Another violent incident at a MCPS school

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This is not new this happened with SRO’s in the school. This happened in the 2000’s, the 90’s, the 80’s, the 70’s… this is not new.

This is not a police matter

I agree the victim should not go to school with these kids.

If it’s a police matter, they get charged with simple assault, misdemeanor … no punishment and are in school next day.

Y’all are missing the forest for the trees

Robbery? So if you were in a dressing room at the mall and were confronted by a group who took your shoes, you would be good with not reporting it to the police?

Right. and these posters that are acting likes its no big deal are full of sh$t.

Imagine if 4 coworkers jumped you in the bathroom, beat you up, and took your shoes.

And HR said "come on, this isn't a big deal. no, we're not going to call the police. No, we're not going to fire these people. Yes, you'll have to share the break room with them when you are all on break together."

Go ahead call the police.

They will tell you how to go to the station and “file a report”. A cop is not wasting his time on your stolen Uggs.

Cops actually don’t respond to these calls. Security might writes a report and if you want to you can take the report to a station to submit a complaint.

Cops don’t respond to somebody that hit your car either unless there is bodily harm requiring a ambulance. You know how expensive and traumatic a smashed car is?

It’s like none of you even know what police do.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:They took the kid's shoes in a bathroom without a weapon. Should be disciplined, but I think this is only making news because of the Magruder incident. I'm sure these types of things happen every day.

Maybe if it happens to your kid you will change your deaf tune.

These types of things did happen to my children… and my siblings… and myself… and my friends. It’s HS.

this is like a "boys will be boys" attitude. Do you also think that it's fine for boys to slap girls' butts, grab'em by the pu$$ies?

No. I don’t and I think they should be disciplined based on severity of what they did.

Do you think more girls get their bars snapped today than they did 10 years ago … since your perspective is that “it’s all going down hill”.

Do more get “grabbed by the pu$$y” with no response from the school?

I also don’t think an SRO should respond to a girls bra being snapped because that is nit a reasonable response.

Abuse was more acceptable back then; rape was harder to convict; sexual harrassment laws were not really in existence; racism was more acceptable.

We should be more "woke" today, right? Why should we keep accepting sh1tty behavior by HS kids?

I find it odd when posters agree with me but still think we disagree.

So we agree it’s better, MCPS is not “going then hill”… crime is way down compared to previous years/decades.

Kids should be disciplined by schools not the criminal Justice system for misbehaving.

Kumbaya! We are all on the same page.

How should a kid who held down another kid with his friends, and stole his shoes be disciplined?

Should they be forced to participate in Restorative Justice and apologize to this kid and give this kid a hug? Do you think these kids would never ever do it again because they went thourgh RJ MCPS way?

How would the victim feel do you think? Why do you only think about the perpetuators and not the victim? Seems bizarre. Is your kid a troublemaker or something?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It feels like a jail because form follows function - Moco’s supersized schools LOOK like jails. Seneca Valley being the latest example…what is the size? 5,000 students?!

Seneca Valley has a capacity of 2551 students.

And it looks beautiful.. finally glad these kids have a school they can feel good about.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:They took the kid's shoes in a bathroom without a weapon. Should be disciplined, but I think this is only making news because of the Magruder incident. I'm sure these types of things happen every day.

Maybe if it happens to your kid you will change your deaf tune.

These types of things did happen to my children… and my siblings… and myself… and my friends. It’s HS.

this is like a "boys will be boys" attitude. Do you also think that it's fine for boys to slap girls' butts, grab'em by the pu$$ies?

No. I don’t and I think they should be disciplined based on severity of what they did.

Do you think more girls get their bars snapped today than they did 10 years ago … since your perspective is that “it’s all going down hill”.

Do more get “grabbed by the pu$$y” with no response from the school?

I also don’t think an SRO should respond to a girls bra being snapped because that is nit a reasonable response.

Abuse was more acceptable back then; rape was harder to convict; sexual harrassment laws were not really in existence; racism was more acceptable.

We should be more "woke" today, right? Why should we keep accepting sh1tty behavior by HS kids?

I find it odd when posters agree with me but still think we disagree.

So we agree it’s better, MCPS is not “going then hill”… crime is way down compared to previous years/decades.

Kids should be disciplined by schools not the criminal Justice system for misbehaving.

Kumbaya! We are all on the same page.

How should a kid who held down another kid with his friends, and stole his shoes be disciplined?

