Another violent incident at a MCPS school

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:advocates care more about arresting black and brown kids than they do physically protecting black and brown kids.

I'm advocating for the return of SROs and I could care less about the color of criminals. If a kid does a crime, then they should be arrested. You're the one that's making this about skin color.

I guess you aren't SSJC, then. They think police are the biggest public safety threat to the county. Arrests matter more than deaths.

[Anonymous]

It's not the white kids who are getting hurt. Black lives can't matter until people help protect kids from violence. You can do it in a better way than it was done 20 years ago. But do it. Don't sit back and talk about all the "harm" of arrests -- juvenile arrests don't go on any record, 98% don't involve putting someone in confinement, and instead result in a letter written to parents.

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Anonymous wrote:This is not new this happened with SRO’s in the school. This happened in the 2000’s, the 90’s, the 80’s, the 70’s… this is not new.

This is not a police matter

I agree the victim should not go to school with these kids.

If it’s a police matter, they get charged with simple assault, misdemeanor … no punishment and are in school next day.

Y’all are missing the forest for the trees

Robbery? So if you were in a dressing room at the mall and were confronted by a group who took your shoes, you would be good with not reporting it to the police?

Right. and these posters that are acting likes its no big deal are full of sh$t.

Imagine if 4 coworkers jumped you in the bathroom, beat you up, and took your shoes.

And HR said "come on, this isn't a big deal. no, we're not going to call the police. No, we're not going to fire these people. Yes, you'll have to share the break room with them when you are all on break together."

Go ahead call the police.

They will tell you how to go to the station and “file a report”. A cop is not wasting his time on your stolen Uggs.

Cops actually don’t respond to these calls. Security might writes a report and if you want to you can take the report to a station to submit a complaint.

Cops don’t respond to somebody that hit your car either unless there is bodily harm requiring a ambulance. You know how expensive and traumatic a smashed car is?

It’s like none of you even know what police do.

The police in this story came to the school and then took the four students to the station for further investigation so, at least in this case, you're demonstrably incorrect.

You can’t read. The question was about shoes being stolen from a store.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This is not new this happened with SRO’s in the school. This happened in the 2000’s, the 90’s, the 80’s, the 70’s… this is not new.

This is not a police matter

I agree the victim should not go to school with these kids.

If it’s a police matter, they get charged with simple assault, misdemeanor … no punishment and are in school next day.

Y’all are missing the forest for the trees

I'd agree that this isn't new (I was robbed in high school although it was less traumatic than this sounds), but if you both assault someone and steal something, that's a charge of robbery and it's a felony. I'm fine with the police being involved with that. I don't think it's a sign of crisis, but it's a serious charge.

Theft of used shoes is literally theft of <$50. No it’s not a felony FFS!

It’s neither serious nor trauma but it does require discipline.

Well, not to nitpicking, but used sneakers routinely go for 75-100 bucks.

But let me tell you, I got mugged. As an adult. And I probably lost about 50 bucks in cash and my old wallet. I cancelled all cards. So at the end of the day, I was out 50 bucks plus the cost of a new wallet.

And it was traumatic AF.

The cost of the theft is irrelevant to the fear/trauma inflected.

Plus, layer in that the victim is a CHILD!!!!! And that victim deserves the respect. They should not have to sit in a class with or pass their mugger in a hallway.

In case you can't tell, the community is starting to get frustrated with MCPS' approach to discipline.

And for all the posters who are saying this is just reflective of the increased crime in the community: where do you think all those criminals in the community first started? They started with stunts like this. If we want to improve crime in 5-8 years, we need to teach these young men and women at the early age that theft and violence is unacceptable and has severe consequences.

But to nitpick but unless the shoes cost >$500 it’s a misdemeanor.

The assault and battery with no bodily harm is also a misdemeanor and a juvenile offense literally has no criminal consequences.

Actually assaults like these in society come from not educating kids and putting them in the criminal justice system at an early age. Denying them an education will lead them to assault in the future.

We educate people for society not for the children.

I don’t think the victim should ever see them again and the perps should move.

Your reflexive reaction based in your own trauma is delusional.

Denying them an education? What education are these kids getting at Northwood? My kid is at Northwood and he said these kids always skip classes and roam the hallways. What is the point of insisting that kids like this must stay in regular school. Several of the kids who assaulted the kid and took his shoes have caused fights and been suspended several times. Yet they keep returning to the detriment of all the other kids at the school.

These kids? Which kids? You know the 4 in the bathroom?

Which kids do you mean?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:They took the kid's shoes in a bathroom without a weapon. Should be disciplined, but I think this is only making news because of the Magruder incident. I'm sure these types of things happen every day.

