How many of you are truly pro-choice?

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Anonymous wrote:At 17 I would probably try to guide my child to have an abortion, depending on how far along she was.

At 23 I would support whatever choice she wanted, assuming she doesn’t have a problems with substance abuse that would impact the pregnancy.

Same here. I guess that doesn't make me 100% pro-choice since I wouldn't exactly want my 17 year old DD to have a choice other than to have an abortion.

Under 18, we 100% get a say…and probably veto power

If I have to pay for said choice for 18 years, it isn’t actually my child’s choice

This is the absolute truth.

+1. You will not be able to force any child to have an abortion. As a parent, if you live in a state with parental consent, you may be able to prevent your DC from getting an abortion.

Not sure why you think you will have to “pay for said choice for 18 years”.

The 18 yo mother and father are legally and financially responsible for your grandchild.

You think you have a say, but legally you absolutely don't. Do you think any doctor will prescribe a morning after pill or preform an abortion on a 17 year old who is adamant that they don't want the procedure?

ok, but if she doesn't, I am not planning to pay to raise the child. I will present teen who is still financially dependent on us with the financial options.

She can choose to go forward, but it will be without our financial help.

You legally cannot stop caring financially for your child. At least until age 18, and they have graduated from high school. You can be charged with various crimes for refusing to provide your minor child with adequate food, clothing, shelter, medical care, and educational support.

I am amazed the hhi sjws posting here don’t know that.

Pregnancy is emancipating.

It's a ground for emancipation. Are you going to take your pregnant kid to court in order to no longer provide for them?

pp seems particularly unhappy to have to imagine a world where they might have to part with their precious money to support their own daughter and grandchild in the event of an unexpected pregnancy.

I wonder if the same group here complaining about the costs of supporting their own child and grandchild object to the millions American taxpayers must pay for people who enter America and get free ob-gyn care, pre-natal care, WIC, food stamps, housing assistance? Are they more worthy of that money than your own child and grandchild?

And how about those people who object to abortions and free contraception and then complain about having taxes go to support “welfare queens” and their children?

Start your own thread.

pp and many others posting on this thread don’t think they should have to financially contribute to the wellbeing of their own daughter and grandchild. Ask them how they feel about paying taxes for strangers and their kids?

Goodness someone is touchy. Aren’t we having a discussion about what you see as hypocrisy? People who want to ban abortion and then complain about paying for babies in poverty are certainly hypocrites.

As for me, I hope my taxes go to helping fellow human beings.

meanwhile a pp is ready to take their own pregnant daughter to court to abandon her while pregnant with their grandchild

the babies aborted are definitely human beings, too.

Clearly you never learned science moron

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Anonymous wrote:How is this even a question? 1000% support my daughter to choose what she does with her body. And no, it’s not a BaBy! At 20 weeks a clump of cells the size of a golfball. If she needed later, I would trust what her doctor said. So unAmerican to be against a woman’s right to control her own destiny.

20 weeks? I only ever knew of one personally that had no knowledge at 16 weeks plus they were pregnant. Obese. I'm pro choice and the decision needs to be made far earlier than 20 weeks. VA had some weird proposed legislation that with a 1 doctor sign off could have allowed a fulll term healthy to be deemed a product. Yes that's ghoulish.

I have no idea if a DD or partner of a DS ever had one. If so it would have been before anyone familiar with them would have thought are they pregnant.

If I remember correctly, the Virginia proposed legislation was in terms of concern for the life of the mother, no? Babies are absolutely delivered early to save the life of the mother. We have friends in Maryland who had a child delivered at 27w due to severe pre-eclampsia. Fortunately, both mother and baby survived. Another woman I know, also with pre-eclampsia, was induced at 35w. Another was delivered at 32w due to a cancer diagnosis while pregnant. An acquaintance of my family also had an induction early in the 3rd trimester due to fimmubent fetal demise.
These situations arent "ghoulish." Bad things happen. Women don't just up and decide at near full term to "abort".

Here's a link to that proposed legislation https://lis.virginia.gov/cgi-bin/legp604.exe?191+ful+HB2491
The language was very simple- removed plural physicians, substantially and irremediably, must to shall on support of product aborted or miscarried. :

§ 18.2-74. When abortion or termination of pregnancy lawful after second trimester of pregnancy....


(a) 1. Said operation is performed in a hospital licensed by the Virginia State Department of Health or operated by the Department of Behavioral Health and Developmental Services.

(b) 2. The physician_ certifies and so_enters in the hospital record of the woman, that in_the physician's medical opinion, based upon_the physician's best clinical judgment, the continuation of the pregnancy is likely to result in the death of the woman or _impair the mental or physical health of the woman.

(c) 3. Measures for life support for the product of such abortion or miscarriage _ shall be available and utilized if there is any clearly visible evidence of viability.

Ok...how is this "ghoulish"? I'm all for abortion or early inductions to save the mother's life. Unfortunately, I know several women with these types of stories. Two of them already had children. It would have been a real tragedy to leave their older children motherless.
Pregnancy can go from perfectly normal to life threatening very quickly, even in this day and age. Some people seem to struggle to realize that.

I’m the above poster. Why wouldn’t someone just have the baby if their life was threatened? Abortion is not an instant procedure. C-section is. Thousands of women have had to have emergency c-sections or induce labor to save their own life before viability and - guess what - the baby dies both ways, only one way is usually cuddled up in a blanket with their mom and the other is having their limbs ripped off one by one.

And before you say there are “other methods” to abortion - you think a doctor who was treating someone whose life was in danger would just say “oh here take this abortion pill, see you in 48 hours!”

Different people have different situations. I know someone who had to abort a twin to save the other. Procedure took place right at 20w. C-section would have resulted in the death of the other twin. Instead, she managed to carry the surviving twin until 35 weeks.

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100% Pro-choice.

I have a 21 yo DD and a 15 yo DD.