Should they be forced to participate in Restorative Justice and apologize to this kid and give this kid a hug? Do you think these kids would never ever do it again because they went thourgh RJ MCPS way?

How would the victim feel do you think? Why do you only think about the perpetuators and not the victim? Seems bizarre. Is your kid a troublemaker or something?

I already answered your question and I don’t think you even know what Restorative Justice is, it’s just a buzz word for you.

Again we agree but you continue to argue, your poor H.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is not new this happened with SRO’s in the school. This happened in the 2000’s, the 90’s, the 80’s, the 70’s… this is not new.

This is not a police matter

I agree the victim should not go to school with these kids.

If it’s a police matter, they get charged with simple assault, misdemeanor … no punishment and are in school next day.

Y’all are missing the forest for the trees

Robbery? So if you were in a dressing room at the mall and were confronted by a group who took your shoes, you would be good with not reporting it to the police?

Right. and these posters that are acting likes its no big deal are full of sh$t.

Imagine if 4 coworkers jumped you in the bathroom, beat you up, and took your shoes.

And HR said "come on, this isn't a big deal. no, we're not going to call the police. No, we're not going to fire these people. Yes, you'll have to share the break room with them when you are all on break together."

Go ahead call the police.

They will tell you how to go to the station and “file a report”. A cop is not wasting his time on your stolen Uggs.

Cops actually don’t respond to these calls. Security might writes a report and if you want to you can take the report to a station to submit a complaint.

Cops don’t respond to somebody that hit your car either unless there is bodily harm requiring a ambulance. You know how expensive and traumatic a smashed car is?

It’s like none of you even know what police do.

Uh, we had an officer come to our car accident, literally, last year.

Maybe he was in the area? I don't know. But I can attest that they did come to our accident. And not just to pop in. to talk to both parties

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They took the kid's shoes in a bathroom without a weapon. Should be disciplined, but I think this is only making news because of the Magruder incident. I'm sure these types of things happen every day.

Maybe if it happens to your kid you will change your deaf tune.

These types of things did happen to my children… and my siblings… and myself… and my friends. It’s HS.

this is like a "boys will be boys" attitude. Do you also think that it's fine for boys to slap girls' butts, grab'em by the pu$$ies?

No. I don’t and I think they should be disciplined based on severity of what they did.

Do you think more girls get their bars snapped today than they did 10 years ago … since your perspective is that “it’s all going down hill”.

Do more get “grabbed by the pu$$y” with no response from the school?

I also don’t think an SRO should respond to a girls bra being snapped because that is nit a reasonable response.

Abuse was more acceptable back then; rape was harder to convict; sexual harrassment laws were not really in existence; racism was more acceptable.

We should be more "woke" today, right? Why should we keep accepting sh1tty behavior by HS kids?

I find it odd when posters agree with me but still think we disagree.

So we agree it’s better, MCPS is not “going then hill”… crime is way down compared to previous years/decades.

Kids should be disciplined by schools not the criminal Justice system for misbehaving.

Kumbaya! We are all on the same page.

How should a kid who held down another kid with his friends, and stole his shoes be disciplined?

Should they be forced to participate in Restorative Justice and apologize to this kid and give this kid a hug? Do you think these kids would never ever do it again because they went thourgh RJ MCPS way?

How would the victim feel do you think? Why do you only think about the perpetuators and not the victim? Seems bizarre. Is your kid a troublemaker or something?

I already answered your question and I don’t think you even know what Restorative Justice is, it’s just a buzz word for you.

Again we agree but you continue to argue, your poor H.

I don't think you know how MCPS has implemented RJ.

My DH is super happy in our marriage, and if this happened to our kids, we would be LIVID. I'm sorry you don't care that much about your own kids. Poor your kids.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is not new this happened with SRO’s in the school. This happened in the 2000’s, the 90’s, the 80’s, the 70’s… this is not new.

This is not a police matter

I agree the victim should not go to school with these kids.

If it’s a police matter, they get charged with simple assault, misdemeanor … no punishment and are in school next day.

Y’all are missing the forest for the trees

Robbery? So if you were in a dressing room at the mall and were confronted by a group who took your shoes, you would be good with not reporting it to the police?

Right. and these posters that are acting likes its no big deal are full of sh$t.

Imagine if 4 coworkers jumped you in the bathroom, beat you up, and took your shoes.

And HR said "come on, this isn't a big deal. no, we're not going to call the police. No, we're not going to fire these people. Yes, you'll have to share the break room with them when you are all on break together."

