Daycare Covid policy vent

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:OP here - we got the updated COVID policy from daycare today. Our rules include:

- everyone over 2 wears a mask, regardless of vaccination status
- no parents in the building, and no line allowed outside the building. Parents must wait in their car if another parent is at the door for pickup/drop off
- kids can’t come to school if they, or anyone else in the family, has one or more of these symptoms: fever, coughing, runny or stuffy nose, difficulty breathing, headache, stomach pain, diarrhea, or vomit
- if the kid has the above symptoms, they need a PCR to come back
- if we go out of town, the entire family needs to take rapid tests before the kid can come back
- we have to notify the daycare of a positive COVID case in the house (definitely reasonable)
- we have to notify the daycare if anyone in the house was exposed to COVID, regardless of test results

This is not what we agreed to when we enrolled. We’re going to start looking for a new daycare… unless this is just normal in the DMV?

No, no this is not normal, and yes if I were in your shoes I would look for another daycare. I am sure the provider has their reasons for implementing such a policy, but I would not stay. For me, the most problematic thing is that it is likely against regulation to completely prohibit parents from entering the building. That is just a basic aspect of child care, it's not like you need to be going in all the time but you have a right to see the facility from time to time. The PCR requirement is super annoying and unnecessary, personally I could cope with that because we have fairly easy access to PCR testing and it would be just one day out of daycare which is reasonable when a child first shows symptoms. But I don't know if it will continue to be easy to get PCRs and get results by the next morning. The requirement to notify the provider of an exposure sounds like a precurser to excluding kids from care and honestly I just can't. I have a job. And the masking, well I will just say that my child has done so, so much better at her daycare after they dropped masks so that would also be a big issue for me.

For reference, our MoCo daycare does not require masks, encourages parents to enter the classroom with their kids, and their illness policy is the same as it was pre-pandemic, with the exception of if the child has COVID they probably need to follow CDC guidelines.

DD's teacher told me this morning the entire class has a cough and cold (DD has it too, we kept her home for a day). Nobody has tested positive (and yes we are testing).

[Anonymous]

The hysteria is really something. So happy to be moving to Florida where normal people live normal lives.

[Anonymous]

Did they go back to 2021? I would be looking elsewhere, too,

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:OP here - we got the updated COVID policy from daycare today. Our rules include:

- everyone over 2 wears a mask, regardless of vaccination status
- no parents in the building, and no line allowed outside the building. Parents must wait in their car if another parent is at the door for pickup/drop off
- kids can’t come to school if they, or anyone else in the family, has one or more of these symptoms: fever, coughing, runny or stuffy nose, difficulty breathing, headache, stomach pain, diarrhea, or vomit
- if the kid has the above symptoms, they need a PCR to come back
- if we go out of town, the entire family needs to take rapid tests before the kid can come back
- we have to notify the daycare of a positive COVID case in the house (definitely reasonable)
- we have to notify the daycare if anyone in the house was exposed to COVID, regardless of test results

This is not what we agreed to when we enrolled. We’re going to start looking for a new daycare… unless this is just normal in the DMV?

That’s crazy— definitely not normal. My kid goes to a preschool with policies established by a parent board that mostly consists of scientists. No masks. Parents allowed in the classrooms. No quarantines, including for household contacts. Rapid tests are allowed. No special travel provisions.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:OP here - we got the updated COVID policy from daycare today. Our rules include:

- everyone over 2 wears a mask, regardless of vaccination status
- no parents in the building, and no line allowed outside the building. Parents must wait in their car if another parent is at the door for pickup/drop off
- kids can’t come to school if they, or anyone else in the family, has one or more of these symptoms: fever, coughing, runny or stuffy nose, difficulty breathing, headache, stomach pain, diarrhea, or vomit
- if the kid has the above symptoms, they need a PCR to come back
- if we go out of town, the entire family needs to take rapid tests before the kid can come back
- we have to notify the daycare of a positive COVID case in the house (definitely reasonable)
- we have to notify the daycare if anyone in the house was exposed to COVID, regardless of test results

This is not what we agreed to when we enrolled. We’re going to start looking for a new daycare… unless this is just normal in the DMV?

