MCPS Reaches Agreement with MCEA to Raise Teachers' Wages

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Anonymous wrote:60k starting salary is nothing to sneeze at

Over time you still lose out because there aren't any promotions but that is a very generous starting salary.

In most industries employees get pay increases based on the subjective assessments of their supervisors, but teachers' unions don't want that.

I work in tech. I get quarterly raises that have nothing to do with "subjective assessments" or even merit. The outrage people in other industries give teachers is so pathetic.

My spouse works in tech too. There are no raises and you have to job jump for more money.

Because your spouse works in tech, their experience is the end all? You're the authority on every tech job ever? Wow! I had no idea I was in the presence of such genius! DP, but I also work in tech. My own firsthand experience is yes, we get raises throughout the year AND we also job jump. Imagine that. Someone else with a different experience than you. Hard to imagine with such a narrow world view but try.

Saying you work tech and that it is normal to get regular raises means nothing. My spouse had had multiple jobs and none gave raises like that. That's great you get that but it’s not normal.

I mean, hi. DP here in tech. Raises are absolutely the norm. Don’t know what to tell ya. You telling us your spouse doesn’t get raises means nothing too. It’s irrelevant to this thread but you might want to have a chat with them because what they are telling you isn’t true.

No they are not the norm and my spouse has had multiple jobs. In some jobs, the salary goes up and down every year due to RSU's. I know they are telling me the truth as I manage the money and do the taxes.

A simple Google search about tech job raises would do you wonders. "In 2021, the median salary for IT pros at large enterprises was $100,022, and $95,681 for those at mid-sized firms. In 2022, however, merit increases for IT pros lept to 5.61%, with the median salary for all IT professionals rising from $95,845 to $101,323. The median salary for an IT executive rose to $180,000." Followed by article after article about tech raises. But sure, you keep doing your spouses finances and using that to claim to be an expert. Sounds like your spouse might not be good at their job. Ever think of that?

The real point is, teachers' wages don't match their education. Most teachers have one or two masters and make under $100k and this is considered normal. It's an insult.

Having multiple master's degrees in basketweaving from Towson State doesn't entitle anyone to riches. Further, MCPS pay is generous especially when you consider most people in the private sector work 250+ days/year whereas teachers work 180-leave.

A lot of teachers seem to have grass is greener syndrome. They can't objectively appreciate how good they have it.

If being a teacher is so amazing, become one.

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Anonymous wrote:60k starting salary is nothing to sneeze at

Over time you still lose out because there aren't any promotions but that is a very generous starting salary.

In most industries employees get pay increases based on the subjective assessments of their supervisors, but teachers' unions don't want that.

I work in tech. I get quarterly raises that have nothing to do with "subjective assessments" or even merit. The outrage people in other industries give teachers is so pathetic.

My spouse works in tech too. There are no raises and you have to job jump for more money.

Because your spouse works in tech, their experience is the end all? You're the authority on every tech job ever? Wow! I had no idea I was in the presence of such genius! DP, but I also work in tech. My own firsthand experience is yes, we get raises throughout the year AND we also job jump. Imagine that. Someone else with a different experience than you. Hard to imagine with such a narrow world view but try.

Saying you work tech and that it is normal to get regular raises means nothing. My spouse had had multiple jobs and none gave raises like that. That's great you get that but it’s not normal.

I mean, hi. DP here in tech. Raises are absolutely the norm. Don’t know what to tell ya. You telling us your spouse doesn’t get raises means nothing too. It’s irrelevant to this thread but you might want to have a chat with them because what they are telling you isn’t true.

No they are not the norm and my spouse has had multiple jobs. In some jobs, the salary goes up and down every year due to RSU's. I know they are telling me the truth as I manage the money and do the taxes.

A simple Google search about tech job raises would do you wonders. "In 2021, the median salary for IT pros at large enterprises was $100,022, and $95,681 for those at mid-sized firms. In 2022, however, merit increases for IT pros lept to 5.61%, with the median salary for all IT professionals rising from $95,845 to $101,323. The median salary for an IT executive rose to $180,000." Followed by article after article about tech raises. But sure, you keep doing your spouses finances and using that to claim to be an expert. Sounds like your spouse might not be good at their job. Ever think of that?

The real point is, teachers' wages don't match their education. Most teachers have one or two masters and make under $100k and this is considered normal. It's an insult.

