Daycare Covid policy vent

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:FFS, are they in a 2021 time loop? PCR tests are rarely recmended these days with good reason. Sounds like they want to keep numbers down today for some reason. Totally disrespectful and unprofessional.

You are totally wrong that PCR tests are not recommended! You are part of the denial loop. People who gave up about Covid are not bothering to test which is keeping this virus rampant.

The at home tests do not pick up the strain of Covid early. No entity should accept an at home test for proof of a negative.

The day care was wrong for failing to timely notify you.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:is this 2020? I don't have a kid in daycare, but it seems like daycares are keeping these draconian policies because it is financially beneficial to them (you have to pay, but they don't need staff to watch your kid).

This is such a stupid take, and of course you are saying it while having no experience with daycare. If they are short staffed, that’s far more likely to be due to workers catching covid from kids than due to some scheme to keep kids out of the daycare for fun and profit.

If OP's child has been exposed and she wasn't notified (she says her child was not exposed so she clearly has not been notified), that's a huge failure on the part of the child care provider. If the workers are "catching covid from kids" then OP's child would have been exposed, and the child care provider needs to disclose that if they want to be responsible.

Oh dear lord. If the daycare had 2-3 workers test positive for covid over the weekend, does it not seem remotely within the realm of possibility to you that they caught it from kids at the daycare, in which it would make sense to have anyone who has shown symptoms in the past week so a PCR test to confirm they don’t have covid before coming back? Sure, they could require everyone at the daycare to do that, but that just means excluding more kids.

AGAIN THE CHILD CARE PROVIDER NEEDS TO DISCLOSE COVID CASES TO THE FAMILIES. You are acting like COVID prevention is a one-way street. It's all on the families, the provider has no responsibility whatsover? jfc.

OP hasn’t shared what the policy is. It may be that notifications of cases go out to only classes where the known case occurred, and maybe OP’s kid isn’t in one of those classes. The at can be true and yet at the same time there can also be enough cases all at once that the daycare feels it needs to do a widespread case check in case the outbreak is worse than they realize.

[Anonymous]

Op, what is the COVID policy?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:is this 2020? I don't have a kid in daycare, but it seems like daycares are keeping these draconian policies because it is financially beneficial to them (you have to pay, but they don't need staff to watch your kid).

This is such a stupid take, and of course you are saying it while having no experience with daycare. If they are short staffed, that’s far more likely to be due to workers catching covid from kids than due to some scheme to keep kids out of the daycare for fun and profit.

If OP's child has been exposed and she wasn't notified (she says her child was not exposed so she clearly has not been notified), that's a huge failure on the part of the child care provider. If the workers are "catching covid from kids" then OP's child would have been exposed, and the child care provider needs to disclose that if they want to be responsible.

Oh dear lord. If the daycare had 2-3 workers test positive for covid over the weekend, does it not seem remotely within the realm of possibility to you that they caught it from kids at the daycare, in which it would make sense to have anyone who has shown symptoms in the past week so a PCR test to confirm they don’t have covid before coming back? Sure, they could require everyone at the daycare to do that, but that just means excluding more kids.

AGAIN THE CHILD CARE PROVIDER NEEDS TO DISCLOSE COVID CASES TO THE FAMILIES. You are acting like COVID prevention is a one-way street. It's all on the families, the provider has no responsibility whatsover? jfc.

OP hasn’t shared what the policy is. It may be that notifications of cases go out to only classes where the known case occurred, and maybe OP’s kid isn’t in one of those classes. The at can be true and yet at the same time there can also be enough cases all at once that the daycare feels it needs to do a widespread case check in case the outbreak is worse than they realize.

What is stopping the provider from saying, "Due to a high number of cases in our center, we are requiring XYZ"? If there are cases in my child's center, I would like to know about it. I would like to know if I should skip Monday night dinner with my elderly, vulnerable parents this week (who want all the time with their grandchild they can get, since they missed so much in the first year of the pandemic). Is that so much to ask? Why would a provider NOT explain that COVID cases are the reason for a policy that prevents families from accessing child care and puts a major strain on their livelihoods?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:is this 2020? I don't have a kid in daycare, but it seems like daycares are keeping these draconian policies because it is financially beneficial to them (you have to pay, but they don't need staff to watch your kid).

This is such a stupid take, and of course you are saying it while having no experience with daycare. If they are short staffed, that’s far more likely to be due to workers catching covid from kids than due to some scheme to keep kids out of the daycare for fun and profit.

If OP's child has been exposed and she wasn't notified (she says her child was not exposed so she clearly has not been notified), that's a huge failure on the part of the child care provider. If the workers are "catching covid from kids" then OP's child would have been exposed, and the child care provider needs to disclose that if they want to be responsible.

