Proposal to Stop Enforcing Speeding Tickets

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My guess is it's an insurance thing. Someone who has no license can't be insured, uninsured hits someone they have a lot less ability yo get covered (suing the uninsured motorist doesn't really help because they likely have no money). They rightfully predict people will drive anyway.

It’s also just true that more speed cameras are placed in Black neighborhoods which results in Black people who have the least ability to pay disproportionately getting the most camera tickets.

https://www.thenewspaper.com/news/65/6501.asp

Something like 45% of traffic fatalities occur EOTR, which is a disproportionate share. Is it racist to ignore these traffic fatalities and put the cameras elsewhere or is it racist to put the cameras in the places where the most fatalities happen because the drivers in these areas are disproportionately BIPOC? I am confused.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This is great news. The state shouldn't be able to take away the ability of hard working people to get to their jobs. This is another nail in the coffin of generational poverty for BIPOC.

Gotta love the idea that BIPOC can’t possibly just drive safely or follow the law. Casual racism displays itself in many ways.

This. Years ago, I was offered a ride by immigrant Hispanic neighbors I knew from our kids' school. I was young and stupid and not strictly inclined to use my seatbelt, but they politely asked me to belt up so they wouldn't get stopped by MPD (or wouldn't be found to have violated any rules if they were stopped for some other reason). They were right about safety but also right to insist on basic precautions to avoid citations they couldn't afford. I don't understand why this can't be a basic expectation for everyone. People who can't moderate their speed shouldn't drive, and should expect consequences if they do.

And yet it’s been empirically proven that cameras are placed disproportionately in predominantly Black communities.
https://www.thenewspaper.com/rlc/docs/2018/dc-policycenter.pdf

I’m confused. Is your argument that speed cameras are causing black people to speed? It’s very simple, don’t speed, and you won’t get a ticket. The speed camera being present doesn’t change that.

Then why don't they put them in predominantly White neighborhoods?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My guess is it's an insurance thing. Someone who has no license can't be insured, uninsured hits someone they have a lot less ability yo get covered (suing the uninsured motorist doesn't really help because they likely have no money). They rightfully predict people will drive anyway.

So we expect that those who can't pay their tickets but who are racking up moving violations are going to be able to pay their elevated insurance premiums? Really?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This is great news. The state shouldn't be able to take away the ability of hard working people to get to their jobs. This is another nail in the coffin of generational poverty for BIPOC.

Gotta love the idea that BIPOC can’t possibly just drive safely or follow the law. Casual racism displays itself in many ways.

This. Years ago, I was offered a ride by immigrant Hispanic neighbors I knew from our kids' school. I was young and stupid and not strictly inclined to use my seatbelt, but they politely asked me to belt up so they wouldn't get stopped by MPD (or wouldn't be found to have violated any rules if they were stopped for some other reason). They were right about safety but also right to insist on basic precautions to avoid citations they couldn't afford. I don't understand why this can't be a basic expectation for everyone. People who can't moderate their speed shouldn't drive, and should expect consequences if they do.

And yet it’s been empirically proven that cameras are placed disproportionately in predominantly Black communities.
https://www.thenewspaper.com/rlc/docs/2018/dc-policycenter.pdf

I’m confused. Is your argument that speed cameras are causing black people to speed? It’s very simple, don’t speed, and you won’t get a ticket. The speed camera being present doesn’t change that.

Then why don't they put them in predominantly White neighborhoods?

There are plenty of cameras in predominantly white neighborhoods. They are put in areas where there is rampant speeding or other traffic safety issues. Traffic fatalities are much higher in areas EOTR. It would be racist for the city to not try to do something about that.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This is great news. The state shouldn't be able to take away the ability of hard working people to get to their jobs. This is another nail in the coffin of generational poverty for BIPOC.

As a hard working person who takes the bus to work and has to cross busy streets to get to the bus stop, I have no problem with people who refuse to obey traffic laws from being prevented from driving if it means I won't be killed by a driver. There are other people in the world besides drivers

Exactly.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is great news. The state shouldn't be able to take away the ability of hard working people to get to their jobs. This is another nail in the coffin of generational poverty for BIPOC.

Gotta love the idea that BIPOC can’t possibly just drive safely or follow the law. Casual racism displays itself in many ways.

This. Years ago, I was offered a ride by immigrant Hispanic neighbors I knew from our kids' school. I was young and stupid and not strictly inclined to use my seatbelt, but they politely asked me to belt up so they wouldn't get stopped by MPD (or wouldn't be found to have violated any rules if they were stopped for some other reason). They were right about safety but also right to insist on basic precautions to avoid citations they couldn't afford. I don't understand why this can't be a basic expectation for everyone. People who can't moderate their speed shouldn't drive, and should expect consequences if they do.

