouse works in tech, their experience is the end all? You're the authority on every tech job ever? Wow! I had no idea I was in the presence of such genius! DP, but I also work in tech. My own firsthand experience is yes, we get raises throughout the year AND we also job jump. Imagine that. Someone else with a different experience than you. Hard to imagine with such a narrow world view but try.

Saying you work tech and that it is normal to get regular raises means nothing. My spouse had had multiple jobs and none gave raises like that. That's great you get that but it’s not normal.

I mean, hi. DP here in tech. Raises are absolutely the norm. Don’t know what to tell ya. You telling us your spouse doesn’t get raises means nothing too. It’s irrelevant to this thread but you might want to have a chat with them because what they are telling you isn’t true.

No they are not the norm and my spouse has had multiple jobs. In some jobs, the salary goes up and down every year due to RSU's. I know they are telling me the truth as I manage the money and do the taxes.

A simple Google search about tech job raises would do you wonders. "In 2021, the median salary for IT pros at large enterprises was $100,022, and $95,681 for those at mid-sized firms. In 2022, however, merit increases for IT pros lept to 5.61%, with the median salary for all IT professionals rising from $95,845 to $101,323. The median salary for an IT executive rose to $180,000." Followed by article after article about tech raises. But sure, you keep doing your spouses finances and using that to claim to be an expert. Sounds like your spouse might not be good at their job. Ever think of that?

The real point is, teachers' wages don't match their education. Most teachers have one or two masters and make under $100k and this is considered normal. It's an insult.

Alright, let's settle down.

To review, someone made the point that there are "no promotions" for teachers. I made the point that in other sectors where there are promotions, it's based on the subjective decision of a supervisor. It's often not totally "fair". Teachers' unions have explicitly opposed merit-based raises. Well, you can't have it both ways. You can't expect to be paid what you're worth, and also expect not to have your pay based on your performance.

We expect our step increases to match our worth. Truly not that difficult to comprehend.

But not every teacher has the same value.

I work in a "cushy office job", WFH three days a week, bathroom whenever I want, extremely flexible. Can be quite stressful, but overall I consider myself very lucky. I make $120k after 10 years. No pension so it's not quite as much more money than teachers as it might appear, but it is more (I am also being paid for more hours). But I got here by getting promoted by my boss. A coworker who started at the same time as I did in the same job never got promoted. He makes $65k.

Yeah… hence the steps. That was a whole paragraph typed out just to tell us you didn’t read the PP’s comment. The step represents each year a teacher has been teaching… so yes… experience. Jesus

Can you really not see the difference between compensating someone more purely on the basis of more years on the job, versus actual performance?

It turns out it's not so easy to figure out how to evaluate teachers based on "actual performance".

It’s really not easy to evaluate anyone on the basis of actual performance.

As a teacher I will be evaluating parents on performance. Can't wait!

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Anonymous wrote:60k starting salary is nothing to sneeze at

Over time you still lose out because there aren't any promotions but that is a very generous starting salary.

In most industries employees get pay increases based on the subjective assessments of their supervisors, but teachers' unions don't want that.

I work in tech. I get quarterly raises that have nothing to do with "subjective assessments" or even merit. The outrage people in other industries give teachers is so pathetic.

My spouse works in tech too. There are no raises and you have to job jump for more money.

Because your spouse works in tech, their experience is the end all? You're the authority on every tech job ever? Wow! I had no idea I was in the presence of such genius! DP, but I also work in tech. My own firsthand experience is yes, we get raises throughout the year AND we also job jump. Imagine that. Someone else with a different experience than you. Hard to imagine with such a narrow world view but try.

Saying you work tech and that it is normal to get regular raises means nothing. My spouse had had multiple jobs and none gave raises like that. That's great you get that but it’s not normal.

I mean, hi. DP here in tech. Raises are absolutely the norm. Don’t know what to tell ya. You telling us your spouse doesn’t get raises means nothing too. It’s irrelevant to this thread but you might want to have a chat with them because what they are telling you isn’t true.