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Anonymous wrote:Mother of two young daughters. It terrifies me that they might not have choices in their teens if they were to get pregnant. I used to not understand why anyone had 2nd or 3rd trimester abortions. I thought teen girls / women should make that decision when they learned they were pregnant. Then I watched women around me go through various things. For instance, my cousin learned at 20 weeks that her fetus hadn’t grown lungs and some other friends have learned similar information at 20 week scans. I learned around 20 weeks that I carried a few potentially devastating genetic mutations - and didn’t learn until after 23 weeks that my husband didn’t carry them. (We didn’t choose an amniocentesis because the risk of miscarriage was similar to the risk that he would carry the mutations.) I then hemorrhaged having my first and was being monitored for emergency surgery and / or transfusions. They’d prepped an OR in case they couldn’t get the bleeding to stop.

I can immediately think of 5 women I personally know who terminated pregnancies when they found out because they didn’t want to be pregnant. And I know one person who carried a baby she knew would die (the baby lived 5.5 weeks) and one friend moved so her baby would be born at a hospital capable of handling a severe birth defect. After all the surgeries, the portion of the medical bill she was responsible for (with federal insurance) was just shy of $2 million. So I think delivering or not is a serious choice and should be treated as such.

All PP's examples are very valid. I posted the VA failed legislation whch was odd because it went way beyond such instances. That was why Trans's proposed legislation was so controversial. I believe even Lt Gov Fairfax said at the time it was poorly crafted legislation. Sen Kaine was not in favor of the Tran bill.

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Anonymous wrote:How is this even a question? 1000% support my daughter to choose what she does with her body. And no, it’s not a BaBy! At 20 weeks a clump of cells the size of a golfball. If she needed later, I would trust what her doctor said. So unAmerican to be against a woman’s right to control her own destiny.

20 weeks? I only ever knew of one personally that had no knowledge at 16 weeks plus they were pregnant. Obese. I'm pro choice and the decision needs to be made far earlier than 20 weeks. VA had some weird proposed legislation that with a 1 doctor sign off could have allowed a fulll term healthy to be deemed a product. Yes that's ghoulish.

I have no idea if a DD or partner of a DS ever had one. If so it would have been before anyone familiar with them would have thought are they pregnant.

If I remember correctly, the Virginia proposed legislation was in terms of concern for the life of the mother, no? Babies are absolutely delivered early to save the life of the mother. We have friends in Maryland who had a child delivered at 27w due to severe pre-eclampsia. Fortunately, both mother and baby survived. Another woman I know, also with pre-eclampsia, was induced at 35w. Another was delivered at 32w due to a cancer diagnosis while pregnant. An acquaintance of my family also had an induction early in the 3rd trimester due to fimmubent fetal demise.
These situations arent "ghoulish." Bad things happen. Women don't just up and decide at near full term to "abort".

Here's a link to that proposed legislation https://lis.virginia.gov/cgi-bin/legp604.exe?191+ful+HB2491
The language was very simple- removed plural physicians, substantially and irremediably, must to shall on support of product aborted or miscarried. :

§ 18.2-74. When abortion or termination of pregnancy lawful after second trimester of pregnancy....


(a) 1. Said operation is performed in a hospital licensed by the Virginia State Department of Health or operated by the Department of Behavioral Health and Developmental Services.

(b) 2. The physician_ certifies and so_enters in the hospital record of the woman, that in_the physician's medical opinion, based upon_the physician's best clinical judgment, the continuation of the pregnancy is likely to result in the death of the woman or _impair the mental or physical health of the woman.

(c) 3. Measures for life support for the product of such abortion or miscarriage _ shall be available and utilized if there is any clearly visible evidence of viability.

Ok...how is this "ghoulish"? I'm all for abortion or early inductions to save the mother's life. Unfortunately, I know several women with these types of stories. Two of them already had children. It would have been a real tragedy to leave their older children motherless.
Pregnancy can go from perfectly normal to life threatening very quickly, even in this day and age. Some people seem to struggle to realize that.

I’m the above poster. Why wouldn’t someone just have the baby if their life was threatened? Abortion is not an instant procedure. C-section is. Thousands of women have had to have emergency c-sections or induce labor to save their own life before viability and - guess what - the baby dies both ways, only one way is usually cuddled up in a blanket with their mom and the other is having their limbs ripped off one by one.

And before you say there are “other methods” to abortion - you think a doctor who was treating someone whose life was in danger would just say “oh here take this abortion pill, see you in 48 hours!”

If my life is in danger and the fetus is not going to survive anyway I don’t want an invasive surgery, and I should be able to make that decision about my body.

Uh, if your life is in *actual* danger your doctor is going to go the option that will *save your life* the quickest, which is never abortion vs delivery. Proving that anti-life people know nothing about medical abortion procedures. Of course if you just want abortion as birth control just say as much.

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Anonymous wrote:How is this even a question? 1000% support my daughter to choose what she does with her body. And no, it’s not a BaBy! At 20 weeks a clump of cells the size of a golfball. If she needed later, I would trust what her doctor said. So unAmerican to be against a woman’s right to control her own destiny.

20 weeks? I only ever knew of one personally that had no knowledge at 16 weeks plus they were pregnant. Obese. I'm pro choice and the decision needs to be made far earlier than 20 weeks. VA had some weird proposed legislation that with a 1 doctor sign off could have allowed a fulll term healthy to be deemed a product. Yes that's ghoulish.

I have no idea if a DD or partner of a DS ever had one. If so it would have been before anyone familiar with them would have thought are they pregnant.

If I remember correctly, the Virginia proposed legislation was in terms of concern for the life of the mother, no? Babies are absolutely delivered early to save the life of the mother. We have friends in Maryland who had a child delivered at 27w due to severe pre-eclampsia. Fortunately, both mother and baby survived. Another woman I know, also with pre-eclampsia, was induced at 35w. Another was delivered at 32w due to a cancer diagnosis while pregnant. An acquaintance of my family also had an induction early in the 3rd trimester due to fimmubent fetal demise.
These situations arent "ghoulish." Bad things happen. Women don't just up and decide at near full term to "abort".

Here's a link to that proposed legislation https://lis.virginia.gov/cgi-bin/legp604.exe?191+ful+HB2491
The language was very simple- removed plural physicians, substantially and irremediably, must to shall on support of product aborted or miscarried. :

§ 18.2-74. When abortion or termination of pregnancy lawful after second trimester of pregnancy....


