Proposal to Stop Enforcing Speeding Tickets

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Anonymous wrote:This is great news. The state shouldn't be able to take away the ability of hard working people to get to their jobs. This is another nail in the coffin of generational poverty for BIPOC.

Gotta love the idea that BIPOC can’t possibly just drive safely or follow the law. Casual racism displays itself in many ways.

This. Years ago, I was offered a ride by immigrant Hispanic neighbors I knew from our kids' school. I was young and stupid and not strictly inclined to use my seatbelt, but they politely asked me to belt up so they wouldn't get stopped by MPD (or wouldn't be found to have violated any rules if they were stopped for some other reason). They were right about safety but also right to insist on basic precautions to avoid citations they couldn't afford. I don't understand why this can't be a basic expectation for everyone. People who can't moderate their speed shouldn't drive, and should expect consequences if they do.

And yet it’s been empirically proven that cameras are placed disproportionately in predominantly Black communities.
https://www.thenewspaper.com/rlc/docs/2018/dc-policycenter.pdf

I’m confused. Is your argument that speed cameras are causing black people to speed? It’s very simple, don’t speed, and you won’t get a ticket. The speed camera being present doesn’t change that.

Then why don't they put them in predominantly White neighborhoods?

There are plenty of cameras in predominantly white neighborhoods. They are put in areas where there is rampant speeding or other traffic safety issues. Traffic fatalities are much higher in areas EOTR. It would be racist for the city to not try to do something about that.

What's your source? More made up BS pulled from the crack of your arse.

Here’s the source, ya tosser: https://www.arcgis.com/apps/dashboards/a2f1cca5159e4c6eae197895d2e08336

DP but what is this link supposed to demonstrate exactly?

It’s the DC crash data. It shows that fatal accidents are much higher EOTR than in the rest of the city.

Okay. But what does that have to do with why there are not more cameras in white areas of the city?

Uh, the city puts the cameras where the fatal accidents are to try to reduce the number of people being killed at those locations. More people are being killed in black neighborhoods and so, to try to stop people from being killed in those neighborhoods, that’s where the cameras go. Would you prefer that the city ignore people being killed?

I would think the city should put it in places where people speed to prevent fatal accidents from happening. I see post after post here from presumably people who live in mostly white areas complaining about MD and VA speeders in their neighborhoods. Don’t you want that behavior curtailed so that they don’t kill someone? I guess not.

Let’s take this in for a second. There is not a single speed camera on Connecticut Ave, not Wisconsin Ave, nor McArthur Blvd, nor New Mexico Ave, nor Foxhall.

There is one, and only one, camera on the entirety of Mass Ave in Ward 3 and only one on Reno Rd, which is new. There used to be one on Reno that was removed years ago.

I don’t want you to hear a single complaint from people about speeding in any Ward 3 neighborhood, ever.

As stated earlier, the city installs cameras only after studying accident rates and rate of speed. If there are no cameras on a certain street, that means there's little reason to install them.

There are five red-light cameras, two stop-sign cameras and 10 speed cameras in Ward 3. To say there aren't any is a lie.

And yet, there are significant areas with high accident rates in NW DC where gaps in camera coverage are obvious. The racial disparities in automated enforcement could not be more obvious or more clear, no matter how you try to spin the justifications.

Thanks for the heat map. Do you have another picture of where cameras are currently set up?

The camera locations are the cyan circles. The size of the circle represents the revenue the camera generates. This is from the DC Policy Center.

It’s not camera placement “racism”. The cameras go where the accidents are mostly happening. Not everything is a racial issue. People are getting fed up every grievance being primarily viewed through a single lens. There are instances of terrible racism for which outrage should be allocated, however if 44% of accidents happen in a certain part of the city, and this is a very progressive city, so I’m having a hard time imagining this is just some plot by a nefarious councils of blatantly racist camera placement officials, but more so advice from traffic planners and others with a transpiration background in safety. Why jump to the most sensationalist conclusions? Jesus fking Christ.

So you’re just going to ignore that huge gap in NW where there are high accident rates and no cameras?

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DC couldn't implement income-adjusted day fines a la Finland - that is, the fine associated with your traffic violation is scaled according to your income - without accessing IRS records and that would create its own concerns. But they do know the make, model and year of the vehicle you are driving and, with that, can approximate its value. If you import a car to DC, the DC DMV uses this information anytime to levy an excise tax. So why not just scale fines according to the approximate value of your vehicle? Wouldn't that be fairer than a uniform fine? Would it be too hard for the Council to implement?

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Anonymous wrote:This is great news. The state shouldn't be able to take away the ability of hard working people to get to their jobs. This is another nail in the coffin of generational poverty for BIPOC.