And yet it’s been empirically proven that cameras are placed disproportionately in predominantly Black communities.
https://www.thenewspaper.com/rlc/docs/2018/dc-policycenter.pdf

That’s BS in DC, but in any event I’d love to see even more speed cameras in Ward 3. Bring it on!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is great news. The state shouldn't be able to take away the ability of hard working people to get to their jobs. This is another nail in the coffin of generational poverty for BIPOC.

Gotta love the idea that BIPOC can’t possibly just drive safely or follow the law. Casual racism displays itself in many ways.

This. Years ago, I was offered a ride by immigrant Hispanic neighbors I knew from our kids' school. I was young and stupid and not strictly inclined to use my seatbelt, but they politely asked me to belt up so they wouldn't get stopped by MPD (or wouldn't be found to have violated any rules if they were stopped for some other reason). They were right about safety but also right to insist on basic precautions to avoid citations they couldn't afford. I don't understand why this can't be a basic expectation for everyone. People who can't moderate their speed shouldn't drive, and should expect consequences if they do.

And yet it’s been empirically proven that cameras are placed disproportionately in predominantly Black communities.
https://www.thenewspaper.com/rlc/docs/2018/dc-policycenter.pdf

That’s BS in DC, but in any event I’d love to see even more speed cameras in Ward 3. Bring it on!

If you bothered to click the link, you would find that it is a link to a study published by the DC Policy Center about DC. You have any other bs you want to spread?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is great news. The state shouldn't be able to take away the ability of hard working people to get to their jobs. This is another nail in the coffin of generational poverty for BIPOC.

Gotta love the idea that BIPOC can’t possibly just drive safely or follow the law. Casual racism displays itself in many ways.

This. Years ago, I was offered a ride by immigrant Hispanic neighbors I knew from our kids' school. I was young and stupid and not strictly inclined to use my seatbelt, but they politely asked me to belt up so they wouldn't get stopped by MPD (or wouldn't be found to have violated any rules if they were stopped for some other reason). They were right about safety but also right to insist on basic precautions to avoid citations they couldn't afford. I don't understand why this can't be a basic expectation for everyone. People who can't moderate their speed shouldn't drive, and should expect consequences if they do.

And yet it’s been empirically proven that cameras are placed disproportionately in predominantly Black communities.
https://www.thenewspaper.com/rlc/docs/2018/dc-policycenter.pdf

That’s BS in DC, but in any event I’d love to see even more speed cameras in Ward 3. Bring it on!

If you bothered to click the link, you would find that it is a link to a study published by the DC Policy Center about DC. You have any other bs you want to spread?

NP here. I took a quick read of the study. It just shows that cameras in black neighborhoods (ie EOTR) are clocking up the lion’s share of ticket revenue, but doesn’t say anything about where the drivers who are getting those tickets live. For anyone who has ever driven EOTR, the results are unsurprising. A small but not insignificant number of cars on any given EOTR road are driven extremely fast. Much more so than elsewhere in the city. Many - but not all - of these cars have MD plates. So, no, I don’t think the fact that there are cameras EOTR racking up huge numbers of tickets demonstrates any racial bias. Rather, it just confirms what many of us have seen with our own eyes - that there are a numerically small but relatively high number of vehicles being driven very dangerously through predominantly black neighborhoods.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is great news. The state shouldn't be able to take away the ability of hard working people to get to their jobs. This is another nail in the coffin of generational poverty for BIPOC.

Gotta love the idea that BIPOC can’t possibly just drive safely or follow the law. Casual racism displays itself in many ways.

This. Years ago, I was offered a ride by immigrant Hispanic neighbors I knew from our kids' school. I was young and stupid and not strictly inclined to use my seatbelt, but they politely asked me to belt up so they wouldn't get stopped by MPD (or wouldn't be found to have violated any rules if they were stopped for some other reason). They were right about safety but also right to insist on basic precautions to avoid citations they couldn't afford. I don't understand why this can't be a basic expectation for everyone. People who can't moderate their speed shouldn't drive, and should expect consequences if they do.

And yet it’s been empirically proven that cameras are placed disproportionately in predominantly Black communities.
https://www.thenewspaper.com/rlc/docs/2018/dc-policycenter.pdf

You can dissect data on minor, major, and fatal crashes in DC here: https://www.arcgis.com/apps/dashboards/a2f1cca5159e4c6eae197895d2e08336

Between January 1st, 2018 and July 15, 2022, 158 people were killed on DC streets. 46 percent of those fatalities occurred on the streets of Wards 7 and 8, an area which houses only 22 percent of DC's population.