(a) 1. Said operation is performed in a hospital licensed by the Virginia State Department of Health or operated by the Department of Behavioral Health and Developmental Services.

(b) 2. The physician_ certifies and so_enters in the hospital record of the woman, that in_the physician's medical opinion, based upon_the physician's best clinical judgment, the continuation of the pregnancy is likely to result in the death of the woman or _impair the mental or physical health of the woman.

(c) 3. Measures for life support for the product of such abortion or miscarriage _ shall be available and utilized if there is any clearly visible evidence of viability.

Ok...how is this "ghoulish"? I'm all for abortion or early inductions to save the mother's life. Unfortunately, I know several women with these types of stories. Two of them already had children. It would have been a real tragedy to leave their older children motherless.
Pregnancy can go from perfectly normal to life threatening very quickly, even in this day and age. Some people seem to struggle to realize that.

I’m the above poster. Why wouldn’t someone just have the baby if their life was threatened? Abortion is not an instant procedure. C-section is. Thousands of women have had to have emergency c-sections or induce labor to save their own life before viability and - guess what - the baby dies both ways, only one way is usually cuddled up in a blanket with their mom and the other is having their limbs ripped off one by one.

And before you say there are “other methods” to abortion - you think a doctor who was treating someone whose life was in danger would just say “oh here take this abortion pill, see you in 48 hours!”

If my life is in danger and the fetus is not going to survive anyway I don’t want an invasive surgery, and I should be able to make that decision about my body.

Uh, if your life is in *actual* danger your doctor is going to go the option that will *save your life* the quickest, which is never abortion vs delivery. Proving that anti-life people know nothing about medical abortion procedures. Of course if you just want abortion as birth control just say as much.

DP. Actually, you are the one who needs to be educated. There are plenty of cases where termination of the pregnancy is (or would have been, in the case of Savita Halapannavar and others like her) life-saving.

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Anonymous wrote:How is this even a question? 1000% support my daughter to choose what she does with her body. And no, it’s not a BaBy! At 20 weeks a clump of cells the size of a golfball. If she needed later, I would trust what her doctor said. So unAmerican to be against a woman’s right to control her own destiny.

20 weeks? I only ever knew of one personally that had no knowledge at 16 weeks plus they were pregnant. Obese. I'm pro choice and the decision needs to be made far earlier than 20 weeks. VA had some weird proposed legislation that with a 1 doctor sign off could have allowed a fulll term healthy to be deemed a product. Yes that's ghoulish.

I have no idea if a DD or partner of a DS ever had one. If so it would have been before anyone familiar with them would have thought are they pregnant.

If I remember correctly, the Virginia proposed legislation was in terms of concern for the life of the mother, no? Babies are absolutely delivered early to save the life of the mother. We have friends in Maryland who had a child delivered at 27w due to severe pre-eclampsia. Fortunately, both mother and baby survived. Another woman I know, also with pre-eclampsia, was induced at 35w. Another was delivered at 32w due to a cancer diagnosis while pregnant. An acquaintance of my family also had an induction early in the 3rd trimester due to fimmubent fetal demise.
These situations arent "ghoulish." Bad things happen. Women don't just up and decide at near full term to "abort".

Here's a link to that proposed legislation https://lis.virginia.gov/cgi-bin/legp604.exe?191+ful+HB2491
The language was very simple- removed plural physicians, substantially and irremediably, must to shall on support of product aborted or miscarried. :

§ 18.2-74. When abortion or termination of pregnancy lawful after second trimester of pregnancy....


(a) 1. Said operation is performed in a hospital licensed by the Virginia State Department of Health or operated by the Department of Behavioral Health and Developmental Services.

(b) 2. The physician_ certifies and so_enters in the hospital record of the woman, that in_the physician's medical opinion, based upon_the physician's best clinical judgment, the continuation of the pregnancy is likely to result in the death of the woman or _impair the mental or physical health of the woman.

(c) 3. Measures for life support for the product of such abortion or miscarriage _ shall be available and utilized if there is any clearly visible evidence of viability.

Ok...how is this "ghoulish"? I'm all for abortion or early inductions to save the mother's life. Unfortunately, I know several women with these types of stories. Two of them already had children. It would have been a real tragedy to leave their older children motherless.
Pregnancy can go from perfectly normal to life threatening very quickly, even in this day and age. Some people seem to struggle to realize that.

I’m the above poster. Why wouldn’t someone just have the baby if their life was threatened? Abortion is not an instant procedure. C-section is. Thousands of women have had to have emergency c-sections or induce labor to save their own life before viability and - guess what - the baby dies both ways, only one way is usually cuddled up in a blanket with their mom and the other is having their limbs ripped off one by one.

And before you say there are “other methods” to abortion - you think a doctor who was treating someone whose life was in danger would just say “oh here take this abortion pill, see you in 48 hours!”

If my life is in danger and the fetus is not going to survive anyway I don’t want an invasive surgery, and I should be able to make that decision about my body.

Uh, if your life is in *actual* danger your doctor is going to go the option that will *save your life* the quickest, which is never abortion vs delivery. Proving that anti-life people know nothing about medical abortion procedures. Of course if you just want abortion as birth control just say as much.

DP. Actually, you are the one who needs to be educated. There are plenty of cases where termination of the pregnancy is (or would have been, in the case of Savita Halapannavar and others like her) life-saving.

I am pretty sure you and the PP are saying the same thing.

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Anonymous wrote:How is this even a question? 1000% support my daughter to choose what she does with her body. And no, it’s not a BaBy! At 20 weeks a clump of cells the size of a golfball. If she needed later, I would trust what her doctor said. So unAmerican to be against a woman’s right to control her own destiny.

20 weeks? I only ever knew of one personally that had no knowledge at 16 weeks plus they were pregnant. Obese. I'm pro choice and the decision needs to be made far earlier than 20 weeks. VA had some weird proposed legislation that with a 1 doctor sign off could have allowed a fulll term healthy to be deemed a product. Yes that's ghoulish.

