Can women really love men?

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Anonymous wrote:if a woman loves a man unconditionally she's treating him like a child.

Men are babies.

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Anonymous wrote:Men are not loved unconditionally is the answer. Not like women and children are. Even the best examples here the woman would lose attraction if the guy started acting whiny or had a mental health crisis or some other thing.

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Women typically love their children unconditionally, but not there husbands

As opposed to men who don't love their children unconditionally?? The fact many men dump their wives or stop having sex with them for whatever reason surely means men don't love women unconditionally.

They don’t, and shouldn’t. But women are more likely than men to think they should be loved unconditionally.

What do you mean by this?

"You should absolutely love me no matter what I do" is a far more common attitude among women than men.

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Of course they can.

I will say that it’s possible that love becomes more practical as women grow up and learn what’s important for them in a relationship. So more mature love may not be the same as the first few people you date in your teens and early twenties.

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In a moment, sure. Unconditionally? No.

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Anonymous wrote:I work in criminal justice. There are a ton of guys incarcerated for decades to life who have girlfriends/wives that love them to the moon. These men have absolutely zero prospects because they are rotting in prison, and yet, there is often a woman who calls, writes, puts money in their prison account on a regular basis.

I think this is strong proof that women can love men without a superficial financial motive

Nope, what you have observed is called Hybristophillia which is the sexual attraction to criminals (most especially violent ones: murders, etc.). It occurs almost exclusively in women.

Some phycologists have theorized that this occurs in women due to either evolutionary reasons were a woman is attracted to very violent men due to similar reasons (yet more extreme) as "war brides" where women tend to chose during war that are the "winners" because by choosing the winners (i.e, stronger more violent men) the women will survive the war.

Other phycologists suggest its a combination of the above plus:

beauty and the beast mentality (i.e., I can change him when on one else could because I'm that special)
They want to share the spot light/ infamy (i.e., status seeking)
The "control" of having the "perfect" boyfriend because they know where he is at all times and he can't leave etc.

Bottom line, when you look at women attracted to convicts, it is NOT an altruistic love. It is often a very imperfect woman who is satisfying her own broken emotional needs. This is very self serving. This is essentially the counter argument to women loving men. They are using encarcerated men to satisfy their own fetish.

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Sure! And it's also possible for men to love women even if women get old, gray, wrinkled, and fat.

Right?

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Anonymous wrote:Sure! And it's also possible for men to love women even if women get old, gray, wrinkled, and fat.

Right?

Both my grandfathers managed to pull it off.

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Anonymous wrote:Men are not loved unconditionally is the answer. Not like women and children are. Even the best examples here the woman would lose attraction if the guy started acting whiny or had a mental health crisis or some other thing.

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Women typically love their children unconditionally, but not there husbands

As opposed to men who don't love their children unconditionally?? The fact many men dump their wives or stop having sex with them for whatever reason surely means men don't love women unconditionally.

They don’t, and shouldn’t. But women are more likely than men to think they should be loved unconditionally.

What do you mean by this?

"You should absolutely love me no matter what I do" is a far more common attitude among women than men.

This isn’t true.
For example, men are six times more likely to leave the marriage when their wives get diagnosed with cancer. Men are also more likely to leave women who have a substance use disorder, and are more likely to leave when their wives are dealing with any chronic illness.

You can certainly say that this is due to hormonal factors or to societal roles that place women as caretakers, so men don’t feel as comfortable with the role. It doesn’t have to be a moral failing.

But you can’t say that men are more likely to love women “no matter what.” That just isn’t true.

[Anonymous]

I am with the women here who can’t even comprehend what you mean, OP.

I say this as a mother of two teenage boys, a daughter of a kind father, and a sister to a wonderful brother: Men aren’t really even capable of experiencing love the way that women do.

Of course it’s a spectrum, and there are some men who love more deeply than some women, but as a whole, women just love more deeply and intensely. Just like men are physically stronger than women are, as a gender.

I think there is something about testosterone that makes men so competitive that they have to be somewhat more self-oriented than women are.

I do think that this means, though, that for a lot of men their wives/girlfriends might be the only person in the whole world who they love and who really loves them, while women usually have a network of people that they love and who love them back. I do think this can make it more intense when you feel like your wife is pulling away.

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Anonymous wrote:Men are not loved unconditionally is the answer. Not like women and children are. Even the best examples here the woman would lose attraction if the guy started acting whiny or had a mental health crisis or some other thing.

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Women typically love their children unconditionally, but not there husbands

As opposed to men who don't love their children unconditionally?? The fact many men dump their wives or stop having sex with them for whatever reason surely means men don't love women unconditionally.

They don’t, and shouldn’t. But women are more likely than men to think they should be loved unconditionally.

What do you mean by this?

"You should absolutely love me no matter what I do" is a far more common attitude among women than men.

This isn’t true.
For example, men are six times more likely to leave the marriage when their wives get diagnosed with cancer. Men are also more likely to leave women who have a substance use disorder, and are more likely to leave when their wives are dealing with any chronic illness.

You can certainly say that this is due to hormonal factors or to societal roles that place women as caretakers, so men don’t feel as comfortable with the role. It doesn’t have to be a moral failing.

But you can’t say that men are more likely to love women “no matter what.” That just isn’t true.

What is the source of each of those statements? I'm calling bs on that.

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Anonymous wrote:Men are not loved unconditionally is the answer. Not like women and children are. Even the best examples here the woman would lose attraction if the guy started acting whiny or had a mental health crisis or some other thing.