Having multiple master's degrees in basketweaving from Towson State doesn't entitle anyone to riches. Further, MCPS pay is generous especially when you consider most people in the private sector work 250+ days/year whereas teachers work 180-leave.

A lot of teachers seem to have grass is greener syndrome. They can't objectively appreciate how good they have it.

I'm not sure that's fair.

It's an objectively difficult job that isnt for most people (myself included).

They need to be paid like the professionals like they are, and barriers to their success- be they from central office, parents, anybody- need to be eliminated.

That doesnt mean they should get top 5% salaries in the area either.

Moco does pay their teachers well, as compared to pretty much the entire country.

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Anonymous wrote:60k starting salary is nothing to sneeze at

Over time you still lose out because there aren't any promotions but that is a very generous starting salary.

In most industries employees get pay increases based on the subjective assessments of their supervisors, but teachers' unions don't want that.

I work in tech. I get quarterly raises that have nothing to do with "subjective assessments" or even merit. The outrage people in other industries give teachers is so pathetic.

My spouse works in tech too. There are no raises and you have to job jump for more money.

Because your spouse works in tech, their experience is the end all? You're the authority on every tech job ever? Wow! I had no idea I was in the presence of such genius! DP, but I also work in tech. My own firsthand experience is yes, we get raises throughout the year AND we also job jump. Imagine that. Someone else with a different experience than you. Hard to imagine with such a narrow world view but try.

Saying you work tech and that it is normal to get regular raises means nothing. My spouse had had multiple jobs and none gave raises like that. That's great you get that but it’s not normal.

I mean, hi. DP here in tech. Raises are absolutely the norm. Don’t know what to tell ya. You telling us your spouse doesn’t get raises means nothing too. It’s irrelevant to this thread but you might want to have a chat with them because what they are telling you isn’t true.

No they are not the norm and my spouse has had multiple jobs. In some jobs, the salary goes up and down every year due to RSU's. I know they are telling me the truth as I manage the money and do the taxes.

A simple Google search about tech job raises would do you wonders. "In 2021, the median salary for IT pros at large enterprises was $100,022, and $95,681 for those at mid-sized firms. In 2022, however, merit increases for IT pros lept to 5.61%, with the median salary for all IT professionals rising from $95,845 to $101,323. The median salary for an IT executive rose to $180,000." Followed by article after article about tech raises. But sure, you keep doing your spouses finances and using that to claim to be an expert. Sounds like your spouse might not be good at their job. Ever think of that?

The real point is, teachers' wages don't match their education. Most teachers have one or two masters and make under $100k and this is considered normal. It's an insult.

Having multiple master's degrees in basketweaving from Towson State doesn't entitle anyone to riches. Further, MCPS pay is generous especially when you consider most people in the private sector work 250+ days/year whereas teachers work 180-leave.

A lot of teachers seem to have grass is greener syndrome. They can't objectively appreciate how good they have it.

I'm not sure that's fair.

It's an objectively difficult job that isnt for most people (myself included).

They need to be paid like the professionals like they are, and barriers to their success- be they from central office, parents, anybody- need to be eliminated.

That doesnt mean they should get top 5% salaries in the area either.

Moco does pay their teachers well, as compared to pretty much the entire country.

COL is higher in Moco compared to pretty much the entire country.

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Anonymous wrote:60k starting salary is nothing to sneeze at

Over time you still lose out because there aren't any promotions but that is a very generous starting salary.

In most industries employees get pay increases based on the subjective assessments of their supervisors, but teachers' unions don't want that.

I work in tech. I get quarterly raises that have nothing to do with "subjective assessments" or even merit. The outrage people in other industries give teachers is so pathetic.

My spouse works in tech too. There are no raises and you have to job jump for more money.

Because your spouse works in tech, their experience is the end all? You're the authority on every tech job ever? Wow! I had no idea I was in the presence of such genius! DP, but I also work in tech. My own firsthand experience is yes, we get raises throughout the year AND we also job jump. Imagine that. Someone else with a different experience than you. Hard to imagine with such a narrow world view but try.

Saying you work tech and that it is normal to get regular raises means nothing. My spouse had had multiple jobs and none gave raises like that. That's great you get that but it’s not normal.

