Another violent incident at a MCPS school

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Anonymous wrote:Northwood HS in Silver Spring:

https://wjla.com/news/local/northwood-high-school-students-robbery-rob-bathroom-assault-shoes-montgomery-county-silver-spring

This is becoming a daily occurrence throughout MCPS. What will BOE/MCPS do to address this?

I can only imagine how bad things would be without RJ keeping these incidents as low as they are.

What do you think RJ is or does? It has kids apologize to each other and a promise of good behavior. Then, they go back to the same behavior the next day.

Is that what the voices in your head told you

It’s what my experience with RJ has told me. The students know it’s ridiculous. If all you have to do is give an insincere apology, what’s going to stop you from acting out again? I have sat through multiple RJ sessions as an adult witness / supervisor and I have yet to see it work.

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Unfortunately, for the most part, kids don't change. For many of them it takes prison as a wakeup call and sometimes even then a few different prison terms before they realize "hey, maybe I'm doing something wrong." Knew a few people who were violent/drugs/rebels in high school and most ended up doing prison time regardless of how many adults intervened and in what way. But they made a lot of people's lives miserable along the way. RJ is trash

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Doesn't RJ retraumatize the victim?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Wow, I have no idea where you parents got the idea that violence should be tolerated in school for social justice. You can't exactly learn when you're afraid to go to the bathroom or the halls due to criminals acting with impunity. Shocking how many of you expect your children to experience this while arguing to keep SROs out of school.

A student should not expect to get his footwear stolen in the boys bathroom by 3 or 4 thugs when the student is attending a high school.
Why is this okay?

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Anonymous wrote:This is not new this happened with SRO’s in the school. This happened in the 2000’s, the 90’s, the 80’s, the 70’s… this is not new.

This is not a police matter

I agree the victim should not go to school with these kids.

If it’s a police matter, they get charged with simple assault, misdemeanor … no punishment and are in school next day.

Y’all are missing the forest for the trees

I'd agree that this isn't new (I was robbed in high school although it was less traumatic than this sounds), but if you both assault someone and steal something, that's a charge of robbery and it's a felony. I'm fine with the police being involved with that. I don't think it's a sign of crisis, but it's a serious charge.

Theft of used shoes is literally theft of <$50. No it’s not a felony FFS!

It’s neither serious nor trauma but it does require discipline.

Well, not to nitpicking, but used sneakers routinely go for 75-100 bucks.

But let me tell you, I got mugged. As an adult. And I probably lost about 50 bucks in cash and my old wallet. I cancelled all cards. So at the end of the day, I was out 50 bucks plus the cost of a new wallet.

And it was traumatic AF.

The cost of the theft is irrelevant to the fear/trauma inflected.

Plus, layer in that the victim is a CHILD!!!!! And that victim deserves the respect. They should not have to sit in a class with or pass their mugger in a hallway.

In case you can't tell, the community is starting to get frustrated with MCPS' approach to discipline.

And for all the posters who are saying this is just reflective of the increased crime in the community: where do you think all those criminals in the community first started? They started with stunts like this. If we want to improve crime in 5-8 years, we need to teach these young men and women at the early age that theft and violence is unacceptable and has severe consequences.

But to nitpick but unless the shoes cost >$500 it’s a misdemeanor.

The assault and battery with no bodily harm is also a misdemeanor and a juvenile offense literally has no criminal consequences.

Actually assaults like these in society come from not educating kids and putting them in the criminal justice system at an early age. Denying them an education will lead them to assault in the future.

We educate people for society not for the children.

I don’t think the victim should ever see them again and the perps should move.

Your reflexive reaction based in your own trauma is delusional.

Denying them an education? What education are these kids getting at Northwood? My kid is at Northwood and he said these kids always skip classes and roam the hallways. What is the point of insisting that kids like this must stay in regular school. Several of the kids who assaulted the kid and took his shoes have caused fights and been suspended several times. Yet they keep returning to the detriment of all the other kids at the school.

These kids? Which kids? You know the 4 in the bathroom?

Which kids do you mean?

Yes. Everyone at the school knows exactly which kids these are. The police were in the hallway trying to deal with the miscreants.

So police are in the hallways trying to police kids that haven’t even done anything wrong yet based on some assumptions you make about them. Thanks for proving everybody’s point about SRO’s being bad.

