Gen Z doesn't seem to care about career advancement??
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This happens in most finance jobs. It's to check for conflicts of interest. It's also to prevent employees from working as consultants on the side using up the knowledge & resources supplied by the company to earn money outside of the company. |
Anonymous
I am Gen x. My first kid was born in 2011. Not Gen z. Still in elementary. |
Anonymous
Two of my gen z employees getting married this summer. |
Anonymous
The rich are rich duh |
Anonymous
I'm no lawyer but I'm pretty sure collecting two paychecks for working the same hours is called "fraud" and there's certainly a law against that. |
Anonymous
Exempt employees are not hourly so no. Lawyers double bill all the time. |
Anonymous
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They're living on their own terms bc the ones in the workforce are ages 22-26 right now. They aren't in their lifetime jobs or even their lifetime careers. They are doing whatever they're doing for 2 years or whatever and then will move onto the next gig or business school or law school or whatever (though I do see less eagerness to take on more debt for more schooling so maybe not but they'll job hop).
So of course while they're young and single and living amongst friends they want to have time to hang out at the breweries or live music concerts or take road trips or whatever and they realize that an extra 10k in pay or whatever to keep them chained to their desk/work phone is not worth it. Frankly with this gen if they want an extra 10-20k, they'll cook up some nothing social media account that they'll work on on their own time with their own flexibility. And like with all generations of course this will change. They'll get older. They'll want "security." Most will have kids - whether they say they want them today or not. Most will own some kind of home or apartment and thus have a mortgage. Most will want to retire. The forces that drive each gen aren't different - they just haven't kicked in yet for a gen that is under age 26. |
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I'm Gen Z. Honestly, we learned from the errors of our parents and the ways they were misguided.
A job is a job. One job isn't more important than others. We saw this reflected most recently during the pandemic when those deemed essential workers were the ones who kept society chugging along (grocery workers, retail/pharmacy workers, truck drivers, warehouse distribution workers, etc.). The jobs that most people on here turn their noses up at and bicker about who and how much they should tip those workers. My parents are big on having a good career, however in their eyes, a career = white collar and prestigious. That's not the definition of a career. A career is an occupation undertaken for a significant period of a person's life. Someone who works at Harris Teeter for 25 years has a career the same as a partner at a law firm. My sibling is a bartender who made over $90k last year. My parents do not view my sibling's job as a career even though he has been doing it for over 15 years. Even though he supports himself by doing it. Even though he is able to afford his mortgage. Even though he's able to support his wife and daughter. They constantly say things such as "you're almost 40, when are you going to get a career and a good job?" 
The job ends when it's quitting time. This is something my parents never seemed to grasp. I know many of my friend's parents didn't follow this either from what I saw when at their homes. I can remember so many evenings spent watching TV while my parents worked away on their laptops on the couch. Or watching my dad pace the sideline on a work call at my games. Or running into Giant at 7 am before school with my mom to buy brownies or cookies for an event at school because she didn't have time to bake them because she had to work from home. If I'm not getting compensated for working after quitting time, I'm not doing it. Company loyalty = talking points for hiring you and keeping up employee morale and nothing more. We all need to stop lying about loyalty when it comes to jobs. Being loyal to one company doesn't make you special or keep you safe. I saw this twice with my mom. She worked for 15 years at one company before she was let go because her department was outsourced to another country. She found a new job and worked there for 10 years and the same thing happened again. If you live in a right to work state, there is no company loyalty. Just because I have been working at your company for 5 years, it doesn't mean I owe you anything if a similar position comes along that offers me only $5k more. If you can't match that measly offer, peace. Job hopping = good. I'm 24 and I have job hopped 4 times in 2 years. I've also gone from $62k to $69k to $76k to $83k. When I see a job advertised for more than my salary and in the same field, I immediately apply. I'm good friends with a guy who started at the same time as I did at my first job and almost 2.5 years later, he's not yet making much over $64k. I encourage him to leave all the time and send him positions to apply to but he's a bit older (I think Gen X) and enamored with the name appeal of working for that company. College = great but not worth the debt. I went to NOVA for 2 years and then transferred to VCU. I was able to work and pay for my NOVA classes and didn't need to touch the small college fund that my parents and grandparents had contributed to (under $15k). I graduated college with very little student loan debt. My colleagues and I were discussing student loan debt and what we think will happen (ever be canceled, is the pause really ending soon, etc) and the amount of debt most of my Gen X coworkers have is staggering. |
Anonymous
Double billing is also illegal:
https://www.upcounsel.com/lectl-the-billing-abuses-of-lawyers |
Anonymous
NP. Most GenZ have GenX parents. |
Anonymous
Gen Z is born 1996-2011 (or by some definitions 2014). |
Anonymous
It's only fraud if it's specifically stated in the contract/hiring paperwork they signed that employees may not work concurrent jobs. Check the paperwork you signed and I bet 99% will find that's not how it is laid out. I was on the jury for a case exactly like this in 2022. The employee was caught working two remote jobs at the same time and fired from the job he considered his "main" employment. His side argued the wording in the hiring documents he signed did not specify concurrent employment was against company policy. We sided with the fired employee and awarded him the salary he would have been paid until the point of the case conclusion. I checked my old hiring paperwork and mine simply states that employees may not work additional jobs that conflict with their primary duties. That is the similar wording that his paperwork had. The other side failed to prove that his additional job conflicted with his primary job. The other side had proof that it had not conflicted - they had glowing reviews, email praise from higher ups on a job well done on several projects that were delivered early, and raises. |
Anonymous
| I don't understand why older generations get so upset with the younger generations not treating their job like their whole life's purpose. |
Anonymous
I think Gen Z thinks that’s what they’re doing. Like they found some secret sauce. But the shortcut doesn’t exist. You can leave early and put up boundaries but really…..you just aren’t that important yet. As you continue your career, you’ll see that the people who put in all the work will pull ahead. People made the same lazy stereotype to Gen Y. Oh, and Gen X is called that because they were seen as aimless. People forget it wasn’t just some end of the alphabet naming convention. There are certainly Gen Z people who are not pushing back. They will get ahead like their older counterparts. I’m the Xennial that does not want to be a manager. I’m 43 and I’m now at a good spot, but I definitely turned down opportunities to be more important at work. There are people in every generation who fit that description. Other people worked harder, some worked less so. Some worked less hard and got lucky or were well liked or kissed ass or made a particularly insightful choice. It happens. It will happen to everyone. |
Anonymous
Companies do not give contracts. It is at will employment. My job does not prohibit outside employment except it it interferes work. I do have to disclose conflicts of interest. In fact most people caught just get let go, HR not allowed to contact other employer in most cases. I kinda got caught. I think. Only cause I would be on line but hard to adjust for unexpected last minute meetings. My boss constantly changed meetings some times 3-4 times in same day. He would not check my calendar. I suspect they might know only cause I never got cobra paperwork, any info filing unemployment, no PIP, I even got a raise four weeks earlier. They still paid me 8 weeks severance. It is not illegal, but a company has right to let you go. Big deal. I saw today two ex employees at my old company just updated LinkedIn profile new job with a 3-7 month backdating. 80 percent remote workers have a second job. And Gen Z grew up this way. |