I have no idea if a DD or partner of a DS ever had one. If so it would have been before anyone familiar with them would have thought are they pregnant.

If I remember correctly, the Virginia proposed legislation was in terms of concern for the life of the mother, no? Babies are absolutely delivered early to save the life of the mother. We have friends in Maryland who had a child delivered at 27w due to severe pre-eclampsia. Fortunately, both mother and baby survived. Another woman I know, also with pre-eclampsia, was induced at 35w. Another was delivered at 32w due to a cancer diagnosis while pregnant. An acquaintance of my family also had an induction early in the 3rd trimester due to fimmubent fetal demise.
These situations arent "ghoulish." Bad things happen. Women don't just up and decide at near full term to "abort".

Here's a link to that proposed legislation https://lis.virginia.gov/cgi-bin/legp604.exe?191+ful+HB2491
The language was very simple- removed plural physicians, substantially and irremediably, must to shall on support of product aborted or miscarried. :

§ 18.2-74. When abortion or termination of pregnancy lawful after second trimester of pregnancy....


(a) 1. Said operation is performed in a hospital licensed by the Virginia State Department of Health or operated by the Department of Behavioral Health and Developmental Services.

(b) 2. The physician_ certifies and so_enters in the hospital record of the woman, that in_the physician's medical opinion, based upon_the physician's best clinical judgment, the continuation of the pregnancy is likely to result in the death of the woman or _impair the mental or physical health of the woman.

(c) 3. Measures for life support for the product of such abortion or miscarriage _ shall be available and utilized if there is any clearly visible evidence of viability.

Ok...how is this "ghoulish"? I'm all for abortion or early inductions to save the mother's life. Unfortunately, I know several women with these types of stories. Two of them already had children. It would have been a real tragedy to leave their older children motherless.
Pregnancy can go from perfectly normal to life threatening very quickly, even in this day and age. Some people seem to struggle to realize that.

I’m the above poster. Why wouldn’t someone just have the baby if their life was threatened? Abortion is not an instant procedure. C-section is. Thousands of women have had to have emergency c-sections or induce labor to save their own life before viability and - guess what - the baby dies both ways, only one way is usually cuddled up in a blanket with their mom and the other is having their limbs ripped off one by one.

And before you say there are “other methods” to abortion - you think a doctor who was treating someone whose life was in danger would just say “oh here take this abortion pill, see you in 48 hours!”

If my life is in danger and the fetus is not going to survive anyway I don’t want an invasive surgery, and I should be able to make that decision about my body.

Uh, if your life is in *actual* danger your doctor is going to go the option that will *save your life* the quickest, which is never abortion vs delivery. Proving that anti-life people know nothing about medical abortion procedures. Of course if you just want abortion as birth control just say as much.

Yes one hopes a doctor will choose the best option to terminate a pregnancy that is endangering a woman’s life, with a D&C and a D&E being two of the options as well as inducing and c-section.

PS “Abortion” is a medical term that is used to describe the premature ending of a pregnancy before viability, no matter how the embryo or fetus leaves the womb, whether by cutting the woman’s body, using a machine to suck or scrape out the contents of the uterus, or if the woman’s body expels it thru her vagina. All miscarriages are also termed abortions as well by the medical community.

“Delivery” happens after the point of viability.

—someone who has had 4 miscarriages including a “missed abortion” that needed to be D&C’d. .

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Anonymous wrote:How is this even a question? 1000% support my daughter to choose what she does with her body. And no, it’s not a BaBy! At 20 weeks a clump of cells the size of a golfball. If she needed later, I would trust what her doctor said. So unAmerican to be against a woman’s right to control her own destiny.

20 weeks? I only ever knew of one personally that had no knowledge at 16 weeks plus they were pregnant. Obese. I'm pro choice and the decision needs to be made far earlier than 20 weeks. VA had some weird proposed legislation that with a 1 doctor sign off could have allowed a fulll term healthy to be deemed a product. Yes that's ghoulish.

I have no idea if a DD or partner of a DS ever had one. If so it would have been before anyone familiar with them would have thought are they pregnant.

If I remember correctly, the Virginia proposed legislation was in terms of concern for the life of the mother, no? Babies are absolutely delivered early to save the life of the mother. We have friends in Maryland who had a child delivered at 27w due to severe pre-eclampsia. Fortunately, both mother and baby survived. Another woman I know, also with pre-eclampsia, was induced at 35w. Another was delivered at 32w due to a cancer diagnosis while pregnant. An acquaintance of my family also had an induction early in the 3rd trimester due to fimmubent fetal demise.
These situations arent "ghoulish." Bad things happen. Women don't just up and decide at near full term to "abort".

Here's a link to that proposed legislation https://lis.virginia.gov/cgi-bin/legp604.exe?191+ful+HB2491
The language was very simple- removed plural physicians, substantially and irremediably, must to shall on support of product aborted or miscarried. :

§ 18.2-74. When abortion or termination of pregnancy lawful after second trimester of pregnancy....


(a) 1. Said operation is performed in a hospital licensed by the Virginia State Department of Health or operated by the Department of Behavioral Health and Developmental Services.

(b) 2. The physician_ certifies and so_enters in the hospital record of the woman, that in_the physician's medical opinion, based upon_the physician's best clinical judgment, the continuation of the pregnancy is likely to result in the death of the woman or _impair the mental or physical health of the woman.

(c) 3. Measures for life support for the product of such abortion or miscarriage _ shall be available and utilized if there is any clearly visible evidence of viability.

Ok...how is this "ghoulish"? I'm all for abortion or early inductions to save the mother's life. Unfortunately, I know several women with these types of stories. Two of them already had children. It would have been a real tragedy to leave their older children motherless.
Pregnancy can go from perfectly normal to life threatening very quickly, even in this day and age. Some people seem to struggle to realize that.

I’m the above poster. Why wouldn’t someone just have the baby if their life was threatened? Abortion is not an instant procedure. C-section is. Thousands of women have had to have emergency c-sections or induce labor to save their own life before viability and - guess what - the baby dies both ways, only one way is usually cuddled up in a blanket with their mom and the other is having their limbs ripped off one by one.

