How many of you are truly pro-choice?

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Anonymous wrote:I am pro-legal abortion. I am pro-choice in cases where there is a medical reason for aborting or involves rape/incest. But I think abortion is morally wrong when used as a form of birth control.

But those are MY moral values and I am not the one having an abortion.

Please stop with the Right wing talking points. Yes, I do agree there are a handful of women who have had many abortions but they are very, very rare. For one thing, abortion is EXPENSIVE! Your not so subtle dog-whistle that infers Black sluts have aBortTion oN DeManD is telling.

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Me- I think there should be no limits. I also think that we should have extremely explicit and scientific-evidence-based sex education- developmentally appropriate- in schools. I think all forms of BC should be covered 100% including vasectomies and tubal ligations. The pill being OTC and AFFORDABLE is wonderful. The morning-after pill is almost $100 for women over 140lbs as the efficacy of the morning-after pill decreases with higher weights. It is ridiculous.

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Anonymous wrote:I would have some concerns about adoption but ultimately it would be her choice.

Actually, many adoptions these days are open. The birth grandparents still get to stay in contact sometimes.

And why I would hope DC would not consider adoption. The adoptive parents are the ones with the least rights in these situations, which is not ok. And before you jump on me for this opinion, which I don't really care anyway, one of my parents was adopted so I saw this up close and personal.

open adoptions are only as open as the Adoptive parents allow. If they want to cut off contact there's nothing the grandparents or first parents can do.

not true. new york passed a low making it mandatory. also more states are passing laws requiring adoptive parents abide by the law.

google it.

Correct (I'm the first PP in this back and forth) and why I would not be in favor of adoption.

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If someone is having an abortion, they are actually keeping you from having to pay for their hookup mistakes for 18 years

It is cost effective

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Anonymous wrote:At 17 I would probably try to guide my child to have an abortion, depending on how far along she was.

At 23 I would support whatever choice she wanted, assuming she doesn’t have a problems with substance abuse that would impact the pregnancy.

Same here. I guess that doesn't make me 100% pro-choice since I wouldn't exactly want my 17 year old DD to have a choice other than to have an abortion.

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Anonymous wrote:At 17 I would probably try to guide my child to have an abortion, depending on how far along she was.

At 23 I would support whatever choice she wanted, assuming she doesn’t have a problems with substance abuse that would impact the pregnancy.

Same here. I guess that doesn't make me 100% pro-choice since I wouldn't exactly want my 17 year old DD to have a choice other than to have an abortion.

Under 18, we 100% get a say…and probably veto power

If I have to pay for said choice for 18 years, it isn’t actually my child’s choice

This is the absolute truth.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m in the “babies are expensive” camp

I’m not raising my grandchildren unless absolutely necessary.

I’ve watched my husband’s family deal with the consequences of these decisions and I am NOT going to have my grown children bringing kids into my home to live pet a do until they are 18. No way.

I will encourage abortion and make clear to my children that are still not financially independent that we cannot care for or pay for babies they bring into this world. It is their responsibility to do so.

So, would that mean shuffling your daughter and grandchild out of the house? If you saved for her college tuition, is that withheld only if and until she goes to college?

DP but do you not know how college savings accounts work? Hint: they can be used only for education purposes.

Hint: not everyone uses a college savings account to save for college tuition.

Well you didn’t specify.

And anyway, of course money saved for college should be used for that purpose. What kind of odd question is that? Especially important if someone becomes a parent at an extremely young age - this is one of the biggest factors in women experiencing poverty, having children too young and therefore not going to college or dropping out of college. Making sure a young mother gets through college can elevate a family’s economic situation. Doesn’t everyone realize this? The younger a woman is when she becomes a mother, the more negatively it affects her lifetime earnings.

*should do* is different. The poster upthread suggested that they were pro-choice but would only support her daughter getting an abortion. Keep up.

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Anonymous wrote:At 17 I would probably try to guide my child to have an abortion, depending on how far along she was.

At 23 I would support whatever choice she wanted, assuming she doesn’t have a problems with substance abuse that would impact the pregnancy.

Same here. I guess that doesn't make me 100% pro-choice since I wouldn't exactly want my 17 year old DD to have a choice other than to have an abortion.

And this is the distinction that I believe OP is trying to get people to recognize. There is: anti-abortion (anti-choice type 1), prochoice, and pro-abortion (anti-choice type 2).

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Anonymous wrote:At 17 I would probably try to guide my child to have an abortion, depending on how far along she was.

At 23 I would support whatever choice she wanted, assuming she doesn’t have a problems with substance abuse that would impact the pregnancy.

Same here. I guess that doesn't make me 100% pro-choice since I wouldn't exactly want my 17 year old DD to have a choice other than to have an abortion.

Under 18, we 100% get a say…and probably veto power

If I have to pay for said choice for 18 years, it isn’t actually my child’s choice

This is the absolute truth.

You think you have a say, but legally you absolutely don't. Do you think any doctor will prescribe a morning after pill or preform an abortion on a 17 year old who is adamant that they don't want the procedure?

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Anonymous wrote:At 17 I would probably try to guide my child to have an abortion, depending on how far along she was.

At 23 I would support whatever choice she wanted, assuming she doesn’t have a problems with substance abuse that would impact the pregnancy.