Gotta love the idea that BIPOC can’t possibly just drive safely or follow the law. Casual racism displays itself in many ways.

This. Years ago, I was offered a ride by immigrant Hispanic neighbors I knew from our kids' school. I was young and stupid and not strictly inclined to use my seatbelt, but they politely asked me to belt up so they wouldn't get stopped by MPD (or wouldn't be found to have violated any rules if they were stopped for some other reason). They were right about safety but also right to insist on basic precautions to avoid citations they couldn't afford. I don't understand why this can't be a basic expectation for everyone. People who can't moderate their speed shouldn't drive, and should expect consequences if they do.

And yet it’s been empirically proven that cameras are placed disproportionately in predominantly Black communities.
https://www.thenewspaper.com/rlc/docs/2018/dc-policycenter.pdf

I’m confused. Is your argument that speed cameras are causing black people to speed? It’s very simple, don’t speed, and you won’t get a ticket. The speed camera being present doesn’t change that.

Then why don't they put them in predominantly White neighborhoods?

There are plenty of cameras in predominantly white neighborhoods. They are put in areas where there is rampant speeding or other traffic safety issues. Traffic fatalities are much higher in areas EOTR. It would be racist for the city to not try to do something about that.

What's your source? More made up BS pulled from the crack of your arse.

Here’s the source, ya tosser: https://www.arcgis.com/apps/dashboards/a2f1cca5159e4c6eae197895d2e08336

DP but what is this link supposed to demonstrate exactly?

It’s the DC crash data. It shows that fatal accidents are much higher EOTR than in the rest of the city.

Okay. But what does that have to do with why there are not more cameras in white areas of the city?

Uh, the city puts the cameras where the fatal accidents are to try to reduce the number of people being killed at those locations. More people are being killed in black neighborhoods and so, to try to stop people from being killed in those neighborhoods, that’s where the cameras go. Would you prefer that the city ignore people being killed?

I would think the city should put it in places where people speed to prevent fatal accidents from happening. I see post after post here from presumably people who live in mostly white areas complaining about MD and VA speeders in their neighborhoods. Don’t you want that behavior curtailed so that they don’t kill someone? I guess not.

Let’s take this in for a second. There is not a single speed camera on Connecticut Ave, not Wisconsin Ave, nor McArthur Blvd, nor New Mexico Ave, nor Foxhall.

There is one, and only one, camera on the entirety of Mass Ave in Ward 3 and only one on Reno Rd, which is new. There used to be one on Reno that was removed years ago.

I don’t want you to hear a single complaint from people about speeding in any Ward 3 neighborhood, ever.

As stated earlier, the city installs cameras only after studying accident rates and rate of speed. If there are no cameras on a certain street, that means there's little reason to install them.

There are five red-light cameras, two stop-sign cameras and 10 speed cameras in Ward 3. To say there aren't any is a lie.

And yet, there are significant areas with high accident rates in NW DC where gaps in camera coverage are obvious. The racial disparities in automated enforcement could not be more obvious or more clear, no matter how you try to spin the justifications.

Thanks for the heat map. Do you have another picture of where cameras are currently set up?

The camera locations are the cyan circles. The size of the circle represents the revenue the camera generates. This is from the DC Policy Center.

It’s not camera placement “racism”. The cameras go where the accidents are mostly happening. Not everything is a racial issue. People are getting fed up every grievance being primarily viewed through a single lens. There are instances of terrible racism for which outrage should be allocated, however if 44% of accidents happen in a certain part of the city, and this is a very progressive city, so I’m having a hard time imagining this is just some plot by a nefarious councils of blatantly racist camera placement officials, but more so advice from traffic planners and others with a transpiration background in safety. Why jump to the most sensationalist conclusions? Jesus fking Christ.

So you’re just going to ignore that huge gap in NW where there are high accident rates and no cameras?

Where did you get that map from? It looks very outdated.

Other posts use data on current camera locations to show that they are not located disproportionately EOTR. That these cameras generate more revenue is not a good argument for removing them.

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Anonymous wrote:This is great news. The state shouldn't be able to take away the ability of hard working people to get to their jobs. This is another nail in the coffin of generational poverty for BIPOC.

Gotta love the idea that BIPOC can’t possibly just drive safely or follow the law. Casual racism displays itself in many ways.

This. Years ago, I was offered a ride by immigrant Hispanic neighbors I knew from our kids' school. I was young and stupid and not strictly inclined to use my seatbelt, but they politely asked me to belt up so they wouldn't get stopped by MPD (or wouldn't be found to have violated any rules if they were stopped for some other reason). They were right about safety but also right to insist on basic precautions to avoid citations they couldn't afford. I don't understand why this can't be a basic expectation for everyone. People who can't moderate their speed shouldn't drive, and should expect consequences if they do.