Yeah, not normal. The MOST onerous are the ones I bolded.

My daycare actually requires a negative test to return after cold symptoms, and this seems fine. I wouldn't be mad if that was PCR (it isn't, they accept a photo of a negative antigen test, which obviously is easily faked, but who would do that?). But they don't care if anyone in the household has symptoms, and kids can return when symptoms are improving but lingering cough/runny mnose is fine. Travel is just crazy and makes no sense. Exposure notification is OK as long as they don't act on it. Kids even can come to school with a COVID positive parent (they may request antigen testing, not sure).

Even this is more than a lot of places are doing.

[Anonymous]

Are you in DC proper, OP? We recently left a daycare in Arlington that I thought was nuts, but this is a new level of insane. Does this daycare intend to go out of business? Because it is a very small minority of people left willing to agree to that nonsense.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:OP here - we got the updated COVID policy from daycare today. Our rules include:

- everyone over 2 wears a mask, regardless of vaccination status
- no parents in the building, and no line allowed outside the building. Parents must wait in their car if another parent is at the door for pickup/drop off
- kids can’t come to school if they, or anyone else in the family, has one or more of these symptoms: fever, coughing, runny or stuffy nose, difficulty breathing, headache, stomach pain, diarrhea, or vomit
- if the kid has the above symptoms, they need a PCR to come back
- if we go out of town, the entire family needs to take rapid tests before the kid can come back
- we have to notify the daycare of a positive COVID case in the house (definitely reasonable)
- we have to notify the daycare if anyone in the house was exposed to COVID, regardless of test results

This is not what we agreed to when we enrolled. We’re going to start looking for a new daycare… unless this is just normal in the DMV?

Wow that is intense. Our in home doesn't allow parents inside. No masks required for anyone. Kids can go if stuffy noses only and run clear snot because if they didnt noone would go to daycare.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote: What I said was that requiring a PCR for a previously-symptomatic child to return to daycare before a full 10-day exclusion could help prevent a superspreader event. That is in line with CDC guidance and that of other medical professionals. I did not say that would be the only policy put into place to prevent superspreader events.

A 10-day exclusion is not the current CDC guidance. Current guidance as of August states you don’t have to stay home after exposure if you don’t develop symptoms. It recommends testing 6 days after a known exposure, and you can end your isolation with a negative test. Even if the child had tested positive, which OP’s didn’t, CDC says isolation can end “after day 5 if you are fever free for 24 hours”.

If they can mask consistently. If they can't, because they are under 2, or are in a program that includes nap or meals, then it's 10 days according to CDC.

That’s not accurate. Even for kids that cannot mask in ECE programs, the baseline recommendation from the CDC is still 5 days, provided the child is fever-free for 24 hours without fever-reducing medication and other symptoms are improving. The CDC says 10-day isolation would be safer, but also says that you need to consider the impact of the loss of access to education and care on the well-being of children and families.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Are you in DC proper, OP? We recently left a daycare in Arlington that I thought was nuts, but this is a new level of insane. Does this daycare intend to go out of business? Because it is a very small minority of people left willing to agree to that nonsense.

No, we’re in MoCo. They’re trying to sell this as requirements the State is imposing. It’s clearly not. I wouldn’t mind the test to return if you have Covid symptoms (rapid or PCR as long as we have advanced notice… but they’re fine for a rapid test for out of town travel, so what’s the logic there?). But they really think I’m not going to send my kid to school when I have a headache? That’s the day they definitely go.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Are you in DC proper, OP? We recently left a daycare in Arlington that I thought was nuts, but this is a new level of insane. Does this daycare intend to go out of business? Because it is a very small minority of people left willing to agree to that nonsense.

No, we’re in MoCo. They’re trying to sell this as requirements the State is imposing. It’s clearly not. I wouldn’t mind the test to return if you have Covid symptoms (rapid or PCR as long as we have advanced notice… but they’re fine for a rapid test for out of town travel, so what’s the logic there?). But they really think I’m not going to send my kid to school when I have a headache? That’s the day they definitely go.