No they are not the norm and my spouse has had multiple jobs. In some jobs, the salary goes up and down every year due to RSU's. I know they are telling me the truth as I manage the money and do the taxes.

A simple Google search about tech job raises would do you wonders. "In 2021, the median salary for IT pros at large enterprises was $100,022, and $95,681 for those at mid-sized firms. In 2022, however, merit increases for IT pros lept to 5.61%, with the median salary for all IT professionals rising from $95,845 to $101,323. The median salary for an IT executive rose to $180,000." Followed by article after article about tech raises. But sure, you keep doing your spouses finances and using that to claim to be an expert. Sounds like your spouse might not be good at their job. Ever think of that?

The real point is, teachers' wages don't match their education. Most teachers have one or two masters and make under $100k and this is considered normal. It's an insult.

Alright, let's settle down.

To review, someone made the point that there are "no promotions" for teachers. I made the point that in other sectors where there are promotions, it's based on the subjective decision of a supervisor. It's often not totally "fair". Teachers' unions have explicitly opposed merit-based raises. Well, you can't have it both ways. You can't expect to be paid what you're worth, and also expect not to have your pay based on your performance.

We expect our step increases to match our worth. Truly not that difficult to comprehend.

But not every teacher has the same value.

I work in a "cushy office job", WFH three days a week, bathroom whenever I want, extremely flexible. Can be quite stressful, but overall I consider myself very lucky. I make $120k after 10 years. No pension so it's not quite as much more money than teachers as it might appear, but it is more (I am also being paid for more hours). But I got here by getting promoted by my boss. A coworker who started at the same time as I did in the same job never got promoted. He makes $65k.

Yeah… hence the steps. That was a whole paragraph typed out just to tell us you didn’t read the PP’s comment. The step represents each year a teacher has been teaching… so yes… experience. Jesus

Can you really not see the difference between compensating someone more purely on the basis of more years on the job, versus actual performance?

It turns out it's not so easy to figure out how to evaluate teachers based on "actual performance".

It’s really not easy to evaluate anyone on the basis of actual performance.

As a teacher I will be evaluating parents on performance. Can't wait!

::Sigh::

[Anonymous]

One of our pregnant teachers had to throw up in the trash can in her room last week. There was no alternative -- not allowed to leave students alone. She also needs to wear Depends -- she's pregnant and she's a teacher.

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Anonymous wrote:60k starting salary is nothing to sneeze at

Over time you still lose out because there aren't any promotions but that is a very generous starting salary.

In most industries employees get pay increases based on the subjective assessments of their supervisors, but teachers' unions don't want that.

I work in tech. I get quarterly raises that have nothing to do with "subjective assessments" or even merit. The outrage people in other industries give teachers is so pathetic.

My spouse works in tech too. There are no raises and you have to job jump for more money.

Because your spouse works in tech, their experience is the end all? You're the authority on every tech job ever? Wow! I had no idea I was in the presence of such genius! DP, but I also work in tech. My own firsthand experience is yes, we get raises throughout the year AND we also job jump. Imagine that. Someone else with a different experience than you. Hard to imagine with such a narrow world view but try.

Saying you work tech and that it is normal to get regular raises means nothing. My spouse had had multiple jobs and none gave raises like that. That's great you get that but it’s not normal.

I mean, hi. DP here in tech. Raises are absolutely the norm. Don’t know what to tell ya. You telling us your spouse doesn’t get raises means nothing too. It’s irrelevant to this thread but you might want to have a chat with them because what they are telling you isn’t true.

No they are not the norm and my spouse has had multiple jobs. In some jobs, the salary goes up and down every year due to RSU's. I know they are telling me the truth as I manage the money and do the taxes.

A simple Google search about tech job raises would do you wonders. "In 2021, the median salary for IT pros at large enterprises was $100,022, and $95,681 for those at mid-sized firms. In 2022, however, merit increases for IT pros lept to 5.61%, with the median salary for all IT professionals rising from $95,845 to $101,323. The median salary for an IT executive rose to $180,000." Followed by article after article about tech raises. But sure, you keep doing your spouses finances and using that to claim to be an expert. Sounds like your spouse might not be good at their job. Ever think of that?

