MCPS Reaches Agreement with MCEA to Raise Teachers' Wages

[Anonymous]

My issue with the raises is that they don’t address the issue- the status of schools. Will this keep teachers in the building (I’m not sure)? I think using the money to make the schools safer and classes smaller might actually go further in job satisfaction than this raise. But we shall see.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This is a COLA people. Are some of you really trying to argue that teachers don’t at least deserve a cost of living increase?

No, nobody is saying that. Somebody pointed out that as s teacher there are "no promotions". In my job, I can get big raises by getting "promoted" to a higher grade (doing the same job), but it's at the discretion of my boss. Teacher's unions do not want that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My issue with the raises is that they don’t address the issue- the status of schools. Will this keep teachers in the building (I’m not sure)? I think using the money to make the schools safer and classes smaller might actually go further in job satisfaction than this raise. But we shall see.

No I'd be more satisfied with being able to afford daycare, thanks. This will keep me teaching. As someone with 2 Master's, I'd love to be paid for my experience and knowledge.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:60k starting salary is nothing to sneeze at

Over time you still lose out because there aren't any promotions but that is a very generous starting salary.

In most industries employees get pay increases based on the subjective assessments of their supervisors, but teachers' unions don't want that.

I work in tech. I get quarterly raises that have nothing to do with "subjective assessments" or even merit. The outrage people in other industries give teachers is so pathetic.

My spouse works in tech too. There are no raises and you have to job jump for more money.

Because your spouse works in tech, their experience is the end all? You're the authority on every tech job ever? Wow! I had no idea I was in the presence of such genius! DP, but I also work in tech. My own firsthand experience is yes, we get raises throughout the year AND we also job jump. Imagine that. Someone else with a different experience than you. Hard to imagine with such a narrow world view but try.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:60k starting salary is nothing to sneeze at

Over time you still lose out because there aren't any promotions but that is a very generous starting salary.

In most industries employees get pay increases based on the subjective assessments of their supervisors, but teachers' unions don't want that.

I work in tech. I get quarterly raises that have nothing to do with "subjective assessments" or even merit. The outrage people in other industries give teachers is so pathetic.

My spouse works in tech too. There are no raises and you have to job jump for more money.

That's the industry norm and why most people don't hang around for long. When I worked at a FANG company in Silicon Valley we were eligible for quarterly bonuses but that was usually options that required vesting...

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:60k starting salary is nothing to sneeze at

Over time you still lose out because there aren't any promotions but that is a very generous starting salary.

In most industries employees get pay increases based on the subjective assessments of their supervisors, but teachers' unions don't want that.

I work in tech. I get quarterly raises that have nothing to do with "subjective assessments" or even merit. The outrage people in other industries give teachers is so pathetic.

My spouse works in tech too. There are no raises and you have to job jump for more money.

That's the industry norm and why most people don't hang around for long. When I worked at a FANG company in Silicon Valley we were eligible for quarterly bonuses but that was usually options that required vesting...

School systems generally don't like teachers bouncing between jobs. What works really in tech and other sectors is horrible for students.

We need a pay scale that rewards teachers staying around.

[Anonymous]

I think it's hilarious that this thread seems to view the economy as being composed of teachers and tech workers.

Each industry has its own quirks. One aspect of teaching that has been raised on this thread is that there are "no promotions". And unlike in tech, if you job jump to another school system, you are much more likely to get a pay cut than a pay bump.

In many sectors, including the federal government as well as many tech companies, you can get promotions and a reasonably large pay bump (e.g. 10%) if your boss decides to promote you to the next level (for example in AWS you could go from being an "analyst" to a "senior analyst". Your job is functionally the same, but the promotion recognizes you are doing a higher level of work with less supervision. This does not happen in teaching jobs.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My issue with the raises is that they don’t address the issue- the status of schools. Will this keep teachers in the building (I’m not sure)? I think using the money to make the schools safer and classes smaller might actually go further in job satisfaction than this raise. But we shall see.