That's incredibly disrespectful to blatantly lie like that.

I can sort of forgive daycares that were under the impression quarantines used to be required for exposures. That was never required, but the county and the state licensing specialists wanted you to believe they were. But the OP's really takes it to another level. There's no way they actually believe any of those are required.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:FFS, are they in a 2021 time loop? PCR tests are rarely recmended these days with good reason. Sounds like they want to keep numbers down today for some reason. Totally disrespectful and unprofessional.

You are totally wrong that PCR tests are not recommended! You are part of the denial loop. People who gave up about Covid are not bothering to test which is keeping this virus rampant.

The at home tests do not pick up the strain of Covid early. No entity should accept an at home test for proof of a negative.

The day care was wrong for failing to timely notify you.

You can say this until you are blue in the face, but below is a link to Kaiser Permanente's guide for when to get a PCR test. If you're too lazy to click on the link (my guess is you are), it basically says don't bother with a PCR unless your doctor tells you you need one, or it's being required for an event or activity.


https://healthy.kaiserpermanente.org/content/dam/kporg/covid-19/testing/choose-the-right-covid-test-flier-ada-co-mas-nw-hi-en-2022-9.pdf

Who cares about Kaiser Permanente? When did they become the CDC?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Also, at this point we need to be having the "who cares" conversation if someone gets COVID. Daycare populations = usually toddlers and young women. These are not high-risk populations generally, and if you as an individual teacher or child are high-risk, then you personally should not work at or attend a daycare. The onus should be on individuals to get as fully vaccinated and boosted as possible (including toddlers, who can now be vaccinated) and then if someone gets COVID, treat it like the flu.

Nope. Wrong.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Also, at this point we need to be having the "who cares" conversation if someone gets COVID. Daycare populations = usually toddlers and young women. These are not high-risk populations generally, and if you as an individual teacher or child are high-risk, then you personally should not work at or attend a daycare. The onus should be on individuals to get as fully vaccinated and boosted as possible (including toddlers, who can now be vaccinated) and then if someone gets COVID, treat it like the flu.

No there are a lot of older women as well and pregnant women so not everyone is low risk.

Yes if I find out Sunday night daycare suddenly required PCR instead of rapid tests would be annoyed since it would likely mean missing a day of work. (Another single mom here.) OTH if it was a response to an evolving situation I would also get the lack of notice even if I was annoyed about it.

Then those individuals can either find another job (nanny for example) with lower exposure or choose to wear a high-quality mask. My child's daycare has strict policies but I never see staff wearing N95, KN95 masks. Yes they are totally annoying to wear all day (my relatives work in healthcare and wear them 12h at a time). But if you are worried about your risk as an adult htere are steps you can take

The “steps they can take” also include the policy OP is whining about.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The hysteria is really something. So happy to be moving to Florida where normal people live normal lives.

Florida? ROFL. Enjoy life among the other dim bulbs. You’ll fit right in.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:FFS, are they in a 2021 time loop? PCR tests are rarely recmended these days with good reason. Sounds like they want to keep numbers down today for some reason. Totally disrespectful and unprofessional.

You are totally wrong that PCR tests are not recommended! You are part of the denial loop. People who gave up about Covid are not bothering to test which is keeping this virus rampant.

The at home tests do not pick up the strain of Covid early. No entity should accept an at home test for proof of a negative.

The day care was wrong for failing to timely notify you.

You can say this until you are blue in the face, but below is a link to Kaiser Permanente's guide for when to get a PCR test. If you're too lazy to click on the link (my guess is you are), it basically says don't bother with a PCR unless your doctor tells you you need one, or it's being required for an event or activity.


https://healthy.kaiserpermanente.org/content/dam/kporg/covid-19/testing/choose-the-right-covid-test-flier-ada-co-mas-nw-hi-en-2022-9.pdf

Who cares about Kaiser Permanente? When did they become the CDC?

The CDC doesn’t care between PCRs and antigen tests, either. Except if you’ve had covid recently, in which case they say to NOT get a PCR.