Daycare Covid policy vent

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:FFS, are they in a 2021 time loop? PCR tests are rarely recmended these days with good reason. Sounds like they want to keep numbers down today for some reason. Totally disrespectful and unprofessional.

You are totally wrong that PCR tests are not recommended! You are part of the denial loop. People who gave up about Covid are not bothering to test which is keeping this virus rampant.

The at home tests do not pick up the strain of Covid early. No entity should accept an at home test for proof of a negative.

The day care was wrong for failing to timely notify you.

You can say this until you are blue in the face, but below is a link to Kaiser Permanente's guide for when to get a PCR test. If you're too lazy to click on the link (my guess is you are), it basically says don't bother with a PCR unless your doctor tells you you need one, or it's being required for an event or activity.


https://healthy.kaiserpermanente.org/content/dam/kporg/covid-19/testing/choose-the-right-covid-test-flier-ada-co-mas-nw-hi-en-2022-9.pdf

Who cares about Kaiser Permanente? When did they become the CDC?

Well they are my medical provider and determine when I can access PCR tests so I care. But sure, I bet they are going rogue against public health guidance and can just ignore them since it doesn't fit with your world view.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:OP here - we got the updated COVID policy from daycare today. Our rules include:

- everyone over 2 wears a mask, regardless of vaccination status
- no parents in the building, and no line allowed outside the building. Parents must wait in their car if another parent is at the door for pickup/drop off
- kids can’t come to school if they, or anyone else in the family, has one or more of these symptoms: fever, coughing, runny or stuffy nose, difficulty breathing, headache, stomach pain, diarrhea, or vomit
- if the kid has the above symptoms, they need a PCR to come back
- if we go out of town, the entire family needs to take rapid tests before the kid can come back
- we have to notify the daycare of a positive COVID case in the house (definitely reasonable)
- we have to notify the daycare if anyone in the house was exposed to COVID, regardless of test results

This is not what we agreed to when we enrolled. We’re going to start looking for a new daycare… unless this is just normal in the DMV?

That is not normal. Where are you located? DC, Maryland or Virginia?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP here - we got the updated COVID policy from daycare today. Our rules include:

- everyone over 2 wears a mask, regardless of vaccination status
- no parents in the building, and no line allowed outside the building. Parents must wait in their car if another parent is at the door for pickup/drop off
- kids can’t come to school if they, or anyone else in the family, has one or more of these symptoms: fever, coughing, runny or stuffy nose, difficulty breathing, headache, stomach pain, diarrhea, or vomit
- if the kid has the above symptoms, they need a PCR to come back
- if we go out of town, the entire family needs to take rapid tests before the kid can come back
- we have to notify the daycare of a positive COVID case in the house (definitely reasonable)
- we have to notify the daycare if anyone in the house was exposed to COVID, regardless of test results

This is not what we agreed to when we enrolled. We’re going to start looking for a new daycare… unless this is just normal in the DMV?

Yeah, not normal. The MOST onerous are the ones I bolded.

My daycare actually requires a negative test to return after cold symptoms, and this seems fine. I wouldn't be mad if that was PCR (it isn't, they accept a photo of a negative antigen test, which obviously is easily faked, but who would do that?). But they don't care if anyone in the household has symptoms, and kids can return when symptoms are improving but lingering cough/runny mnose is fine. Travel is just crazy and makes no sense. Exposure notification is OK as long as they don't act on it. Kids even can come to school with a COVID positive parent (they may request antigen testing, not sure).

Even this is more than a lot of places are doing.

Definitely not normal. Immediately PP's experience is similar to my daycare. Adults are allowed in the building/classrooms provided they're masked, too. Definitely look for somewhere new, OP.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Are you in DC proper, OP? We recently left a daycare in Arlington that I thought was nuts, but this is a new level of insane. Does this daycare intend to go out of business? Because it is a very small minority of people left willing to agree to that nonsense.

No, we’re in MoCo. They’re trying to sell this as requirements the State is imposing. It’s clearly not. I wouldn’t mind the test to return if you have Covid symptoms (rapid or PCR as long as we have advanced notice… but they’re fine for a rapid test for out of town travel, so what’s the logic there?). But they really think I’m not going to send my kid to school when I have a headache? That’s the day they definitely go.