Same here. I guess that doesn't make me 100% pro-choice since I wouldn't exactly want my 17 year old DD to have a choice other than to have an abortion.

And this is the distinction that I believe OP is trying to get people to recognize. There is: anti-abortion (anti-choice type 1), prochoice, and pro-abortion (anti-choice type 2).

OP’s question is stupid and shouldn’t be in the political forum. Exactly how you respond to situations within your own family is going to be different than voting to allow all other Americans to make those same choices within their own families.

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Anonymous wrote:Meaning if your 17 or 23 year old daughter got pregnant, you’d emotionally support her 100% whether she decides to have and raise the kid, abort or give the kid up for adoption?

At 17: would strongly urge to abort. 17-year olds are incapable of raising children independently.

At 23: up to her, and I hope there is a marriage candidate in the picture. If not, still up to her.

In general, we try to strongly impress upon our children that babies should come only after marriage.

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Anonymous wrote:At 17 I would probably try to guide my child to have an abortion, depending on how far along she was.

At 23 I would support whatever choice she wanted, assuming she doesn’t have a problems with substance abuse that would impact the pregnancy.

Same here. I guess that doesn't make me 100% pro-choice since I wouldn't exactly want my 17 year old DD to have a choice other than to have an abortion.

And this is the distinction that I believe OP is trying to get people to recognize. There is: anti-abortion (anti-choice type 1), prochoice, and pro-abortion (anti-choice type 2).

I don't think this is accurate.

You are pro-choice if you wouldn't force anyone to do as you wish.

But you can definitely very strongly disapprove of one of the choices. You wouldn't force your daughter to abort OR to keep the baby, but you can make your strong disapproval of one of these choices known. That doesn't make you antichoice.

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Anonymous wrote:At 17 I would probably try to guide my child to have an abortion, depending on how far along she was.

At 23 I would support whatever choice she wanted, assuming she doesn’t have a problems with substance abuse that would impact the pregnancy.

Same here. I guess that doesn't make me 100% pro-choice since I wouldn't exactly want my 17 year old DD to have a choice other than to have an abortion.

And this is the distinction that I believe OP is trying to get people to recognize. There is: anti-abortion (anti-choice type 1), prochoice, and pro-abortion (anti-choice type 2).

I don't think this is accurate.

You are pro-choice if you wouldn't force anyone to do as you wish.

But you can definitely very strongly disapprove of one of the choices. You wouldn't force your daughter to abort OR to keep the baby, but you can make your strong disapproval of one of these choices known. That doesn't make you antichoice.

DP. Right, I think most of understand what OP is trying to prove, it's just that the point is nonsense. Pro-choice, as a term, refers to your position on whether abortion should be legal (and who should get to make the ultimate decision), not whether or not you'd ever have an opinion on what choice other people make. People can be pro-choice and have opinions (for or against) individual abortions, because "choice" is about what's compelled by law now what people might prefer.

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Anonymous wrote:How is this even a question? 1000% support my daughter to choose what she does with her body. And no, it’s not a BaBy! At 20 weeks a clump of cells the size of a golfball. If she needed later, I would trust what her doctor said. So unAmerican to be against a woman’s right to control her own destiny.

20 weeks? I only ever knew of one personally that had no knowledge at 16 weeks plus they were pregnant. Obese. I'm pro choice and the decision needs to be made far earlier than 20 weeks. VA had some weird proposed legislation that with a 1 doctor sign off could have allowed a fulll term healthy to be deemed a product. Yes that's ghoulish.

I have no idea if a DD or partner of a DS ever had one. If so it would have been before anyone familiar with them would have thought are they pregnant.

Great, it’s clear you have no knowledge of pregnancy and the wide variety of circumstances under which people don’t know they’re pregnant until later, know but can’t get an abortion until later (even more common now due to 6 week bans) or son’t find out about serious fetal anomaly until after 20 weeks.

A pro-life family member did not find out about her baby’s fetal anencephalic development (i.e. without brain) until the 8th month. Yes, she had an abortion around 30 weeks. I fully supported her family’s decision. Because of her decision, she subsequently went on to have 3 more children.

But, sure, let’s make public policy for everyone based on your ignorance of reproductive health and your narrow world of the experience of you and your friend’s pregnancies.

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Anonymous wrote:At 17 I would probably try to guide my child to have an abortion, depending on how far along she was.

At 23 I would support whatever choice she wanted, assuming she doesn’t have a problems with substance abuse that would impact the pregnancy.

Same here. I guess that doesn't make me 100% pro-choice since I wouldn't exactly want my 17 year old DD to have a choice other than to have an abortion.

Under 18, we 100% get a say…and probably veto power

If I have to pay for said choice for 18 years, it isn’t actually my child’s choice

This is the absolute truth.

+1. You will not be able to force any child to have an abortion. As a parent, if you live in a state with parental consent, you may be able to prevent your DC from getting an abortion.

Not sure why you think you will have to “pay for said choice for 18 years”.

The 18 yo mother and father are legally and financially responsible for your grandchild.

You think you have a say, but legally you absolutely don't. Do you think any doctor will prescribe a morning after pill or preform an abortion on a 17 year old who is adamant that they don't want the procedure?