I mean, hi. DP here in tech. Raises are absolutely the norm. Don’t know what to tell ya. You telling us your spouse doesn’t get raises means nothing too. It’s irrelevant to this thread but you might want to have a chat with them because what they are telling you isn’t true.

No they are not the norm and my spouse has had multiple jobs. In some jobs, the salary goes up and down every year due to RSU's. I know they are telling me the truth as I manage the money and do the taxes.

A simple Google search about tech job raises would do you wonders. "In 2021, the median salary for IT pros at large enterprises was $100,022, and $95,681 for those at mid-sized firms. In 2022, however, merit increases for IT pros lept to 5.61%, with the median salary for all IT professionals rising from $95,845 to $101,323. The median salary for an IT executive rose to $180,000." Followed by article after article about tech raises. But sure, you keep doing your spouses finances and using that to claim to be an expert. Sounds like your spouse might not be good at their job. Ever think of that?

The real point is, teachers' wages don't match their education. Most teachers have one or two masters and make under $100k and this is considered normal. It's an insult.

Having multiple master's degrees in basketweaving from Towson State doesn't entitle anyone to riches. Further, MCPS pay is generous especially when you consider most people in the private sector work 250+ days/year whereas teachers work 180-leave.

A lot of teachers seem to have grass is greener syndrome. They can't objectively appreciate how good they have it.

I'm not sure that's fair.

It's an objectively difficult job that isnt for most people (myself included).

They need to be paid like the professionals like they are, and barriers to their success- be they from central office, parents, anybody- need to be eliminated.

That doesnt mean they should get top 5% salaries in the area either.

Moco does pay their teachers well, as compared to pretty much the entire country.

COL is higher in Moco compared to pretty much the entire country.

And?

I believe that is reflected in their pay.

There are probably a handful of districts in the country where classroom teachers can earn a 6 figure salary, in addition to their great health care, definded benefit pensions, and summers off.

Will you get wealthy teaching? No. But it is a very good, middle class living.

Some of the other gripes- about moco housing being unaffordable- are valid complaints but affect every person in the county. Most of whom are not teachers.

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Anonymous wrote:60k starting salary is nothing to sneeze at

Over time you still lose out because there aren't any promotions but that is a very generous starting salary.

In most industries employees get pay increases based on the subjective assessments of their supervisors, but teachers' unions don't want that.

I work in tech. I get quarterly raises that have nothing to do with "subjective assessments" or even merit. The outrage people in other industries give teachers is so pathetic.

My spouse works in tech too. There are no raises and you have to job jump for more money.

Because your spouse works in tech, their experience is the end all? You're the authority on every tech job ever? Wow! I had no idea I was in the presence of such genius! DP, but I also work in tech. My own firsthand experience is yes, we get raises throughout the year AND we also job jump. Imagine that. Someone else with a different experience than you. Hard to imagine with such a narrow world view but try.

Saying you work tech and that it is normal to get regular raises means nothing. My spouse had had multiple jobs and none gave raises like that. That's great you get that but it’s not normal.

I mean, hi. DP here in tech. Raises are absolutely the norm. Don’t know what to tell ya. You telling us your spouse doesn’t get raises means nothing too. It’s irrelevant to this thread but you might want to have a chat with them because what they are telling you isn’t true.

No they are not the norm and my spouse has had multiple jobs. In some jobs, the salary goes up and down every year due to RSU's. I know they are telling me the truth as I manage the money and do the taxes.

A simple Google search about tech job raises would do you wonders. "In 2021, the median salary for IT pros at large enterprises was $100,022, and $95,681 for those at mid-sized firms. In 2022, however, merit increases for IT pros lept to 5.61%, with the median salary for all IT professionals rising from $95,845 to $101,323. The median salary for an IT executive rose to $180,000." Followed by article after article about tech raises. But sure, you keep doing your spouses finances and using that to claim to be an expert. Sounds like your spouse might not be good at their job. Ever think of that?

The real point is, teachers' wages don't match their education. Most teachers have one or two masters and make under $100k and this is considered normal. It's an insult.

Having multiple master's degrees in basketweaving from Towson State doesn't entitle anyone to riches. Further, MCPS pay is generous especially when you consider most people in the private sector work 250+ days/year whereas teachers work 180-leave.

A lot of teachers seem to have grass is greener syndrome. They can't objectively appreciate how good they have it.

