Another violent incident at a MCPS school

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:At some point, y’all are going to realize this isn’t normal in most high schools. My daughter spent a year in a well-regarded MOCO high school. We realized within the first quarter that it was a mistake. The only saving grace was the IB program. We still pulled her out and transferred.

My son graduated last year from a high school in a different state. He was suspended (in-school suspension) for three days because a teacher overheard him say “damn” when he dropped his phone. Three days for cursing. There is zero tolerance for disrespectful behavior. There was one fight his entire senior year and it was after a football game. No weapons ever found. No drugs ever found. Zero tolerance for bullying or harassment.

Until schools start kicking these kids out, the problems will continue. What happens to kids who are suspended? Who cares? They are no longer the schools’ problem. Let ‘em get right or go to jail.

Yup. I agree 100%.

MCPS should do what they do in Florida. Set up a virtual HS and kid the violent and disruptive kids out, tell them if they return to school property they will be arrested for trespassing and give them a login for virtual HS school if they want to complete their education. They are not learning anything in school anyway and preventing other kids who actually want to learn the ability to do so.

That would be a fantastic idea.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Unfortunately, for the most part, kids don't change. For many of them it takes prison as a wakeup call and sometimes even then a few different prison terms before they realize "hey, maybe I'm doing something wrong." Knew a few people who were violent/drugs/rebels in high school and most ended up doing prison time regardless of how many adults intervened and in what way. But they made a lot of people's lives miserable along the way. RJ is trash

So you support the school to prison pipeline? to give them a "wakeup call"?

So you support just letting criminals keep coming back to schools to yak things over with their victims and then repeatedly commit crimes and?

PP is correct. Restorative Justice is trash.

If that's what you want, you need to address it with the County Council and Exec, not schools. Work to get them to increase the juvenile penal system. MCPS doesn't have that authority.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Unfortunately, for the most part, kids don't change. For many of them it takes prison as a wakeup call and sometimes even then a few different prison terms before they realize "hey, maybe I'm doing something wrong." Knew a few people who were violent/drugs/rebels in high school and most ended up doing prison time regardless of how many adults intervened and in what way. But they made a lot of people's lives miserable along the way. RJ is trash

So you support the school to prison pipeline? to give them a "wakeup call"?

So you support just letting criminals keep coming back to schools to yak things over with their victims and then repeatedly commit crimes and?

PP is correct. Restorative Justice is trash.

If that's what you want, you need to address it with the County Council and Exec, not schools. Work to get them to increase the juvenile penal system. MCPS doesn't have that authority.

Yes, RJ is a proven system that works. Turning schools into prisons with guards not so much.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:At some point, y’all are going to realize this isn’t normal in most high schools. My daughter spent a year in a well-regarded MOCO high school. We realized within the first quarter that it was a mistake. The only saving grace was the IB program. We still pulled her out and transferred.

My son graduated last year from a high school in a different state. He was suspended (in-school suspension) for three days because a teacher overheard him say “damn” when he dropped his phone. Three days for cursing. There is zero tolerance for disrespectful behavior. There was one fight his entire senior year and it was after a football game. No weapons ever found. No drugs ever found. Zero tolerance for bullying or harassment.

Until schools start kicking these kids out, the problems will continue. What happens to kids who are suspended? Who cares? They are no longer the schools’ problem. Let ‘em get right or go to jail.

Yup. I agree 100%.

MCPS should do what they do in Florida. Set up a virtual HS and kid the violent and disruptive kids out, tell them if they return to school property they will be arrested for trespassing and give them a login for virtual HS school if they want to complete their education. They are not learning anything in school anyway and preventing other kids who actually want to learn the ability to do so.

That would be a fantastic idea.

Wouldn't that make these kids into an even bigger problem for the community?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Hmm. So from what I understand, I am pretty pro-no SROs in schools, because the school to prison pipeline is absolutely a real thing, and I went to school myself and as I recall, the presence or absence of SROs made pretty much no difference to student behavior. Like, a group of kids plotting to mug someone for their shoes doesn't stop and go "I don't know guys, Officer Friendly won't be too happy about this!" Like, they already know they're going to get caught, or would if they were thinking about consequences whatsoever, and don't care. I really doubt the recent incidents are because of the removal of SROs.

