How many of you are truly pro-choice?

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Anonymous wrote:How is this even a question? 1000% support my daughter to choose what she does with her body. And no, it’s not a BaBy! At 20 weeks a clump of cells the size of a golfball. If she needed later, I would trust what her doctor said. So unAmerican to be against a woman’s right to control her own destiny.

20 weeks? I only ever knew of one personally that had no knowledge at 16 weeks plus they were pregnant. Obese. I'm pro choice and the decision needs to be made far earlier than 20 weeks. VA had some weird proposed legislation that with a 1 doctor sign off could have allowed a fulll term healthy to be deemed a product. Yes that's ghoulish.

I have no idea if a DD or partner of a DS ever had one. If so it would have been before anyone familiar with them would have thought are they pregnant.

If I remember correctly, the Virginia proposed legislation was in terms of concern for the life of the mother, no? Babies are absolutely delivered early to save the life of the mother. We have friends in Maryland who had a child delivered at 27w due to severe pre-eclampsia. Fortunately, both mother and baby survived. Another woman I know, also with pre-eclampsia, was induced at 35w. Another was delivered at 32w due to a cancer diagnosis while pregnant. An acquaintance of my family also had an induction early in the 3rd trimester due to fimmubent fetal demise.
These situations arent "ghoulish." Bad things happen. Women don't just up and decide at near full term to "abort".

Here's a link to that proposed legislation https://lis.virginia.gov/cgi-bin/legp604.exe?191+ful+HB2491
The language was very simple- removed plural physicians, substantially and irremediably, must to shall on support of product aborted or miscarried. :

§ 18.2-74. When abortion or termination of pregnancy lawful after second trimester of pregnancy....


(a) 1. Said operation is performed in a hospital licensed by the Virginia State Department of Health or operated by the Department of Behavioral Health and Developmental Services.

(b) 2. The physician_ certifies and so_enters in the hospital record of the woman, that in_the physician's medical opinion, based upon_the physician's best clinical judgment, the continuation of the pregnancy is likely to result in the death of the woman or _impair the mental or physical health of the woman.

(c) 3. Measures for life support for the product of such abortion or miscarriage _ shall be available and utilized if there is any clearly visible evidence of viability.

Ok...how is this "ghoulish"? I'm all for abortion or early inductions to save the mother's life. Unfortunately, I know several women with these types of stories. Two of them already had children. It would have been a real tragedy to leave their older children motherless.
Pregnancy can go from perfectly normal to life threatening very quickly, even in this day and age. Some people seem to struggle to realize that.

I’m the above poster. Why wouldn’t someone just have the baby if their life was threatened? Abortion is not an instant procedure. C-section is. Thousands of women have had to have emergency c-sections or induce labor to save their own life before viability and - guess what - the baby dies both ways, only one way is usually cuddled up in a blanket with their mom and the other is having their limbs ripped off one by one.

And before you say there are “other methods” to abortion - you think a doctor who was treating someone whose life was in danger would just say “oh here take this abortion pill, see you in 48 hours!”

If my life is in danger and the fetus is not going to survive anyway I don’t want an invasive surgery, and I should be able to make that decision about my body.

Uh, if your life is in *actual* danger your doctor is going to go the option that will *save your life* the quickest, which is never abortion vs delivery. Proving that anti-life people know nothing about medical abortion procedures. Of course if you just want abortion as birth control just say as much.

No, there are many cases where abortion would be much safer than delivery. Why do you think a c section is safer than an abortion? You sound very ignorant.

Altogether now: the cruelty is the point. And in that forced birther’s argument, the cruelty highlights the fact that women are nothing but a vessel. So what if she’s only 12 weeks pregnant, saw her in half to retrieve a non-viable fetus! All life saving measures for the fetus! Who cares if the risks of a c-section are actually pretty big, if she has an abortion, she’ll have a much easier recovery and we can’t have that.

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I am absolutely pro choice.

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Anonymous wrote:My kids wouldnt get pregnant as we believe in birth control and are pro life

Whoop de do for your moral superiority. It truly is underwhelming.

If you had read the title of the post then you have understood why that there was no reason to be posting here as it concerned "PRO CHOICE"!

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It would depend. If my daughter was impregnated by rape, I would pray for her to choose abortion at any age because I know from personal experience how cruel it is to carry a rapists child to term.

But I am absolutely pro choice for termination at any time a woman chooses.

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So, right up until the woman goes into labor?

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Anonymous wrote:So, right up until the woman goes into labor?

NP. Yep. And the conversation and decision should be between her and her doctor. If a woman needs a late trimester abortion it’s not for any sort of casual reason, is most likely urgent or an emergency, and there should be zero barriers to access in any state nor any risk for the doctor to be prosecuted.

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Anonymous wrote:So, right up until the woman goes into labor?

NP. Yep. And the conversation and decision should be between her and her doctor. If a woman needs a late trimester abortion it’s not for any sort of casual reason, is most likely urgent or an emergency, and there should be zero barriers to access in any state nor any risk for the doctor to be prosecuted.

this is the straw man argument for the forced birthers. No doctor would perform an abortion at that point unless there was a pressing medical reason for it

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Is there a scenario in which this medically necessary abortion at birth would actually happen?

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Anonymous wrote:Is there a scenario in which this medically necessary abortion at birth would actually happen?

No. It was a RW/pro-life scare tactic.
If I remember correctly, it gained traction after a Ralph Northam (a pediatric neurologist prior to becoming governor) interview, in which he discussed the hypothetical situation of making a decision regarding resuscitation and/or lifesaving efforts versus just providing comfort care for a baby born with severe health issues, and that decision being made by the mother/parents. I can't remember exact details, but some in the RW/pro-life camp twisted what he said into more nefarious terms.

