Fight ends Gaithersburg High School football game

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Anonymous wrote:I'm a teacher in MCPS who has seen my share of craziness in elementary classrooms. It's out of control at this point but I did attend a training on trauma two years ago that discussed the idea of intergenerational trauma. The idea being that trauma can be passed down over the generations impacting the children who might not have ever directly experienced trauma themselves. This link somewhat explains it. https://www.verywellhealth.com/intergenerational-trauma-5191638

I'm not excusing this mess and we need to do better but as someone on the front lines every day, I don't know how you go about solving these issues. More and more students are completely dysregulated and really don't have coping skills. They fly off the handle for the most minor things. Personally, I only have six years left until retirement and I cannot wait!

It's a problem that will be solved slowly over generations. In the meantime, throwing these violent thugs in with kids who's families don't have/condone violence is just bringing those kids down ans exposing them to trauma at school that they shouldn't be. It's shameful.
If a fight broke out between teachers in a classroom there would be interventions and trauma teams in place. But because it happened on a field with teenage boys It's no big deal, I guess.

One of the news videos showed a teenage looking girl fighting a police officer. This is shameful behavior that children shouldn't be exposed to.

So what discpline will MCPS give her? Restorative justice? Will that involve sitting down with the police officer she assaulted and have the two of them work something out? Share thoughts and feelings? See how they both contributed to the situation?

It sounds flippant but I am serious. My child was assaulted four times at school last year, and he did these restorative justice sessions. Which I don't mind, and feel the assistant principals handled them pretty well. It helped both kids humanize the other. That's why I want to see the girl sit down with the cop. With the anti-police atmosphere we have right now in schools, I am willing to bet she thought it was OK to assault a cop. The explicit message in MCPS is that police are bad and should not be on school grounds.

This is a problem. Our political leaders have sent this message loud and clear. I’m looking at you, Will Jawando.

Bingo! The county council has been behind a ton of the anti-police rhetoric in the county. I credit our officers for showing up and doing their jobs, especially since kids (and politicians who behave like kids) are so disrespectful toward them.

I know I mean sure they keep killing minorities on camera even but still....

Nope. Not falling for that. Over 99% of all police interactions use absolutely no use of force. Don’t believe what Twitter tells you. MCPD’s statistics are open to the public and you are welcome to view them.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I'm a teacher in MCPS who has seen my share of craziness in elementary classrooms. It's out of control at this point but I did attend a training on trauma two years ago that discussed the idea of intergenerational trauma. The idea being that trauma can be passed down over the generations impacting the children who might not have ever directly experienced trauma themselves. This link somewhat explains it. https://www.verywellhealth.com/intergenerational-trauma-5191638

I'm not excusing this mess and we need to do better but as someone on the front lines every day, I don't know how you go about solving these issues. More and more students are completely dysregulated and really don't have coping skills. They fly off the handle for the most minor things. Personally, I only have six years left until retirement and I cannot wait!

It's a problem that will be solved slowly over generations. In the meantime, throwing these violent thugs in with kids who's families don't have/condone violence is just bringing those kids down ans exposing them to trauma at school that they shouldn't be. It's shameful.
If a fight broke out between teachers in a classroom there would be interventions and trauma teams in place. But because it happened on a field with teenage boys It's no big deal, I guess.

One of the news videos showed a teenage looking girl fighting a police officer. This is shameful behavior that children shouldn't be exposed to.

So what discpline will MCPS give her? Restorative justice? Will that involve sitting down with the police officer she assaulted and have the two of them work something out? Share thoughts and feelings? See how they both contributed to the situation?

It sounds flippant but I am serious. My child was assaulted four times at school last year, and he did these restorative justice sessions. Which I don't mind, and feel the assistant principals handled them pretty well. It helped both kids humanize the other. That's why I want to see the girl sit down with the cop. With the anti-police atmosphere we have right now in schools, I am willing to bet she thought it was OK to assault a cop. The explicit message in MCPS is that police are bad and should not be on school grounds.

This is a problem. Our political leaders have sent this message loud and clear. I’m looking at you, Will Jawando.

Bingo! The county council has been behind a ton of the anti-police rhetoric in the county. I credit our officers for showing up and doing their jobs, especially since kids (and politicians who behave like kids) are so disrespectful toward them.