And yet it’s been empirically proven that cameras are placed disproportionately in predominantly Black communities.
https://www.thenewspaper.com/rlc/docs/2018/dc-policycenter.pdf

I’m confused. Is your argument that speed cameras are causing black people to speed? It’s very simple, don’t speed, and you won’t get a ticket. The speed camera being present doesn’t change that.

Then why don't they put them in predominantly White neighborhoods?

There are plenty of cameras in predominantly white neighborhoods. They are put in areas where there is rampant speeding or other traffic safety issues. Traffic fatalities are much higher in areas EOTR. It would be racist for the city to not try to do something about that.

What's your source? More made up BS pulled from the crack of your arse.

Here’s the source, ya tosser: https://www.arcgis.com/apps/dashboards/a2f1cca5159e4c6eae197895d2e08336

DP but what is this link supposed to demonstrate exactly?

It’s the DC crash data. It shows that fatal accidents are much higher EOTR than in the rest of the city.

Okay. But what does that have to do with why there are not more cameras in white areas of the city?

Uh, the city puts the cameras where the fatal accidents are to try to reduce the number of people being killed at those locations. More people are being killed in black neighborhoods and so, to try to stop people from being killed in those neighborhoods, that’s where the cameras go. Would you prefer that the city ignore people being killed?

I would think the city should put it in places where people speed to prevent fatal accidents from happening. I see post after post here from presumably people who live in mostly white areas complaining about MD and VA speeders in their neighborhoods. Don’t you want that behavior curtailed so that they don’t kill someone? I guess not.

Let’s take this in for a second. There is not a single speed camera on Connecticut Ave, not Wisconsin Ave, nor McArthur Blvd, nor New Mexico Ave, nor Foxhall.

There is one, and only one, camera on the entirety of Mass Ave in Ward 3 and only one on Reno Rd, which is new. There used to be one on Reno that was removed years ago.

I don’t want you to hear a single complaint from people about speeding in any Ward 3 neighborhood, ever.

As stated earlier, the city installs cameras only after studying accident rates and rate of speed. If there are no cameras on a certain street, that means there's little reason to install them.

There are five red-light cameras, two stop-sign cameras and 10 speed cameras in Ward 3. To say there aren't any is a lie.

And yet, there are significant areas with high accident rates in NW DC where gaps in camera coverage are obvious. The racial disparities in automated enforcement could not be more obvious or more clear, no matter how you try to spin the justifications.

Thanks for the heat map. Do you have another picture of where cameras are currently set up?

The camera locations are the cyan circles. The size of the circle represents the revenue the camera generates. This is from the DC Policy Center.

It’s not camera placement “racism”. The cameras go where the accidents are mostly happening. Not everything is a racial issue. People are getting fed up every grievance being primarily viewed through a single lens. There are instances of terrible racism for which outrage should be allocated, however if 44% of accidents happen in a certain part of the city, and this is a very progressive city, so I’m having a hard time imagining this is just some plot by a nefarious councils of blatantly racist camera placement officials, but more so advice from traffic planners and others with a transpiration background in safety. Why jump to the most sensationalist conclusions? Jesus fking Christ.

So you’re just going to ignore that huge gap in NW where there are high accident rates and no cameras?

We must be looking at different maps.

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Anonymous wrote:This is great news. The state shouldn't be able to take away the ability of hard working people to get to their jobs. This is another nail in the coffin of generational poverty for BIPOC.

Gotta love the idea that BIPOC can’t possibly just drive safely or follow the law. Casual racism displays itself in many ways.

This. Years ago, I was offered a ride by immigrant Hispanic neighbors I knew from our kids' school. I was young and stupid and not strictly inclined to use my seatbelt, but they politely asked me to belt up so they wouldn't get stopped by MPD (or wouldn't be found to have violated any rules if they were stopped for some other reason). They were right about safety but also right to insist on basic precautions to avoid citations they couldn't afford. I don't understand why this can't be a basic expectation for everyone. People who can't moderate their speed shouldn't drive, and should expect consequences if they do.

And yet it’s been empirically proven that cameras are placed disproportionately in predominantly Black communities.
https://www.thenewspaper.com/rlc/docs/2018/dc-policycenter.pdf

I’m confused. Is your argument that speed cameras are causing black people to speed? It’s very simple, don’t speed, and you won’t get a ticket. The speed camera being present doesn’t change that.

Then why don't they put them in predominantly White neighborhoods?

