Oakton crash

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Please share the story with your teen drivers. This is the reality of what happens when the teen brain is behind the wheel.

Maybe teens shouldn’t be driving.

A teen boy (maybe a little older but not more then 20) swerved into oncoming traffic to pass me on Georgetown Pike mere weeks after another teen boy killed a woman on that same road.

There is something to this notion. Insurance companies and auto rental companies are concerned about younger drivers, which is why car insurance is higher for drivers under 25--especially males--and why car rental companies have age restrictions on renting cars. But it will never happen here as Americans don't like to be told what to do and have enjoyed low minimum ages for driving for decades.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This kind if sad story is not a first in this area. It's heartbreaking for all involved, and anxiety provoking for any parent of a teen to hear. My local high school had a bad wreck incident. One passenger survived, but returned to school in a wheelchair. Please talk to your kids. Talk to your principal. Maybe a crash survivor somewhere can tell their story to your kids at a school assembly.

Unfortunately, the kid who will speed like that through a residential pedestrian zone will just ignore the crash victim speaking at the school assembly, because he doesn’t respect anyone.

Maybe, maybe not. Maybe a passenger would say slow down.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Don't hold your breath for a harsh sentence for the driver. I know someone (an adult) that ran over two people while DUI and only served 3 years (suspended sentence down from 20). That's when I learned that when your "weapon" is a car, you can get away with pretty much anything.

This is true.

I am so, so sorry for the families joining this unbearable (and way too large) community of people whose loved ones were killed by reckless drivers.

Depending on when the driver got his license, isnt there a a law that says you can't have more than 1 un-related person in the car within like 18 months of getting a license? The purpose to curb having a back seat full of rowdy friends and huge distractions.

Yes, the law in Virginia says only one passenger under 21 who is unrelated to the driver for the 1st year you have your license. After a year, an under 18 driver is allowed to drive 3 unrelated passengers to and from a school sponsored event. So driving to and from school, you are allowed to drive 3 unrelated passengers. If the BMW driver was coming from school with 3 friends and had had his license for a year, he'd been following the rules. I don't think a sibling counts - so you could drive 3 friends plus your 14/15 year old sister/brother and be within the law.

But, the law also says don't driver higher than the speed limit. And we all know everyone always follows the law. (sarcasm.)

Such a horrible tragedy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Please share the story with your teen drivers. This is the reality of what happens when the teen brain is behind the wheel.

Maybe teens shouldn’t be driving.

A teen boy (maybe a little older but not more then 20) swerved into oncoming traffic to pass me on Georgetown Pike mere weeks after another teen boy killed a woman on that same road.

Absolutely agree. I think it is insane that the minimum age is 16.

16 year olds are stupid.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Don't hold your breath for a harsh sentence for the driver. I know someone (an adult) that ran over two people while DUI and only served 3 years (suspended sentence down from 20). That's when I learned that when your "weapon" is a car, you can get away with pretty much anything.

This is true.

I am so, so sorry for the families joining this unbearable (and way too large) community of people whose loved ones were killed by reckless drivers.

Depending on when the driver got his license, isnt there a a law that says you can't have more than 1 un-related person in the car within like 18 months of getting a license? The purpose to curb having a back seat full of rowdy friends and huge distractions.

Yes, the law in Virginia says only one passenger under 21 who is unrelated to the driver for the 1st year you have your license. After a year, an under 18 driver is allowed to drive 3 unrelated passengers to and from a school sponsored event. So driving to and from school, you are allowed to drive 3 unrelated passengers. If the BMW driver was coming from school with 3 friends and had had his license for a year, he'd been following the rules. I don't think a sibling counts - so you could drive 3 friends plus your 14/15 year old sister/brother and be within the law.

But, the law also says don't driver higher than the speed limit. And we all know everyone always follows the law. (sarcasm.)

Such a horrible tragedy.

You are allowed to have up to three passengers if you are driving to and ftom a "school sponsored event." So, the driver may be o.k. on having passengers.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:As of its 5:22 p.m. update, the Post is identifying the teen pedestrians as Oakton HS students. Here is part of that article:

Two Oakton High School students were killed and another was critically injured Tuesday when two vehicles collided and spun out of control at an intersection where the youths were walking, Fairfax County police said.

The victims, all teenage girls, were a block from their school, police said. This is the final week of the school year at Oakton and Tuesday was an early-release day, with classes ending at 11:30 a.m., shortly before the fatal accident.

The crash occurred about 11:46 a.m. at Blake Lane and Five Oaks Road in the Oakton area, on the opposite side of Route 66 from the school, according to Maj. Eli Cory, a police spokesman. He said the three girls, whom he did not identify, were taken to a hospital, where authorities later said two of them were pronounced dead. He said the third student’s injuries were “life-threatening."