Miscreant (n) - a person who behaves badly or in a way that breaks the law
So… the PP’s post does NOT show SROs being bad.
(I’d also argue that your “everybody” is misplaced since it appears most people on this thread support SROs.)

If they have already acted badly or broken a law then you don’t just “know who they are” you see them break them law and you react to their actions.

But what PP actually meant is there are black/Hispanic/disabled kids who act in a way that is loud/bad grades/annoying/don’t pay attention and SROs should target those kid for criminal interaction because she only want well behaved, quiet, studious kids with her child. And that is why people don’t want SROs

Being a bad student is not a crime.

No, what they are saying is they don't care about the education, but they want kids who are black/hispanic/students of color/disabled to get a free pass on any bad/violent or serious behavior just based off their skin color.

RJ improves the suspension numbers. It is rare to suspend students now for bad behaviors.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The headline should say assault and robbery instead of just robbery.

I posted this question on the last thread about Magruder and I'm posting it again - what is being done to keep students safe in bathrooms and locker rooms? Students should feel safe everywhere inside their schools.

Some HS students I've spoken with have compared their experiences in schools to being in jail. I'm starting to see why.

Thug culture in the high schools.

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Anonymous wrote:This is not new this happened with SRO’s in the school. This happened in the 2000’s, the 90’s, the 80’s, the 70’s… this is not new.

This is not a police matter

I agree the victim should not go to school with these kids.

If it’s a police matter, they get charged with simple assault, misdemeanor … no punishment and are in school next day.

Y’all are missing the forest for the trees

I'd agree that this isn't new (I was robbed in high school although it was less traumatic than this sounds), but if you both assault someone and steal something, that's a charge of robbery and it's a felony. I'm fine with the police being involved with that. I don't think it's a sign of crisis, but it's a serious charge.

Theft of used shoes is literally theft of <$50. No it’s not a felony FFS!

It’s neither serious nor trauma but it does require discipline.

Well, not to nitpicking, but used sneakers routinely go for 75-100 bucks.

But let me tell you, I got mugged. As an adult. And I probably lost about 50 bucks in cash and my old wallet. I cancelled all cards. So at the end of the day, I was out 50 bucks plus the cost of a new wallet.

And it was traumatic AF.

The cost of the theft is irrelevant to the fear/trauma inflected.

Plus, layer in that the victim is a CHILD!!!!! And that victim deserves the respect. They should not have to sit in a class with or pass their mugger in a hallway.

In case you can't tell, the community is starting to get frustrated with MCPS' approach to discipline.

And for all the posters who are saying this is just reflective of the increased crime in the community: where do you think all those criminals in the community first started? They started with stunts like this. If we want to improve crime in 5-8 years, we need to teach these young men and women at the early age that theft and violence is unacceptable and has severe consequences.

But to nitpick but unless the shoes cost >$500 it’s a misdemeanor.

The assault and battery with no bodily harm is also a misdemeanor and a juvenile offense literally has no criminal consequences.

Actually assaults like these in society come from not educating kids and putting them in the criminal justice system at an early age. Denying them an education will lead them to assault in the future.

We educate people for society not for the children.

I don’t think the victim should ever see them again and the perps should move.

Your reflexive reaction based in your own trauma is delusional.

Denying them an education? What education are these kids getting at Northwood? My kid is at Northwood and he said these kids always skip classes and roam the hallways. What is the point of insisting that kids like this must stay in regular school. Several of the kids who assaulted the kid and took his shoes have caused fights and been suspended several times. Yet they keep returning to the detriment of all the other kids at the school.

These kids? Which kids? You know the 4 in the bathroom?

Which kids do you mean?

Yes. Everyone at the school knows exactly which kids these are. The police were in the hallway trying to deal with the miscreants.

So police are in the hallways trying to police kids that haven’t even done anything wrong yet based on some assumptions you make about them. Thanks for proving everybody’s point about SRO’s being bad.

Miscreant (n) - a person who behaves badly or in a way that breaks the law
So… the PP’s post does NOT show SROs being bad.
(I’d also argue that your “everybody” is misplaced since it appears most people on this thread support SROs.)

If they have already acted badly or broken a law then you don’t just “know who they are” you see them break them law and you react to their actions.

But what PP actually meant is there are black/Hispanic/disabled kids who act in a way that is loud/bad grades/annoying/don’t pay attention and SROs should target those kid for criminal interaction because she only want well behaved, quiet, studious kids with her child. And that is why people don’t want SROs

Being a bad student is not a crime.