Kids get mugged in MCPS schools every day and you don't think it's a big deal?

Is it your kids doing this? Seems like a strange response

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This is not new this happened with SRO’s in the school. This happened in the 2000’s, the 90’s, the 80’s, the 70’s… this is not new.

This is not a police matter

I agree the victim should not go to school with these kids.

If it’s a police matter, they get charged with simple assault, misdemeanor … no punishment and are in school next day.

Y’all are missing the forest for the trees

I'd agree that this isn't new (I was robbed in high school although it was less traumatic than this sounds), but if you both assault someone and steal something, that's a charge of robbery and it's a felony. I'm fine with the police being involved with that. I don't think it's a sign of crisis, but it's a serious charge.

Theft of used shoes is literally theft of <$50. No it’s not a felony FFS!

It’s neither serious nor trauma but it does require discipline.

Well, not to nitpicking, but used sneakers routinely go for 75-100 bucks.

But let me tell you, I got mugged. As an adult. And I probably lost about 50 bucks in cash and my old wallet. I cancelled all cards. So at the end of the day, I was out 50 bucks plus the cost of a new wallet.

And it was traumatic AF.

The cost of the theft is irrelevant to the fear/trauma inflected.

Plus, layer in that the victim is a CHILD!!!!! And that victim deserves the respect. They should not have to sit in a class with or pass their mugger in a hallway.

In case you can't tell, the community is starting to get frustrated with MCPS' approach to discipline.

And for all the posters who are saying this is just reflective of the increased crime in the community: where do you think all those criminals in the community first started? They started with stunts like this. If we want to improve crime in 5-8 years, we need to teach these young men and women at the early age that theft and violence is unacceptable and has severe consequences.

But to nitpick but unless the shoes cost >$500 it’s a misdemeanor.

The assault and battery with no bodily harm is also a misdemeanor and a juvenile offense literally has no criminal consequences.

Actually assaults like these in society come from not educating kids and putting them in the criminal justice system at an early age. Denying them an education will lead them to assault in the future.

We educate people for society not for the children.

I don’t think the victim should ever see them again and the perps should move.

Your reflexive reaction based in your own trauma is delusional.

Denying them an education? What education are these kids getting at Northwood? My kid is at Northwood and he said these kids always skip classes and roam the hallways. What is the point of insisting that kids like this must stay in regular school. Several of the kids who assaulted the kid and took his shoes have caused fights and been suspended several times. Yet they keep returning to the detriment of all the other kids at the school.

These kids? Which kids? You know the 4 in the bathroom?

Which kids do you mean?

You know exactly which kids. The kids who don’t go to class. The kids who have no motivation to do any work. The kids who are disruptive and rude. There are plenty of them at our school and the misbehave regularly because there is no reason for them not to.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This is not new this happened with SRO’s in the school. This happened in the 2000’s, the 90’s, the 80’s, the 70’s… this is not new.

This is not a police matter

I agree the victim should not go to school with these kids.

If it’s a police matter, they get charged with simple assault, misdemeanor … no punishment and are in school next day.

Y’all are missing the forest for the trees

Robbery? So if you were in a dressing room at the mall and were confronted by a group who took your shoes, you would be good with not reporting it to the police?

Right. and these posters that are acting likes its no big deal are full of sh$t.

Imagine if 4 coworkers jumped you in the bathroom, beat you up, and took your shoes.

And HR said "come on, this isn't a big deal. no, we're not going to call the police. No, we're not going to fire these people. Yes, you'll have to share the break room with them when you are all on break together."

Go ahead call the police.

They will tell you how to go to the station and “file a report”. A cop is not wasting his time on your stolen Uggs.

Cops actually don’t respond to these calls. Security might writes a report and if you want to you can take the report to a station to submit a complaint.

Cops don’t respond to somebody that hit your car either unless there is bodily harm requiring a ambulance. You know how expensive and traumatic a smashed car is?

It’s like none of you even know what police do.

The police in this story came to the school and then took the four students to the station for further investigation so, at least in this case, you're demonstrably incorrect.

The cops had to come and handcuff the kids and take them out. They would not cooperate with school staff or police. Yet I’m sure they will be back in school next week

Yep. And back in the classroom with their victim.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:And watch, these types of incidents will continue.

And more MC parents will tighten their belts and switch to private, or move to neighboring counties.

And next summer/fall, MCPS will announce another drop in attendance.

And they will pontificate, and tweet about it, and wring their hands, and wonder what to do about the corresponding reduction in funding.

And. Nothing. Will. Change.

