MCPS Reaches Agreement with MCEA to Raise Teachers' Wages

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Anonymous wrote:Teachers marry tech workers because K-12 teaching is profession that suits people with a childcare personality and tech leans the opposite. Plus teachers tend to be underpaid for their education level so have more pressure match with high earners.

Teachers make more than other equal government jobs in the county. They do better than social workers, nurses, public health, etc. Plus most are on a 10 month pay vs. 12. And, better benefits. They also get better tuition benefits.

Teachers absolutely do not do better than nurses. MCPS tuition reimbursement is a joke even though the only way to get paid more is to take classes so you’re essentially buying your own raise. Do some actual research first, then complain.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:60k starting salary is nothing to sneeze at

Over time you still lose out because there aren't any promotions but that is a very generous starting salary.

In most industries employees get pay increases based on the subjective assessments of their supervisors, but teachers' unions don't want that.

I work in tech. I get quarterly raises that have nothing to do with "subjective assessments" or even merit. The outrage people in other industries give teachers is so pathetic.

I work in Tech. Most companies do not give Qtrly raises and most workers are not getting huge raises yearly either. IF you work in Tech in a larger company you and everyone else are working hard to be sure the company makes its numbers so your RSU’s and bonus pann out. You’re also trying to beat out the “culling”.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Teachers marry tech workers because K-12 teaching is profession that suits people with a childcare personality and tech leans the opposite. Plus teachers tend to be underpaid for their education level so have more pressure match with high earners.

Teachers make more than other equal government jobs in the county. They do better than social workers, nurses, public health, etc. Plus most are on a 10 month pay vs. 12. And, better benefits. They also get better tuition benefits.

Teachers absolutely do not do better than nurses. MCPS tuition reimbursement is a joke even though the only way to get paid more is to take classes so you’re essentially buying your own raise. Do some actual research first, then complain.

If you look at county employees, test they do.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:60k starting salary is nothing to sneeze at

Over time you still lose out because there aren't any promotions but that is a very generous starting salary.

In most industries employees get pay increases based on the subjective assessments of their supervisors, but teachers' unions don't want that.

I work in tech. I get quarterly raises that have nothing to do with "subjective assessments" or even merit. The outrage people in other industries give teachers is so pathetic.

My spouse works in tech too. There are no raises and you have to job jump for more money.

Because your spouse works in tech, their experience is the end all? You're the authority on every tech job ever? Wow! I had no idea I was in the presence of such genius! DP, but I also work in tech. My own firsthand experience is yes, we get raises throughout the year AND we also job jump. Imagine that. Someone else with a different experience than you. Hard to imagine with such a narrow world view but try.

Saying you work tech and that it is normal to get regular raises means nothing. My spouse had had multiple jobs and none gave raises like that. That's great you get that but it’s not normal.

I mean, hi. DP here in tech. Raises are absolutely the norm. Don’t know what to tell ya. You telling us your spouse doesn’t get raises means nothing too. It’s irrelevant to this thread but you might want to have a chat with them because what they are telling you isn’t true.

No they are not the norm and my spouse has had multiple jobs. In some jobs, the salary goes up and down every year due to RSU's. I know they are telling me the truth as I manage the money and do the taxes.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Teachers marry tech workers because K-12 teaching is profession that suits people with a childcare personality and tech leans the opposite. Plus teachers tend to be underpaid for their education level so have more pressure match with high earners.

Teachers make more than other equal government jobs in the county. They do better than social workers, nurses, public health, etc. Plus most are on a 10 month pay vs. 12. And, better benefits. They also get better tuition benefits.

But it's still not enough for them to stick with it. I wonder why. Maybe someone should look around and ask teachers why they are leaving and what they could do about it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think it's hilarious that this thread seems to view the economy as being composed of teachers and tech workers.

Each industry has its own quirks. One aspect of teaching that has been raised on this thread is that there are "no promotions". And unlike in tech, if you job jump to another school system, you are much more likely to get a pay cut than a pay bump.

In many sectors, including the federal government as well as many tech companies, you can get promotions and a reasonably large pay bump (e.g. 10%) if your boss decides to promote you to the next level (for example in AWS you could go from being an "analyst" to a "senior analyst". Your job is functionally the same, but the promotion recognizes you are doing a higher level of work with less supervision. This does not happen in teaching jobs.

They are not remotely equal. It's near impossible to get a promotion with AWS. You have to leave and come back. And, you don't always get more money.

That's funny, I must know some really lucky people because the ones I know have definitely gotten promoted at AWS.

Also I have no idea what you are trying to argue. What did I saw was "equal" that is "not remotely equal"?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Teachers marry tech workers because K-12 teaching is profession that suits people with a childcare personality and tech leans the opposite. Plus teachers tend to be underpaid for their education level so have more pressure match with high earners.

Teachers make more than other equal government jobs in the county. They do better than social workers, nurses, public health, etc. Plus most are on a 10 month pay vs. 12. And, better benefits. They also get better tuition benefits.

But it's still not enough for them to stick with it. I wonder why. Maybe someone should look around and ask teachers why they are leaving and what they could do about it.