Go ahead call the police.

They will tell you how to go to the station and “file a report”. A cop is not wasting his time on your stolen Uggs.

Cops actually don’t respond to these calls. Security might writes a report and if you want to you can take the report to a station to submit a complaint.

Cops don’t respond to somebody that hit your car either unless there is bodily harm requiring a ambulance. You know how expensive and traumatic a smashed car is?

It’s like none of you even know what police do.

Uh, we had an officer come to our car accident, literally, last year.

Maybe he was in the area? I don't know. But I can attest that they did come to our accident. And not just to pop in. to talk to both parties

Montgomery county cop wrote a report for an accident that had no injuries? If you were saying this then clearly you’re lying because that doesn’t happen. Actually correction it will happen if one of the parties is a really hot young chick who’s crying a lot.

[Anonymous]

If the school didn't do something about this, as a parent, if my child was attacked I'd call the police. Enough is enough. These kids don't need a good talking to. They need too be locked up a few weeks/months and have serious consequences and then probation to be monitored to get their behavior in check. They should do online or a school of kids with behavior problems.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is not new this happened with SRO’s in the school. This happened in the 2000’s, the 90’s, the 80’s, the 70’s… this is not new.

This is not a police matter

I agree the victim should not go to school with these kids.

If it’s a police matter, they get charged with simple assault, misdemeanor … no punishment and are in school next day.

Y’all are missing the forest for the trees

Robbery? So if you were in a dressing room at the mall and were confronted by a group who took your shoes, you would be good with not reporting it to the police?

Right. and these posters that are acting likes its no big deal are full of sh$t.

Imagine if 4 coworkers jumped you in the bathroom, beat you up, and took your shoes.

And HR said "come on, this isn't a big deal. no, we're not going to call the police. No, we're not going to fire these people. Yes, you'll have to share the break room with them when you are all on break together."

Go ahead call the police.

They will tell you how to go to the station and “file a report”. A cop is not wasting his time on your stolen Uggs.

Cops actually don’t respond to these calls. Security might writes a report and if you want to you can take the report to a station to submit a complaint.

Cops don’t respond to somebody that hit your car either unless there is bodily harm requiring a ambulance. You know how expensive and traumatic a smashed car is?

It’s like none of you even know what police do.

The police in this story came to the school and then took the four students to the station for further investigation so, at least in this case, you're demonstrably incorrect.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:And watch, these types of incidents will continue.

And more MC parents will tighten their belts and switch to private, or move to neighboring counties.

And next summer/fall, MCPS will announce another drop in attendance.

And they will pontificate, and tweet about it, and wring their hands, and wonder what to do about the corresponding reduction in funding.

And. Nothing. Will. Change.

We just bought a new place in Clarksburg which we thought was our forever home a few years ago and we are now seriously contemplating taking a possible loss to move out of MoCo. I can't imagine sending my kids to a school that has neverending violent fights.

And where are you moving to because similar incidents happen everyday is schools all across the country, including are neighboring counties and have been for decades.

Wrong. Look around at the next county over where the local politicians and BoE aren't crazy over-the-top social justice warriors. I have plenty of friends there and this isn't happening as frequently at their schools.

Please move to a red state where a fight in the bathroom is part of becoming a man.

You mean a rape in the bathroom?
And yes, my friends' kids don't have to pass by fights every time they walk to the cafeteria. They don't see teachers having to get in between girls beating the hell out of each other just because one was looking at the other the wrong way. They don't regularly see fights in bathrooms where there are spectators egging them on and taking videos. They don't hear kids threatening other kids that they'll shoot them up after school. They sit in classrooms where there aren't kids cursing at teachers the majority of the time. I grew up in this county and went to school here. It's never been this bad. Yes, there were fights but nothing to this extent. It's atrocious.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And watch, these types of incidents will continue.

And more MC parents will tighten their belts and switch to private, or move to neighboring counties.

And next summer/fall, MCPS will announce another drop in attendance.

And they will pontificate, and tweet about it, and wring their hands, and wonder what to do about the corresponding reduction in funding.

And. Nothing. Will. Change.

We just bought a new place in Clarksburg which we thought was our forever home a few years ago and we are now seriously contemplating taking a possible loss to move out of MoCo. I can't imagine sending my kids to a school that has neverending violent fights.

And where are you moving to because similar incidents happen everyday is schools all across the country, including are neighboring counties and have been for decades.