And before you say there are “other methods” to abortion - you think a doctor who was treating someone whose life was in danger would just say “oh here take this abortion pill, see you in 48 hours!”

If my life is in danger and the fetus is not going to survive anyway I don’t want an invasive surgery, and I should be able to make that decision about my body.

Uh, if your life is in *actual* danger your doctor is going to go the option that will *save your life* the quickest, which is never abortion vs delivery. Proving that anti-life people know nothing about medical abortion procedures. Of course if you just want abortion as birth control just say as much.

DP. Actually, you are the one who needs to be educated. There are plenty of cases where termination of the pregnancy is (or would have been, in the case of Savita Halapannavar and others like her) life-saving.

I am pretty sure you and the PP are saying the same thing.

Np- it sounds like one of the posters is arguing that babies should all be delivered instead of aborted.
That is not the same argument.

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Anonymous wrote:How is this even a question? 1000% support my daughter to choose what she does with her body. And no, it’s not a BaBy! At 20 weeks a clump of cells the size of a golfball. If she needed later, I would trust what her doctor said. So unAmerican to be against a woman’s right to control her own destiny.

20 weeks? I only ever knew of one personally that had no knowledge at 16 weeks plus they were pregnant. Obese. I'm pro choice and the decision needs to be made far earlier than 20 weeks. VA had some weird proposed legislation that with a 1 doctor sign off could have allowed a fulll term healthy to be deemed a product. Yes that's ghoulish.

I have no idea if a DD or partner of a DS ever had one. If so it would have been before anyone familiar with them would have thought are they pregnant.

If I remember correctly, the Virginia proposed legislation was in terms of concern for the life of the mother, no? Babies are absolutely delivered early to save the life of the mother. We have friends in Maryland who had a child delivered at 27w due to severe pre-eclampsia. Fortunately, both mother and baby survived. Another woman I know, also with pre-eclampsia, was induced at 35w. Another was delivered at 32w due to a cancer diagnosis while pregnant. An acquaintance of my family also had an induction early in the 3rd trimester due to fimmubent fetal demise.
These situations arent "ghoulish." Bad things happen. Women don't just up and decide at near full term to "abort".

Here's a link to that proposed legislation https://lis.virginia.gov/cgi-bin/legp604.exe?191+ful+HB2491
The language was very simple- removed plural physicians, substantially and irremediably, must to shall on support of product aborted or miscarried. :

§ 18.2-74. When abortion or termination of pregnancy lawful after second trimester of pregnancy....


(a) 1. Said operation is performed in a hospital licensed by the Virginia State Department of Health or operated by the Department of Behavioral Health and Developmental Services.

(b) 2. The physician_ certifies and so_enters in the hospital record of the woman, that in_the physician's medical opinion, based upon_the physician's best clinical judgment, the continuation of the pregnancy is likely to result in the death of the woman or _impair the mental or physical health of the woman.

(c) 3. Measures for life support for the product of such abortion or miscarriage _ shall be available and utilized if there is any clearly visible evidence of viability.

Ok...how is this "ghoulish"? I'm all for abortion or early inductions to save the mother's life. Unfortunately, I know several women with these types of stories. Two of them already had children. It would have been a real tragedy to leave their older children motherless.
Pregnancy can go from perfectly normal to life threatening very quickly, even in this day and age. Some people seem to struggle to realize that.

I’m the above poster. Why wouldn’t someone just have the baby if their life was threatened? Abortion is not an instant procedure. C-section is. Thousands of women have had to have emergency c-sections or induce labor to save their own life before viability and - guess what - the baby dies both ways, only one way is usually cuddled up in a blanket with their mom and the other is having their limbs ripped off one by one.

And before you say there are “other methods” to abortion - you think a doctor who was treating someone whose life was in danger would just say “oh here take this abortion pill, see you in 48 hours!”

If my life is in danger and the fetus is not going to survive anyway I don’t want an invasive surgery, and I should be able to make that decision about my body.

Uh, if your life is in *actual* danger your doctor is going to go the option that will *save your life* the quickest, which is never abortion vs delivery. Proving that anti-life people know nothing about medical abortion procedures. Of course if you just want abortion as birth control just say as much.

DP. Actually, you are the one who needs to be educated. There are plenty of cases where termination of the pregnancy is (or would have been, in the case of Savita Halapannavar and others like her) life-saving.

I am pretty sure you and the PP are saying the same thing.

Np- it sounds like one of the posters is arguing that babies should all be delivered instead of aborted.
That is not the same argument.

+1 There’s a lie going around on the right that abortion is never necessary to save the life of the mother. It’s nonsense.

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Anonymous wrote:How is this even a question? 1000% support my daughter to choose what she does with her body. And no, it’s not a BaBy! At 20 weeks a clump of cells the size of a golfball. If she needed later, I would trust what her doctor said. So unAmerican to be against a woman’s right to control her own destiny.

20 weeks? I only ever knew of one personally that had no knowledge at 16 weeks plus they were pregnant. Obese. I'm pro choice and the decision needs to be made far earlier than 20 weeks. VA had some weird proposed legislation that with a 1 doctor sign off could have allowed a fulll term healthy to be deemed a product. Yes that's ghoulish.

I have no idea if a DD or partner of a DS ever had one. If so it would have been before anyone familiar with them would have thought are they pregnant.

If I remember correctly, the Virginia proposed legislation was in terms of concern for the life of the mother, no? Babies are absolutely delivered early to save the life of the mother. We have friends in Maryland who had a child delivered at 27w due to severe pre-eclampsia. Fortunately, both mother and baby survived. Another woman I know, also with pre-eclampsia, was induced at 35w. Another was delivered at 32w due to a cancer diagnosis while pregnant. An acquaintance of my family also had an induction early in the 3rd trimester due to fimmubent fetal demise.
These situations arent "ghoulish." Bad things happen. Women don't just up and decide at near full term to "abort".

Here's a link to that proposed legislation https://lis.virginia.gov/cgi-bin/legp604.exe?191+ful+HB2491
The language was very simple- removed plural physicians, substantially and irremediably, must to shall on support of product aborted or miscarried. :

§ 18.2-74. When abortion or termination of pregnancy lawful after second trimester of pregnancy....