I agree with this 100%. Job satisfaction is terrible. County policies are horrendous. I would rather have smaller classes, more substitutes so I keep my planning time, stipends for sponsoring student clubs, professional leave to plan with my team, a functional grading platform…

[Anonymous]

Teachers marry tech workers because K-12 teaching is profession that suits people with a childcare personality and tech leans the opposite. Plus teachers tend to be underpaid for their education level so have more pressure match with high earners.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:60k starting salary is nothing to sneeze at

Over time you still lose out because there aren't any promotions but that is a very generous starting salary.

In most industries employees get pay increases based on the subjective assessments of their supervisors, but teachers' unions don't want that.

I work in tech. I get quarterly raises that have nothing to do with "subjective assessments" or even merit. The outrage people in other industries give teachers is so pathetic.

My spouse works in tech too. There are no raises and you have to job jump for more money.

Because your spouse works in tech, their experience is the end all? You're the authority on every tech job ever? Wow! I had no idea I was in the presence of such genius! DP, but I also work in tech. My own firsthand experience is yes, we get raises throughout the year AND we also job jump. Imagine that. Someone else with a different experience than you. Hard to imagine with such a narrow world view but try.

Saying you work tech and that it is normal to get regular raises means nothing. My spouse had had multiple jobs and none gave raises like that. That's great you get that but its not normal.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Teachers marry tech workers because K-12 teaching is profession that suits people with a childcare personality and tech leans the opposite. Plus teachers tend to be underpaid for their education level so have more pressure match with high earners.

Teachers make more than other equal government jobs in the county. They do better than social workers, nurses, public health, etc. Plus most are on a 10 month pay vs. 12. And, better benefits. They also get better tuition benefits.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:60k starting salary is nothing to sneeze at

Over time you still lose out because there aren't any promotions but that is a very generous starting salary.

In most industries employees get pay increases based on the subjective assessments of their supervisors, but teachers' unions don't want that.

I work in tech. I get quarterly raises that have nothing to do with "subjective assessments" or even merit. The outrage people in other industries give teachers is so pathetic.

My spouse works in tech too. There are no raises and you have to job jump for more money.

That's the industry norm and why most people don't hang around for long. When I worked at a FANG company in Silicon Valley we were eligible for quarterly bonuses but that was usually options that required vesting...

Maybe that FANG, but not others. RSU's are different. That's not a bonus and built into the pay.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think it's hilarious that this thread seems to view the economy as being composed of teachers and tech workers.

Each industry has its own quirks. One aspect of teaching that has been raised on this thread is that there are "no promotions". And unlike in tech, if you job jump to another school system, you are much more likely to get a pay cut than a pay bump.

In many sectors, including the federal government as well as many tech companies, you can get promotions and a reasonably large pay bump (e.g. 10%) if your boss decides to promote you to the next level (for example in AWS you could go from being an "analyst" to a "senior analyst". Your job is functionally the same, but the promotion recognizes you are doing a higher level of work with less supervision. This does not happen in teaching jobs.

They are not remotely equal. It's near impossible to get a promotion with AWS. You have to leave and come back. And, you don't always get more money.

[Anonymous]

The raise is not enough to keep the exhausted teachers and it's not enough to attract new teachers. Our kids are screwed

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:60k starting salary is nothing to sneeze at

Over time you still lose out because there aren't any promotions but that is a very generous starting salary.

In most industries employees get pay increases based on the subjective assessments of their supervisors, but teachers' unions don't want that.

I work in tech. I get quarterly raises that have nothing to do with "subjective assessments" or even merit. The outrage people in other industries give teachers is so pathetic.

My spouse works in tech too. There are no raises and you have to job jump for more money.

Because your spouse works in tech, their experience is the end all? You're the authority on every tech job ever? Wow! I had no idea I was in the presence of such genius! DP, but I also work in tech. My own firsthand experience is yes, we get raises throughout the year AND we also job jump. Imagine that. Someone else with a different experience than you. Hard to imagine with such a narrow world view but try.

Saying you work tech and that it is normal to get regular raises means nothing. My spouse had had multiple jobs and none gave raises like that. That's great you get that but it’s not normal.

I mean, hi. DP here in tech. Raises are absolutely the norm. Don’t know what to tell ya. You telling us your spouse doesn’t get raises means nothing too. It’s irrelevant to this thread but you might want to have a chat with them because what they are telling you isn’t true.