Wrong. Look around at the next county over where the local politicians and BoE aren't crazy over-the-top social justice warriors. I have plenty of friends there and this isn't happening as frequently at their schools.

Please move to a red state where a fight in the bathroom is part of becoming a man.

You mean a rape in the bathroom?
And yes, my friends' kids don't have to pass by fights every time they walk to the cafeteria. They don't see teachers having to get in between girls beating the hell out of each other just because one was looking at the other the wrong way. They don't regularly see fights in bathrooms where there are spectators egging them on and taking videos. They don't hear kids threatening other kids that they'll shoot them up after school. They sit in classrooms where there aren't kids cursing at teachers the majority of the time. I grew up in this county and went to school here. It's never been this bad. Yes, there were fights but nothing to this extent. It's atrocious.

You do realize you’re exaggerating the extent to which things are happening? Fights and threats happened in schools when you were in HS. Just because you weren’t involved or didn’t know doesn’t make this a new phenomenon. The difference is 1) media has greatly increased so people are more aware of things happening, and 2)Student behavior problems are up across the country following pandemic lockdown and isolation. There are kids(yes even in this county) who are going to class each day and learning just fine.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is not new this happened with SRO’s in the school. This happened in the 2000’s, the 90’s, the 80’s, the 70’s… this is not new.

This is not a police matter

I agree the victim should not go to school with these kids.

If it’s a police matter, they get charged with simple assault, misdemeanor … no punishment and are in school next day.

Y’all are missing the forest for the trees

I'd agree that this isn't new (I was robbed in high school although it was less traumatic than this sounds), but if you both assault someone and steal something, that's a charge of robbery and it's a felony. I'm fine with the police being involved with that. I don't think it's a sign of crisis, but it's a serious charge.

Theft of used shoes is literally theft of <$50. No it’s not a felony FFS!

It’s neither serious nor trauma but it does require discipline.

Well, not to nitpicking, but used sneakers routinely go for 75-100 bucks.

But let me tell you, I got mugged. As an adult. And I probably lost about 50 bucks in cash and my old wallet. I cancelled all cards. So at the end of the day, I was out 50 bucks plus the cost of a new wallet.

And it was traumatic AF.

The cost of the theft is irrelevant to the fear/trauma inflected.

Plus, layer in that the victim is a CHILD!!!!! And that victim deserves the respect. They should not have to sit in a class with or pass their mugger in a hallway.

In case you can't tell, the community is starting to get frustrated with MCPS' approach to discipline.

And for all the posters who are saying this is just reflective of the increased crime in the community: where do you think all those criminals in the community first started? They started with stunts like this. If we want to improve crime in 5-8 years, we need to teach these young men and women at the early age that theft and violence is unacceptable and has severe consequences.

But to nitpick but unless the shoes cost >$500 it’s a misdemeanor.

The assault and battery with no bodily harm is also a misdemeanor and a juvenile offense literally has no criminal consequences.

Actually assaults like these in society come from not educating kids and putting them in the criminal justice system at an early age. Denying them an education will lead them to assault in the future.

We educate people for society not for the children.

I don’t think the victim should ever see them again and the perps should move.

Your reflexive reaction based in your own trauma is delusional.

So what would be an appropriate punishment for these kids?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And watch, these types of incidents will continue.

And more MC parents will tighten their belts and switch to private, or move to neighboring counties.

And next summer/fall, MCPS will announce another drop in attendance.

And they will pontificate, and tweet about it, and wring their hands, and wonder what to do about the corresponding reduction in funding.

And. Nothing. Will. Change.

We just bought a new place in Clarksburg which we thought was our forever home a few years ago and we are now seriously contemplating taking a possible loss to move out of MoCo. I can't imagine sending my kids to a school that has neverending violent fights.

And where are you moving to because similar incidents happen everyday is schools all across the country, including are neighboring counties and have been for decades.

Wrong. Look around at the next county over where the local politicians and BoE aren't crazy over-the-top social justice warriors. I have plenty of friends there and this isn't happening as frequently at their schools.

Please move to a red state where a fight in the bathroom is part of becoming a man.

You mean a rape in the bathroom?
And yes, my friends' kids don't have to pass by fights every time they walk to the cafeteria. They don't see teachers having to get in between girls beating the hell out of each other just because one was looking at the other the wrong way. They don't regularly see fights in bathrooms where there are spectators egging them on and taking videos. They don't hear kids threatening other kids that they'll shoot them up after school. They sit in classrooms where there aren't kids cursing at teachers the majority of the time. I grew up in this county and went to school here. It's never been this bad. Yes, there were fights but nothing to this extent. It's atrocious.