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“Pro-life” can’t make their argument without lying.
They don’t have facts.
They just have misogyny.

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Anonymous wrote:Is there a scenario in which this medically necessary abortion at birth would actually happen?

No. It was a RW/pro-life scare tactic.
If I remember correctly, it gained traction after a Ralph Northam (a pediatric neurologist prior to becoming governor) interview, in which he discussed the hypothetical situation of making a decision regarding resuscitation and/or lifesaving efforts versus just providing comfort care for a baby born with severe health issues, and that decision being made by the mother/parents. I can't remember exact details, but some in the RW/pro-life camp twisted what he said into more nefarious terms.

+1

Forced birthers are too effing dumb to read any of the thousands of accounts of women who have had to make that horrifying decision. Some women choose late term abortions, some choose to deliver. It depends on the fetal condition and other factors. But it’s none of the prurient business of people who hate women recreationally.

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Anonymous wrote:Is there a scenario in which this medically necessary abortion at birth would actually happen?

No, but Trump mentioned it at the first debate in 2016 and it instantly became gospel.

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Anonymous wrote:So, right up until the woman goes into labor?

NP. Yep. And the conversation and decision should be between her and her doctor. If a woman needs a late trimester abortion it’s not for any sort of casual reason, is most likely urgent or an emergency, and there should be zero barriers to access in any state nor any risk for the doctor to be prosecuted.

+1. Abortions that late cost $20K, and require travel for several days to one of the few clinics in the country that does it. No one is getting an abortion in the 3rd trimester for frivolous reasons. Many didn’t know earlier about serious fetal anomalies or knew but took time to consult with specialists, try therapies or hope that development would head in a more positive direction.

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Anonymous wrote:How is this even a question? 1000% support my daughter to choose what she does with her body. And no, it’s not a BaBy! At 20 weeks a clump of cells the size of a golfball. If she needed later, I would trust what her doctor said. So unAmerican to be against a woman’s right to control her own destiny.

20 weeks? I only ever knew of one personally that had no knowledge at 16 weeks plus they were pregnant. Obese. I'm pro choice and the decision needs to be made far earlier than 20 weeks. VA had some weird proposed legislation that with a 1 doctor sign off could have allowed a fulll term healthy to be deemed a product. Yes that's ghoulish.

I have no idea if a DD or partner of a DS ever had one. If so it would have been before anyone familiar with them would have thought are they pregnant.

If I remember correctly, the Virginia proposed legislation was in terms of concern for the life of the mother, no? Babies are absolutely delivered early to save the life of the mother. We have friends in Maryland who had a child delivered at 27w due to severe pre-eclampsia. Fortunately, both mother and baby survived. Another woman I know, also with pre-eclampsia, was induced at 35w. Another was delivered at 32w due to a cancer diagnosis while pregnant. An acquaintance of my family also had an induction early in the 3rd trimester due to fimmubent fetal demise.
These situations arent "ghoulish." Bad things happen. Women don't just up and decide at near full term to "abort".

Here's a link to that proposed legislation https://lis.virginia.gov/cgi-bin/legp604.exe?191+ful+HB2491
The language was very simple- removed plural physicians, substantially and irremediably, must to shall on support of product aborted or miscarried. :

§ 18.2-74. When abortion or termination of pregnancy lawful after second trimester of pregnancy....


(a) 1. Said operation is performed in a hospital licensed by the Virginia State Department of Health or operated by the Department of Behavioral Health and Developmental Services.

(b) 2. The physician_ certifies and so_enters in the hospital record of the woman, that in_the physician's medical opinion, based upon_the physician's best clinical judgment, the continuation of the pregnancy is likely to result in the death of the woman or _impair the mental or physical health of the woman.

(c) 3. Measures for life support for the product of such abortion or miscarriage _ shall be available and utilized if there is any clearly visible evidence of viability.

Ok...how is this "ghoulish"? I'm all for abortion or early inductions to save the mother's life. Unfortunately, I know several women with these types of stories. Two of them already had children. It would have been a real tragedy to leave their older children motherless.
Pregnancy can go from perfectly normal to life threatening very quickly, even in this day and age. Some people seem to struggle to realize that.

I’m the above poster. Why wouldn’t someone just have the baby if their life was threatened? Abortion is not an instant procedure. C-section is. Thousands of women have had to have emergency c-sections or induce labor to save their own life before viability and - guess what - the baby dies both ways, only one way is usually cuddled up in a blanket with their mom and the other is having their limbs ripped off one by one.

And before you say there are “other methods” to abortion - you think a doctor who was treating someone whose life was in danger would just say “oh here take this abortion pill, see you in 48 hours!”

Are you literally arguing that we should perform abdominal surgery on a woman with an 8-week recovery and significant risk of complications all so a corpse can be wrapped up in a blanket? Are you insane?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Is there a scenario in which this medically necessary abortion at birth would actually happen?

No. It was a RW/pro-life scare tactic.
If I remember correctly, it gained traction after a Ralph Northam (a pediatric neurologist prior to becoming governor) interview, in which he discussed the hypothetical situation of making a decision regarding resuscitation and/or lifesaving efforts versus just providing comfort care for a baby born with severe health issues, and that decision being made by the mother/parents. I can't remember exact details, but some in the RW/pro-life camp twisted what he said into more nefarious terms.

For being so invested in “God’s will,” the pro-life crowd are heavily invested in pursuing heroic measures on fetuses, no matter how futile. Every other headline on Life News is some variation of “Baby survives despite what doctors said.” They never follow up when said baby dies a gruesome death after months or years of medical torture. I believe all innocent life is valuable and should be cherished, but sometime “God” has made his will abundantly clear and the only humane thing left to do is to honor it.