There are plenty of cameras in predominantly white neighborhoods. They are put in areas where there is rampant speeding or other traffic safety issues. Traffic fatalities are much higher in areas EOTR. It would be racist for the city to not try to do something about that.

What's your source? More made up BS pulled from the crack of your arse.

Here’s the source, ya tosser: https://www.arcgis.com/apps/dashboards/a2f1cca5159e4c6eae197895d2e08336

DP but what is this link supposed to demonstrate exactly?

It’s the DC crash data. It shows that fatal accidents are much higher EOTR than in the rest of the city.

Okay. But what does that have to do with why there are not more cameras in white areas of the city?

Uh, the city puts the cameras where the fatal accidents are to try to reduce the number of people being killed at those locations. More people are being killed in black neighborhoods and so, to try to stop people from being killed in those neighborhoods, that’s where the cameras go. Would you prefer that the city ignore people being killed?

I would think the city should put it in places where people speed to prevent fatal accidents from happening. I see post after post here from presumably people who live in mostly white areas complaining about MD and VA speeders in their neighborhoods. Don’t you want that behavior curtailed so that they don’t kill someone? I guess not.

Let’s take this in for a second. There is not a single speed camera on Connecticut Ave, not Wisconsin Ave, nor McArthur Blvd, nor New Mexico Ave, nor Foxhall.

There is one, and only one, camera on the entirety of Mass Ave in Ward 3 and only one on Reno Rd, which is new. There used to be one on Reno that was removed years ago.

I don’t want you to hear a single complaint from people about speeding in any Ward 3 neighborhood, ever.

As stated earlier, the city installs cameras only after studying accident rates and rate of speed. If there are no cameras on a certain street, that means there's little reason to install them.

There are five red-light cameras, two stop-sign cameras and 10 speed cameras in Ward 3. To say there aren't any is a lie.

And yet, there are significant areas with high accident rates in NW DC where gaps in camera coverage are obvious. The racial disparities in automated enforcement could not be more obvious or more clear, no matter how you try to spin the justifications.

Thanks for the heat map. Do you have another picture of where cameras are currently set up?

The camera locations are the cyan circles. The size of the circle represents the revenue the camera generates. This is from the DC Policy Center.

It’s not camera placement “racism”. The cameras go where the accidents are mostly happening. Not everything is a racial issue. People are getting fed up every grievance being primarily viewed through a single lens. There are instances of terrible racism for which outrage should be allocated, however if 44% of accidents happen in a certain part of the city, and this is a very progressive city, so I’m having a hard time imagining this is just some plot by a nefarious councils of blatantly racist camera placement officials, but more so advice from traffic planners and others with a transpiration background in safety. Why jump to the most sensationalist conclusions? Jesus fking Christ.

So you’re just going to ignore that huge gap in NW where there are high accident rates and no cameras?

Where did you get that map from? It looks very outdated.

Other posts use data on current camera locations to show that they are not located disproportionately EOTR. That these cameras generate more revenue is not a good argument for removing them.

The question is not where the cameras are, it’s where the are not. The claim is that they target areas with high accident rates. While that is true EOTR. That is not true in NW.

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Anonymous wrote:This is great news. The state shouldn't be able to take away the ability of hard working people to get to their jobs. This is another nail in the coffin of generational poverty for BIPOC.

Gotta love the idea that BIPOC can’t possibly just drive safely or follow the law. Casual racism displays itself in many ways.

This. Years ago, I was offered a ride by immigrant Hispanic neighbors I knew from our kids' school. I was young and stupid and not strictly inclined to use my seatbelt, but they politely asked me to belt up so they wouldn't get stopped by MPD (or wouldn't be found to have violated any rules if they were stopped for some other reason). They were right about safety but also right to insist on basic precautions to avoid citations they couldn't afford. I don't understand why this can't be a basic expectation for everyone. People who can't moderate their speed shouldn't drive, and should expect consequences if they do.

And yet it’s been empirically proven that cameras are placed disproportionately in predominantly Black communities.
https://www.thenewspaper.com/rlc/docs/2018/dc-policycenter.pdf

I’m confused. Is your argument that speed cameras are causing black people to speed? It’s very simple, don’t speed, and you won’t get a ticket. The speed camera being present doesn’t change that.

Then why don't they put them in predominantly White neighborhoods?

There are plenty of cameras in predominantly white neighborhoods. They are put in areas where there is rampant speeding or other traffic safety issues. Traffic fatalities are much higher in areas EOTR. It would be racist for the city to not try to do something about that.

What's your source? More made up BS pulled from the crack of your arse.