The real point is, teachers' wages don't match their education. Most teachers have one or two masters and make under $100k and this is considered normal. It's an insult.

Alright, let's settle down.

To review, someone made the point that there are "no promotions" for teachers. I made the point that in other sectors where there are promotions, it's based on the subjective decision of a supervisor. It's often not totally "fair". Teachers' unions have explicitly opposed merit-based raises. Well, you can't have it both ways. You can't expect to be paid what you're worth, and also expect not to have your pay based on your performance.

We expect our step increases to match our worth. Truly not that difficult to comprehend.

But not every teacher has the same value.

I work in a "cushy office job", WFH three days a week, bathroom whenever I want, extremely flexible. Can be quite stressful, but overall I consider myself very lucky. I make $120k after 10 years. No pension so it's not quite as much more money than teachers as it might appear, but it is more (I am also being paid for more hours). But I got here by getting promoted by my boss. A coworker who started at the same time as I did in the same job never got promoted. He makes $65k.

Yeah… hence the steps. That was a whole paragraph typed out just to tell us you didn’t read the PP’s comment. The step represents each year a teacher has been teaching… so yes… experience. Jesus

Can you really not see the difference between compensating someone more purely on the basis of more years on the job, versus actual performance?

It turns out it's not so easy to figure out how to evaluate teachers based on "actual performance".

It’s really not easy to evaluate anyone on the basis of actual performance.

As a teacher I will be evaluating parents on performance. Can't wait!

::Sigh::

This is a great idea! I will happily evaluate parents!

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Anonymous wrote:One of our pregnant teachers had to throw up in the trash can in her room last week. There was no alternative -- not allowed to leave students alone. She also needs to wear Depends -- she's pregnant and she's a teacher.

She can go on FLMA.

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Anonymous wrote:One of our pregnant teachers had to throw up in the trash can in her room last week. There was no alternative -- not allowed to leave students alone. She also needs to wear Depends -- she's pregnant and she's a teacher.

She can go on FLMA.

Not if she needs a paycheck, as most of us do.

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Anonymous wrote:60k starting salary is nothing to sneeze at

Over time you still lose out because there aren't any promotions but that is a very generous starting salary.

In most industries employees get pay increases based on the subjective assessments of their supervisors, but teachers' unions don't want that.

I work in tech. I get quarterly raises that have nothing to do with "subjective assessments" or even merit. The outrage people in other industries give teachers is so pathetic.

My spouse works in tech too. There are no raises and you have to job jump for more money.

Because your spouse works in tech, their experience is the end all? You're the authority on every tech job ever? Wow! I had no idea I was in the presence of such genius! DP, but I also work in tech. My own firsthand experience is yes, we get raises throughout the year AND we also job jump. Imagine that. Someone else with a different experience than you. Hard to imagine with such a narrow world view but try.

Saying you work tech and that it is normal to get regular raises means nothing. My spouse had had multiple jobs and none gave raises like that. That's great you get that but it’s not normal.

I mean, hi. DP here in tech. Raises are absolutely the norm. Don’t know what to tell ya. You telling us your spouse doesn’t get raises means nothing too. It’s irrelevant to this thread but you might want to have a chat with them because what they are telling you isn’t true.

No they are not the norm and my spouse has had multiple jobs. In some jobs, the salary goes up and down every year due to RSU's. I know they are telling me the truth as I manage the money and do the taxes.

A simple Google search about tech job raises would do you wonders. "In 2021, the median salary for IT pros at large enterprises was $100,022, and $95,681 for those at mid-sized firms. In 2022, however, merit increases for IT pros lept to 5.61%, with the median salary for all IT professionals rising from $95,845 to $101,323. The median salary for an IT executive rose to $180,000." Followed by article after article about tech raises. But sure, you keep doing your spouses finances and using that to claim to be an expert. Sounds like your spouse might not be good at their job. Ever think of that?

The real point is, teachers' wages don't match their education. Most teachers have one or two masters and make under $100k and this is considered normal. It's an insult.