We just bought a new place in Clarksburg which we thought was our forever home a few years ago and we are now seriously contemplating taking a possible loss to move out of MoCo. I can't imagine sending my kids to a school that has neverending violent fights.

And where are you moving to because similar incidents happen everyday is schools all across the country, including are neighboring counties and have been for decades.

Wrong. Look around at the next county over where the local politicians and BoE aren't crazy over-the-top social justice warriors. I have plenty of friends there and this isn't happening as frequently at their schools.

Please move to a red state where a fight in the bathroom is part of becoming a man.

You mean a rape in the bathroom?
And yes, my friends' kids don't have to pass by fights every time they walk to the cafeteria. They don't see teachers having to get in between girls beating the hell out of each other just because one was looking at the other the wrong way. They don't regularly see fights in bathrooms where there are spectators egging them on and taking videos. They don't hear kids threatening other kids that they'll shoot them up after school. They sit in classrooms where there aren't kids cursing at teachers the majority of the time. I grew up in this county and went to school here. It's never been this bad. Yes, there were fights but nothing to this extent. It's atrocious.

You do realize you’re exaggerating the extent to which things are happening? Fights and threats happened in schools when you were in HS. Just because you weren’t involved or didn’t know doesn’t make this a new phenomenon. The difference is 1) media has greatly increased so people are more aware of things happening, and 2)Student behavior problems are up across the country following pandemic lockdown and isolation. There are kids(yes even in this county) who are going to class each day and learning just fine.

Are you defending these criminal acts as no big deal just because there are dedicated focused kids who actually learn under these circumstances? No child should have to go to school and learn to deal with fights and thefts or the fear of going to the bathroom. Do not try to normalize this behavior, it wasn’t ok then and it’s not ok now. You are part of the problem when you try to sweep these things under the rug.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They took the kid's shoes in a bathroom without a weapon. Should be disciplined, but I think this is only making news because of the Magruder incident. I'm sure these types of things happen every day.

Kids get mugged in MCPS schools every day and you don't think it's a big deal?

Is it your kids doing this? Seems like a strange response

Yea I'm convinced ^PP's kid is a criminal and troublemaker. Probably belongs in juvie hall. Instead, they want their kid to be able to walk around the school bullying and stealing stuff and be "discplined" using RJ because that'll teach him.

PP probably can't even discipline their own child at home and wants the school to do it instead.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This is not new this happened with SRO’s in the school. This happened in the 2000’s, the 90’s, the 80’s, the 70’s… this is not new.

This is not a police matter

I agree the victim should not go to school with these kids.

If it’s a police matter, they get charged with simple assault, misdemeanor … no punishment and are in school next day.

Y’all are missing the forest for the trees

I'd agree that this isn't new (I was robbed in high school although it was less traumatic than this sounds), but if you both assault someone and steal something, that's a charge of robbery and it's a felony. I'm fine with the police being involved with that. I don't think it's a sign of crisis, but it's a serious charge.

Theft of used shoes is literally theft of <$50. No it’s not a felony FFS!

It’s neither serious nor trauma but it does require discipline.

Well, not to nitpicking, but used sneakers routinely go for 75-100 bucks.

But let me tell you, I got mugged. As an adult. And I probably lost about 50 bucks in cash and my old wallet. I cancelled all cards. So at the end of the day, I was out 50 bucks plus the cost of a new wallet.

And it was traumatic AF.

The cost of the theft is irrelevant to the fear/trauma inflected.

Plus, layer in that the victim is a CHILD!!!!! And that victim deserves the respect. They should not have to sit in a class with or pass their mugger in a hallway.

In case you can't tell, the community is starting to get frustrated with MCPS' approach to discipline.

And for all the posters who are saying this is just reflective of the increased crime in the community: where do you think all those criminals in the community first started? They started with stunts like this. If we want to improve crime in 5-8 years, we need to teach these young men and women at the early age that theft and violence is unacceptable and has severe consequences.

But to nitpick but unless the shoes cost >$500 it’s a misdemeanor.

The assault and battery with no bodily harm is also a misdemeanor and a juvenile offense literally has no criminal consequences.

Actually assaults like these in society come from not educating kids and putting them in the criminal justice system at an early age. Denying them an education will lead them to assault in the future.

We educate people for society not for the children.

I don’t think the victim should ever see them again and the perps should move.

Your reflexive reaction based in your own trauma is delusional.

Denying them an education? What education are these kids getting at Northwood? My kid is at Northwood and he said these kids always skip classes and roam the hallways. What is the point of insisting that kids like this must stay in regular school. Several of the kids who assaulted the kid and took his shoes have caused fights and been suspended several times. Yet they keep returning to the detriment of all the other kids at the school.