You do realize you’re exaggerating the extent to which things are happening? Fights and threats happened in schools when you were in HS. Just because you weren’t involved or didn’t know doesn’t make this a new phenomenon. The difference is 1) media has greatly increased so people are more aware of things happening, and 2)Student behavior problems are up across the country following pandemic lockdown and isolation. There are kids(yes even in this county) who are going to class each day and learning just fine.

I never said it is a new phenomenon. Fights have gone up considerably. I definitely didn't see fights on a daily basis at my high school. My kids are..with their own eyes, everyday, and not on social media.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is not new this happened with SRO’s in the school. This happened in the 2000’s, the 90’s, the 80’s, the 70’s… this is not new.

This is not a police matter

I agree the victim should not go to school with these kids.

If it’s a police matter, they get charged with simple assault, misdemeanor … no punishment and are in school next day.

Y’all are missing the forest for the trees

I'd agree that this isn't new (I was robbed in high school although it was less traumatic than this sounds), but if you both assault someone and steal something, that's a charge of robbery and it's a felony. I'm fine with the police being involved with that. I don't think it's a sign of crisis, but it's a serious charge.

Theft of used shoes is literally theft of <$50. No it’s not a felony FFS!

It’s neither serious nor trauma but it does require discipline.

Well, not to nitpicking, but used sneakers routinely go for 75-100 bucks.

But let me tell you, I got mugged. As an adult. And I probably lost about 50 bucks in cash and my old wallet. I cancelled all cards. So at the end of the day, I was out 50 bucks plus the cost of a new wallet.

And it was traumatic AF.

The cost of the theft is irrelevant to the fear/trauma inflected.

Plus, layer in that the victim is a CHILD!!!!! And that victim deserves the respect. They should not have to sit in a class with or pass their mugger in a hallway.

In case you can't tell, the community is starting to get frustrated with MCPS' approach to discipline.

And for all the posters who are saying this is just reflective of the increased crime in the community: where do you think all those criminals in the community first started? They started with stunts like this. If we want to improve crime in 5-8 years, we need to teach these young men and women at the early age that theft and violence is unacceptable and has severe consequences.

But to nitpick but unless the shoes cost >$500 it’s a misdemeanor.

The assault and battery with no bodily harm is also a misdemeanor and a juvenile offense literally has no criminal consequences.

Actually assaults like these in society come from not educating kids and putting them in the criminal justice system at an early age. Denying them an education will lead them to assault in the future.

We educate people for society not for the children.

I don’t think the victim should ever see them again and the perps should move.

Your reflexive reaction based in your own trauma is delusional.

Denying them an education? What education are these kids getting at Northwood? My kid is at Northwood and he said these kids always skip classes and roam the hallways. What is the point of insisting that kids like this must stay in regular school. Several of the kids who assaulted the kid and took his shoes have caused fights and been suspended several times. Yet they keep returning to the detriment of all the other kids at the school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is not new this happened with SRO’s in the school. This happened in the 2000’s, the 90’s, the 80’s, the 70’s… this is not new.

This is not a police matter

I agree the victim should not go to school with these kids.

If it’s a police matter, they get charged with simple assault, misdemeanor … no punishment and are in school next day.

Y’all are missing the forest for the trees

Robbery? So if you were in a dressing room at the mall and were confronted by a group who took your shoes, you would be good with not reporting it to the police?

Right. and these posters that are acting likes its no big deal are full of sh$t.

Imagine if 4 coworkers jumped you in the bathroom, beat you up, and took your shoes.

And HR said "come on, this isn't a big deal. no, we're not going to call the police. No, we're not going to fire these people. Yes, you'll have to share the break room with them when you are all on break together."

Go ahead call the police.

They will tell you how to go to the station and “file a report”. A cop is not wasting his time on your stolen Uggs.

Cops actually don’t respond to these calls. Security might writes a report and if you want to you can take the report to a station to submit a complaint.

Cops don’t respond to somebody that hit your car either unless there is bodily harm requiring a ambulance. You know how expensive and traumatic a smashed car is?

It’s like none of you even know what police do.

The police in this story came to the school and then took the four students to the station for further investigation so, at least in this case, you're demonstrably incorrect.

The cops had to come and handcuff the kids and take them out. They would not cooperate with school staff or police. Yet I’m sure they will be back in school next week