Here’s the source, ya tosser: https://www.arcgis.com/apps/dashboards/a2f1cca5159e4c6eae197895d2e08336

DP but what is this link supposed to demonstrate exactly?

It’s the DC crash data. It shows that fatal accidents are much higher EOTR than in the rest of the city.

Okay. But what does that have to do with why there are not more cameras in white areas of the city?

Uh, the city puts the cameras where the fatal accidents are to try to reduce the number of people being killed at those locations. More people are being killed in black neighborhoods and so, to try to stop people from being killed in those neighborhoods, that’s where the cameras go. Would you prefer that the city ignore people being killed?

I would think the city should put it in places where people speed to prevent fatal accidents from happening. I see post after post here from presumably people who live in mostly white areas complaining about MD and VA speeders in their neighborhoods. Don’t you want that behavior curtailed so that they don’t kill someone? I guess not.

Let’s take this in for a second. There is not a single speed camera on Connecticut Ave, not Wisconsin Ave, nor McArthur Blvd, nor New Mexico Ave, nor Foxhall.

There is one, and only one, camera on the entirety of Mass Ave in Ward 3 and only one on Reno Rd, which is new. There used to be one on Reno that was removed years ago.

I don’t want you to hear a single complaint from people about speeding in any Ward 3 neighborhood, ever.

As stated earlier, the city installs cameras only after studying accident rates and rate of speed. If there are no cameras on a certain street, that means there's little reason to install them.

There are five red-light cameras, two stop-sign cameras and 10 speed cameras in Ward 3. To say there aren't any is a lie.

And yet, there are significant areas with high accident rates in NW DC where gaps in camera coverage are obvious. The racial disparities in automated enforcement could not be more obvious or more clear, no matter how you try to spin the justifications.

Thanks for the heat map. Do you have another picture of where cameras are currently set up?

The camera locations are the cyan circles. The size of the circle represents the revenue the camera generates. This is from the DC Policy Center.

It’s not camera placement “racism”. The cameras go where the accidents are mostly happening. Not everything is a racial issue. People are getting fed up every grievance being primarily viewed through a single lens. There are instances of terrible racism for which outrage should be allocated, however if 44% of accidents happen in a certain part of the city, and this is a very progressive city, so I’m having a hard time imagining this is just some plot by a nefarious councils of blatantly racist camera placement officials, but more so advice from traffic planners and others with a transpiration background in safety. Why jump to the most sensationalist conclusions? Jesus fking Christ.

So you’re just going to ignore that huge gap in NW where there are high accident rates and no cameras?

Where did you get that map from? It looks very outdated.

Other posts use data on current camera locations to show that they are not located disproportionately EOTR. That these cameras generate more revenue is not a good argument for removing them.

The question is not where the cameras are, it’s where the are not. The claim is that they target areas with high accident rates. While that is true EOTR. That is not true in NW.

Where exactly should they be then? I want more cameras in NW but it’s also true that over 2016-22, there have only been a handful of fatal accidents in Ward 3 and certainly not enough to establish a pattern.

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Anonymous wrote:This is great news. The state shouldn't be able to take away the ability of hard working people to get to their jobs. This is another nail in the coffin of generational poverty for BIPOC.

Gotta love the idea that BIPOC can’t possibly just drive safely or follow the law. Casual racism displays itself in many ways.

This. Years ago, I was offered a ride by immigrant Hispanic neighbors I knew from our kids' school. I was young and stupid and not strictly inclined to use my seatbelt, but they politely asked me to belt up so they wouldn't get stopped by MPD (or wouldn't be found to have violated any rules if they were stopped for some other reason). They were right about safety but also right to insist on basic precautions to avoid citations they couldn't afford. I don't understand why this can't be a basic expectation for everyone. People who can't moderate their speed shouldn't drive, and should expect consequences if they do.

And yet it’s been empirically proven that cameras are placed disproportionately in predominantly Black communities.
https://www.thenewspaper.com/rlc/docs/2018/dc-policycenter.pdf

I’m confused. Is your argument that speed cameras are causing black people to speed? It’s very simple, don’t speed, and you won’t get a ticket. The speed camera being present doesn’t change that.

Then why don't they put them in predominantly White neighborhoods?

There are plenty of cameras in predominantly white neighborhoods. They are put in areas where there is rampant speeding or other traffic safety issues. Traffic fatalities are much higher in areas EOTR. It would be racist for the city to not try to do something about that.

What's your source? More made up BS pulled from the crack of your arse.

Here’s the source, ya tosser: https://www.arcgis.com/apps/dashboards/a2f1cca5159e4c6eae197895d2e08336

DP but what is this link supposed to demonstrate exactly?

