Why do people try to deny systemic racism by saying that “dirt poor POC immigrants succeed”?

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Anonymous wrote:I’m frankly tired of hearing this.

In 2023, legal immigrants coming to the U.S. to work full-time jobs are a selected bunch, not a random sample. If you’re coming here, especially with your family in tow, from India, Ghana, Kenya, Ethiopia, Uganda, the Philippines and many other countries, there’s a 95% chance you are college-educated, debt-free already in your home country coming here for a funded PhD program or medical residency that you were already accepted into, or a programmer job at a FAANG. If you aren’t already college-educated, you’re coming here as a full-pay international student who had to prove that you had thousands in your bank account in order to get a student visa. While in your home country, you had to pay immigration lawyers & navigate that bureaucracy. Then, you had to pay $1K+ for a flight & to arrange housing. You’re upper middle class or wealthy in your home country.

If you’re coming here undocumented, you had the willpower to pay for a spot on a boat, smugglers and to walk over a hundred miles.

If you’re a Black immigrant coming from, say, Ghana, you haven’t been “othered” your whole life due to your race. And many undocumented immigrants coming from Central America are white.

Saying “immigrants do great, so why can’t natives?” is like saying “private schools do great, why can’t public schools?” because private schools pick & choose their students, just like countries pick & choose immigrants.

Most natives on the lower economic threshold lack the drive. They would not move 200 miles to better their position never mind 2,000. It is all possible here for anyone with drive except AA. The level of discrimination that starts at pediatric care and runs through school is extreme (and I am a conservative republican).

Please explain more what you mean by this. Move 2,000 miles to where? I'm not black. I'm white. Blacks did move on their own. They moved from to Los Angeles, Detroit, New York, Chicago, Kansas City, Tulsa.

DP - so I'm not sure all of what the original PP was getting at, but the Great Migration was, what? 70 years ago?

Slavery ended 150+ years ago, but people believe it still impacts black people today.

You conveniently forgot about segregation, redlining, police discrimination, oh and discrimination based on housing, hair, clothing & speaking.

Except you conveniently forgot that black families living through those discriminatory practices were more functional; more couples married and having kids in wedlock; a solid black middle class. etc. These practices do not excuse the dysfunction that now causes most of the "inequities".

Exactly. Plus, it’s well documented Black Americans also owned slaves, and most slaves were sold to slave traders by rival African tribes who captured them.

Spoken like a true white/white-adjacent supremacist.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The more you think of yourself as a victim, the more likely it will be true and you will be a loser. Everyone faces their own unique advantages and disadvantages in life. Get over it and focus on what you can do to change your circumstances. The victim mentality will get no one ahead and lead this country to destruction. Is this country perfect? No. But it's pretty much better than any country since the start of history in terms of giving opportunities based on merit, so please, shut up.

+1000

Preach. This country offers more opportunities than any other. Stop whining, and get at it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The more you think of yourself as a victim, the more likely it will be true and you will be a loser. Everyone faces their own unique advantages and disadvantages in life. Get over it and focus on what you can do to change your circumstances. The victim mentality will get no one ahead and lead this country to destruction. Is this country perfect? No. But it's pretty much better than any country since the start of history in terms of giving opportunities based on merit, so please, shut up.

+1000

Preach. This country offers more opportunities than any other. Stop whining, and get at it.

Where would the wealthy in the DMV be without the government dole of "contractors"? LoL.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The more you think of yourself as a victim, the more likely it will be true and you will be a loser. Everyone faces their own unique advantages and disadvantages in life. Get over it and focus on what you can do to change your circumstances. The victim mentality will get no one ahead and lead this country to destruction. Is this country perfect? No. But it's pretty much better than any country since the start of history in terms of giving opportunities based on merit, so please, shut up.

+1000

Preach. This country offers more opportunities than any other. Stop whining, and get at it.

Actually, Australia does: https://amp.smh.com.au/politics/federal/move-over-america-australia-s-been-crowned-the-land-of-opportunity-20230112-p5cc4n.html

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The more you think of yourself as a victim, the more likely it will be true and you will be a loser. Everyone faces their own unique advantages and disadvantages in life. Get over it and focus on what you can do to change your circumstances. The victim mentality will get no one ahead and lead this country to destruction. Is this country perfect? No. But it's pretty much better than any country since the start of history in terms of giving opportunities based on merit, so please, shut up.

+1000

Preach. This country offers more opportunities than any other. Stop whining, and get at it.

It is almost as if you could break this down along political lines: which party is the party of victimhood, “-ism” and reparations? And which party represents personal responsibility??

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m frankly tired of hearing this.

In 2023, legal immigrants coming to the U.S. to work full-time jobs are a selected bunch, not a random sample. If you’re coming here, especially with your family in tow, from India, Ghana, Kenya, Ethiopia, Uganda, the Philippines and many other countries, there’s a 95% chance you are college-educated, debt-free already in your home country coming here for a funded PhD program or medical residency that you were already accepted into, or a programmer job at a FAANG. If you aren’t already college-educated, you’re coming here as a full-pay international student who had to prove that you had thousands in your bank account in order to get a student visa. While in your home country, you had to pay immigration lawyers & navigate that bureaucracy. Then, you had to pay $1K+ for a flight & to arrange housing. You’re upper middle class or wealthy in your home country.

If you’re coming here undocumented, you had the willpower to pay for a spot on a boat, smugglers and to walk over a hundred miles.

If you’re a Black immigrant coming from, say, Ghana, you haven’t been “othered” your whole life due to your race. And many undocumented immigrants coming from Central America are white.