Residents of wards 7 and 8 are disproportionally victimized by traffic violence. Anyone who argues that relaxing enforcement is beneficial to the residents of those wards clearly isn't thinking much about those victims.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is great news. The state shouldn't be able to take away the ability of hard working people to get to their jobs. This is another nail in the coffin of generational poverty for BIPOC.

Gotta love the idea that BIPOC can’t possibly just drive safely or follow the law. Casual racism displays itself in many ways.

This. Years ago, I was offered a ride by immigrant Hispanic neighbors I knew from our kids' school. I was young and stupid and not strictly inclined to use my seatbelt, but they politely asked me to belt up so they wouldn't get stopped by MPD (or wouldn't be found to have violated any rules if they were stopped for some other reason). They were right about safety but also right to insist on basic precautions to avoid citations they couldn't afford. I don't understand why this can't be a basic expectation for everyone. People who can't moderate their speed shouldn't drive, and should expect consequences if they do.

And yet it’s been empirically proven that cameras are placed disproportionately in predominantly Black communities.
https://www.thenewspaper.com/rlc/docs/2018/dc-policycenter.pdf

You can dissect data on minor, major, and fatal crashes in DC here: https://www.arcgis.com/apps/dashboards/a2f1cca5159e4c6eae197895d2e08336

Between January 1st, 2018 and July 15, 2022, 158 people were killed on DC streets. 46 percent of those fatalities occurred on the streets of Wards 7 and 8, an area which houses only 22 percent of DC's population.

Residents of wards 7 and 8 are disproportionally victimized by traffic violence. Anyone who argues that relaxing enforcement is beneficial to the residents of those wards clearly isn't thinking much about those victims.

I love patronizing people who think they know what’s in the best interest of people of color. If only they understood that taking away their drivers licenses was in their best interests? You’re not trying to punish them but only to save them from “traffic violence”. Right?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is great news. The state shouldn't be able to take away the ability of hard working people to get to their jobs. This is another nail in the coffin of generational poverty for BIPOC.

Gotta love the idea that BIPOC can’t possibly just drive safely or follow the law. Casual racism displays itself in many ways.

This. Years ago, I was offered a ride by immigrant Hispanic neighbors I knew from our kids' school. I was young and stupid and not strictly inclined to use my seatbelt, but they politely asked me to belt up so they wouldn't get stopped by MPD (or wouldn't be found to have violated any rules if they were stopped for some other reason). They were right about safety but also right to insist on basic precautions to avoid citations they couldn't afford. I don't understand why this can't be a basic expectation for everyone. People who can't moderate their speed shouldn't drive, and should expect consequences if they do.

And yet it’s been empirically proven that cameras are placed disproportionately in predominantly Black communities.
https://www.thenewspaper.com/rlc/docs/2018/dc-policycenter.pdf

You can dissect data on minor, major, and fatal crashes in DC here: https://www.arcgis.com/apps/dashboards/a2f1cca5159e4c6eae197895d2e08336

Between January 1st, 2018 and July 15, 2022, 158 people were killed on DC streets. 46 percent of those fatalities occurred on the streets of Wards 7 and 8, an area which houses only 22 percent of DC's population.

Residents of wards 7 and 8 are disproportionally victimized by traffic violence. Anyone who argues that relaxing enforcement is beneficial to the residents of those wards clearly isn't thinking much about those victims.

I love patronizing people who think they know what’s in the best interest of people of color. If only they understood that taking away their drivers licenses was in their best interests? You’re not trying to punish them but only to save them from “traffic violence”. Right?

What do you call someone who thinks it’s perfectly fine for people of color to be exposed to a higher risk of death?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is great news. The state shouldn't be able to take away the ability of hard working people to get to their jobs. This is another nail in the coffin of generational poverty for BIPOC.

Gotta love the idea that BIPOC can’t possibly just drive safely or follow the law. Casual racism displays itself in many ways.

This. Years ago, I was offered a ride by immigrant Hispanic neighbors I knew from our kids' school. I was young and stupid and not strictly inclined to use my seatbelt, but they politely asked me to belt up so they wouldn't get stopped by MPD (or wouldn't be found to have violated any rules if they were stopped for some other reason). They were right about safety but also right to insist on basic precautions to avoid citations they couldn't afford. I don't understand why this can't be a basic expectation for everyone. People who can't moderate their speed shouldn't drive, and should expect consequences if they do.