It’s the DC crash data. It shows that fatal accidents are much higher EOTR than in the rest of the city.

Okay. But what does that have to do with why there are not more cameras in white areas of the city?

Uh, the city puts the cameras where the fatal accidents are to try to reduce the number of people being killed at those locations. More people are being killed in black neighborhoods and so, to try to stop people from being killed in those neighborhoods, that’s where the cameras go. Would you prefer that the city ignore people being killed?

I would think the city should put it in places where people speed to prevent fatal accidents from happening. I see post after post here from presumably people who live in mostly white areas complaining about MD and VA speeders in their neighborhoods. Don’t you want that behavior curtailed so that they don’t kill someone? I guess not.

Let’s take this in for a second. There is not a single speed camera on Connecticut Ave, not Wisconsin Ave, nor McArthur Blvd, nor New Mexico Ave, nor Foxhall.

There is one, and only one, camera on the entirety of Mass Ave in Ward 3 and only one on Reno Rd, which is new. There used to be one on Reno that was removed years ago.

I don’t want you to hear a single complaint from people about speeding in any Ward 3 neighborhood, ever.

As stated earlier, the city installs cameras only after studying accident rates and rate of speed. If there are no cameras on a certain street, that means there's little reason to install them.

There are five red-light cameras, two stop-sign cameras and 10 speed cameras in Ward 3. To say there aren't any is a lie.

And yet, there are significant areas with high accident rates in NW DC where gaps in camera coverage are obvious. The racial disparities in automated enforcement could not be more obvious or more clear, no matter how you try to spin the justifications.

Thanks for the heat map. Do you have another picture of where cameras are currently set up?

The camera locations are the cyan circles. The size of the circle represents the revenue the camera generates. This is from the DC Policy Center.

It’s not camera placement “racism”. The cameras go where the accidents are mostly happening. Not everything is a racial issue. People are getting fed up every grievance being primarily viewed through a single lens. There are instances of terrible racism for which outrage should be allocated, however if 44% of accidents happen in a certain part of the city, and this is a very progressive city, so I’m having a hard time imagining this is just some plot by a nefarious councils of blatantly racist camera placement officials, but more so advice from traffic planners and others with a transpiration background in safety. Why jump to the most sensationalist conclusions? Jesus fking Christ.

So you’re just going to ignore that huge gap in NW where there are high accident rates and no cameras?

Where did you get that map from? It looks very outdated.

Other posts use data on current camera locations to show that they are not located disproportionately EOTR. That these cameras generate more revenue is not a good argument for removing them.

The question is not where the cameras are, it’s where the are not. The claim is that they target areas with high accident rates. While that is true EOTR. That is not true in NW.

Where exactly should they be then? I want more cameras in NW but it’s also true that over 2016-22, there have only been a handful of fatal accidents in Ward 3 and certainly not enough to establish a pattern.

You keep saying “fatal accidents” which is your own criteria and a strawman.

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Anonymous wrote:This is great news. The state shouldn't be able to take away the ability of hard working people to get to their jobs. This is another nail in the coffin of generational poverty for BIPOC.

Gotta love the idea that BIPOC can’t possibly just drive safely or follow the law. Casual racism displays itself in many ways.

This. Years ago, I was offered a ride by immigrant Hispanic neighbors I knew from our kids' school. I was young and stupid and not strictly inclined to use my seatbelt, but they politely asked me to belt up so they wouldn't get stopped by MPD (or wouldn't be found to have violated any rules if they were stopped for some other reason). They were right about safety but also right to insist on basic precautions to avoid citations they couldn't afford. I don't understand why this can't be a basic expectation for everyone. People who can't moderate their speed shouldn't drive, and should expect consequences if they do.

And yet it’s been empirically proven that cameras are placed disproportionately in predominantly Black communities.
https://www.thenewspaper.com/rlc/docs/2018/dc-policycenter.pdf

I’m confused. Is your argument that speed cameras are causing black people to speed? It’s very simple, don’t speed, and you won’t get a ticket. The speed camera being present doesn’t change that.

Then why don't they put them in predominantly White neighborhoods?

There are plenty of cameras in predominantly white neighborhoods. They are put in areas where there is rampant speeding or other traffic safety issues. Traffic fatalities are much higher in areas EOTR. It would be racist for the city to not try to do something about that.

What's your source? More made up BS pulled from the crack of your arse.

Here’s the source, ya tosser: https://www.arcgis.com/apps/dashboards/a2f1cca5159e4c6eae197895d2e08336

DP but what is this link supposed to demonstrate exactly?

It’s the DC crash data. It shows that fatal accidents are much higher EOTR than in the rest of the city.