I'm not sure that's fair.

It's an objectively difficult job that isnt for most people (myself included).

They need to be paid like the professionals like they are, and barriers to their success- be they from central office, parents, anybody- need to be eliminated.

That doesnt mean they should get top 5% salaries in the area either.

Moco does pay their teachers well, as compared to pretty much the entire country.

COL is higher in Moco compared to pretty much the entire country.

And?

I believe that is reflected in their pay.

There are probably a handful of districts in the country where classroom teachers can earn a 6 figure salary, in addition to their great health care, definded benefit pensions, and summers off.

Will you get wealthy teaching? No. But it is a very good, middle class living.

Some of the other gripes- about moco housing being unaffordable- are valid complaints but affect every person in the county. Most of whom are not teachers.

Again, if it was such a great gig we wouldn’t have any teacher shortages.

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Teachers have the upper hand here & will get what they’re asking for. They are not replaceable.

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Anonymous wrote:60k starting salary is nothing to sneeze at

Over time you still lose out because there aren't any promotions but that is a very generous starting salary.

In most industries employees get pay increases based on the subjective assessments of their supervisors, but teachers' unions don't want that.

I work in tech. I get quarterly raises that have nothing to do with "subjective assessments" or even merit. The outrage people in other industries give teachers is so pathetic.

My spouse works in tech too. There are no raises and you have to job jump for more money.

Because your spouse works in tech, their experience is the end all? You're the authority on every tech job ever? Wow! I had no idea I was in the presence of such genius! DP, but I also work in tech. My own firsthand experience is yes, we get raises throughout the year AND we also job jump. Imagine that. Someone else with a different experience than you. Hard to imagine with such a narrow world view but try.

Saying you work tech and that it is normal to get regular raises means nothing. My spouse had had multiple jobs and none gave raises like that. That's great you get that but it’s not normal.

I mean, hi. DP here in tech. Raises are absolutely the norm. Don’t know what to tell ya. You telling us your spouse doesn’t get raises means nothing too. It’s irrelevant to this thread but you might want to have a chat with them because what they are telling you isn’t true.

No they are not the norm and my spouse has had multiple jobs. In some jobs, the salary goes up and down every year due to RSU's. I know they are telling me the truth as I manage the money and do the taxes.

A simple Google search about tech job raises would do you wonders. "In 2021, the median salary for IT pros at large enterprises was $100,022, and $95,681 for those at mid-sized firms. In 2022, however, merit increases for IT pros lept to 5.61%, with the median salary for all IT professionals rising from $95,845 to $101,323. The median salary for an IT executive rose to $180,000." Followed by article after article about tech raises. But sure, you keep doing your spouses finances and using that to claim to be an expert. Sounds like your spouse might not be good at their job. Ever think of that?

The real point is, teachers' wages don't match their education. Most teachers have one or two masters and make under $100k and this is considered normal. It's an insult.

Having multiple master's degrees in basketweaving from Towson State doesn't entitle anyone to riches. Further, MCPS pay is generous especially when you consider most people in the private sector work 250+ days/year whereas teachers work 180-leave.

A lot of teachers seem to have grass is greener syndrome. They can't objectively appreciate how good they have it.

If teachers have it so good, how come so many teachers are leaving? My kid is doing elementary education as a second major (not at Towson, and the first major isn't basketweaving, thankyouverymuch). All the teachers my kid has talked to are saying, Don't do it.

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Anonymous wrote:Teachers have the upper hand here & will get what they’re asking for. They are not replaceable.

In Montgomery county, they pretty much always do get what they are asking for.
Whether or not the full budget is enacted- the teachers pay scales were already approved yesterday. The county is not going to not pay them.

One of the more frustrating parts to me is Elrich's budget grows the entire county government by like 7%, including thousands of new positions despite many current positions still being vacant.

And because its "for the schools", Elrich and Madeleno are goign to loophole this in to get it past a unanimous council vote. When the entire county government is growing significantly in this budget.

Even worse- even if the full 10% property tax increase is enacted- there is still a structural shortage for NEXT YEAR.

It's a huge tax hike, that covers exactly 11 months of new spending.

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Anonymous wrote:60k starting salary is nothing to sneeze at

Over time you still lose out because there aren't any promotions but that is a very generous starting salary.