Just in the last week I’ve been hit with classroom furniture, cursed at by multiple students and threatened with gun violence by multiple students at a “good” school. There are no consequences for students, no real support for their needs and nobody is helping teachers!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:60k starting salary is nothing to sneeze at

Over time you still lose out because there aren't any promotions but that is a very generous starting salary.

In most industries employees get pay increases based on the subjective assessments of their supervisors, but teachers' unions don't want that.

I work in tech. I get quarterly raises that have nothing to do with "subjective assessments" or even merit. The outrage people in other industries give teachers is so pathetic.

My spouse works in tech too. There are no raises and you have to job jump for more money.

Because your spouse works in tech, their experience is the end all? You're the authority on every tech job ever? Wow! I had no idea I was in the presence of such genius! DP, but I also work in tech. My own firsthand experience is yes, we get raises throughout the year AND we also job jump. Imagine that. Someone else with a different experience than you. Hard to imagine with such a narrow world view but try.

Saying you work tech and that it is normal to get regular raises means nothing. My spouse had had multiple jobs and none gave raises like that. That's great you get that but it’s not normal.

I mean, hi. DP here in tech. Raises are absolutely the norm. Don’t know what to tell ya. You telling us your spouse doesn’t get raises means nothing too. It’s irrelevant to this thread but you might want to have a chat with them because what they are telling you isn’t true.

No they are not the norm and my spouse has had multiple jobs. In some jobs, the salary goes up and down every year due to RSU's. I know they are telling me the truth as I manage the money and do the taxes.

Sure, Jan. Whatever helps you sleep better at night.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:60k starting salary is nothing to sneeze at

Over time you still lose out because there aren't any promotions but that is a very generous starting salary.

In most industries employees get pay increases based on the subjective assessments of their supervisors, but teachers' unions don't want that.

I work in tech. I get quarterly raises that have nothing to do with "subjective assessments" or even merit. The outrage people in other industries give teachers is so pathetic.

My spouse works in tech too. There are no raises and you have to job jump for more money.

Because your spouse works in tech, their experience is the end all? You're the authority on every tech job ever? Wow! I had no idea I was in the presence of such genius! DP, but I also work in tech. My own firsthand experience is yes, we get raises throughout the year AND we also job jump. Imagine that. Someone else with a different experience than you. Hard to imagine with such a narrow world view but try.

Saying you work tech and that it is normal to get regular raises means nothing. My spouse had had multiple jobs and none gave raises like that. That's great you get that but it’s not normal.

I mean, hi. DP here in tech. Raises are absolutely the norm. Don’t know what to tell ya. You telling us your spouse doesn’t get raises means nothing too. It’s irrelevant to this thread but you might want to have a chat with them because what they are telling you isn’t true.

No they are not the norm and my spouse has had multiple jobs. In some jobs, the salary goes up and down every year due to RSU's. I know they are telling me the truth as I manage the money and do the taxes.

A simple Google search about tech job raises would do you wonders. "In 2021, the median salary for IT pros at large enterprises was $100,022, and $95,681 for those at mid-sized firms. In 2022, however, merit increases for IT pros lept to 5.61%, with the median salary for all IT professionals rising from $95,845 to $101,323. The median salary for an IT executive rose to $180,000." Followed by article after article about tech raises. But sure, you keep doing your spouses finances and using that to claim to be an expert. Sounds like your spouse might not be good at their job. Ever think of that?

The real point is, teachers' wages don't match their education. Most teachers have one or two masters and make under $100k and this is considered normal. It's an insult.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Teachers marry tech workers because K-12 teaching is profession that suits people with a childcare personality and tech leans the opposite. Plus teachers tend to be underpaid for their education level so have more pressure match with high earners.

Teachers make more than other equal government jobs in the county. They do better than social workers, nurses, public health, etc. Plus most are on a 10 month pay vs. 12. And, better benefits. They also get better tuition benefits.

Teachers absolutely do not do better than nurses. MCPS tuition reimbursement is a joke even though the only way to get paid more is to take classes so you’re essentially buying your own raise. Do some actual research first, then complain.

How is tuition reimbursement a joke? They reimburse up to 9 credits a year. I've never had anything denied and got to +60 quickly and didn't cost me a thing.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Teachers marry tech workers because K-12 teaching is profession that suits people with a childcare personality and tech leans the opposite. Plus teachers tend to be underpaid for their education level so have more pressure match with high earners.

Teachers make more than other equal government jobs in the county. They do better than social workers, nurses, public health, etc. Plus most are on a 10 month pay vs. 12. And, better benefits. They also get better tuition benefits.

Yeah 9 credits…. capped at 1500 altogether. That barely covers anything. Everyone I know has always had to pay additional out of pocket. It’s absolutely a joke when you look at how much tuition actually is. Doubt you’re actually an MCPS employee if you actually think this is good because everyone I know, knows it’s a joke.

Teachers absolutely do not do better than nurses. MCPS tuition reimbursement is a joke even though the only way to get paid more is to take classes so you’re essentially buying your own raise. Do some actual research first, then complain.