Alright, let's settle down.

To review, someone made the point that there are "no promotions" for teachers. I made the point that in other sectors where there are promotions, it's based on the subjective decision of a supervisor. It's often not totally "fair". Teachers' unions have explicitly opposed merit-based raises. Well, you can't have it both ways. You can't expect to be paid what you're worth, and also expect not to have your pay based on your performance.

We expect our step increases to match our worth. Truly not that difficult to comprehend.

But not every teacher has the same value.

I work in a "cushy office job", WFH three days a week, bathroom whenever I want, extremely flexible. Can be quite stressful, but overall I consider myself very lucky. I make $120k after 10 years. No pension so it's not quite as much more money than teachers as it might appear, but it is more (I am also being paid for more hours). But I got here by getting promoted by my boss. A coworker who started at the same time as I did in the same job never got promoted. He makes $65k.

Yeah… hence the steps. That was a whole paragraph typed out just to tell us you didn’t read the PP’s comment. The step represents each year a teacher has been teaching… so yes… experience. Jesus

Can you really not see the difference between compensating someone more purely on the basis of more years on the job, versus actual performance?

It turns out it's not so easy to figure out how to evaluate teachers based on "actual performance".

It’s really not easy to evaluate anyone on the basis of actual performance.

As a teacher I will be evaluating parents on performance. Can't wait!

::Sigh::

This is a great idea! I will happily evaluate parents!

That is fine but ::spoiler alert:: that is not going to get you paid like a tech worker

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Anonymous wrote:60k starting salary is nothing to sneeze at

Over time you still lose out because there aren't any promotions but that is a very generous starting salary.

In most industries employees get pay increases based on the subjective assessments of their supervisors, but teachers' unions don't want that.

I work in tech. I get quarterly raises that have nothing to do with "subjective assessments" or even merit. The outrage people in other industries give teachers is so pathetic.

My spouse works in tech too. There are no raises and you have to job jump for more money.

Because your spouse works in tech, their experience is the end all? You're the authority on every tech job ever? Wow! I had no idea I was in the presence of such genius! DP, but I also work in tech. My own firsthand experience is yes, we get raises throughout the year AND we also job jump. Imagine that. Someone else with a different experience than you. Hard to imagine with such a narrow world view but try.

Saying you work tech and that it is normal to get regular raises means nothing. My spouse had had multiple jobs and none gave raises like that. That's great you get that but it’s not normal.

I mean, hi. DP here in tech. Raises are absolutely the norm. Don’t know what to tell ya. You telling us your spouse doesn’t get raises means nothing too. It’s irrelevant to this thread but you might want to have a chat with them because what they are telling you isn’t true.

No they are not the norm and my spouse has had multiple jobs. In some jobs, the salary goes up and down every year due to RSU's. I know they are telling me the truth as I manage the money and do the taxes.

A simple Google search about tech job raises would do you wonders. "In 2021, the median salary for IT pros at large enterprises was $100,022, and $95,681 for those at mid-sized firms. In 2022, however, merit increases for IT pros lept to 5.61%, with the median salary for all IT professionals rising from $95,845 to $101,323. The median salary for an IT executive rose to $180,000." Followed by article after article about tech raises. But sure, you keep doing your spouses finances and using that to claim to be an expert. Sounds like your spouse might not be good at their job. Ever think of that?

The real point is, teachers' wages don't match their education. Most teachers have one or two masters and make under $100k and this is considered normal. It's an insult.

Alright, let's settle down.

To review, someone made the point that there are "no promotions" for teachers. I made the point that in other sectors where there are promotions, it's based on the subjective decision of a supervisor. It's often not totally "fair". Teachers' unions have explicitly opposed merit-based raises. Well, you can't have it both ways. You can't expect to be paid what you're worth, and also expect not to have your pay based on your performance.

We expect our step increases to match our worth. Truly not that difficult to comprehend.

But not every teacher has the same value.

