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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]More and more horror stories like this.

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I don't doubt this happened, but I'm unclear on why the hospital thought that induction did not risk a violation, but D&E did?  Either way, it's terminating the pregnancy.  Is the Louisiana law written in a way that makes induction legal?  Assuming there is a fetal heartbeat. Or was there no heartbeat, but the hospital lawyers were advising that they needed new compliance/documentation policies for D&E, since they are usually (but not always) for an abortion?  That latter makes sense to me. [/quote]

If theres is a heart beat the MD cannot stop it as part of the procedure, The  fetus’ heart must naturally stops while it is being born, or as soon as it’s born. With a D&C, the medical procedure stops the heart. It’s the difference between “killing” the fetus and having the fetus die on ins own during childbirth. Just like with ectopics. If there is still a heartbeat, you must wait, even if the tube ruptures. Or remove the tube with the fetus and allow the fetus to die immediately (and imperil mom’s future fertility.

It ‘s considered murder by Catholinas punless the fetus has a “natural death”.

I’m was raised Catholic, and that was the thought then.

Again: in pain shall you bring forth children. The goal isn’t to make it easier, safer or less dangerous for the mom. . [/quote]

Right, you're stating Catholic doctrine, but not the actual Louisiana law. The LA law says "No person may knowingly use or employ any instrument or procedure upon a pregnant woman with the specific intent of causing or abetting the termination of the life of an unborn human being."  The "procedure" of an induction on a 16-week pregnancy falls into this definition because it has the specific intent of causing or abetting termination.  "Specific intent" in the law isn't the same as the Catholic doctrine of direct/indirect effect -- meaning, that the intent here is to preserve the woman's health, not to kill the fetus.  "Specific intent" just means that the doctor knows that the induction will kill the fetus.  Otherwise, the Louisiana law would have a giant loophole that allowed any medical abortion.  [/quote]

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