I know I mean sure they keep killing minorities on camera even but still....

Some areas of the country have a sincere problem with racist cops. This ain't one of them.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I'm a teacher in MCPS who has seen my share of craziness in elementary classrooms. It's out of control at this point but I did attend a training on trauma two years ago that discussed the idea of intergenerational trauma. The idea being that trauma can be passed down over the generations impacting the children who might not have ever directly experienced trauma themselves. This link somewhat explains it. https://www.verywellhealth.com/intergenerational-trauma-5191638

I'm not excusing this mess and we need to do better but as someone on the front lines every day, I don't know how you go about solving these issues. More and more students are completely dysregulated and really don't have coping skills. They fly off the handle for the most minor things. Personally, I only have six years left until retirement and I cannot wait!

It's a problem that will be solved slowly over generations. In the meantime, throwing these violent thugs in with kids who's families don't have/condone violence is just bringing those kids down ans exposing them to trauma at school that they shouldn't be. It's shameful.
If a fight broke out between teachers in a classroom there would be interventions and trauma teams in place. But because it happened on a field with teenage boys It's no big deal, I guess.

One of the news videos showed a teenage looking girl fighting a police officer. This is shameful behavior that children shouldn't be exposed to.

So what discpline will MCPS give her? Restorative justice? Will that involve sitting down with the police officer she assaulted and have the two of them work something out? Share thoughts and feelings? See how they both contributed to the situation?

It sounds flippant but I am serious. My child was assaulted four times at school last year, and he did these restorative justice sessions. Which I don't mind, and feel the assistant principals handled them pretty well. It helped both kids humanize the other. That's why I want to see the girl sit down with the cop. With the anti-police atmosphere we have right now in schools, I am willing to bet she thought it was OK to assault a cop. The explicit message in MCPS is that police are bad and should not be on school grounds.

It was a brawl. 2 people were fighting and when the cop tried to breaking up she turned around and started swinging at him. I'm sure she wasn't thinking, "police have been instrumental in continuing institutionalized racial injustice for far too long!"
She was swinging because she probably didn't get time outs on the stairs to cool off before naming and discussing her emotions growing up.

BTW, you can refuse the restorative justice bs the schools are trying to implement. My dc has been attacked at school last year and he just said No, which I support. It's not his job to parent his peers.

Thank you for the information on declining the RJ. My son's mouth started several of the fights. I thought it was a good lesson for him afterward.

I go to all the football games at my kids' schools. And in the past two years, I have watched students taunt and badmouth the two police officers at the games (usually dealing with traffic). Students are definitely getting the message at schools that cops are bad.

Really? You feel that words your son said contributed to a physical beating? Are you a kid beater, yourself?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm a teacher in MCPS who has seen my share of craziness in elementary classrooms. It's out of control at this point but I did attend a training on trauma two years ago that discussed the idea of intergenerational trauma. The idea being that trauma can be passed down over the generations impacting the children who might not have ever directly experienced trauma themselves. This link somewhat explains it. https://www.verywellhealth.com/intergenerational-trauma-5191638

I'm not excusing this mess and we need to do better but as someone on the front lines every day, I don't know how you go about solving these issues. More and more students are completely dysregulated and really don't have coping skills. They fly off the handle for the most minor things. Personally, I only have six years left until retirement and I cannot wait!

It's a problem that will be solved slowly over generations. In the meantime, throwing these violent thugs in with kids who's families don't have/condone violence is just bringing those kids down ans exposing them to trauma at school that they shouldn't be. It's shameful.
If a fight broke out between teachers in a classroom there would be interventions and trauma teams in place. But because it happened on a field with teenage boys It's no big deal, I guess.

One of the news videos showed a teenage looking girl fighting a police officer. This is shameful behavior that children shouldn't be exposed to.

So what discpline will MCPS give her? Restorative justice? Will that involve sitting down with the police officer she assaulted and have the two of them work something out? Share thoughts and feelings? See how they both contributed to the situation?

It sounds flippant but I am serious. My child was assaulted four times at school last year, and he did these restorative justice sessions. Which I don't mind, and feel the assistant principals handled them pretty well. It helped both kids humanize the other. That's why I want to see the girl sit down with the cop. With the anti-police atmosphere we have right now in schools, I am willing to bet she thought it was OK to assault a cop. The explicit message in MCPS is that police are bad and should not be on school grounds.