Agree with all the PPs that these rules are extreme and very onerous. But lying to say it's required is really beyond the pale. MoCo has eased up its rules on quarantines etc as well. You should coordinate with other parents to see how they are feeling and try to talk to the daycare. Or just find another if you have lost trust.

[Anonymous]

I'd forge a report and move forward. The end.

[Anonymous]

I run a daycare in Montgomery county and The county is not imposing those guidelines anymore. Your daycare might have ulterior motives and is hiding behind the state and county with these ridiculous requirements. In Maryland and in Montgomery county children over two are absolutely not required to wear a mask, or quarantine and especially not household. That is completely intrusive. Ask to see where they are getting their guidelines and regulations from. They will not be able to provide one for you because they are making them up.

But at this point I think you should find a different daycare

[Anonymous]

I’m sorry, OP. You are right to look for a new daycare. I’ve been on the more-cautious side of Covid generally, and these policies are very extreme. They look like they are designed in a way such that you will never be able to send your child! Good luck in finding a better care arrangement for your family. It’s really sad that this provider thinks this is reasonable.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Also, at this point we need to be having the "who cares" conversation if someone gets COVID. Daycare populations = usually toddlers and young women. These are not high-risk populations generally, and if you as an individual teacher or child are high-risk, then you personally should not work at or attend a daycare. The onus should be on individuals to get as fully vaccinated and boosted as possible (including toddlers, who can now be vaccinated) and then if someone gets COVID, treat it like the flu.

No there are a lot of older women as well and pregnant women so not everyone is low risk.

Yes if I find out Sunday night daycare suddenly required PCR instead of rapid tests would be annoyed since it would likely mean missing a day of work. (Another single mom here.) OTH if it was a response to an evolving situation I would also get the lack of notice even if I was annoyed about it.

Then those individuals can either find another job (nanny for example) with lower exposure or choose to wear a high-quality mask. My child's daycare has strict policies but I never see staff wearing N95, KN95 masks. Yes they are totally annoying to wear all day (my relatives work in healthcare and wear them 12h at a time). But if you are worried about your risk as an adult htere are steps you can take

The “steps they can take” also include the policy OP is whining about.

I meant steps they can take that affect themselves, not others around them who are lower risk.

[Anonymous]

https://earlychildhood.marylandpublicschools.org/system/files/filedepot/3/covid_guidance_full_080420.pdf


https://www.montgomerycountymd.gov/HHS-Program/CYF/MCCCRRC/ResourcesandLinks.html

These links may help you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:FFS, are they in a 2021 time loop? PCR tests are rarely recmended these days with good reason. Sounds like they want to keep numbers down today for some reason. Totally disrespectful and unprofessional.

You are totally wrong that PCR tests are not recommended! You are part of the denial loop. People who gave up about Covid are not bothering to test which is keeping this virus rampant.

The at home tests do not pick up the strain of Covid early. No entity should accept an at home test for proof of a negative.

The day care was wrong for failing to timely notify you.

You can say this until you are blue in the face, but below is a link to Kaiser Permanente's guide for when to get a PCR test. If you're too lazy to click on the link (my guess is you are), it basically says don't bother with a PCR unless your doctor tells you you need one, or it's being required for an event or activity.


https://healthy.kaiserpermanente.org/content/dam/kporg/covid-19/testing/choose-the-right-covid-test-flier-ada-co-mas-nw-hi-en-2022-9.pdf

Who cares about Kaiser Permanente? When did they become the CDC?

Well they are my medical provider and determine when I can access PCR tests so I care. But sure, I bet they are going rogue against public health guidance and can just ignore them since it doesn't fit with your world view.

For me, Kaiser will let me get a PCR if I want to - even if they don't recommend it.

And like a PP said, CDC also doesn't push PCRs. I don't really care if daycares require it though, as long as they communicate in advance.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:FFS, are they in a 2021 time loop? PCR tests are rarely recmended these days with good reason. Sounds like they want to keep numbers down today for some reason. Totally disrespectful and unprofessional.

