Septic, liters of blood lost and on a breathing machine

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Anonymous wrote:More and more horror stories like this.

I don't doubt this happened, but I'm unclear on why the hospital thought that induction did not risk a violation, but D&E did? Either way, it's terminating the pregnancy. Is the Louisiana law written in a way that makes induction legal? Assuming there is a fetal heartbeat. Or was there no heartbeat, but the hospital lawyers were advising that they needed new compliance/documentation policies for D&E, since they are usually (but not always) for an abortion? That latter makes sense to me.

If theres is a heart beat the MD cannot stop it as part of the procedure, The fetus’ heart must naturally stops while it is being born, or as soon as it’s born. With a D&C, the medical procedure stops the heart. It’s the difference between “killing” the fetus and having the fetus die on ins own during childbirth. Just like with ectopics. If there is still a heartbeat, you must wait, even if the tube ruptures. Or remove the tube with the fetus and allow the fetus to die immediately (and imperil mom’s future fertility.

It ‘s considered murder by Catholinas punless the fetus has a “natural death”.

I’m was raised Catholic, and that was the thought then.

Again: in pain shall you bring forth children. The goal isn’t to make it easier, safer or less dangerous for the mom. .

Right, you're stating Catholic doctrine, but not the actual Louisiana law. The LA law says "No person may knowingly use or employ any instrument or procedure upon a pregnant woman with the specific intent of causing or abetting the termination of the life of an unborn human being." The "procedure" of an induction on a 16-week pregnancy falls into this definition because it has the specific intent of causing or abetting termination. "Specific intent" in the law isn't the same as the Catholic doctrine of direct/indirect effect -- meaning, that the intent here is to preserve the woman's health, not to kill the fetus. "Specific intent" just means that the doctor knows that the induction will kill the fetus. Otherwise, the Louisiana law would have a giant loophole that allowed any medical abortion.

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Anonymous wrote:Why do these states want to destroy their maternal healthcare systems?

It’s biblical. I kid you not. Due to Eve’s original sin, “I will sharply increase the pain of childbirth. In pain shall you bring forth children”. Genesis 3:16. I was raised with this ash*t.

In the Cristofascist state Of the American Taliban, you have to live out Handmaid Amy and I Like Beers! belief that childbirth is supposed to be traumatic and painful. You in pain yet?

I’m the OP of this thread and thank you. I grew up in this, too. It’s like none of these people understand how visceral is the misogyny among forced birthers, and I can read easily the subtle “oof, you guys are over the top” tone in some replies (not so much in this thread, but definitely in others). Truly, it’s almost clownish how much they hate women and want to see them punished for existing and they don’t really try to hide it.

The whole forced birther movement exists to punish women, because it is rooted in a world in which women are inherently worth less than men. The cruelty is the point.

Oh yeah. I grew up in the South and stumbled into a woman's studies minor in college. Which impacted the rest of my life so much. I married someone who considered me a true equal. Was a full partner in raising kids. Supported my career as much as I supported his, etc. Which is a different thread. (And, BTW, why College terrifies Cons so much).

But as part of one class, we looked at how deliveries with no pain meds are the gold standard. The choice of “good mothers” who want what’s best for their children. And women who want an epidural or need a C-section had a “less than birth”. And in the South, I certainly had women become uncomfortable and say they were sorry that I had a C-section. I actually had people ask if I was I upset I had not had a “real birth experience”. (Nope. I mean, I came home with a beautiful baby, so no regrets here).

That was about 1990. More tha 30 years later. And 20 years after I gave birth, we can do amazing new things with pain relief, nerve stimulators, etc FFS, we have CRISPER and the COVID shot technology. But there has not been a single advancement pain relief in childcare. Because having laboring women suffer is part of Gods plan. If men gave birth, the technology would exis5 for it to be painless— and timed tp avoid major sporting events.

Today, you still have L&D nurses who try to talk women out of pain meds and epidurals. C“You can do it. Just a few more minutes”) . Because a “good mother” ( wants a medication free delivery.

A god fearing woman accepts the original sin of Eve and ( in my moms words) “offers it up”. SMDH

I don't know. I gave birth three times and all three times not only was I offered an epidural multiple times, but there was a definite push to have it earlier rather than later. I haven't at all experienced any pressure to avoid medication.

I saw an opinion piece shortly before Hobbs during the formula shortage basically advocating for women to leave the workforce to nurse their babies. In the article, use of epidurals in labor was mentioned as a cause of insufficient milk supply.

Ha! My kids were drinking milk like it was water from a firehose. The woo around childbirth has gotten completely out of control. I don’t blame women for wanting to reclaim control, they have very valid reasons for it especially given the treatment their moms and grandmas faced, but an undercurrent of misogyny really is running through the whole thing.

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I hesitate to say it as a White woman, but it feels like misogyny and patriarchy are the waters within which we all swim. It pervades every fiber of almost every society on earth.