(a) 1. Said operation is performed in a hospital licensed by the Virginia State Department of Health or operated by the Department of Behavioral Health and Developmental Services.

(b) 2. The physician_ certifies and so_enters in the hospital record of the woman, that in_the physician's medical opinion, based upon_the physician's best clinical judgment, the continuation of the pregnancy is likely to result in the death of the woman or _impair the mental or physical health of the woman.

(c) 3. Measures for life support for the product of such abortion or miscarriage _ shall be available and utilized if there is any clearly visible evidence of viability.

Ok...how is this "ghoulish"? I'm all for abortion or early inductions to save the mother's life. Unfortunately, I know several women with these types of stories. Two of them already had children. It would have been a real tragedy to leave their older children motherless.
Pregnancy can go from perfectly normal to life threatening very quickly, even in this day and age. Some people seem to struggle to realize that.

I’m the above poster. Why wouldn’t someone just have the baby if their life was threatened? Abortion is not an instant procedure. C-section is. Thousands of women have had to have emergency c-sections or induce labor to save their own life before viability and - guess what - the baby dies both ways, only one way is usually cuddled up in a blanket with their mom and the other is having their limbs ripped off one by one.

And before you say there are “other methods” to abortion - you think a doctor who was treating someone whose life was in danger would just say “oh here take this abortion pill, see you in 48 hours!”

If my life is in danger and the fetus is not going to survive anyway I don’t want an invasive surgery, and I should be able to make that decision about my body.

Uh, if your life is in *actual* danger your doctor is going to go the option that will *save your life* the quickest, which is never abortion vs delivery. Proving that anti-life people know nothing about medical abortion procedures. Of course if you just want abortion as birth control just say as much.

The quickest procedure is never abortion vs delivery - what the hell nonsense is that gobbeldy-gook? I hope you are not a doctor because your communication skllls are non-existent.

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Anonymous wrote:How is this even a question? 1000% support my daughter to choose what she does with her body. And no, it’s not a BaBy! At 20 weeks a clump of cells the size of a golfball. If she needed later, I would trust what her doctor said. So unAmerican to be against a woman’s right to control her own destiny.

20 weeks? I only ever knew of one personally that had no knowledge at 16 weeks plus they were pregnant. Obese. I'm pro choice and the decision needs to be made far earlier than 20 weeks. VA had some weird proposed legislation that with a 1 doctor sign off could have allowed a fulll term healthy to be deemed a product. Yes that's ghoulish.

I have no idea if a DD or partner of a DS ever had one. If so it would have been before anyone familiar with them would have thought are they pregnant.

If I remember correctly, the Virginia proposed legislation was in terms of concern for the life of the mother, no? Babies are absolutely delivered early to save the life of the mother. We have friends in Maryland who had a child delivered at 27w due to severe pre-eclampsia. Fortunately, both mother and baby survived. Another woman I know, also with pre-eclampsia, was induced at 35w. Another was delivered at 32w due to a cancer diagnosis while pregnant. An acquaintance of my family also had an induction early in the 3rd trimester due to fimmubent fetal demise.
These situations arent "ghoulish." Bad things happen. Women don't just up and decide at near full term to "abort".

Here's a link to that proposed legislation https://lis.virginia.gov/cgi-bin/legp604.exe?191+ful+HB2491
The language was very simple- removed plural physicians, substantially and irremediably, must to shall on support of product aborted or miscarried. :

§ 18.2-74. When abortion or termination of pregnancy lawful after second trimester of pregnancy....


(a) 1. Said operation is performed in a hospital licensed by the Virginia State Department of Health or operated by the Department of Behavioral Health and Developmental Services.

(b) 2. The physician_ certifies and so_enters in the hospital record of the woman, that in_the physician's medical opinion, based upon_the physician's best clinical judgment, the continuation of the pregnancy is likely to result in the death of the woman or _impair the mental or physical health of the woman.

(c) 3. Measures for life support for the product of such abortion or miscarriage _ shall be available and utilized if there is any clearly visible evidence of viability.

Ok...how is this "ghoulish"? I'm all for abortion or early inductions to save the mother's life. Unfortunately, I know several women with these types of stories. Two of them already had children. It would have been a real tragedy to leave their older children motherless.
Pregnancy can go from perfectly normal to life threatening very quickly, even in this day and age. Some people seem to struggle to realize that.

I’m the above poster. Why wouldn’t someone just have the baby if their life was threatened? Abortion is not an instant procedure. C-section is. Thousands of women have had to have emergency c-sections or induce labor to save their own life before viability and - guess what - the baby dies both ways, only one way is usually cuddled up in a blanket with their mom and the other is having their limbs ripped off one by one.

And before you say there are “other methods” to abortion - you think a doctor who was treating someone whose life was in danger would just say “oh here take this abortion pill, see you in 48 hours!”

If my life is in danger and the fetus is not going to survive anyway I don’t want an invasive surgery, and I should be able to make that decision about my body.

Uh, if your life is in *actual* danger your doctor is going to go the option that will *save your life* the quickest, which is never abortion vs delivery. Proving that anti-life people know nothing about medical abortion procedures. Of course if you just want abortion as birth control just say as much.

DP. Actually, you are the one who needs to be educated. There are plenty of cases where termination of the pregnancy is (or would have been, in the case of Savita Halapannavar and others like her) life-saving.

I am pretty sure you and the PP are saying the same thing.

Np- it sounds like one of the posters is arguing that babies should all be delivered instead of aborted.
That is not the same argument.

The PP who is proposing this seems to be saying that in an emergency, speed is of the essence and therefore cesarean section is always better than abortion. This is medically untrue.