In most industries employees get pay increases based on the subjective assessments of their supervisors, but teachers' unions don't want that.

I work in tech. I get quarterly raises that have nothing to do with "subjective assessments" or even merit. The outrage people in other industries give teachers is so pathetic.

My spouse works in tech too. There are no raises and you have to job jump for more money.

Because your spouse works in tech, their experience is the end all? You're the authority on every tech job ever? Wow! I had no idea I was in the presence of such genius! DP, but I also work in tech. My own firsthand experience is yes, we get raises throughout the year AND we also job jump. Imagine that. Someone else with a different experience than you. Hard to imagine with such a narrow world view but try.

Saying you work tech and that it is normal to get regular raises means nothing. My spouse had had multiple jobs and none gave raises like that. That's great you get that but it’s not normal.

I mean, hi. DP here in tech. Raises are absolutely the norm. Don’t know what to tell ya. You telling us your spouse doesn’t get raises means nothing too. It’s irrelevant to this thread but you might want to have a chat with them because what they are telling you isn’t true.

No they are not the norm and my spouse has had multiple jobs. In some jobs, the salary goes up and down every year due to RSU's. I know they are telling me the truth as I manage the money and do the taxes.

A simple Google search about tech job raises would do you wonders. "In 2021, the median salary for IT pros at large enterprises was $100,022, and $95,681 for those at mid-sized firms. In 2022, however, merit increases for IT pros lept to 5.61%, with the median salary for all IT professionals rising from $95,845 to $101,323. The median salary for an IT executive rose to $180,000." Followed by article after article about tech raises. But sure, you keep doing your spouses finances and using that to claim to be an expert. Sounds like your spouse might not be good at their job. Ever think of that?

The real point is, teachers' wages don't match their education. Most teachers have one or two masters and make under $100k and this is considered normal. It's an insult.

Having multiple master's degrees in basketweaving from Towson State doesn't entitle anyone to riches. Further, MCPS pay is generous especially when you consider most people in the private sector work 250+ days/year whereas teachers work 180-leave.

A lot of teachers seem to have grass is greener syndrome. They can't objectively appreciate how good they have it.

If being a teacher is so amazing, become one.

I did. I spent 10 years in the private sector, but unlike many of my peers I know how great I have it compared to the alternatives.

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Anonymous wrote:60k starting salary is nothing to sneeze at

Over time you still lose out because there aren't any promotions but that is a very generous starting salary.

In most industries employees get pay increases based on the subjective assessments of their supervisors, but teachers' unions don't want that.

I work in tech. I get quarterly raises that have nothing to do with "subjective assessments" or even merit. The outrage people in other industries give teachers is so pathetic.

My spouse works in tech too. There are no raises and you have to job jump for more money.

Because your spouse works in tech, their experience is the end all? You're the authority on every tech job ever? Wow! I had no idea I was in the presence of such genius! DP, but I also work in tech. My own firsthand experience is yes, we get raises throughout the year AND we also job jump. Imagine that. Someone else with a different experience than you. Hard to imagine with such a narrow world view but try.

Saying you work tech and that it is normal to get regular raises means nothing. My spouse had had multiple jobs and none gave raises like that. That's great you get that but it’s not normal.

I mean, hi. DP here in tech. Raises are absolutely the norm. Don’t know what to tell ya. You telling us your spouse doesn’t get raises means nothing too. It’s irrelevant to this thread but you might want to have a chat with them because what they are telling you isn’t true.

No they are not the norm and my spouse has had multiple jobs. In some jobs, the salary goes up and down every year due to RSU's. I know they are telling me the truth as I manage the money and do the taxes.

A simple Google search about tech job raises would do you wonders. "In 2021, the median salary for IT pros at large enterprises was $100,022, and $95,681 for those at mid-sized firms. In 2022, however, merit increases for IT pros lept to 5.61%, with the median salary for all IT professionals rising from $95,845 to $101,323. The median salary for an IT executive rose to $180,000." Followed by article after article about tech raises. But sure, you keep doing your spouses finances and using that to claim to be an expert. Sounds like your spouse might not be good at their job. Ever think of that?

The real point is, teachers' wages don't match their education. Most teachers have one or two masters and make under $100k and this is considered normal. It's an insult.