You are totally wrong that PCR tests are not recommended! You are part of the denial loop. People who gave up about Covid are not bothering to test which is keeping this virus rampant.

The at home tests do not pick up the strain of Covid early. No entity should accept an at home test for proof of a negative.

The day care was wrong for failing to timely notify you.

You can say this until you are blue in the face, but below is a link to Kaiser Permanente's guide for when to get a PCR test. If you're too lazy to click on the link (my guess is you are), it basically says don't bother with a PCR unless your doctor tells you you need one, or it's being required for an event or activity.


https://healthy.kaiserpermanente.org/content/dam/kporg/covid-19/testing/choose-the-right-covid-test-flier-ada-co-mas-nw-hi-en-2022-9.pdf

Who cares about Kaiser Permanente? When did they become the CDC?

Well they are my medical provider and determine when I can access PCR tests so I care. But sure, I bet they are going rogue against public health guidance and can just ignore them since it doesn't fit with your world view.

For me, Kaiser will let me get a PCR if I want to - even if they don't recommend it.

And like a PP said, CDC also doesn't push PCRs. I don't really care if daycares require it though, as long as they communicate in advance.

Right, they currently do allow it, doesn't mean they always will.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It sounds like they’re shifting policy to reflect that rapids oftentimes aren’t working on this strain and need PCR to diagnose. They’ve likely had an uptick in illness they’re trying to curb as well. I had a child home the entire second week of school bc of respiratory infection and we got PCR bc rapids are unreliable right now. It absolutely sucks and I’m sorry they notified you last minute.

What are you on, lady? I have three kids who, as you can imagine go through all sorts of stuff. None of the pediatricians we’ve seen have recommended a PCR test, beyond doing it as part of a panel for other stuff a while back for one kid. , what is this “unreliable at home tests for this strain?” If you have symptoms they are plenty reliable. They aren’t as COvID test trigger happy anymore and rightfully so!

To OP - this sucks! I am sorry!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It sounds like they’re shifting policy to reflect that rapids oftentimes aren’t working on this strain and need PCR to diagnose. They’ve likely had an uptick in illness they’re trying to curb as well. I had a child home the entire second week of school bc of respiratory infection and we got PCR bc rapids are unreliable right now. It absolutely sucks and I’m sorry they notified you last minute.

What are you on, lady? I have three kids who, as you can imagine go through all sorts of stuff. None of the pediatricians we’ve seen have recommended a PCR test, beyond doing it as part of a panel for other stuff a while back for one kid. , what is this “unreliable at home tests for this strain?” If you have symptoms they are plenty reliable. They aren’t as COvID test trigger happy anymore and rightfully so!

To OP - this sucks! I am sorry!

+1 I know many people who tested positive on a rapid at home. They are useful tools. They are much more reliably accurate if you use them 2 days in a row, according to my sister who is a physician (and super COVID cautious).

[Anonymous]

Our preschool requires everyone 2 and up to be vaccinated. Price of admission. But that also means we go to school unless have COvID and then return masked after 5d.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I run a daycare in Montgomery county and The county is not imposing those guidelines anymore. Your daycare might have ulterior motives and is hiding behind the state and county with these ridiculous requirements. In Maryland and in Montgomery county children over two are absolutely not required to wear a mask, or quarantine and especially not household. That is completely intrusive. Ask to see where they are getting their guidelines and regulations from. They will not be able to provide one for you because they are making them up.

But at this point I think you should find a different daycare

Thanks for sharing this info! I ended up calling the licensing office today (did NOT provide the name of my daycare) just to get clarity on what the actual rules are vs what’s up to our provider’s discretion. It turns out the fact that they refuse to allow parents inside the facility is a licensing violation, and has been since MARCH when the licensing agency contacted all the daycares to let them know this Covid rule had expired. Maryland requires childcare facilities to give parents access without an appointment any time their child is being cared for. Our kid had their birthday party well after the restrictions were lifted, and my husband and I asked if we could be there and were denied access. And it might be stupid, but realizing they denied us that opportunity, especially when they have no right to, makes me really sad. We’re looking elsewhere, but I’m also going to talk to some of the other parents. - OP