“A c-section has a higher complication rate than an indiction of labor, D & E or D & X. The complication rate is about 10%. If a pregnant person is very ill those risks are higher. A woman is more likely to die from a c-section than any abortion performed by a trained provider.”. see more on this from Dr. Jen Gunter, a well-respected OB-Gyn and reproductive health author who has actually performed abortions.

https://drjengunter.com/2019/01/29/abortions-at-or-after-24-weeks-are-sometimes-needed-medically-anyone-who-says-otherwise-is-wrong/

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Anonymous wrote:How is this even a question? 1000% support my daughter to choose what she does with her body. And no, it’s not a BaBy! At 20 weeks a clump of cells the size of a golfball. If she needed later, I would trust what her doctor said. So unAmerican to be against a woman’s right to control her own destiny.

20 weeks? I only ever knew of one personally that had no knowledge at 16 weeks plus they were pregnant. Obese. I'm pro choice and the decision needs to be made far earlier than 20 weeks. VA had some weird proposed legislation that with a 1 doctor sign off could have allowed a fulll term healthy to be deemed a product. Yes that's ghoulish.

I have no idea if a DD or partner of a DS ever had one. If so it would have been before anyone familiar with them would have thought are they pregnant.

If I remember correctly, the Virginia proposed legislation was in terms of concern for the life of the mother, no? Babies are absolutely delivered early to save the life of the mother. We have friends in Maryland who had a child delivered at 27w due to severe pre-eclampsia. Fortunately, both mother and baby survived. Another woman I know, also with pre-eclampsia, was induced at 35w. Another was delivered at 32w due to a cancer diagnosis while pregnant. An acquaintance of my family also had an induction early in the 3rd trimester due to fimmubent fetal demise.
These situations arent "ghoulish." Bad things happen. Women don't just up and decide at near full term to "abort".

Here's a link to that proposed legislation https://lis.virginia.gov/cgi-bin/legp604.exe?191+ful+HB2491
The language was very simple- removed plural physicians, substantially and irremediably, must to shall on support of product aborted or miscarried. :

§ 18.2-74. When abortion or termination of pregnancy lawful after second trimester of pregnancy....


(a) 1. Said operation is performed in a hospital licensed by the Virginia State Department of Health or operated by the Department of Behavioral Health and Developmental Services.

(b) 2. The physician_ certifies and so_enters in the hospital record of the woman, that in_the physician's medical opinion, based upon_the physician's best clinical judgment, the continuation of the pregnancy is likely to result in the death of the woman or _impair the mental or physical health of the woman.

(c) 3. Measures for life support for the product of such abortion or miscarriage _ shall be available and utilized if there is any clearly visible evidence of viability.

Ok...how is this "ghoulish"? I'm all for abortion or early inductions to save the mother's life. Unfortunately, I know several women with these types of stories. Two of them already had children. It would have been a real tragedy to leave their older children motherless.
Pregnancy can go from perfectly normal to life threatening very quickly, even in this day and age. Some people seem to struggle to realize that.

I’m the above poster. Why wouldn’t someone just have the baby if their life was threatened? Abortion is not an instant procedure. C-section is. Thousands of women have had to have emergency c-sections or induce labor to save their own life before viability and - guess what - the baby dies both ways, only one way is usually cuddled up in a blanket with their mom and the other is having their limbs ripped off one by one.

And before you say there are “other methods” to abortion - you think a doctor who was treating someone whose life was in danger would just say “oh here take this abortion pill, see you in 48 hours!”

If my life is in danger and the fetus is not going to survive anyway I don’t want an invasive surgery, and I should be able to make that decision about my body.

Uh, if your life is in *actual* danger your doctor is going to go the option that will *save your life* the quickest, which is never abortion vs delivery. Proving that anti-life people know nothing about medical abortion procedures. Of course if you just want abortion as birth control just say as much.

DP. Actually, you are the one who needs to be educated. There are plenty of cases where termination of the pregnancy is (or would have been, in the case of Savita Halapannavar and others like her) life-saving.

I am pretty sure you and the PP are saying the same thing.

Np- it sounds like one of the posters is arguing that babies should all be delivered instead of aborted.
That is not the same argument.

The PP who is proposing this seems to be saying that in an emergency, speed is of the essence and therefore cesarean section is always better than abortion. This is medically untrue.

“A c-section has a higher complication rate than an indiction of labor, D & E or D & X. The complication rate is about 10%. If a pregnant person is very ill those risks are higher. A woman is more likely to die from a c-section than any abortion performed by a trained provider.”. see more on this from Dr. Jen Gunter, a well-respected OB-Gyn and reproductive health author who has actually performed abortions.

https://drjengunter.com/2019/01/29/abortions-at-or-after-24-weeks-are-sometimes-needed-medically-anyone-who-says-otherwise-is-wrong/

I am the PP who brought up the case of Savita Halapannavar as an example. There are plenty of situations in which the woman's life is at risk if the pregnancy continues, and as another PP pointed out, c-section prior to the point of viability generally isn't the chosen option for saving the woman's life. Examples would include cases where sepsis may be likely to develop, or when a woman finds out that she has cancer and cannot undergo treatment while pregnant, or when a fetus has a condition that is incompatible with life and those carrying the pregnancy any further would also endanger the mother, etc.
But I agree that other PP is trying to push the ultra "pro-life"talking point that abortions are never medically necessary to save a woman's life, because there's always c-section. What an uneducated pile of cr@p.

I had an ectopic that was caught early. Thank God for methotrexate. Not only did it save my life, my fertility was preserved and I didn't need to undergo a surgical procedure.

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Anonymous wrote:How is this even a question? 1000% support my daughter to choose what she does with her body. And no, it’s not a BaBy! At 20 weeks a clump of cells the size of a golfball. If she needed later, I would trust what her doctor said. So unAmerican to be against a woman’s right to control her own destiny.

20 weeks? I only ever knew of one personally that had no knowledge at 16 weeks plus they were pregnant. Obese. I'm pro choice and the decision needs to be made far earlier than 20 weeks. VA had some weird proposed legislation that with a 1 doctor sign off could have allowed a fulll term healthy to be deemed a product. Yes that's ghoulish.

I have no idea if a DD or partner of a DS ever had one. If so it would have been before anyone familiar with them would have thought are they pregnant.