Having multiple master's degrees in basketweaving from Towson State doesn't entitle anyone to riches. Further, MCPS pay is generous especially when you consider most people in the private sector work 250+ days/year whereas teachers work 180-leave.

A lot of teachers seem to have grass is greener syndrome. They can't objectively appreciate how good they have it.

If being a teacher is so amazing, become one.

I did. I spent 10 years in the private sector, but unlike many of my peers I know how great I have it compared to the alternatives.

Sure, Jan. It's easy to pretend to be a teacher online. You know who has it good? People who work from home. That's what most teachers are leaving to do. Teachers absolutely do not "have it better." They are essentially trapped in a building all day, with zero freedoms including basic ones such as using the restroom. Give me a break.

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Anonymous wrote:60k starting salary is nothing to sneeze at

Over time you still lose out because there aren't any promotions but that is a very generous starting salary.

In most industries employees get pay increases based on the subjective assessments of their supervisors, but teachers' unions don't want that.

I work in tech. I get quarterly raises that have nothing to do with "subjective assessments" or even merit. The outrage people in other industries give teachers is so pathetic.

My spouse works in tech too. There are no raises and you have to job jump for more money.

Because your spouse works in tech, their experience is the end all? You're the authority on every tech job ever? Wow! I had no idea I was in the presence of such genius! DP, but I also work in tech. My own firsthand experience is yes, we get raises throughout the year AND we also job jump. Imagine that. Someone else with a different experience than you. Hard to imagine with such a narrow world view but try.

Saying you work tech and that it is normal to get regular raises means nothing. My spouse had had multiple jobs and none gave raises like that. That's great you get that but it’s not normal.

I mean, hi. DP here in tech. Raises are absolutely the norm. Don’t know what to tell ya. You telling us your spouse doesn’t get raises means nothing too. It’s irrelevant to this thread but you might want to have a chat with them because what they are telling you isn’t true.

No they are not the norm and my spouse has had multiple jobs. In some jobs, the salary goes up and down every year due to RSU's. I know they are telling me the truth as I manage the money and do the taxes.

A simple Google search about tech job raises would do you wonders. "In 2021, the median salary for IT pros at large enterprises was $100,022, and $95,681 for those at mid-sized firms. In 2022, however, merit increases for IT pros lept to 5.61%, with the median salary for all IT professionals rising from $95,845 to $101,323. The median salary for an IT executive rose to $180,000." Followed by article after article about tech raises. But sure, you keep doing your spouses finances and using that to claim to be an expert. Sounds like your spouse might not be good at their job. Ever think of that?

The real point is, teachers' wages don't match their education. Most teachers have one or two masters and make under $100k and this is considered normal. It's an insult.

Having multiple master's degrees in basketweaving from Towson State doesn't entitle anyone to riches. Further, MCPS pay is generous especially when you consider most people in the private sector work 250+ days/year whereas teachers work 180-leave.

A lot of teachers seem to have grass is greener syndrome. They can't objectively appreciate how good they have it.

If being a teacher is so amazing, become one.

I did. I spent 10 years in the private sector, but unlike many of my peers I know how great I have it compared to the alternatives.

Sure, Jan. It's easy to pretend to be a teacher online. You know who has it good? People who work from home. That's what most teachers are leaving to do. Teachers absolutely do not "have it better." They are essentially trapped in a building all day, with zero freedoms including basic ones such as using the restroom. Give me a break.

With all due respect- I work in an office 5 days a week.

(Yes I am allowed to use the bathroom as much as I'd like, but I think that was some hyperbole on your part).

And you got to work from home for a year plus.

Certain jobs are never going to be WFH positions due to the nature of the work.

If it is a better option for you to work one of those great WFH jobs that all the teachers are leaving to do (?), it seems like you should do that.

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A big problem is that it takes so long to make decent money in teaching (7 % of salary goes towards the pension). By that time we have lost many talented teachers. And, for hires after 2011, it takes longer to be vested in the pension and longer to earn the pension. For many, it's not worth it anymore to stick around to the end.

The union is working to increase the starting salary and work to getting teachers to make a solid income quicker. Teaching has gotten harder with all the initiatives, pointless and degrading trainings/meetings, admin, behaviors and loss of autonomy. We are losing a lot due to this. And the workload can be crushing but also inequitable - depending on position (I know this because I have had several positions in the county).