However, kids should absolutely not have to fear being violently assaulted, not to mention be expected to keep going to school with their attackers. I feel sure that people more educated than me on these topics have come to some conclusions about how to handle the problem of educating violent students. Deciding they are lost causes that belong in jail at 16 is wrong, but letting them continue to prey on other kids is not acceptable. SROs aren't bodyguards and can't fix this, but what can?

There is no school-to-prison pipeline. There is a shittyparent-to-prison pipeline.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:At some point, y’all are going to realize this isn’t normal in most high schools. My daughter spent a year in a well-regarded MOCO high school. We realized within the first quarter that it was a mistake. The only saving grace was the IB program. We still pulled her out and transferred.

My son graduated last year from a high school in a different state. He was suspended (in-school suspension) for three days because a teacher overheard him say “damn” when he dropped his phone. Three days for cursing. There is zero tolerance for disrespectful behavior. There was one fight his entire senior year and it was after a football game. No weapons ever found. No drugs ever found. Zero tolerance for bullying or harassment.

Until schools start kicking these kids out, the problems will continue. What happens to kids who are suspended? Who cares? They are no longer the schools’ problem. Let ‘em get right or go to jail.

Yup. I agree 100%.

MCPS should do what they do in Florida. Set up a virtual HS and kid the violent and disruptive kids out, tell them if they return to school property they will be arrested for trespassing and give them a login for virtual HS school if they want to complete their education. They are not learning anything in school anyway and preventing other kids who actually want to learn the ability to do so.

That would be a fantastic idea.

Wouldn't that make these kids into an even bigger problem for the community?

And if they are, their parents will need to step it up. Why should the school, staff, and students take on the burden of dealing with them? We cannot forget the fact that the primary objective of school is to obtain an education.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:At some point, y’all are going to realize this isn’t normal in most high schools. My daughter spent a year in a well-regarded MOCO high school. We realized within the first quarter that it was a mistake. The only saving grace was the IB program. We still pulled her out and transferred.

My son graduated last year from a high school in a different state. He was suspended (in-school suspension) for three days because a teacher overheard him say “damn” when he dropped his phone. Three days for cursing. There is zero tolerance for disrespectful behavior. There was one fight his entire senior year and it was after a football game. No weapons ever found. No drugs ever found. Zero tolerance for bullying or harassment.

Until schools start kicking these kids out, the problems will continue. What happens to kids who are suspended? Who cares? They are no longer the schools’ problem. Let ‘em get right or go to jail.

Yup. I agree 100%.

MCPS should do what they do in Florida. Set up a virtual HS and kid the violent and disruptive kids out, tell them if they return to school property they will be arrested for trespassing and give them a login for virtual HS school if they want to complete their education. They are not learning anything in school anyway and preventing other kids who actually want to learn the ability to do so.

That would be a fantastic idea.

Wouldn't that make these kids into an even bigger problem for the community?

Yes. Years of study has proven what kids need is help, not to be written off.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:At some point, y’all are going to realize this isn’t normal in most high schools. My daughter spent a year in a well-regarded MOCO high school. We realized within the first quarter that it was a mistake. The only saving grace was the IB program. We still pulled her out and transferred.

My son graduated last year from a high school in a different state. He was suspended (in-school suspension) for three days because a teacher overheard him say “damn” when he dropped his phone. Three days for cursing. There is zero tolerance for disrespectful behavior. There was one fight his entire senior year and it was after a football game. No weapons ever found. No drugs ever found. Zero tolerance for bullying or harassment.

Until schools start kicking these kids out, the problems will continue. What happens to kids who are suspended? Who cares? They are no longer the schools’ problem. Let ‘em get right or go to jail.

Yup. I agree 100%.

MCPS should do what they do in Florida. Set up a virtual HS and kid the violent and disruptive kids out, tell them if they return to school property they will be arrested for trespassing and give them a login for virtual HS school if they want to complete their education. They are not learning anything in school anyway and preventing other kids who actually want to learn the ability to do so.

That would be a fantastic idea.

Wouldn't that make these kids into an even bigger problem for the community?

And if they are, their parents will need to step it up. Why should the school, staff, and students take on the burden of dealing with them? We cannot forget the fact that the primary objective of school is to obtain an education.