Oh dear lord. If the daycare had 2-3 workers test positive for covid over the weekend, does it not seem remotely within the realm of possibility to you that they caught it from kids at the daycare, in which it would make sense to have anyone who has shown symptoms in the past week so a PCR test to confirm they don’t have covid before coming back? Sure, they could require everyone at the daycare to do that, but that just means excluding more kids.

AGAIN THE CHILD CARE PROVIDER NEEDS TO DISCLOSE COVID CASES TO THE FAMILIES. You are acting like COVID prevention is a one-way street. It's all on the families, the provider has no responsibility whatsover? jfc.

OP hasn’t shared what the policy is. It may be that notifications of cases go out to only classes where the known case occurred, and maybe OP’s kid isn’t in one of those classes. The at can be true and yet at the same time there can also be enough cases all at once that the daycare feels it needs to do a widespread case check in case the outbreak is worse than they realize.

What is stopping the provider from saying, "Due to a high number of cases in our center, we are requiring XYZ"? If there are cases in my child's center, I would like to know about it. I would like to know if I should skip Monday night dinner with my elderly, vulnerable parents this week (who want all the time with their grandchild they can get, since they missed so much in the first year of the pandemic). Is that so much to ask? Why would a provider NOT explain that COVID cases are the reason for a policy that prevents families from accessing child care and puts a major strain on their livelihoods?

Are you OP? OP hasn’t posted the text of the notice so no one but OP knows what was or was not included in the email.

But either way, if you are that concerned about your elderly, vulnerable parents and had a sick kid in the house, the prudent thing would be to get PCRs before seeing them just to make sure, regardless of what’s happening with the daycare.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:FFS, are they in a 2021 time loop? PCR tests are rarely recmended these days with good reason. Sounds like they want to keep numbers down today for some reason. Totally disrespectful and unprofessional.

You are totally wrong that PCR tests are not recommended! You are part of the denial loop. People who gave up about Covid are not bothering to test which is keeping this virus rampant.

The at home tests do not pick up the strain of Covid early. No entity should accept an at home test for proof of a negative.

The day care was wrong for failing to timely notify you.

You can say this until you are blue in the face, but below is a link to Kaiser Permanente's guide for when to get a PCR test. If you're too lazy to click on the link (my guess is you are), it basically says don't bother with a PCR unless your doctor tells you you need one, or it's being required for an event or activity.


https://healthy.kaiserpermanente.org/content/dam/kporg/covid-19/testing/choose-the-right-covid-test-flier-ada-co-mas-nw-hi-en-2022-9.pdf

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Anonymous wrote:is this 2020? I don't have a kid in daycare, but it seems like daycares are keeping these draconian policies because it is financially beneficial to them (you have to pay, but they don't need staff to watch your kid).

This is such a stupid take, and of course you are saying it while having no experience with daycare. If they are short staffed, that’s far more likely to be due to workers catching covid from kids than due to some scheme to keep kids out of the daycare for fun and profit.

If OP's child has been exposed and she wasn't notified (she says her child was not exposed so she clearly has not been notified), that's a huge failure on the part of the child care provider. If the workers are "catching covid from kids" then OP's child would have been exposed, and the child care provider needs to disclose that if they want to be responsible.

Oh dear lord. If the daycare had 2-3 workers test positive for covid over the weekend, does it not seem remotely within the realm of possibility to you that they caught it from kids at the daycare, in which it would make sense to have anyone who has shown symptoms in the past week so a PCR test to confirm they don’t have covid before coming back? Sure, they could require everyone at the daycare to do that, but that just means excluding more kids.

AGAIN THE CHILD CARE PROVIDER NEEDS TO DISCLOSE COVID CASES TO THE FAMILIES. You are acting like COVID prevention is a one-way street. It's all on the families, the provider has no responsibility whatsover? jfc.

OP hasn’t shared what the policy is. It may be that notifications of cases go out to only classes where the known case occurred, and maybe OP’s kid isn’t in one of those classes. The at can be true and yet at the same time there can also be enough cases all at once that the daycare feels it needs to do a widespread case check in case the outbreak is worse than they realize.

What is stopping the provider from saying, "Due to a high number of cases in our center, we are requiring XYZ"? If there are cases in my child's center, I would like to know about it. I would like to know if I should skip Monday night dinner with my elderly, vulnerable parents this week (who want all the time with their grandchild they can get, since they missed so much in the first year of the pandemic). Is that so much to ask? Why would a provider NOT explain that COVID cases are the reason for a policy that prevents families from accessing child care and puts a major strain on their livelihoods?

Are you OP? OP hasn’t posted the text of the notice so no one but OP knows what was or was not included in the email.

But either way, if you are that concerned about your elderly, vulnerable parents and had a sick kid in the house, the prudent thing would be to get PCRs before seeing them just to make sure, regardless of what’s happening with the daycare.

No, I am not OP, who clearly said her child was not exposed. If there were multiple cases at her daycare that would be an odd thing to say, so clearly that was not in the notice.