If I remember correctly, the Virginia proposed legislation was in terms of concern for the life of the mother, no? Babies are absolutely delivered early to save the life of the mother. We have friends in Maryland who had a child delivered at 27w due to severe pre-eclampsia. Fortunately, both mother and baby survived. Another woman I know, also with pre-eclampsia, was induced at 35w. Another was delivered at 32w due to a cancer diagnosis while pregnant. An acquaintance of my family also had an induction early in the 3rd trimester due to fimmubent fetal demise.
These situations arent "ghoulish." Bad things happen. Women don't just up and decide at near full term to "abort".

Here's a link to that proposed legislation https://lis.virginia.gov/cgi-bin/legp604.exe?191+ful+HB2491
The language was very simple- removed plural physicians, substantially and irremediably, must to shall on support of product aborted or miscarried. :

§ 18.2-74. When abortion or termination of pregnancy lawful after second trimester of pregnancy....


(a) 1. Said operation is performed in a hospital licensed by the Virginia State Department of Health or operated by the Department of Behavioral Health and Developmental Services.

(b) 2. The physician_ certifies and so_enters in the hospital record of the woman, that in_the physician's medical opinion, based upon_the physician's best clinical judgment, the continuation of the pregnancy is likely to result in the death of the woman or _impair the mental or physical health of the woman.

(c) 3. Measures for life support for the product of such abortion or miscarriage _ shall be available and utilized if there is any clearly visible evidence of viability.

Ok...how is this "ghoulish"? I'm all for abortion or early inductions to save the mother's life. Unfortunately, I know several women with these types of stories. Two of them already had children. It would have been a real tragedy to leave their older children motherless.
Pregnancy can go from perfectly normal to life threatening very quickly, even in this day and age. Some people seem to struggle to realize that.

I’m the above poster. Why wouldn’t someone just have the baby if their life was threatened? Abortion is not an instant procedure. C-section is. Thousands of women have had to have emergency c-sections or induce labor to save their own life before viability and - guess what - the baby dies both ways, only one way is usually cuddled up in a blanket with their mom and the other is having their limbs ripped off one by one.

And before you say there are “other methods” to abortion - you think a doctor who was treating someone whose life was in danger would just say “oh here take this abortion pill, see you in 48 hours!”

If my life is in danger and the fetus is not going to survive anyway I don’t want an invasive surgery, and I should be able to make that decision about my body.

Uh, if your life is in *actual* danger your doctor is going to go the option that will *save your life* the quickest, which is never abortion vs delivery. Proving that anti-life people know nothing about medical abortion procedures. Of course if you just want abortion as birth control just say as much.

No, there are many cases where abortion would be much safer than delivery. Why do you think a c section is safer than an abortion? You sound very ignorant.

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Anonymous wrote:How is this even a question? 1000% support my daughter to choose what she does with her body. And no, it’s not a BaBy! At 20 weeks a clump of cells the size of a golfball. If she needed later, I would trust what her doctor said. So unAmerican to be against a woman’s right to control her own destiny.

20 weeks? I only ever knew of one personally that had no knowledge at 16 weeks plus they were pregnant. Obese. I'm pro choice and the decision needs to be made far earlier than 20 weeks. VA had some weird proposed legislation that with a 1 doctor sign off could have allowed a fulll term healthy to be deemed a product. Yes that's ghoulish.

I have no idea if a DD or partner of a DS ever had one. If so it would have been before anyone familiar with them would have thought are they pregnant.

If I remember correctly, the Virginia proposed legislation was in terms of concern for the life of the mother, no? Babies are absolutely delivered early to save the life of the mother. We have friends in Maryland who had a child delivered at 27w due to severe pre-eclampsia. Fortunately, both mother and baby survived. Another woman I know, also with pre-eclampsia, was induced at 35w. Another was delivered at 32w due to a cancer diagnosis while pregnant. An acquaintance of my family also had an induction early in the 3rd trimester due to fimmubent fetal demise.
These situations arent "ghoulish." Bad things happen. Women don't just up and decide at near full term to "abort".

Here's a link to that proposed legislation https://lis.virginia.gov/cgi-bin/legp604.exe?191+ful+HB2491
The language was very simple- removed plural physicians, substantially and irremediably, must to shall on support of product aborted or miscarried. :

§ 18.2-74. When abortion or termination of pregnancy lawful after second trimester of pregnancy....


(a) 1. Said operation is performed in a hospital licensed by the Virginia State Department of Health or operated by the Department of Behavioral Health and Developmental Services.

(b) 2. The physician_ certifies and so_enters in the hospital record of the woman, that in_the physician's medical opinion, based upon_the physician's best clinical judgment, the continuation of the pregnancy is likely to result in the death of the woman or _impair the mental or physical health of the woman.

(c) 3. Measures for life support for the product of such abortion or miscarriage _ shall be available and utilized if there is any clearly visible evidence of viability.

Ok...how is this "ghoulish"? I'm all for abortion or early inductions to save the mother's life. Unfortunately, I know several women with these types of stories. Two of them already had children. It would have been a real tragedy to leave their older children motherless.
Pregnancy can go from perfectly normal to life threatening very quickly, even in this day and age. Some people seem to struggle to realize that.

I’m the above poster. Why wouldn’t someone just have the baby if their life was threatened? Abortion is not an instant procedure. C-section is. Thousands of women have had to have emergency c-sections or induce labor to save their own life before viability and - guess what - the baby dies both ways, only one way is usually cuddled up in a blanket with their mom and the other is having their limbs ripped off one by one.

And before you say there are “other methods” to abortion - you think a doctor who was treating someone whose life was in danger would just say “oh here take this abortion pill, see you in 48 hours!”

If my life is in danger and the fetus is not going to survive anyway I don’t want an invasive surgery, and I should be able to make that decision about my body.

Uh, if your life is in *actual* danger your doctor is going to go the option that will *save your life* the quickest, which is never abortion vs delivery. Proving that anti-life people know nothing about medical abortion procedures. Of course if you just want abortion as birth control just say as much.

No, there are many cases where abortion would be much safer than delivery. Why do you think a c section is safer than an abortion? You sound very ignorant.

It's not just how they sound. Ignorance is a lifestyle choice for some people.