Because we believe in and value this thing called community. Oh wait, that’s right we don’t actually believe that as a US community, but yet we’ve issued an education mandate. A mandate that is impossible without community and so schools do whatever they can to be establish and be that community that is needed so that they can fulfill their primary objective.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:At some point, y’all are going to realize this isn’t normal in most high schools. My daughter spent a year in a well-regarded MOCO high school. We realized within the first quarter that it was a mistake. The only saving grace was the IB program. We still pulled her out and transferred.

My son graduated last year from a high school in a different state. He was suspended (in-school suspension) for three days because a teacher overheard him say “damn” when he dropped his phone. Three days for cursing. There is zero tolerance for disrespectful behavior. There was one fight his entire senior year and it was after a football game. No weapons ever found. No drugs ever found. Zero tolerance for bullying or harassment.

Until schools start kicking these kids out, the problems will continue. What happens to kids who are suspended? Who cares? They are no longer the schools’ problem. Let ‘em get right or go to jail.

Yup. I agree 100%.

MCPS should do what they do in Florida. Set up a virtual HS and kid the violent and disruptive kids out, tell them if they return to school property they will be arrested for trespassing and give them a login for virtual HS school if they want to complete their education. They are not learning anything in school anyway and preventing other kids who actually want to learn the ability to do so.

That would be a fantastic idea.

Wouldn't that make these kids into an even bigger problem for the community?

Yes. Years of study has proven what kids need is help, not to be written off.

The question is whose job is it to do that. Schools can't take on all of society's problems. At the end of the day, they have to provide an education and online school provides that. If you're violent, you get online schooling. If not, then you can attend in person with other students. It's that simple.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:At some point, y’all are going to realize this isn’t normal in most high schools. My daughter spent a year in a well-regarded MOCO high school. We realized within the first quarter that it was a mistake. The only saving grace was the IB program. We still pulled her out and transferred.

My son graduated last year from a high school in a different state. He was suspended (in-school suspension) for three days because a teacher overheard him say “damn” when he dropped his phone. Three days for cursing. There is zero tolerance for disrespectful behavior. There was one fight his entire senior year and it was after a football game. No weapons ever found. No drugs ever found. Zero tolerance for bullying or harassment.

Until schools start kicking these kids out, the problems will continue. What happens to kids who are suspended? Who cares? They are no longer the schools’ problem. Let ‘em get right or go to jail.

Yup. I agree 100%.

MCPS should do what they do in Florida. Set up a virtual HS and kid the violent and disruptive kids out, tell them if they return to school property they will be arrested for trespassing and give them a login for virtual HS school if they want to complete their education. They are not learning anything in school anyway and preventing other kids who actually want to learn the ability to do so.

That would be a fantastic idea.

Wouldn't that make these kids into an even bigger problem for the community?

Yes. Years of study has proven what kids need is help, not to be written off.

The question is whose job is it to do that. Schools can't take on all of society's problems. At the end of the day, they have to provide an education and online school provides that. If you're violent, you get online schooling. If not, then you can attend in person with other students. It's that simple.

Who defines "violent"? Are you suggesting the courts get involved in every school incident? Or do some people get to pick and choose who seems "violent"?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:At some point, y’all are going to realize this isn’t normal in most high schools. My daughter spent a year in a well-regarded MOCO high school. We realized within the first quarter that it was a mistake. The only saving grace was the IB program. We still pulled her out and transferred.

My son graduated last year from a high school in a different state. He was suspended (in-school suspension) for three days because a teacher overheard him say “damn” when he dropped his phone. Three days for cursing. There is zero tolerance for disrespectful behavior. There was one fight his entire senior year and it was after a football game. No weapons ever found. No drugs ever found. Zero tolerance for bullying or harassment.

Until schools start kicking these kids out, the problems will continue. What happens to kids who are suspended? Who cares? They are no longer the schools’ problem. Let ‘em get right or go to jail.

Yup. I agree 100%.

MCPS should do what they do in Florida. Set up a virtual HS and kid the violent and disruptive kids out, tell them if they return to school property they will be arrested for trespassing and give them a login for virtual HS school if they want to complete their education. They are not learning anything in school anyway and preventing other kids who actually want to learn the ability to do so.

That would be a fantastic idea.

Wouldn't that make these kids into an even bigger problem for the community?

Not if they are also required to work with social workers and get therapy or be evaluated etc. parents need to take responsibility or the state can intervene and require that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:At some point, y’all are going to realize this isn’t normal in most high schools. My daughter spent a year in a well-regarded MOCO high school. We realized within the first quarter that it was a mistake. The only saving grace was the IB program. We still pulled her out and transferred.

