Once a child is an adult, they are responsible for their financial situation. We are discussing a minor child. |
And how about those people who object to abortions and free contraception and then complain about having taxes go to support “welfare queens” and their children? |
It’s a cycle, unfortunately. So, they have the child at 17. Can we kick them out at 18? Or am I forced to either pay daycare or quit work to care for the baby so my kid can go back to finish high school? |
| I am truly pro-choice for everyone. If my teens manage to get someone pregnant - I'll support the girl in any way she decides, except for adoption to strangers (I am ready to raise/adopt that child if needed). |
Here's a link to that proposed legislation https://lis.virginia.gov/cgi-bin/legp604.exe?191+ful+HB2491 The language was very simple- removed plural physicians, substantially and irremediably, must to shall on support of product aborted or miscarried. : § 18.2-74. When abortion or termination of pregnancy lawful after second trimester of pregnancy.... (a) 1. Said operation is performed in a hospital licensed by the Virginia State Department of Health or operated by the Department of Behavioral Health and Developmental Services. (b) 2. The physician_ certifies and so_enters in the hospital record of the woman, that in_the physician's medical opinion, based upon_the physician's best clinical judgment, the continuation of the pregnancy is likely to result in the death of the woman or _impair the mental or physical health of the woman. (c) 3. Measures for life support for the product of such abortion or miscarriage _ shall be available and utilized if there is any clearly visible evidence of viability. |
Start your own thread. pp and many others posting on this thread don’t think they should have to financially contribute to the wellbeing of their own daughter and grandchild. Ask them how they feel about paying taxes for strangers and their kids? |
Ok...how is this "ghoulish"? I'm all for abortion or early inductions to save the mother's life. Unfortunately, I know several women with these types of stories. Two of them already had children. It would have been a real tragedy to leave their older children motherless. Pregnancy can go from perfectly normal to life threatening very quickly, even in this day and age. Some people seem to struggle to realize that. |
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I’m the above poster. Why wouldn’t someone just have the baby if their life was threatened? Abortion is not an instant procedure. C-section is. Thousands of women have had to have emergency c-sections or induce labor to save their own life before viability and - guess what - the baby dies both ways, only one way is usually cuddled up in a blanket with their mom and the other is having their limbs ripped off one by one. And before you say there are “other methods” to abortion - you think a doctor who was treating someone whose life was in danger would just say “oh here take this abortion pill, see you in 48 hours!” |
If my life is in danger and the fetus is not going to survive anyway I don’t want an invasive surgery, and I should be able to make that decision about my body. |
Goodness someone is touchy. Aren’t we having a discussion about what you see as hypocrisy? People who want to ban abortion and then complain about paying for babies in poverty are certainly hypocrites. As for me, I hope my taxes go to helping fellow human beings. |
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Mother of two young daughters. It terrifies me that they might not have choices in their teens if they were to get pregnant. I used to not understand why anyone had 2nd or 3rd trimester abortions. I thought teen girls / women should make that decision when they learned they were pregnant. Then I watched women around me go through various things. For instance, my cousin learned at 20 weeks that her fetus hadn’t grown lungs and some other friends have learned similar information at 20 week scans. I learned around 20 weeks that I carried a few potentially devastating genetic mutations - and didn’t learn until after 23 weeks that my husband didn’t carry them. (We didn’t choose an amniocentesis because the risk of miscarriage was similar to the risk that he would carry the mutations.) I then hemorrhaged having my first and was being monitored for emergency surgery and / or transfusions. They’d prepped an OR in case they couldn’t get the bleeding to stop.
I can immediately think of 5 women I personally know who terminated pregnancies when they found out because they didn’t want to be pregnant. And I know one person who carried a baby she knew would die (the baby lived 5.5 weeks) and one friend moved so her baby would be born at a hospital capable of handling a severe birth defect. After all the surgeries, the portion of the medical bill she was responsible for (with federal insurance) was just shy of $2 million. So I think delivering or not is a serious choice and should be treated as such. |
| That is absolutely what I did when my daughter was 22 which was 20 years ago. |
meanwhile a pp is ready to take their own pregnant daughter to court to abandon her while pregnant with their grandchild the babies aborted are definitely human beings, too. |
+1000000000000000 PRO CHOICE NOT MY CALL IT IS THEIR CHOICE |