These kids? Which kids? You know the 4 in the bathroom?

Which kids do you mean?

Yes. Everyone at the school knows exactly which kids these are. The police were in the hallway trying to deal with the miscreants.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Imagine if this happened to you, at work, by your co-workers, who continued to work there.

and your manager makes you two hug it out.

Exactly. Unacceptable.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This is not new this happened with SRO’s in the school. This happened in the 2000’s, the 90’s, the 80’s, the 70’s… this is not new.

This is not a police matter

I agree the victim should not go to school with these kids.

If it’s a police matter, they get charged with simple assault, misdemeanor … no punishment and are in school next day.

Y’all are missing the forest for the trees

I'd agree that this isn't new (I was robbed in high school although it was less traumatic than this sounds), but if you both assault someone and steal something, that's a charge of robbery and it's a felony. I'm fine with the police being involved with that. I don't think it's a sign of crisis, but it's a serious charge.

Theft of used shoes is literally theft of <$50. No it’s not a felony FFS!

It’s neither serious nor trauma but it does require discipline.

Well, not to nitpicking, but used sneakers routinely go for 75-100 bucks.

But let me tell you, I got mugged. As an adult. And I probably lost about 50 bucks in cash and my old wallet. I cancelled all cards. So at the end of the day, I was out 50 bucks plus the cost of a new wallet.

And it was traumatic AF.

The cost of the theft is irrelevant to the fear/trauma inflected.

Plus, layer in that the victim is a CHILD!!!!! And that victim deserves the respect. They should not have to sit in a class with or pass their mugger in a hallway.

In case you can't tell, the community is starting to get frustrated with MCPS' approach to discipline.

And for all the posters who are saying this is just reflective of the increased crime in the community: where do you think all those criminals in the community first started? They started with stunts like this. If we want to improve crime in 5-8 years, we need to teach these young men and women at the early age that theft and violence is unacceptable and has severe consequences.

But to nitpick but unless the shoes cost >$500 it’s a misdemeanor.

The assault and battery with no bodily harm is also a misdemeanor and a juvenile offense literally has no criminal consequences.

Actually assaults like these in society come from not educating kids and putting them in the criminal justice system at an early age. Denying them an education will lead them to assault in the future.

We educate people for society not for the children.

I don’t think the victim should ever see them again and the perps should move.

Your reflexive reaction based in your own trauma is delusional.

Denying them an education? What education are these kids getting at Northwood? My kid is at Northwood and he said these kids always skip classes and roam the hallways. What is the point of insisting that kids like this must stay in regular school. Several of the kids who assaulted the kid and took his shoes have caused fights and been suspended several times. Yet they keep returning to the detriment of all the other kids at the school.

These kids? Which kids? You know the 4 in the bathroom?

Which kids do you mean?

Yes. Everyone at the school knows exactly which kids these are. The police were in the hallway trying to deal with the miscreants.

So police are in the hallways trying to police kids that haven’t even done anything wrong yet based on some assumptions you make about them. Thanks for proving everybody’s point about SRO’s being bad.

[Anonymous]

They should have brought SROs back when kids were ripping sinks off the walls and throwing soap dispensers down the stairs wells.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This is not new this happened with SRO’s in the school. This happened in the 2000’s, the 90’s, the 80’s, the 70’s… this is not new.

This is not a police matter

I agree the victim should not go to school with these kids.

If it’s a police matter, they get charged with simple assault, misdemeanor … no punishment and are in school next day.

Y’all are missing the forest for the trees

I'd agree that this isn't new (I was robbed in high school although it was less traumatic than this sounds), but if you both assault someone and steal something, that's a charge of robbery and it's a felony. I'm fine with the police being involved with that. I don't think it's a sign of crisis, but it's a serious charge.

Theft of used shoes is literally theft of <$50. No it’s not a felony FFS!

It’s neither serious nor trauma but it does require discipline.

Well, not to nitpicking, but used sneakers routinely go for 75-100 bucks.

But let me tell you, I got mugged. As an adult. And I probably lost about 50 bucks in cash and my old wallet. I cancelled all cards. So at the end of the day, I was out 50 bucks plus the cost of a new wallet.

And it was traumatic AF.

The cost of the theft is irrelevant to the fear/trauma inflected.

Plus, layer in that the victim is a CHILD!!!!! And that victim deserves the respect. They should not have to sit in a class with or pass their mugger in a hallway.

In case you can't tell, the community is starting to get frustrated with MCPS' approach to discipline.