It was a brawl. 2 people were fighting and when the cop tried to breaking up she turned around and started swinging at him. I'm sure she wasn't thinking, "police have been instrumental in continuing institutionalized racial injustice for far too long!"
She was swinging because she probably didn't get time outs on the stairs to cool off before naming and discussing her emotions growing up.

BTW, you can refuse the restorative justice bs the schools are trying to implement. My dc has been attacked at school last year and he just said No, which I support. It's not his job to parent his peers.

Thank you for the information on declining the RJ. My son's mouth started several of the fights. I thought it was a good lesson for him afterward.

I go to all the football games at my kids' schools. And in the past two years, I have watched students taunt and badmouth the two police officers at the games (usually dealing with traffic). Students are definitely getting the message at schools that cops are bad.

Really? You feel that words your son said contributed to a physical beating? Are you a kid beater, yourself?

And when did you stop beating your wife?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm a teacher in MCPS who has seen my share of craziness in elementary classrooms. It's out of control at this point but I did attend a training on trauma two years ago that discussed the idea of intergenerational trauma. The idea being that trauma can be passed down over the generations impacting the children who might not have ever directly experienced trauma themselves. This link somewhat explains it. https://www.verywellhealth.com/intergenerational-trauma-5191638

I'm not excusing this mess and we need to do better but as someone on the front lines every day, I don't know how you go about solving these issues. More and more students are completely dysregulated and really don't have coping skills. They fly off the handle for the most minor things. Personally, I only have six years left until retirement and I cannot wait!

It's a problem that will be solved slowly over generations. In the meantime, throwing these violent thugs in with kids who's families don't have/condone violence is just bringing those kids down ans exposing them to trauma at school that they shouldn't be. It's shameful.
If a fight broke out between teachers in a classroom there would be interventions and trauma teams in place. But because it happened on a field with teenage boys It's no big deal, I guess.

One of the news videos showed a teenage looking girl fighting a police officer. This is shameful behavior that children shouldn't be exposed to.

So what discpline will MCPS give her? Restorative justice? Will that involve sitting down with the police officer she assaulted and have the two of them work something out? Share thoughts and feelings? See how they both contributed to the situation?

It sounds flippant but I am serious. My child was assaulted four times at school last year, and he did these restorative justice sessions. Which I don't mind, and feel the assistant principals handled them pretty well. It helped both kids humanize the other. That's why I want to see the girl sit down with the cop. With the anti-police atmosphere we have right now in schools, I am willing to bet she thought it was OK to assault a cop. The explicit message in MCPS is that police are bad and should not be on school grounds.

It was a brawl. 2 people were fighting and when the cop tried to breaking up she turned around and started swinging at him. I'm sure she wasn't thinking, "police have been instrumental in continuing institutionalized racial injustice for far too long!"
She was swinging because she probably didn't get time outs on the stairs to cool off before naming and discussing her emotions growing up.

BTW, you can refuse the restorative justice bs the schools are trying to implement. My dc has been attacked at school last year and he just said No, which I support. It's not his job to parent his peers.

Thank you for the information on declining the RJ. My son's mouth started several of the fights. I thought it was a good lesson for him afterward.

I go to all the football games at my kids' schools. And in the past two years, I have watched students taunt and badmouth the two police officers at the games (usually dealing with traffic). Students are definitely getting the message at schools that cops are bad.

Really? You feel that words your son said contributed to a physical beating? Are you a kid beater, yourself?

And when did you stop beating your wife?

"My son's mouth started several of the fights. I thought (the restorative justice) was a good lesson for him afterwards "

You didn't think getting his butt kicked was lesson enough?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:MC is in serious decline

It's a result of housing segregation... The county politics and NIMBYism is concentrating poverty and related issues based on family income.

Let's stay on topic. You know it's all about loss of socialization skills from being locked down for a year.

Nope. No one was "locked down for a year" and millions of kids emerged from distance learning without turning feral. Bzzzt! Pandemic Victim Card declined.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:MC is in serious decline

It's a result of housing segregation... The county politics and NIMBYism is concentrating poverty and related issues based on family income.

