Why do people try to deny systemic racism by saying that “dirt poor POC immigrants succeed”?

[Anonymous]

seriously OP - you really have no clue. My dad came here with $600 in his pocket in the 70s and the clothes on his back. Thats it. He was an orphan from a wartorn country with a funny name, a funny accent and dark skin. He has worked like a dog his whole life and now owns a home in southern california, has two successful college educated (first in his family) kids and is truly a success story.

If he can make it just about anyone can in this country. i firmly believe that. i also believe that there is systemic racism on many levels - but also sooooo many folks offering a hand to lift up the disadvantaged minorities that it seems surprising so many dont take advantage

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This thread is about in 2023 not someone’s parents or grandparents. Ellis Island is closed.

Well that doesn't make sense. No one who arrived poorly resourced is doing well YET. It takes years, sometimes even a generation or two. That was the case for the Ellis Island (and Angel Island) immigrants too.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:seriously OP - you really have no clue. My dad came here with $600 in his pocket in the 70s and the clothes on his back. Thats it. He was an orphan from a wartorn country with a funny name, a funny accent and dark skin. He has worked like a dog his whole life and now owns a home in southern california, has two successful college educated (first in his family) kids and is truly a success story.

If he can make it just about anyone can in this country. i firmly believe that. i also believe that there is systemic racism on many levels - but also sooooo many folks offering a hand to lift up the disadvantaged minorities that it seems surprising so many dont take advantage

We’re talking about in 2023, not the 70s. And like you said, your parent was highly-motivated. There was self-selection at play.

[Anonymous]

It’s like when people try to compare charter schools & private schools to the local public school & say that the former is succeeding and the latter are failing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

If you’re coming here, especially with your family in tow, from India, Ghana, Kenya, Ethiopia, Uganda, the Philippines and many other countries, there’s a 95% chance you are college-educated, debt-free already in your home country coming here for a funded PhD program or medical residency that you were already accepted into, or a programmer job at a FAANG

WTF? How many immigrants do you know?

-signed an immigrant who knows very very very very few like the ones you mentioned.

My own parents are uneducated, ES/MS level education from their home country.

Stop spouting stupid shlt you know nothing of. You live in a bubble surrounded by educated people. Chances are you don't know the struggling immigrants who manage to eek out a living, and their kids end up in state univ and go on to make good money. That is the VAST majority of immigrants, not the ones you describe.

Dumba$$ post.

So they came here 30+ years ago. Nobody with an ES level education is being allowed in today 99% of the time.

of course they are.. family connections.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A LOT of minority immigrants were closer to aristocrats back home than day laborers. A lot.

WUT? How many immigrants do you know vs how many immigrants come in every year?

This is one of the dumbest thread.

+1

People really are ignorant and stupid.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This thread is about in 2023 not someone’s parents or grandparents. Ellis Island is closed.

That is also because worldwide, more people are also getting educated.

When my parents left their home country, only the top 1% went to college. Today, about 50% of the country is college educated.

If you want to look at today's immigrant data, you also have to look the global data.

Data analysis is important.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I’m frankly tired of hearing this.

In 2023, legal immigrants coming to the U.S. to work full-time jobs are a selected bunch, not a random sample. If you’re coming here, especially with your family in tow, from India, Ghana, Kenya, Ethiopia, Uganda, the Philippines and many other countries, there’s a 95% chance you are college-educated, debt-free already in your home country coming here for a funded PhD program or medical residency that you were already accepted into, or a programmer job at a FAANG. If you aren’t already college-educated, you’re coming here as a full-pay international student who had to prove that you had thousands in your bank account in order to get a student visa. While in your home country, you had to pay immigration lawyers & navigate that bureaucracy. Then, you had to pay $1K+ for a flight & to arrange housing. You’re upper middle class or wealthy in your home country.

If you’re coming here undocumented, you had the willpower to pay for a spot on a boat, smugglers and to walk over a hundred miles.

If you’re a Black immigrant coming from, say, Ghana, you haven’t been “othered” your whole life due to your race. And many undocumented immigrants coming from Central America are white.

Saying “immigrants do great, so why can’t natives?” is like saying “private schools do great, why can’t public schools?” because private schools pick & choose their students, just like countries pick & choose immigrants.

Why? Because cognitive dissonance. They internalize these conversations and take them as personal attacks on their character.

[Anonymous]

I was willing to take a pay cut if :

1. the job was really interesting
2. great benefits, more PTO, flexible hours, etc..
3. less stress

Other than that.. nah.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I was willing to take a pay cut if :

1. the job was really interesting
2. great benefits, more PTO, flexible hours, etc..
3. less stress

Other than that.. nah.

doh.. wrong thread.. sorry

[Anonymous]

Some of it's just racism or ignorance. But I think it's partly because discussions of systemic racism tend to lack nuance. Yeah, the system is tilted against people in certain demographics. But ALSO a lot of people in those demographics shoot themselves in the foot in various avoidable ways.

They aren't the only ones who shoot themselves in the foot. But the people outside of that demographic just have to deal with the consequences of those bad choices, and nobody is making excuses for them.

There are lots of people in disfavored demographics that succeed and lots of people in favored demographics that fail; meaning that systemic racism is only part of any given story. Maybe nobody is denying that it's only part of the story, but the other parts of the story tend to get ignored in these discussions.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Because they do succeed. It is not uncommon in Florida or Texas for first gen immigrants who crossed the Rio Grande to own a brick ranch house and several vehicles 10-15 years later.

The immigrants strive for the American dream and don't have the "gotta get mine" from the govt that keeps you down.

Come on over to Wicomico County Md. The Haitians and Hispanics own the local businesses. They were not living in Maryland 10-15 years ago.

This.

Heck, look at all the immigrants who are able to support themselves and buy homes in Montgomery County where the cost of living is exorbitant. They bust their butts working for others, starting a business, and making it work. And they do this without the benefit of a fancy education.

And they deal with racism like everyone else.

[Anonymous]

Some people get off on punching down.

[Anonymous]

It’s pure luck. Luck and circumstance/connections. There are more people with businesses that fail (including Caucasian). Those stories are simply not told as loudly. Like anything with success it’s about connections and luck. If you find the right people to support you, to invest in you, to save money to not lose everything, you can succeed at a lot. If anywhere in your process you stumble financially and cannot recover, it takes a larger toll.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:A LOT of minority immigrants were closer to aristocrats back home than day laborers. A lot.

You're a racist clueless pos.

Share your dumb post with your cleaning lady if you dare.