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Women typically love their children unconditionally, but not there husbands

As opposed to men who don't love their children unconditionally?? The fact many men dump their wives or stop having sex with them for whatever reason surely means men don't love women unconditionally.

They don’t, and shouldn’t. But women are more likely than men to think they should be loved unconditionally.

What do you mean by this?

"You should absolutely love me no matter what I do" is a far more common attitude among women than men.

This isn’t true.
For example, men are six times more likely to leave the marriage when their wives get diagnosed with cancer. Men are also more likely to leave women who have a substance use disorder, and are more likely to leave when their wives are dealing with any chronic illness.

You can certainly say that this is due to hormonal factors or to societal roles that place women as caretakers, so men don’t feel as comfortable with the role. It doesn’t have to be a moral failing.

But you can’t say that men are more likely to love women “no matter what.” That just isn’t true.

What is the source of each of those statements? I'm calling bs on that.

This is from a quick google search:

https://archive.nytimes.com/well.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/11/12/men-more-likely-to-leave-spouse-with-cancer/

https://acsjournals.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/cncr.24577

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Anonymous wrote:Men are not loved unconditionally is the answer. Not like women and children are. Even the best examples here the woman would lose attraction if the guy started acting whiny or had a mental health crisis or some other thing.

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Women typically love their children unconditionally, but not there husbands

As opposed to men who don't love their children unconditionally?? The fact many men dump their wives or stop having sex with them for whatever reason surely means men don't love women unconditionally.

They don’t, and shouldn’t. But women are more likely than men to think they should be loved unconditionally.

What do you mean by this?

"You should absolutely love me no matter what I do" is a far more common attitude among women than men.

This isn’t true.
For example, men are six times more likely to leave the marriage when their wives get diagnosed with cancer. Men are also more likely to leave women who have a substance use disorder, and are more likely to leave when their wives are dealing with any chronic illness.

You can certainly say that this is due to hormonal factors or to societal roles that place women as caretakers, so men don’t feel as comfortable with the role. It doesn’t have to be a moral failing.

But you can’t say that men are more likely to love women “no matter what.” That just isn’t true.

What is the source of each of those statements? I'm calling bs on that.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4857885/

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No

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Anonymous wrote:Men are not loved unconditionally is the answer. Not like women and children are. Even the best examples here the woman would lose attraction if the guy started acting whiny or had a mental health crisis or some other thing.

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Women typically love their children unconditionally, but not there husbands

As opposed to men who don't love their children unconditionally?? The fact many men dump their wives or stop having sex with them for whatever reason surely means men don't love women unconditionally.

They don’t, and shouldn’t. But women are more likely than men to think they should be loved unconditionally.

What do you mean by this?

"You should absolutely love me no matter what I do" is a far more common attitude among women than men.

This isn’t true.
For example, men are six times more likely to leave the marriage when their wives get diagnosed with cancer. Men are also more likely to leave women who have a substance use disorder, and are more likely to leave when their wives are dealing with any chronic illness.

You can certainly say that this is due to hormonal factors or to societal roles that place women as caretakers, so men don’t feel as comfortable with the role. It doesn’t have to be a moral failing.

But you can’t say that men are more likely to love women “no matter what.” That just isn’t true.

What is the source of each of those statements? I'm calling bs on that.

This is from a quick google search:

https://archive.nytimes.com/well.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/11/12/men-more-likely-to-leave-spouse-with-cancer/

https://acsjournals.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/cncr.24577

20.8% of men abandon their wives following a cancer diagnosis, while only 2.9% of women leave their husbands.

The women you are dating, pp, who you think comprise the entire female gender, are only a very small fraction of women. You probably need to do some self-reflection and figure out why you keep going for that 3% and ignoring the other 97% of women.

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Anonymous wrote:Men are not loved unconditionally is the answer. Not like women and children are. Even the best examples here the woman would lose attraction if the guy started acting whiny or had a mental health crisis or some other thing.

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Women typically love their children unconditionally, but not there husbands

As opposed to men who don't love their children unconditionally?? The fact many men dump their wives or stop having sex with them for whatever reason surely means men don't love women unconditionally.

They don’t, and shouldn’t. But women are more likely than men to think they should be loved unconditionally.

What do you mean by this?

"You should absolutely love me no matter what I do" is a far more common attitude among women than men.

This isn’t true.
For example, men are six times more likely to leave the marriage when their wives get diagnosed with cancer. Men are also more likely to leave women who have a substance use disorder, and are more likely to leave when their wives are dealing with any chronic illness.

You can certainly say that this is due to hormonal factors or to societal roles that place women as caretakers, so men don’t feel as comfortable with the role. It doesn’t have to be a moral failing.

But you can’t say that men are more likely to love women “no matter what.” That just isn’t true.

What is the source of each of those statements? I'm calling bs on that.

This is from a quick google search:

https://archive.nytimes.com/well.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/11/12/men-more-likely-to-leave-spouse-with-cancer/

https://acsjournals.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/cncr.24577

20.8% of men abandon their wives following a cancer diagnosis, while only 2.9% of women leave their husbands.

The women you are dating, pp, who you think comprise the entire female gender, are only a very small fraction of women. You probably need to do some self-reflection and figure out why you keep going for that 3% and ignoring the other 97% of women.

Wonder how many of those women are financially dependent on the man? From what I have seen women are much more likely to leave a man who has financial problems, sick, loses a job, etc. This is part of what a woman wants in a man- strong, not sick, not dependent and making money. Men know this from an early age. Women will leave if something better comes a long.