And yet it’s been empirically proven that cameras are placed disproportionately in predominantly Black communities.
https://www.thenewspaper.com/rlc/docs/2018/dc-policycenter.pdf

You can dissect data on minor, major, and fatal crashes in DC here: https://www.arcgis.com/apps/dashboards/a2f1cca5159e4c6eae197895d2e08336

Between January 1st, 2018 and July 15, 2022, 158 people were killed on DC streets. 46 percent of those fatalities occurred on the streets of Wards 7 and 8, an area which houses only 22 percent of DC's population.

Residents of wards 7 and 8 are disproportionally victimized by traffic violence. Anyone who argues that relaxing enforcement is beneficial to the residents of those wards clearly isn't thinking much about those victims.

I love patronizing people who think they know what’s in the best interest of people of color. If only they understood that taking away their drivers licenses was in their best interests? You’re not trying to punish them but only to save them from “traffic violence”. Right?

You know what’s in the best interest of ALL people? Safe driving. This argument that it’s so hard for people of color to follow traffic laws and pay the consequences if they don’t is so beyond racist it’s ridiculous.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is great news. The state shouldn't be able to take away the ability of hard working people to get to their jobs. This is another nail in the coffin of generational poverty for BIPOC.

Gotta love the idea that BIPOC can’t possibly just drive safely or follow the law. Casual racism displays itself in many ways.

This. Years ago, I was offered a ride by immigrant Hispanic neighbors I knew from our kids' school. I was young and stupid and not strictly inclined to use my seatbelt, but they politely asked me to belt up so they wouldn't get stopped by MPD (or wouldn't be found to have violated any rules if they were stopped for some other reason). They were right about safety but also right to insist on basic precautions to avoid citations they couldn't afford. I don't understand why this can't be a basic expectation for everyone. People who can't moderate their speed shouldn't drive, and should expect consequences if they do.

And yet it’s been empirically proven that cameras are placed disproportionately in predominantly Black communities.
https://www.thenewspaper.com/rlc/docs/2018/dc-policycenter.pdf

You can dissect data on minor, major, and fatal crashes in DC here: https://www.arcgis.com/apps/dashboards/a2f1cca5159e4c6eae197895d2e08336

Between January 1st, 2018 and July 15, 2022, 158 people were killed on DC streets. 46 percent of those fatalities occurred on the streets of Wards 7 and 8, an area which houses only 22 percent of DC's population.

Residents of wards 7 and 8 are disproportionally victimized by traffic violence. Anyone who argues that relaxing enforcement is beneficial to the residents of those wards clearly isn't thinking much about those victims.

I love patronizing people who think they know what’s in the best interest of people of color. If only they understood that taking away their drivers licenses was in their best interests? You’re not trying to punish them but only to save them from “traffic violence”. Right?

It’s very clear that you don’t care about the interests of anyone other than yourself and those with whom you share a coincidence of interest due to their similar inability to adhere to the basic rules that make streets safe for use by the rest of the population. There isn’t - or, thanks to our Council, shouldn’t - be no divine right to drive. If you cannot do so without endangering the lives of others, either get lessons or find another mode of transport. In the meantime, please stop pathetically pretending to represent those about whom you manifestly have no concern whatsoever. (You may also be a Macedonian troll and, if so, I commend your effort.)

[Anonymous]

Speeding tickets, in particular photo radar tickets, affect POC more than whites. They are generally lower income, and have less ability to pay them. Not being able to pay tickets and register a car might mean the loss of a job and home. White people can get tickets and pay them. POC can face life altering debt.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:NP here. I took a quick read of the study. It just shows that cameras in black neighborhoods (ie EOTR) are clocking up the lion’s share of ticket revenue, but doesn’t say anything about where the drivers who are getting those tickets live. For anyone who has ever driven EOTR, the results are unsurprising. A small but not insignificant number of cars on any given EOTR road are driven extremely fast. Much more so than elsewhere in the city. Many - but not all - of these cars have MD plates. So, no, I don’t think the fact that there are cameras EOTR racking up huge numbers of tickets demonstrates any racial bias. Rather, it just confirms what many of us have seen with our own eyes - that there are a numerically small but relatively high number of vehicles being driven very dangerously through predominantly black neighborhoods.

Nailed it. When I first moved to DC, I lived in Near SW along M St. This was when the ballpark was built. I was appalled with how fast people drove in this predominantly black and poor neighborhood.

Drivers of all races, genders, and ages drove way too fast in the neighborhood because there are no penalties for dangerous driving in DC and especially in poor neighborhoods.

So it's absolutely outrageous when aholes like Trayon White cry about how speed cameras in poor neighborhoods are "racist" when they're needed the most there. Along with road diets, which he also fights.