My son graduated last year from a high school in a different state. He was suspended (in-school suspension) for three days because a teacher overheard him say “damn” when he dropped his phone. Three days for cursing. There is zero tolerance for disrespectful behavior. There was one fight his entire senior year and it was after a football game. No weapons ever found. No drugs ever found. Zero tolerance for bullying or harassment.

Until schools start kicking these kids out, the problems will continue. What happens to kids who are suspended? Who cares? They are no longer the schools’ problem. Let ‘em get right or go to jail.

Yup. I agree 100%.

MCPS should do what they do in Florida. Set up a virtual HS and kid the violent and disruptive kids out, tell them if they return to school property they will be arrested for trespassing and give them a login for virtual HS school if they want to complete their education. They are not learning anything in school anyway and preventing other kids who actually want to learn the ability to do so.

That would be a fantastic idea.

Wouldn't that make these kids into an even bigger problem for the community?

Yes. Years of study has proven what kids need is help, not to be written off.

The question is whose job is it to do that. Schools can't take on all of society's problems. At the end of the day, they have to provide an education and online school provides that. If you're violent, you get online schooling. If not, then you can attend in person with other students. It's that simple.

Who defines "violent"? Are you suggesting the courts get involved in every school incident? Or do some people get to pick and choose who seems "violent"?

If you bring a weapon to school, as in gun or the like. If you attack others, not in self defense. I’d say there are ways to determine what behavior warrants being kicked out of school. It should be based on severity and frequency.

[Anonymous]

Part of the reason is the covert racism, innuendos and microaggressions students are being exposed to by staff members. Over the years I have had numerous parents come and tell me what they have heard when my colleagues have been gossiping in the presence of the parents, thinking the parent is unable to understand English. I have had students both in elementary and middle school tell me what Ms. X was saying Ms. Y about me. All of us get these annual trainings about being tolerant of each other, but when it comes to implementation, the reality is different. In my colleagues' mindset, someone who looks like me and sounds like me should be a building service worker, a secretary or at most a teacher's assistant. This culture is being passed to the students. Not everyone is very strong emotionally. Not every student is strong enough to ignore and look the other way. Some of them are exploding.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Part of the reason is the covert racism, innuendos and microaggressions students are being exposed to by staff members. Over the years I have had numerous parents come and tell me what they have heard when my colleagues have been gossiping in the presence of the parents, thinking the parent is unable to understand English. I have had students both in elementary and middle school tell me what Ms. X was saying Ms. Y about me. All of us get these annual trainings about being tolerant of each other, but when it comes to implementation, the reality is different. In my colleagues' mindset, someone who looks like me and sounds like me should be a building service worker, a secretary or at most a teacher's assistant. This culture is being passed to the students. Not everyone is very strong emotionally. Not every student is strong enough to ignore and look the other way. Some of them are exploding.

Here another example of how some in the society look at everything through lens of race. This is exactly what MCPS leadership is doing as well. They are appeasing a certain group and drag everyone else to the mud.
This discussion is about violence in the school perpetuated by some that impacts staff, teachers and the students who are more academically focused. We need SROs at school and provide support for violent kids outside of school not endangering other kids who just want to learn

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Part of the reason is the covert racism, innuendos and microaggressions students are being exposed to by staff members. Over the years I have had numerous parents come and tell me what they have heard when my colleagues have been gossiping in the presence of the parents, thinking the parent is unable to understand English. I have had students both in elementary and middle school tell me what Ms. X was saying Ms. Y about me. All of us get these annual trainings about being tolerant of each other, but when it comes to implementation, the reality is different. In my colleagues' mindset, someone who looks like me and sounds like me should be a building service worker, a secretary or at most a teacher's assistant. This culture is being passed to the students. Not everyone is very strong emotionally. Not every student is strong enough to ignore and look the other way. Some of them are exploding.

Here another example of how some in the society look at everything through lens of race. This is exactly what MCPS leadership is doing as well. They are appeasing a certain group and drag everyone else to the mud.
This discussion is about violence in the school perpetuated by some that impacts staff, teachers and the students who are more academically focused. We need SROs at school and provide support for violent kids outside of school not endangering other kids who just want to learn

100%. I honestly didn't understand why the previous PP said what they said. This thread is about disruptive and violent kids.