I work in a "cushy office job", WFH three days a week, bathroom whenever I want, extremely flexible. Can be quite stressful, but overall I consider myself very lucky. I make $120k after 10 years. No pension so it's not quite as much more money than teachers as it might appear, but it is more (I am also being paid for more hours). But I got here by getting promoted by my boss. A coworker who started at the same time as I did in the same job never got promoted. He makes $65k.

Yeah… hence the steps. That was a whole paragraph typed out just to tell us you didn’t read the PP’s comment. The step represents each year a teacher has been teaching… so yes… experience. Jesus

Can you really not see the difference between compensating someone more purely on the basis of more years on the job, versus actual performance?

It turns out it's not so easy to figure out how to evaluate teachers based on "actual performance".

It’s really not easy to evaluate anyone on the basis of actual performance.

As a teacher I will be evaluating parents on performance. Can't wait!

::Sigh::

This is a great idea! I will happily evaluate parents!

That is fine but ::spoiler alert:: that is not going to get you paid like a tech worker

No, because we value tech workers more than we value teachers.

-not a teacher

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Anonymous wrote:60k starting salary is nothing to sneeze at

Over time you still lose out because there aren't any promotions but that is a very generous starting salary.

In most industries employees get pay increases based on the subjective assessments of their supervisors, but teachers' unions don't want that.

I work in tech. I get quarterly raises that have nothing to do with "subjective assessments" or even merit. The outrage people in other industries give teachers is so pathetic.

My spouse works in tech too. There are no raises and you have to job jump for more money.

Because your spouse works in tech, their experience is the end all? You're the authority on every tech job ever? Wow! I had no idea I was in the presence of such genius! DP, but I also work in tech. My own firsthand experience is yes, we get raises throughout the year AND we also job jump. Imagine that. Someone else with a different experience than you. Hard to imagine with such a narrow world view but try.

Saying you work tech and that it is normal to get regular raises means nothing. My spouse had had multiple jobs and none gave raises like that. That's great you get that but it’s not normal.

I mean, hi. DP here in tech. Raises are absolutely the norm. Don’t know what to tell ya. You telling us your spouse doesn’t get raises means nothing too. It’s irrelevant to this thread but you might want to have a chat with them because what they are telling you isn’t true.

No they are not the norm and my spouse has had multiple jobs. In some jobs, the salary goes up and down every year due to RSU's. I know they are telling me the truth as I manage the money and do the taxes.

A simple Google search about tech job raises would do you wonders. "In 2021, the median salary for IT pros at large enterprises was $100,022, and $95,681 for those at mid-sized firms. In 2022, however, merit increases for IT pros lept to 5.61%, with the median salary for all IT professionals rising from $95,845 to $101,323. The median salary for an IT executive rose to $180,000." Followed by article after article about tech raises. But sure, you keep doing your spouses finances and using that to claim to be an expert. Sounds like your spouse might not be good at their job. Ever think of that?

The real point is, teachers' wages don't match their education. Most teachers have one or two masters and make under $100k and this is considered normal. It's an insult.

Alright, let's settle down.

To review, someone made the point that there are "no promotions" for teachers. I made the point that in other sectors where there are promotions, it's based on the subjective decision of a supervisor. It's often not totally "fair". Teachers' unions have explicitly opposed merit-based raises. Well, you can't have it both ways. You can't expect to be paid what you're worth, and also expect not to have your pay based on your performance.

We expect our step increases to match our worth. Truly not that difficult to comprehend.

But not every teacher has the same value.

I work in a "cushy office job", WFH three days a week, bathroom whenever I want, extremely flexible. Can be quite stressful, but overall I consider myself very lucky. I make $120k after 10 years. No pension so it's not quite as much more money than teachers as it might appear, but it is more (I am also being paid for more hours). But I got here by getting promoted by my boss. A coworker who started at the same time as I did in the same job never got promoted. He makes $65k.

Yeah… hence the steps. That was a whole paragraph typed out just to tell us you didn’t read the PP’s comment. The step represents each year a teacher has been teaching… so yes… experience. Jesus

Can you really not see the difference between compensating someone more purely on the basis of more years on the job, versus actual performance?

It turns out it's not so easy to figure out how to evaluate teachers based on "actual performance".