No, what they are saying is they don't care about the education, but they want kids who are black/hispanic/students of color/disabled to get a free pass on any bad/violent or serious behavior just based off their skin color.

RJ improves the suspension numbers. It is rare to suspend students now for bad behaviors.

That’s correct! We don’t suspect anymore, even if a student commits a pretty serious offense. We have a RJ session, the student learns nothing, and the school day continues. The victimized student is thrown right back into the same situation with no resolution and no promise that things will improve. But our suspension statistics look better, which is all we seem to care about these days.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The headline should say assault and robbery instead of just robbery.

I posted this question on the last thread about Magruder and I'm posting it again - what is being done to keep students safe in bathrooms and locker rooms? Students should feel safe everywhere inside their schools.

Some HS students I've spoken with have compared their experiences in schools to being in jail. I'm starting to see why.

Thug culture in the high schools.

+1 And it's all about the numbers. If MCPS doesn't suspend, then the numbers look good. That's all they care about.

I was just over at the boarddocs reading public testimonials. Over half of them were about how URM are doing poorly in schools, and why isn't MCPS doing anything about it?

IMO, that's *all* MCPS cares about - making the numbers for the URM look good, whether that's very low suspension rates or changing the magnet application to try to increase URM.

The only thing MCPS can do more is to make the grading easier to increase the pass rate -- oh wait, I think they already did that, and *still* the BBCoalition wants MCPS to do more.

MCPS should just give everyone a trophy for coming to school and a hug and sticker that says "you're awesome! 👍 " , then let them loose on the public. And where in MoCo do those kids go?

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Anonymous wrote:Doesn't RJ retraumatize the victim?

I would think so. Perhaps it's an option to offer to the victim, but it should be a victim-led decision. Can't imagine RJ for some kid groping another.

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Anonymous wrote:Doesn't RJ retraumatize the victim?

I would think so. Perhaps it's an option to offer to the victim, but it should be a victim-led decision. Can't imagine RJ for some kid groping another.

I can certainly imagine MCPS trying to do it though.

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Anonymous wrote:Wow, I have no idea where you parents got the idea that violence should be tolerated in school for social justice. You can't exactly learn when you're afraid to go to the bathroom or the halls due to criminals acting with impunity. Shocking how many of you expect your children to experience this while arguing to keep SROs out of school.

Improving police training and oversight to get bad police off the force is the way to address social justice problems. SROs have special training to work with students. They provide a valuable layer of deterrent and protection from violence at school. They also provide a quick response mechanism when a serious violent incident occurs.

Is it like the training they get for choke holds?

No Montgomery County police have been trained in choke holds this century.

And I'm sure they're very good at 'em.

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Anonymous wrote:Unfortunately, for the most part, kids don't change. For many of them it takes prison as a wakeup call and sometimes even then a few different prison terms before they realize "hey, maybe I'm doing something wrong." Knew a few people who were violent/drugs/rebels in high school and most ended up doing prison time regardless of how many adults intervened and in what way. But they made a lot of people's lives miserable along the way. RJ is trash

So you support the school to prison pipeline? to give them a "wakeup call"?

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Anonymous wrote:Unfortunately, for the most part, kids don't change. For many of them it takes prison as a wakeup call and sometimes even then a few different prison terms before they realize "hey, maybe I'm doing something wrong." Knew a few people who were violent/drugs/rebels in high school and most ended up doing prison time regardless of how many adults intervened and in what way. But they made a lot of people's lives miserable along the way. RJ is trash

So you support the school to prison pipeline? to give them a "wakeup call"?

So you support just letting criminals keep coming back to schools to yak things over with their victims and then repeatedly commit crimes and?

PP is correct. Restorative Justice is trash.

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Anonymous wrote:This is not new this happened with SRO’s in the school. This happened in the 2000’s, the 90’s, the 80’s, the 70’s… this is not new.

This is not a police matter

I agree the victim should not go to school with these kids.

If it’s a police matter, they get charged with simple assault, misdemeanor … no punishment and are in school next day.

Y’all are missing the forest for the trees

I'd agree that this isn't new (I was robbed in high school although it was less traumatic than this sounds), but if you both assault someone and steal something, that's a charge of robbery and it's a felony. I'm fine with the police being involved with that. I don't think it's a sign of crisis, but it's a serious charge.

Theft of used shoes is literally theft of <$50. No it’s not a felony FFS!