Okay. But what does that have to do with why there are not more cameras in white areas of the city?

Uh, the city puts the cameras where the fatal accidents are to try to reduce the number of people being killed at those locations. More people are being killed in black neighborhoods and so, to try to stop people from being killed in those neighborhoods, that’s where the cameras go. Would you prefer that the city ignore people being killed?

I would think the city should put it in places where people speed to prevent fatal accidents from happening. I see post after post here from presumably people who live in mostly white areas complaining about MD and VA speeders in their neighborhoods. Don’t you want that behavior curtailed so that they don’t kill someone? I guess not.

Let’s take this in for a second. There is not a single speed camera on Connecticut Ave, not Wisconsin Ave, nor McArthur Blvd, nor New Mexico Ave, nor Foxhall.

There is one, and only one, camera on the entirety of Mass Ave in Ward 3 and only one on Reno Rd, which is new. There used to be one on Reno that was removed years ago.

I don’t want you to hear a single complaint from people about speeding in any Ward 3 neighborhood, ever.

As stated earlier, the city installs cameras only after studying accident rates and rate of speed. If there are no cameras on a certain street, that means there's little reason to install them.

There are five red-light cameras, two stop-sign cameras and 10 speed cameras in Ward 3. To say there aren't any is a lie.

And yet, there are significant areas with high accident rates in NW DC where gaps in camera coverage are obvious. The racial disparities in automated enforcement could not be more obvious or more clear, no matter how you try to spin the justifications.

Thanks for the heat map. Do you have another picture of where cameras are currently set up?

The camera locations are the cyan circles. The size of the circle represents the revenue the camera generates. This is from the DC Policy Center.

It’s not camera placement “racism”. The cameras go where the accidents are mostly happening. Not everything is a racial issue. People are getting fed up every grievance being primarily viewed through a single lens. There are instances of terrible racism for which outrage should be allocated, however if 44% of accidents happen in a certain part of the city, and this is a very progressive city, so I’m having a hard time imagining this is just some plot by a nefarious councils of blatantly racist camera placement officials, but more so advice from traffic planners and others with a transpiration background in safety. Why jump to the most sensationalist conclusions? Jesus fking Christ.

So you’re just going to ignore that huge gap in NW where there are high accident rates and no cameras?

Where did you get that map from? It looks very outdated.

Other posts use data on current camera locations to show that they are not located disproportionately EOTR. That these cameras generate more revenue is not a good argument for removing them.

The question is not where the cameras are, it’s where the are not. The claim is that they target areas with high accident rates. While that is true EOTR. That is not true in NW.

Where exactly should they be then? I want more cameras in NW but it’s also true that over 2016-22, there have only been a handful of fatal accidents in Ward 3 and certainly not enough to establish a pattern.

You keep saying “fatal accidents” which is your own criteria and a strawman.

Not a strawman, but a dead man, dead woman, or dead kid. You’re the first person I’ve encountered who maintains that deaths are an unimportant criteria for decision-making. There again, you also make a lot of other very other original arguments and I guess that’s what keeps many of us coming back.

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We need to start aggressively ticketing for noise and speeding. It’s gotten out of hand where I live with the atvs, loud engines and the terrible, terrible music at deafening volumes! I just heard a car go by blasting that song they play at weddings..to the left, to the left! To the right to the right! The next car was even louder, with go go music.

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Anonymous wrote:This is great news. The state shouldn't be able to take away the ability of hard working people to get to their jobs. This is another nail in the coffin of generational poverty for BIPOC.

Gotta love the idea that BIPOC can’t possibly just drive safely or follow the law. Casual racism displays itself in many ways.

This. Years ago, I was offered a ride by immigrant Hispanic neighbors I knew from our kids' school. I was young and stupid and not strictly inclined to use my seatbelt, but they politely asked me to belt up so they wouldn't get stopped by MPD (or wouldn't be found to have violated any rules if they were stopped for some other reason). They were right about safety but also right to insist on basic precautions to avoid citations they couldn't afford. I don't understand why this can't be a basic expectation for everyone. People who can't moderate their speed shouldn't drive, and should expect consequences if they do.

And yet it’s been empirically proven that cameras are placed disproportionately in predominantly Black communities.
https://www.thenewspaper.com/rlc/docs/2018/dc-policycenter.pdf

I’m confused. Is your argument that speed cameras are causing black people to speed? It’s very simple, don’t speed, and you won’t get a ticket. The speed camera being present doesn’t change that.

Then why don't they put them in predominantly White neighborhoods?

There are plenty of cameras in predominantly white neighborhoods. They are put in areas where there is rampant speeding or other traffic safety issues. Traffic fatalities are much higher in areas EOTR. It would be racist for the city to not try to do something about that.