I'm curious to see how the raise effects retention. I know several friends that are taking childcare leave (out of the blue, their kids are older), some are leaving for new jobs and some are switching to teaching jobs closer to where they live (When I worked in Germantown, I had a coworker that came in from PA and another from W. VA and many were in Frederick).

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With all due respect- I work in an office 5 days a week.

(Yes I am allowed to use the bathroom as much as I'd like, but I think that was some hyperbole on your part).

And you got to work from home for a year plus.

Certain jobs are never going to be WFH positions due to the nature of the work.

If it is a better option for you to work one of those great WFH jobs that all the teachers are leaving to do (?), it seems like you should do that.

And that's where lots of individual choices become a societal issue. I am not a teacher, but I am able to recognize that it will be a real problem for everyone if lots of current teachers decide that not-teaching would be a better option for them.

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Anonymous wrote:A big problem is that it takes so long to make decent money in teaching (7 % of salary goes towards the pension). By that time we have lost many talented teachers. And, for hires after 2011, it takes longer to be vested in the pension and longer to earn the pension. For many, it's not worth it anymore to stick around to the end.

The union is working to increase the starting salary and work to getting teachers to make a solid income quicker. Teaching has gotten harder with all the initiatives, pointless and degrading trainings/meetings, admin, behaviors and loss of autonomy. We are losing a lot due to this. And the workload can be crushing but also inequitable - depending on position (I know this because I have had several positions in the county).

I'm curious to see how the raise effects retention. I know several friends that are taking childcare leave (out of the blue, their kids are older), some are leaving for new jobs and some are switching to teaching jobs closer to where they live (When I worked in Germantown, I had a coworker that came in from PA and another from W. VA and many were in Frederick).

It seems like there are lots of beginning teachers, and lots of end-of-career teachers, but maybe not so many mid-career teachers?

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Anonymous wrote:60k starting salary is nothing to sneeze at

Over time you still lose out because there aren't any promotions but that is a very generous starting salary.

In most industries employees get pay increases based on the subjective assessments of their supervisors, but teachers' unions don't want that.

I work in tech. I get quarterly raises that have nothing to do with "subjective assessments" or even merit. The outrage people in other industries give teachers is so pathetic.

My spouse works in tech too. There are no raises and you have to job jump for more money.

Because your spouse works in tech, their experience is the end all? You're the authority on every tech job ever? Wow! I had no idea I was in the presence of such genius! DP, but I also work in tech. My own firsthand experience is yes, we get raises throughout the year AND we also job jump. Imagine that. Someone else with a different experience than you. Hard to imagine with such a narrow world view but try.

Saying you work tech and that it is normal to get regular raises means nothing. My spouse had had multiple jobs and none gave raises like that. That's great you get that but it’s not normal.

I mean, hi. DP here in tech. Raises are absolutely the norm. Don’t know what to tell ya. You telling us your spouse doesn’t get raises means nothing too. It’s irrelevant to this thread but you might want to have a chat with them because what they are telling you isn’t true.

No they are not the norm and my spouse has had multiple jobs. In some jobs, the salary goes up and down every year due to RSU's. I know they are telling me the truth as I manage the money and do the taxes.

A simple Google search about tech job raises would do you wonders. "In 2021, the median salary for IT pros at large enterprises was $100,022, and $95,681 for those at mid-sized firms. In 2022, however, merit increases for IT pros lept to 5.61%, with the median salary for all IT professionals rising from $95,845 to $101,323. The median salary for an IT executive rose to $180,000." Followed by article after article about tech raises. But sure, you keep doing your spouses finances and using that to claim to be an expert. Sounds like your spouse might not be good at their job. Ever think of that?

The real point is, teachers' wages don't match their education. Most teachers have one or two masters and make under $100k and this is considered normal. It's an insult.

Having multiple master's degrees in basketweaving from Towson State doesn't entitle anyone to riches. Further, MCPS pay is generous especially when you consider most people in the private sector work 250+ days/year whereas teachers work 180-leave.

A lot of teachers seem to have grass is greener syndrome. They can't objectively appreciate how good they have it.

If teachers have it so good, how come so many teachers are leaving? My kid is doing elementary education as a second major (not at Towson, and the first major isn't basketweaving, thankyouverymuch). All the teachers my kid has talked to are saying, Don't do it.

It can also be a very rewarding job.