It’s neither serious nor trauma but it does require discipline.

Well, not to nitpicking, but used sneakers routinely go for 75-100 bucks.

But let me tell you, I got mugged. As an adult. And I probably lost about 50 bucks in cash and my old wallet. I cancelled all cards. So at the end of the day, I was out 50 bucks plus the cost of a new wallet.

And it was traumatic AF.

The cost of the theft is irrelevant to the fear/trauma inflected.

Plus, layer in that the victim is a CHILD!!!!! And that victim deserves the respect. They should not have to sit in a class with or pass their mugger in a hallway.

In case you can't tell, the community is starting to get frustrated with MCPS' approach to discipline.

And for all the posters who are saying this is just reflective of the increased crime in the community: where do you think all those criminals in the community first started? They started with stunts like this. If we want to improve crime in 5-8 years, we need to teach these young men and women at the early age that theft and violence is unacceptable and has severe consequences.

But to nitpick but unless the shoes cost >$500 it’s a misdemeanor.

The assault and battery with no bodily harm is also a misdemeanor and a juvenile offense literally has no criminal consequences.

Actually assaults like these in society come from not educating kids and putting them in the criminal justice system at an early age. Denying them an education will lead them to assault in the future.

We educate people for society not for the children.

I don’t think the victim should ever see them again and the perps should move.

Your reflexive reaction based in your own trauma is delusional.

Denying them an education? What education are these kids getting at Northwood? My kid is at Northwood and he said these kids always skip classes and roam the hallways. What is the point of insisting that kids like this must stay in regular school. Several of the kids who assaulted the kid and took his shoes have caused fights and been suspended several times. Yet they keep returning to the detriment of all the other kids at the school.

These kids? Which kids? You know the 4 in the bathroom?

Which kids do you mean?

Yes. Everyone at the school knows exactly which kids these are. The police were in the hallway trying to deal with the miscreants.

So police are in the hallways trying to police kids that haven’t even done anything wrong yet based on some assumptions you make about them. Thanks for proving everybody’s point about SRO’s being bad.

Miscreant (n) - a person who behaves badly or in a way that breaks the law
So… the PP’s post does NOT show SROs being bad.
(I’d also argue that your “everybody” is misplaced since it appears most people on this thread support SROs.)

If they have already acted badly or broken a law then you don’t just “know who they are” you see them break them law and you react to their actions.

But what PP actually meant is there are black/Hispanic/disabled kids who act in a way that is loud/bad grades/annoying/don’t pay attention and SROs should target those kid for criminal interaction because she only want well behaved, quiet, studious kids with her child. And that is why people don’t want SROs

Being a bad student is not a crime.

No, what they are saying is they don't care about the education, but they want kids who are black/hispanic/students of color/disabled to get a free pass on any bad/violent or serious behavior just based off their skin color.

RJ improves the suspension numbers. It is rare to suspend students now for bad behaviors.

That’s correct! We don’t suspect anymore, even if a student commits a pretty serious offense. We have a RJ session, the student learns nothing, and the school day continues. The victimized student is thrown right back into the same situation with no resolution and no promise that things will improve. But our suspension statistics look better, which is all we seem to care about these days.

This is EXACTLY how it works. It’s all about optics.

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Anonymous wrote:News article said "There is a growing call for the SRO program to be reinstated. However, politicians including Montgomery County Executive Marc Elrich (D) continue to maintain schools are safest without SROs in them."
Stupid moron living in a bubble. Can we get rid of this guy? He is old and doesn't even have kids in MCPS. Most of the County Council don't either.

+1 I’m a Democrat and I want him gone and SROs back in schools. Hell, the whole County Council and the Board of Ed can go too. I would consider voting for a candidate that supports school vouchers so parents can have tax dollars to choose a private option if their public school is not safe.

Agreed. I mean, we as a county are highly-educated, relatively speaking, but when we have leaders like Jawando talking about the "harm" of arresting black and brown kids, without including in the conversation the more severe harm that black and brown kids suffer from violence, it's not only political theater, but it's amoral.

He did the same with traffic enforcement. Apparently black male drivers being pulled over at disproportionately higher rates in Bethesda is more important than pedestrian safety (and reducing their deaths). All politicians are self-serving to some degree, but this particular executive and council are over the top. They do not care about the residents of this county, at all.

+1 million

They care about themselves. Jawando only wants to push forward with his own political career.