Saying “immigrants do great, so why can’t natives?” is like saying “private schools do great, why can’t public schools?” because private schools pick & choose their students, just like countries pick & choose immigrants.

Most natives on the lower economic threshold lack the drive. They would not move 200 miles to better their position never mind 2,000. It is all possible here for anyone with drive except AA. The level of discrimination that starts at pediatric care and runs through school is extreme (and I am a conservative republican).

Please explain more what you mean by this. Move 2,000 miles to where? I'm not black. I'm white. Blacks did move on their own. They moved from to Los Angeles, Detroit, New York, Chicago, Kansas City, Tulsa.

DP - so I'm not sure all of what the original PP was getting at, but the Great Migration was, what? 70 years ago?

Slavery ended 150+ years ago, but people believe it still impacts black people today.

You conveniently forgot about segregation, redlining, police discrimination, oh and discrimination based on housing, hair, clothing & speaking.

Except you conveniently forgot that black families living through those discriminatory practices were more functional; more couples married and having kids in wedlock; a solid black middle class. etc. These practices do not excuse the dysfunction that now causes most of the "inequities".

Exactly. Plus, it’s well documented Black Americans also owned slaves, and most slaves were sold to slave traders by rival African tribes who captured them.

Spoken like a true white/white-adjacent supremacist.

Are you denying the truth of this statement? It is factual.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The more you think of yourself as a victim, the more likely it will be true and you will be a loser. Everyone faces their own unique advantages and disadvantages in life. Get over it and focus on what you can do to change your circumstances. The victim mentality will get no one ahead and lead this country to destruction. Is this country perfect? No. But it's pretty much better than any country since the start of history in terms of giving opportunities based on merit, so please, shut up.

+1000

Preach. This country offers more opportunities than any other. Stop whining, and get at it.

I think in a nutshell, the "systematic racism" chant is wearing thin at this point. People are worried about daily living costs, keeping their job and trying to stay afloat. I could care less about anyone who claims victimization, just am sick of hearing it while I get up and go to work every single day and hustle to support my family and to pay my taxes.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The more you think of yourself as a victim, the more likely it will be true and you will be a loser. Everyone faces their own unique advantages and disadvantages in life. Get over it and focus on what you can do to change your circumstances. The victim mentality will get no one ahead and lead this country to destruction. Is this country perfect? No. But it's pretty much better than any country since the start of history in terms of giving opportunities based on merit, so please, shut up.

+1000

Preach. This country offers more opportunities than any other. Stop whining, and get at it.

It is almost as if you could break this down along political lines: which party is the party of victimhood, “-ism” and reparations? And which party represents personal responsibility??

Lololol. Definitely not the ones who are super triggered by seeing a rainbow beer can, and who want to ban books that contain ideas they don’t like, and who whine about “cancel culture” every time they face consequences of their actions.

Maybe at one time in history the Republicans stood for personal responsibility but those days are long, long gone. Now it’s a party of grievance and victimhood, living in terror of dangerous libs/brown people who will steal their guns and force their kids to get gay-married. Sad and gross.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m frankly tired of hearing this.

In 2023, legal immigrants coming to the U.S. to work full-time jobs are a selected bunch, not a random sample. If you’re coming here, especially with your family in tow, from India, Ghana, Kenya, Ethiopia, Uganda, the Philippines and many other countries, there’s a 95% chance you are college-educated, debt-free already in your home country coming here for a funded PhD program or medical residency that you were already accepted into, or a programmer job at a FAANG. If you aren’t already college-educated, you’re coming here as a full-pay international student who had to prove that you had thousands in your bank account in order to get a student visa. While in your home country, you had to pay immigration lawyers & navigate that bureaucracy. Then, you had to pay $1K+ for a flight & to arrange housing. You’re upper middle class or wealthy in your home country.

If you’re coming here undocumented, you had the willpower to pay for a spot on a boat, smugglers and to walk over a hundred miles.

If you’re a Black immigrant coming from, say, Ghana, you haven’t been “othered” your whole life due to your race. And many undocumented immigrants coming from Central America are white.

Saying “immigrants do great, so why can’t natives?” is like saying “private schools do great, why can’t public schools?” because private schools pick & choose their students, just like countries pick & choose immigrants.

Most natives on the lower economic threshold lack the drive. They would not move 200 miles to better their position never mind 2,000. It is all possible here for anyone with drive except AA. The level of discrimination that starts at pediatric care and runs through school is extreme (and I am a conservative republican).

Please explain more what you mean by this. Move 2,000 miles to where? I'm not black. I'm white. Blacks did move on their own. They moved from to Los Angeles, Detroit, New York, Chicago, Kansas City, Tulsa.

DP - so I'm not sure all of what the original PP was getting at, but the Great Migration was, what? 70 years ago?

Slavery ended 150+ years ago, but people believe it still impacts black people today.

You conveniently forgot about segregation, redlining, police discrimination, oh and discrimination based on housing, hair, clothing & speaking.

Except you conveniently forgot that black families living through those discriminatory practices were more functional; more couples married and having kids in wedlock; a solid black middle class. etc. These practices do not excuse the dysfunction that now causes most of the "inequities".

Exactly. Plus, it’s well documented Black Americans also owned slaves, and most slaves were sold to slave traders by rival African tribes who captured them.

Spoken like a true white/white-adjacent supremacist.

Are you denying the truth of this statement? It is factual.

But it's not material to anything being discussed in this thread. The fact that you think it is relevant to the discussion is what makes it clear you're a racist.