Let's stay on topic. You know it's all about loss of socialization skills from being locked down for a year.

Schools have been back in person for over a year.

And that doesn't mean they suddenly recover from a year of lockdown. These kids are ruined.

Kids are resilient and most have "recovered", whatever that means. This is not about school closures--a lot more is going on and clearly there are problems that need to be addressed, not just blamed on one policy from two years ago.

Really? That's not what we're seeing. The learning loss alone is impacting behaviors. Kids are frustrated they can't read or do math.

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Abject BS. Kids aren't violently attacking each other because they "can't do math." These kids don't give a crap about math or about school. Stick the lame excuses in your ear.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:MC is in serious decline

It's a result of housing segregation... The county politics and NIMBYism is concentrating poverty and related issues based on family income.

Let's stay on topic. You know it's all about loss of socialization skills from being locked down for a year.

Nope. No one was "locked down for a year" and millions of kids emerged from distance learning without turning feral. Bzzzt! Pandemic Victim Card declined.

It wasn't the pandemic that caused it. It was the lockdowns. And you know it. Had these kids been in school the whole time, there wouldn't be nearly the level of violence happening right now.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:MC is in serious decline

It's a result of housing segregation... The county politics and NIMBYism is concentrating poverty and related issues based on family income.

Let's stay on topic. You know it's all about loss of socialization skills from being locked down for a year.

Schools have been back in person for over a year.

And that doesn't mean they suddenly recover from a year of lockdown. These kids are ruined.

Kids are resilient and most have "recovered", whatever that means. This is not about school closures--a lot more is going on and clearly there are problems that need to be addressed, not just blamed on one policy from two years ago.

Really? That's not what we're seeing. The learning loss alone is impacting behaviors. Kids are frustrated they can't read or do math.

If
This

Abject BS. Kids aren't violently attacking each other because they "can't do math." These kids don't give a crap about math or about school. Stick the lame excuses in your ear.

They are frustrated. Yes, there are some kids who don't care. And there are many now who did care, but gave up because they were locked down and had no access to education for a year.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm a teacher in MCPS who has seen my share of craziness in elementary classrooms. It's out of control at this point but I did attend a training on trauma two years ago that discussed the idea of intergenerational trauma. The idea being that trauma can be passed down over the generations impacting the children who might not have ever directly experienced trauma themselves. This link somewhat explains it. https://www.verywellhealth.com/intergenerational-trauma-5191638

I'm not excusing this mess and we need to do better but as someone on the front lines every day, I don't know how you go about solving these issues. More and more students are completely dysregulated and really don't have coping skills. They fly off the handle for the most minor things. Personally, I only have six years left until retirement and I cannot wait!

It's a problem that will be solved slowly over generations. In the meantime, throwing these violent thugs in with kids who's families don't have/condone violence is just bringing those kids down ans exposing them to trauma at school that they shouldn't be. It's shameful.
If a fight broke out between teachers in a classroom there would be interventions and trauma teams in place. But because it happened on a field with teenage boys It's no big deal, I guess.

One of the news videos showed a teenage looking girl fighting a police officer. This is shameful behavior that children shouldn't be exposed to.

So what discpline will MCPS give her? Restorative justice? Will that involve sitting down with the police officer she assaulted and have the two of them work something out? Share thoughts and feelings? See how they both contributed to the situation?

It sounds flippant but I am serious. My child was assaulted four times at school last year, and he did these restorative justice sessions. Which I don't mind, and feel the assistant principals handled them pretty well. It helped both kids humanize the other. That's why I want to see the girl sit down with the cop. With the anti-police atmosphere we have right now in schools, I am willing to bet she thought it was OK to assault a cop. The explicit message in MCPS is that police are bad and should not be on school grounds.

It was a brawl. 2 people were fighting and when the cop tried to breaking up she turned around and started swinging at him. I'm sure she wasn't thinking, "police have been instrumental in continuing institutionalized racial injustice for far too long!"
She was swinging because she probably didn't get time outs on the stairs to cool off before naming and discussing her emotions growing up.

BTW, you can refuse the restorative justice bs the schools are trying to implement. My dc has been attacked at school last year and he just said No, which I support. It's not his job to parent his peers.