What's your source? More made up BS pulled from the crack of your arse.

Here’s the source, ya tosser: https://www.arcgis.com/apps/dashboards/a2f1cca5159e4c6eae197895d2e08336

DP but what is this link supposed to demonstrate exactly?

It’s the DC crash data. It shows that fatal accidents are much higher EOTR than in the rest of the city.

Okay. But what does that have to do with why there are not more cameras in white areas of the city?

Uh, the city puts the cameras where the fatal accidents are to try to reduce the number of people being killed at those locations. More people are being killed in black neighborhoods and so, to try to stop people from being killed in those neighborhoods, that’s where the cameras go. Would you prefer that the city ignore people being killed?

I would think the city should put it in places where people speed to prevent fatal accidents from happening. I see post after post here from presumably people who live in mostly white areas complaining about MD and VA speeders in their neighborhoods. Don’t you want that behavior curtailed so that they don’t kill someone? I guess not.

Let’s take this in for a second. There is not a single speed camera on Connecticut Ave, not Wisconsin Ave, nor McArthur Blvd, nor New Mexico Ave, nor Foxhall.

There is one, and only one, camera on the entirety of Mass Ave in Ward 3 and only one on Reno Rd, which is new. There used to be one on Reno that was removed years ago.

I don’t want you to hear a single complaint from people about speeding in any Ward 3 neighborhood, ever.

As stated earlier, the city installs cameras only after studying accident rates and rate of speed. If there are no cameras on a certain street, that means there's little reason to install them.

There are five red-light cameras, two stop-sign cameras and 10 speed cameras in Ward 3. To say there aren't any is a lie.

And yet, there are significant areas with high accident rates in NW DC where gaps in camera coverage are obvious. The racial disparities in automated enforcement could not be more obvious or more clear, no matter how you try to spin the justifications.

Thanks for the heat map. Do you have another picture of where cameras are currently set up?

The camera locations are the cyan circles. The size of the circle represents the revenue the camera generates. This is from the DC Policy Center.

It’s not camera placement “racism”. The cameras go where the accidents are mostly happening. Not everything is a racial issue. People are getting fed up every grievance being primarily viewed through a single lens. There are instances of terrible racism for which outrage should be allocated, however if 44% of accidents happen in a certain part of the city, and this is a very progressive city, so I’m having a hard time imagining this is just some plot by a nefarious councils of blatantly racist camera placement officials, but more so advice from traffic planners and others with a transpiration background in safety. Why jump to the most sensationalist conclusions? Jesus fking Christ.

So you’re just going to ignore that huge gap in NW where there are high accident rates and no cameras?

Where did you get that map from? It looks very outdated.

Other posts use data on current camera locations to show that they are not located disproportionately EOTR. That these cameras generate more revenue is not a good argument for removing them.

The question is not where the cameras are, it’s where the are not. The claim is that they target areas with high accident rates. While that is true EOTR. That is not true in NW.

Where exactly should they be then? I want more cameras in NW but it’s also true that over 2016-22, there have only been a handful of fatal accidents in Ward 3 and certainly not enough to establish a pattern.

You keep saying “fatal accidents” which is your own criteria and a strawman.

Not a strawman, but a dead man, dead woman, or dead kid. You’re the first person I’ve encountered who maintains that deaths are an unimportant criteria for decision-making. There again, you also make a lot of other very other original arguments and I guess that’s what keeps many of us coming back.

I think someone crippled or maimed in an accident in NW would be disturbed by your callous defense of structural racism in camera enforcement.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:We need to start aggressively ticketing for noise and speeding. It’s gotten out of hand where I live with the atvs, loud engines and the terrible, terrible music at deafening volumes! I just heard a car go by blasting that song they play at weddings..to the left, to the left! To the right to the right! The next car was even louder, with go go music.

Is this satire?

[Anonymous]

Just start charging non-DC residents a “congestion fee” like London does. I’m done with MD drivers recklessly driving through my neighborhood and VA drivers who seem largely clueless and distracted.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Just start charging non-DC residents a “congestion fee” like London does. I’m done with MD drivers recklessly driving through my neighborhood and VA drivers who seem largely clueless and distracted.

A good idea that won’t happen because Congress.

[Anonymous]

Ok ....so a sensitive camera that gives a $300 ticket for a stop sign where no people were present, and a driver comes to a complete stop for seven seconds... that's taxation, not safe driving regulation (Google DC sensitive stop sign cameras)

[Anonymous]

I think the cameras are racist. They seem to only ticket black people. This AI technology is getting out of hand!