How is tuition reimbursement a joke? They reimburse up to 9 credits a year. I've never had anything denied and got to +60 quickly and didn't cost me a thing.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Teachers marry tech workers because K-12 teaching is profession that suits people with a childcare personality and tech leans the opposite. Plus teachers tend to be underpaid for their education level so have more pressure match with high earners.

Teachers make more than other equal government jobs in the county. They do better than social workers, nurses, public health, etc. Plus most are on a 10 month pay vs. 12. And, better benefits. They also get better tuition benefits.

Teachers absolutely do not do better than nurses. MCPS tuition reimbursement is a joke even though the only way to get paid more is to take classes so you’re essentially buying your own raise. Do some actual research first, then complain.

How is tuition reimbursement a joke? They reimburse up to 9 credits a year. I've never had anything denied and got to +60 quickly and didn't cost me a thing.

9 credits sure…. Capped at 1500 bucks total. Barely covers anything. Everyone I know including myself always pays out of pocket.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Teachers marry tech workers because K-12 teaching is profession that suits people with a childcare personality and tech leans the opposite. Plus teachers tend to be underpaid for their education level so have more pressure match with high earners.

Teachers make more than other equal government jobs in the county. They do better than social workers, nurses, public health, etc. Plus most are on a 10 month pay vs. 12. And, better benefits. They also get better tuition benefits.

Teachers absolutely do not do better than nurses. MCPS tuition reimbursement is a joke even though the only way to get paid more is to take classes so you’re essentially buying your own raise. Do some actual research first, then complain.

How is tuition reimbursement a joke? They reimburse up to 9 credits a year. I've never had anything denied and got to +60 quickly and didn't cost me a thing.

9 credits sure…. Capped at 1500 bucks total. Barely covers anything. Everyone I know including myself always pays out of pocket.

Got it, thanks. I only used reimbursement for the +60, not for the masters.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Teachers marry tech workers because K-12 teaching is profession that suits people with a childcare personality and tech leans the opposite. Plus teachers tend to be underpaid for their education level so have more pressure match with high earners.

Teachers make more than other equal government jobs in the county. They do better than social workers, nurses, public health, etc. Plus most are on a 10 month pay vs. 12. And, better benefits. They also get better tuition benefits.

But it's still not enough for them to stick with it. I wonder why. Maybe someone should look around and ask teachers why they are leaving and what they could do about it.

Because the hours are completely inflexible. Running even 5 minutes late is extremely stressful. You can get cursed at by students and even parents on occasion. Remote work is not an option. Taking a day off is stressful because you have to put in for a sub and make sure you have plans ready. You are forced to sub for other teachers. The range of kids you have to teach can be staggering depending on where you teach. Special Ed. Requirements and paperwork are a big burden. To do your job well, you have to put in way more hours beyond the school day. It is also an emotionally taxing job

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:60k starting salary is nothing to sneeze at

Over time you still lose out because there aren't any promotions but that is a very generous starting salary.

In most industries employees get pay increases based on the subjective assessments of their supervisors, but teachers' unions don't want that.

I work in tech. I get quarterly raises that have nothing to do with "subjective assessments" or even merit. The outrage people in other industries give teachers is so pathetic.

My spouse works in tech too. There are no raises and you have to job jump for more money.

Because your spouse works in tech, their experience is the end all? You're the authority on every tech job ever? Wow! I had no idea I was in the presence of such genius! DP, but I also work in tech. My own firsthand experience is yes, we get raises throughout the year AND we also job jump. Imagine that. Someone else with a different experience than you. Hard to imagine with such a narrow world view but try.

Saying you work tech and that it is normal to get regular raises means nothing. My spouse had had multiple jobs and none gave raises like that. That's great you get that but it’s not normal.

I mean, hi. DP here in tech. Raises are absolutely the norm. Don’t know what to tell ya. You telling us your spouse doesn’t get raises means nothing too. It’s irrelevant to this thread but you might want to have a chat with them because what they are telling you isn’t true.

No they are not the norm and my spouse has had multiple jobs. In some jobs, the salary goes up and down every year due to RSU's. I know they are telling me the truth as I manage the money and do the taxes.

A simple Google search about tech job raises would do you wonders. "In 2021, the median salary for IT pros at large enterprises was $100,022, and $95,681 for those at mid-sized firms. In 2022, however, merit increases for IT pros lept to 5.61%, with the median salary for all IT professionals rising from $95,845 to $101,323. The median salary for an IT executive rose to $180,000." Followed by article after article about tech raises. But sure, you keep doing your spouses finances and using that to claim to be an expert. Sounds like your spouse might not be good at their job. Ever think of that?

The real point is, teachers' wages don't match their education. Most teachers have one or two masters and make under $100k and this is considered normal. It's an insult.

Alright, let's settle down.

To review, someone made the point that there are "no promotions" for teachers. I made the point that in other sectors where there are promotions, it's based on the subjective decision of a supervisor. It's often not totally "fair". Teachers' unions have explicitly opposed merit-based raises. Well, you can't have it both ways. You can't expect to be paid what you're worth, and also expect not to have your pay based on your performance.