Thank you for the information on declining the RJ. My son's mouth started several of the fights. I thought it was a good lesson for him afterward.

I go to all the football games at my kids' schools. And in the past two years, I have watched students taunt and badmouth the two police officers at the games (usually dealing with traffic). Students are definitely getting the message at schools that cops are bad.

Really? You feel that words your son said contributed to a physical beating? Are you a kid beater, yourself?

Your critical thinking skills aren’t the best. Try working through that again.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:MC is in serious decline

It's a result of housing segregation... The county politics and NIMBYism is concentrating poverty and related issues based on family income.

Let's stay on topic. You know it's all about loss of socialization skills from being locked down for a year.

Nope. No one was "locked down for a year" and millions of kids emerged from distance learning without turning feral. Bzzzt! Pandemic Victim Card declined.

It wasn't the pandemic that caused it. It was the lockdowns. And you know it. Had these kids been in school the whole time, there wouldn't be nearly the level of violence happening right now.

dp...for some people, everything is blamed on either the lockdown or past injustices. There is zero accountability and responsibility on the kids, their parents, and the county that removed the SROs even as the Principals in the schools all wanted to keep them.

FYI - I went to a rough HS, and there were fights and brawls everyday.. this was 35 years ago.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:MC is in serious decline

It's a result of housing segregation... The county politics and NIMBYism is concentrating poverty and related issues based on family income.

Let's stay on topic. You know it's all about loss of socialization skills from being locked down for a year.

Schools have been back in person for over a year.

And that doesn't mean they suddenly recover from a year of lockdown. These kids are ruined.

Kids are resilient and most have "recovered", whatever that means. This is not about school closures--a lot more is going on and clearly there are problems that need to be addressed, not just blamed on one policy from two years ago.

Really? That's not what we're seeing. The learning loss alone is impacting behaviors. Kids are frustrated they can't read or do math.

If
This

Abject BS. Kids aren't violently attacking each other because they "can't do math." These kids don't give a crap about math or about school. Stick the lame excuses in your ear.

They are frustrated. Yes, there are some kids who don't care. And there are many now who did care, but gave up because they were locked down and had no access to education for a year.

So, what's your answer? Just let them beat the sh1t out of other kids and teachers? Let the others who don't lash out their frustrations just keep taking a beating? Just let the teachers quit?

Why don't we send all these kids to your house, and you can show us how it's done.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:MC is in serious decline

It's a result of housing segregation... The county politics and NIMBYism is concentrating poverty and related issues based on family income.

Let's stay on topic. You know it's all about loss of socialization skills from being locked down for a year.

Nope. No one was "locked down for a year" and millions of kids emerged from distance learning without turning feral. Bzzzt! Pandemic Victim Card declined.

It wasn't the pandemic that caused it. It was the lockdowns. And you know it. Had these kids been in school the whole time, there wouldn't be nearly the level of violence happening right now.

The lockdowns? LOL
It was a pandemic. Family members were getting sick and dying left and right. Teachers, school staff were dying in MCPS. Contrary to belief in this board, children are not stupid and they recognize a plague. They find it upsetting and react. That is a normal response.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My middle class kids did fine during lowdown. These are poor fatherless POC kids who have no control over their behavior. Poor babies!

Such a generalization. It's only 69% of black children and 52% of latino children born to unmarried women:
https://www.childtrends.org/publications/dramatic-increase-in-percentage-of-births-outside-marriage-among-whites-hispanics-and-women-with-higher-education-levels

That's a whole lot of children who _are_ growing up with a father in the picture.

It doesn't have to be about being fatherless. That's too simplistic. It usually has to do with family challenges, yes, but those could be a parent illness, another sibling with significant mental health challenges, loss of job/income, parental substance misuse, child abuse, etc. Higher income helps mitigate the damage these family problems cause. So you don't see it as often in higher income families. But you still see it.

I agree. I don't think it's that simple or the right focus for this situation. Only 28% of white children are born to unwed mothers. Unwed doesn't mean fatherless. Many couples cohabitate or coparent. Are children who have divorced parents considered fatherless? Fathers are incredibly important, but I think the impact of the past lockdown and current behavior is far more complicated and can't be easily tied to the mom's marital status at birth.

[Anonymous]

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