It’s really not easy to evaluate anyone on the basis of actual performance.

As a teacher I will be evaluating parents on performance. Can't wait!

::Sigh::

This is a great idea! I will happily evaluate parents!

That is fine but ::spoiler alert:: that is not going to get you paid like a tech worker

No, because we value tech workers more than we value teachers.

-not a teacher

Okay? Lots of people (the vast majority of master's level workers) are not paid like tech workers.

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Anonymous wrote:60k starting salary is nothing to sneeze at

Over time you still lose out because there aren't any promotions but that is a very generous starting salary.

In most industries employees get pay increases based on the subjective assessments of their supervisors, but teachers' unions don't want that.

I work in tech. I get quarterly raises that have nothing to do with "subjective assessments" or even merit. The outrage people in other industries give teachers is so pathetic.

My spouse works in tech too. There are no raises and you have to job jump for more money.

Because your spouse works in tech, their experience is the end all? You're the authority on every tech job ever? Wow! I had no idea I was in the presence of such genius! DP, but I also work in tech. My own firsthand experience is yes, we get raises throughout the year AND we also job jump. Imagine that. Someone else with a different experience than you. Hard to imagine with such a narrow world view but try.

Saying you work tech and that it is normal to get regular raises means nothing. My spouse had had multiple jobs and none gave raises like that. That's great you get that but it’s not normal.

I mean, hi. DP here in tech. Raises are absolutely the norm. Don’t know what to tell ya. You telling us your spouse doesn’t get raises means nothing too. It’s irrelevant to this thread but you might want to have a chat with them because what they are telling you isn’t true.

No they are not the norm and my spouse has had multiple jobs. In some jobs, the salary goes up and down every year due to RSU's. I know they are telling me the truth as I manage the money and do the taxes.

A simple Google search about tech job raises would do you wonders. "In 2021, the median salary for IT pros at large enterprises was $100,022, and $95,681 for those at mid-sized firms. In 2022, however, merit increases for IT pros lept to 5.61%, with the median salary for all IT professionals rising from $95,845 to $101,323. The median salary for an IT executive rose to $180,000." Followed by article after article about tech raises. But sure, you keep doing your spouses finances and using that to claim to be an expert. Sounds like your spouse might not be good at their job. Ever think of that?

The real point is, teachers' wages don't match their education. Most teachers have one or two masters and make under $100k and this is considered normal. It's an insult.

Alright, let's settle down.

To review, someone made the point that there are "no promotions" for teachers. I made the point that in other sectors where there are promotions, it's based on the subjective decision of a supervisor. It's often not totally "fair". Teachers' unions have explicitly opposed merit-based raises. Well, you can't have it both ways. You can't expect to be paid what you're worth, and also expect not to have your pay based on your performance.

We expect our step increases to match our worth. Truly not that difficult to comprehend.

But not every teacher has the same value.

I work in a "cushy office job", WFH three days a week, bathroom whenever I want, extremely flexible. Can be quite stressful, but overall I consider myself very lucky. I make $120k after 10 years. No pension so it's not quite as much more money than teachers as it might appear, but it is more (I am also being paid for more hours). But I got here by getting promoted by my boss. A coworker who started at the same time as I did in the same job never got promoted. He makes $65k.

Yeah… hence the steps. That was a whole paragraph typed out just to tell us you didn’t read the PP’s comment. The step represents each year a teacher has been teaching… so yes… experience. Jesus

Can you really not see the difference between compensating someone more purely on the basis of more years on the job, versus actual performance?

It turns out it's not so easy to figure out how to evaluate teachers based on "actual performance".

It’s really not easy to evaluate anyone on the basis of actual performance.

As a teacher I will be evaluating parents on performance. Can't wait!

::Sigh::

This is a great idea! I will happily evaluate parents!

That is fine but ::spoiler alert:: that is not going to get you paid like a tech worker

No, because we value tech workers more than we value teachers.

-not a teacher

Okay? Lots of people (the vast majority of master's level workers) are not paid like tech workers.

Whose work is more important to society, teachers or tech workers?