And for all the posters who are saying this is just reflective of the increased crime in the community: where do you think all those criminals in the community first started? They started with stunts like this. If we want to improve crime in 5-8 years, we need to teach these young men and women at the early age that theft and violence is unacceptable and has severe consequences.

But to nitpick but unless the shoes cost >$500 it’s a misdemeanor.

The assault and battery with no bodily harm is also a misdemeanor and a juvenile offense literally has no criminal consequences.

Actually assaults like these in society come from not educating kids and putting them in the criminal justice system at an early age. Denying them an education will lead them to assault in the future.

We educate people for society not for the children.

I don’t think the victim should ever see them again and the perps should move.

Your reflexive reaction based in your own trauma is delusional.

Denying them an education? What education are these kids getting at Northwood? My kid is at Northwood and he said these kids always skip classes and roam the hallways. What is the point of insisting that kids like this must stay in regular school. Several of the kids who assaulted the kid and took his shoes have caused fights and been suspended several times. Yet they keep returning to the detriment of all the other kids at the school.

These kids? Which kids? You know the 4 in the bathroom?

Which kids do you mean?

You know exactly which kids. The kids who don’t go to class. The kids who have no motivation to do any work. The kids who are disruptive and rude. There are plenty of them at our school and the misbehave regularly because there is no reason for them not to.

Yep. I am a high school teacher, too. Kids just don’t go to class and wander around the building. They don’t get failed for skipping classes. They can just turn in a few assignments to get an E up to a D or C and get credit. I saw a kid just sitting in the stairs in front of the office with a security standing next to him. He was just playing in his phone.

The current policies make it impossible to hold kids accountable and teachers can get in trouble if too many kids don’t pass. This lead to the shooting at Magruder and is happening at all the other high schools where kids don’t care about education.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This is not new this happened with SRO’s in the school. This happened in the 2000’s, the 90’s, the 80’s, the 70’s… this is not new.

This is not a police matter

I agree the victim should not go to school with these kids.

If it’s a police matter, they get charged with simple assault, misdemeanor … no punishment and are in school next day.

Y’all are missing the forest for the trees

I'd agree that this isn't new (I was robbed in high school although it was less traumatic than this sounds), but if you both assault someone and steal something, that's a charge of robbery and it's a felony. I'm fine with the police being involved with that. I don't think it's a sign of crisis, but it's a serious charge.

Theft of used shoes is literally theft of <$50. No it’s not a felony FFS!

It’s neither serious nor trauma but it does require discipline.

Well, not to nitpicking, but used sneakers routinely go for 75-100 bucks.

But let me tell you, I got mugged. As an adult. And I probably lost about 50 bucks in cash and my old wallet. I cancelled all cards. So at the end of the day, I was out 50 bucks plus the cost of a new wallet.

And it was traumatic AF.

The cost of the theft is irrelevant to the fear/trauma inflected.

Plus, layer in that the victim is a CHILD!!!!! And that victim deserves the respect. They should not have to sit in a class with or pass their mugger in a hallway.

In case you can't tell, the community is starting to get frustrated with MCPS' approach to discipline.

And for all the posters who are saying this is just reflective of the increased crime in the community: where do you think all those criminals in the community first started? They started with stunts like this. If we want to improve crime in 5-8 years, we need to teach these young men and women at the early age that theft and violence is unacceptable and has severe consequences.

But to nitpick but unless the shoes cost >$500 it’s a misdemeanor.

The assault and battery with no bodily harm is also a misdemeanor and a juvenile offense literally has no criminal consequences.

Actually assaults like these in society come from not educating kids and putting them in the criminal justice system at an early age. Denying them an education will lead them to assault in the future.

We educate people for society not for the children.

I don’t think the victim should ever see them again and the perps should move.

Your reflexive reaction based in your own trauma is delusional.

Denying them an education? What education are these kids getting at Northwood? My kid is at Northwood and he said these kids always skip classes and roam the hallways. What is the point of insisting that kids like this must stay in regular school. Several of the kids who assaulted the kid and took his shoes have caused fights and been suspended several times. Yet they keep returning to the detriment of all the other kids at the school.

These kids? Which kids? You know the 4 in the bathroom?

Which kids do you mean?

Yes. Everyone at the school knows exactly which kids these are. The police were in the hallway trying to deal with the miscreants.

So police are in the hallways trying to police kids that haven’t even done anything wrong yet based on some assumptions you make about them. Thanks for proving everybody’s point about SRO’s being bad.

Miscreant (n) - a person who behaves badly or in a way that breaks the law
So… the PP’s post does NOT show SROs being bad.
(I’d also argue that your “everybody” is misplaced since it appears most people on this thread support SROs.)