It is not practical to get a PCR test every week before seeing grandparents, nor is it recommended. Rapid tests are a great resource. No, they do not catch every COVID case. Neither do PCRs. I tested negative on a PCR the day before I tested positive on a rapid. I was lucky not to spread COVID to my parents because we knew there were multiple cases at DD's daycare, so we stayed away from my parents before she tested positive.

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Anonymous wrote:Absolutely right to be livid. I’m super pissed for you. Who is going to have a PCR in the morning? I’d show up with my kid and demand they take them. Bring a rapid test and do it right there.

People who thought ahead instead of tantruming on DCUM and booked an early morning PCR test at an urgent care where they can get the test results right away.

Doesn’t matter how early this morning you booked a PCR, you don’t get the results back for at least a day.

There are urgent cares that do same-day onsite PCR testing. Results usually take about 2 hours.

Rapid PCRs ain't cheap.

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Anonymous wrote:Absolutely right to be livid. I’m super pissed for you. Who is going to have a PCR in the morning? I’d show up with my kid and demand they take them. Bring a rapid test and do it right there.

People who thought ahead instead of tantruming on DCUM and booked an early morning PCR test at an urgent care where they can get the test results right away.

Doesn’t matter how early this morning you booked a PCR, you don’t get the results back for at least a day.

There are urgent cares that do same-day onsite PCR testing. Results usually take about 2 hours.

Sorry, but not everyone has the money to pay for the rush turnaround. Everywhere I’ve tried, it’s been $200+.

[Anonymous]

The reason that PCRs are not recommended for routine testing is that it is not realistic to expect people to get PCR tests multiple times over a few days. It can take a long time to test positive after an exposure, even on a PCR. You can test negative on a PCR test one day, and then positive the next day. With a rapid test, a single test might be less accurate, but it ends up being more useful because you can test for 5 days in a row and catch a COVID case ASAP. With the PCR if people assume negative means negative and don't keep testing, many cases get missed.

[Anonymous]

This would piss me off because of the timing. I don't mind changing policies as much but the last-minute update for something parents cannot do before the following morning is a huge issue.

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I think people are being pretty unrealistic in their expectations here. People have been screaming for a year for daycares to loosen their testing and exclusion policies so kids don’t have to be out of daycare as much, but the obvious consequence of that loosening was going to be that more potential outbreaks would arise that would require sudden responses like this. The options are either strict testing and exclusion policies (e.g., every symptom requires a full 10 day exclusion or a negative PCR at least five days after onset of symptoms (with exclusion in the meantime) to minimize the risk of outbreaks, or we have looser policies where kids can return with nothing but a negative at-home rapid once they are symptom free, and accept the risk of more potential outbreaks that necessitate sudden/unexpected disruptions where there is evidence of an outbreak. This isn’t 2019 people, we can’t pretend covid simply doesn’t exist and expect that won’t have consequences.

As for the last minute notice, for all we know that’s when the daycare management learned of the issue. Do you really think the better solution would be to let potentially contagious kids come into the daycare for a day or two until they can get a PCR and turn music hour into a superspreader event in the meantime?

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Anonymous wrote:I think people are being pretty unrealistic in their expectations here. People have been screaming for a year for daycares to loosen their testing and exclusion policies so kids don’t have to be out of daycare as much, but the obvious consequence of that loosening was going to be that more potential outbreaks would arise that would require sudden responses like this. The options are either strict testing and exclusion policies (e.g., every symptom requires a full 10 day exclusion or a negative PCR at least five days after onset of symptoms (with exclusion in the meantime) to minimize the risk of outbreaks, or we have looser policies where kids can return with nothing but a negative at-home rapid once they are symptom free, and accept the risk of more potential outbreaks that necessitate sudden/unexpected disruptions where there is evidence of an outbreak. This isn’t 2019 people, we can’t pretend covid simply doesn’t exist and expect that won’t have consequences.

As for the last minute notice, for all we know that’s when the daycare management learned of the issue. Do you really think the better solution would be to let potentially contagious kids come into the daycare for a day or two until they can get a PCR and turn music hour into a superspreader event in the meantime?

Your obsession with PCRs is not justified by the science of COVID and COVID tests. If you can't do multiple PCR tests over several days they are not going to do much to prevent outbreaks. A child can test negative one day and positive the next, but nobody is doing PCRs two days in row.

[Anonymous]

OP, are you in Alexandria? Our daycare keeps requiring PCR tests and it's infuriating (and I have a spouse and some WFH ability).

[Anonymous]

Also, at this point we need to be having the "who cares" conversation if someone gets COVID. Daycare populations = usually toddlers and young women. These are not high-risk populations generally, and if you as an individual teacher or child are high-risk, then you personally should not work at or attend a daycare. The onus should be on individuals to get as fully vaccinated and boosted as possible (including toddlers, who can now be vaccinated) and then if someone gets COVID, treat it like the flu.