The driver and a passenger from one of the vehicles, who also are juveniles, were injured but not seriously, he said. It was unclear if they also went to Oakton.

Cory said a BMW was traveling south on Blake “at a very high rate of speed” while the driver of a Toyota 4Runner, headed north on Blake, was attempting to turn left onto Five Oaks. The BMW stuck the 4Runner, then “ricocheted off the side of the road, hit the three pedestrians, hit a pole on the side of the road and finally came to rest down the street,” he said.

The three girls were walking along Blake and had just crossed Five Oaks before the 4Runner’s driver tried to make the turn, Cory said.

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The article does continue after that but that's the gist of it. So sad about the students killed--we have dear friends with an Oakton grad this year and this is sickening.

Everyone harping on the BMW driver, sounds like 4Runner misjudged the timing needed for the left hand turn directly in front of the BMW. BMW had no time to stop - even if they weren't speeding.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Blake lane has a 35 MPH speed limit but people regularly go 50 to 55 MPH. I was ticketed going 50 on Blake without even trying. I betting it was the rain and the BMW hydroplaned after the afternoon storm. Sad news for the kids. Oakton HS is my base school.

Congrats on regularly speeding near a school.

+1000

I hope the PP thinks twice before doing it again. Just because others do it doesn’t make it right. Goodness gracious.

NP here - are you familiar with Blake Lane? It's a 4-lane divided road - it's one of those places where it "feels" like the speed limit should be 45. And the school is nearby, not directly on Blake Lane. Please note - NONE of this excuses the reckless driving, but just pointing out - if you didn't know the school, you probably wouldn't know it was nearby.

Hmm.. to anyone who actually LIVES along Blake Lane, it sure doesn't "feel" like a 45 mph. It "feels" to me like my residential neighborhood where people need to effing slow down. Nothing bad will happen if it takes you a few more minutes to get to Chik-Fila. We are all responsible for creating a safe environment.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This reckless teen driver had a BMW. The other reckless FCPS kid who killed the 62 year old woman drove an Audi. Stop letting kids drive these cars.

I cannot believe those poor kids doing nothing more than walking home from school are now dead.

Any car can do 100mph. Any car can be driven recklessly. It isn’t the car. It’s the driver.

Try getting a 20 year old Toyota Camry to accelerate to 100mph in one residential block. Yes, that's what I drove in high school. It shook a little at high speeds.

Now I'm not saying every kid needs to drive a beater, but I don't think any teenager should be given a sports or luxury vehicle.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Blake lane has a 35 MPH speed limit but people regularly go 50 to 55 MPH. I was ticketed going 50 on Blake without even trying. I betting it was the rain and the BMW hydroplaned after the afternoon storm. Sad news for the kids. Oakton HS is my base school.

It happened at 11:45 well before the rain.

and reports indicate the BMW was going near 100 mph. This was an idiot kid, with way too powerful of a car.

So was the 4runner driver kid who turned directly into the path of the BMW

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Don't hold your breath for a harsh sentence for the driver. I know someone (an adult) that ran over two people while DUI and only served 3 years (suspended sentence down from 20). That's when I learned that when your "weapon" is a car, you can get away with pretty much anything.

This is true.

I am so, so sorry for the families joining this unbearable (and way too large) community of people whose loved ones were killed by reckless drivers.

Depending on when the driver got his license, isnt there a a law that says you can't have more than 1 un-related person in the car within like 18 months of getting a license? The purpose to curb having a back seat full of rowdy friends and huge distractions.

Yes, the law in Virginia says only one passenger under 21 who is unrelated to the driver for the 1st year you have your license. After a year, an under 18 driver is allowed to drive 3 unrelated passengers to and from a school sponsored event. So driving to and from school, you are allowed to drive 3 unrelated passengers. If the BMW driver was coming from school with 3 friends and had had his license for a year, he'd been following the rules. I don't think a sibling counts - so you could drive 3 friends plus your 14/15 year old sister/brother and be within the law.

But, the law also says don't driver higher than the speed limit. And we all know everyone always follows the law. (sarcasm.)

Such a horrible tragedy.

You are allowed to have up to three passengers if you are driving to and ftom a "school sponsored event." So, the driver may be o.k. on having passengers.

It was 18 year old will be named by the end of the week.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As of its 5:22 p.m. update, the Post is identifying the teen pedestrians as Oakton HS students. Here is part of that article:

Two Oakton High School students were killed and another was critically injured Tuesday when two vehicles collided and spun out of control at an intersection where the youths were walking, Fairfax County police said.

The victims, all teenage girls, were a block from their school, police said. This is the final week of the school year at Oakton and Tuesday was an early-release day, with classes ending at 11:30 a.m., shortly before the fatal accident.

The crash occurred about 11:46 a.m. at Blake Lane and Five Oaks Road in the Oakton area, on the opposite side of Route 66 from the school, according to Maj. Eli Cory, a police spokesman. He said the three girls, whom he did not identify, were taken to a hospital, where authorities later said two of them were pronounced dead. He said the third student’s injuries were “life-threatening."


The driver and a passenger from one of the vehicles, who also are juveniles, were injured but not seriously, he said. It was unclear if they also went to Oakton.

Cory said a BMW was traveling south on Blake “at a very high rate of speed” while the driver of a Toyota 4Runner, headed north on Blake, was attempting to turn left onto Five Oaks. The BMW stuck the 4Runner, then “ricocheted off the side of the road, hit the three pedestrians, hit a pole on the side of the road and finally came to rest down the street,” he said.



The three girls were walking along Blake and had just crossed Five Oaks before the 4Runner’s driver tried to make the turn, Cory said.

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The article does continue after that but that's the gist of it. So sad about the students killed--we have dear friends with an Oakton grad this year and this is sickening.

Everyone harping on the BMW driver, sounds like 4Runner misjudged the timing needed for the left hand turn directly in front of the BMW. BMW had no time to stop - even if they weren't speeding.

I was wondering the same thing. I am unfamiliar with the intersection, so I did not know if the 4Runner misjudged the turn, or was waiting for the turn as the girls crossed the road, all looked clear and then the BMW came up really fast. Regardless, tragic for all involved.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This reckless teen driver had a BMW. The other reckless FCPS kid who killed the 62 year old woman drove an Audi. Stop letting kids drive these cars.

I cannot believe those poor kids doing nothing more than walking home from school are now dead.

Any car can do 100mph. Any car can be driven recklessly. It isn’t the car. It’s the driver.

Try getting a 20 year old Toyota Camry to accelerate to 100mph in one residential block. Yes, that's what I drove in high school. It shook a little at high speeds.

Now I'm not saying every kid needs to drive a beater, but I don't think any teenager should be given a sports or luxury vehicle.

The 4Runner turned directly in front of the BMW.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It’s so sad/weird knowing that tonight SO many families near me are forever changed and processing an entirely new reality. The ones who lost children. The ones whose children are in hospital still. The ones whose child drove the car. The ones whose children were passengers. The ones nearby who witnessed. The friends of those killed. It’s just so exponential. So heartbreaking.

It really is horrendous.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As of its 5:22 p.m. update, the Post is identifying the teen pedestrians as Oakton HS students. Here is part of that article:

Two Oakton High School students were killed and another was critically injured Tuesday when two vehicles collided and spun out of control at an intersection where the youths were walking, Fairfax County police said.

The victims, all teenage girls, were a block from their school, police said. This is the final week of the school year at Oakton and Tuesday was an early-release day, with classes ending at 11:30 a.m., shortly before the fatal accident.

The crash occurred about 11:46 a.m. at Blake Lane and Five Oaks Road in the Oakton area, on the opposite side of Route 66 from the school, according to Maj. Eli Cory, a police spokesman. He said the three girls, whom he did not identify, were taken to a hospital, where authorities later said two of them were pronounced dead. He said the third student’s injuries were “life-threatening."


The driver and a passenger from one of the vehicles, who also are juveniles, were injured but not seriously, he said. It was unclear if they also went to Oakton.

Cory said a BMW was traveling south on Blake “at a very high rate of speed” while the driver of a Toyota 4Runner, headed north on Blake, was attempting to turn left onto Five Oaks. The BMW stuck the 4Runner, then “ricocheted off the side of the road, hit the three pedestrians, hit a pole on the side of the road and finally came to rest down the street,” he said.

The three girls were walking along Blake and had just crossed Five Oaks before the 4Runner’s driver tried to make the turn, Cory said.

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The article does continue after that but that's the gist of it. So sad about the students killed--we have dear friends with an Oakton grad this year and this is sickening.

Everyone harping on the BMW driver, sounds like 4Runner misjudged the timing needed for the left hand turn directly in front of the BMW. BMW had no time to stop - even if they weren't speeding.

I did not read it like that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This reckless teen driver had a BMW. The other reckless FCPS kid who killed the 62 year old woman drove an Audi. Stop letting kids drive these cars.

I cannot believe those poor kids doing nothing more than walking home from school are now dead.

Any car can do 100mph. Any car can be driven recklessly. It isn’t the car. It’s the driver.

Try getting a 20 year old Toyota Camry to accelerate to 100mph in one residential block. Yes, that's what I drove in high school. It shook a little at high speeds.

Now I'm not saying every kid needs to drive a beater, but I don't think any teenager should be given a sports or luxury vehicle.

The 4Runner turned directly in front of the BMW.

If the BMW was not speeding, it would not have ricocheted off the car and hit pedestrians. SPEED KILLS. If you are going to speed limit, you have time to react. OR, it would have been a 2 car accident with no pedestrian deaths.