People who treat servers rudely

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I tip 20% for adequate service, 25% for very good service, and 15% for poor service. I'd prefer to do away with the tipping system altogether, raise menu prices 20%, and pay the servers a fair wage.

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I'm always trying to pay the bill when out with my parents because they pay 15% tip and I find that horrifying. I will be on high alert to steal the check and pay and tip decently if its a place I frequent.

OMG same. My parents are out of touch and genuinely think 15% is a good tip; they aren't even trying to stiff the server.

So who dictates what a required tip is? Is there a special restaurant rule book? For the longest time 15% was the accepted standard. Now its 20% minimum. In a couple yrs will you be called cheap and rude by smug waitresses if you don't leave 30%? Where does it end? Why do employers get to pay the same low hourly rate while increasing menu prices, while customers are expected to pay $$$ under the table to servers? We all know most tips aren't accurately reported to IRS

[Anonymous]

Kind of off the general discussion, but I've never gotten you tip a percentage of your final bill.

Two people at restaurant. Friend-1 is not that hungry and orders a salad and water. Friend-2 orders steak, two premium ala carte sides and has 3 glasses of wine. Friend-1's bill is $12. Friend-2's bill is $45.

In both cases, server brought water and menus, took orders, brought food, checked back if anything else was needed. But Friend-2 has to pay more than 3 times Friend-1 for basically the exact same service.

[Anonymous]

I never stiff on tip. Even when I had the worst waitress a few weeks ago. Totally ignored our table while she was chatting (not taking orders) with all the other tables around us. Never made eye contact. 15 minutes goes by and we don’t have water. I eventually said “hello, could we please..?” She cut me off and complained about how overwhelmed she is and was so passive aggressive, saying “sorry you’re having a bad day” to me. We were about to leave when we saw her rudely gesturing at us while complaining to her manager. He then comes over and assumes I am a jerk. Asks why I was complaining. I never complained. Says he wants me to smile. Ugh, so creepy. Waitress comes back over and says she prioritizes bringing out hot food plates. Never saw her bring food to anyone while we were waiting. Couldn’t believe she would hold a grudge against us throughout the meal. She forgot to bring 2 drinks and a side order till we again had to flag her down, which at this point we had eaten everything else. She practically threw the food at us. Manager comes back over and we request the check. No one comes to take it. We still left a 20% tip. But will never go back and I’m sorry to say that there are incompetent, rude servers out there who feel entitled to treat customers badly when they are not doing their job.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I never stiff on tip. Even when I had the worst waitress a few weeks ago. Totally ignored our table while she was chatting (not taking orders) with all the other tables around us. Never made eye contact. 15 minutes goes by and we don’t have water. I eventually said “hello, could we please..?” She cut me off and complained about how overwhelmed she is and was so passive aggressive, saying “sorry you’re having a bad day” to me. We were about to leave when we saw her rudely gesturing at us while complaining to her manager. He then comes over and assumes I am a jerk. Asks why I was complaining. I never complained. Says he wants me to smile. Ugh, so creepy. Waitress comes back over and says she prioritizes bringing out hot food plates. Never saw her bring food to anyone while we were waiting. Couldn’t believe she would hold a grudge against us throughout the meal. She forgot to bring 2 drinks and a side order till we again had to flag her down, which at this point we had eaten everything else. She practically threw the food at us. Manager comes back over and we request the check. No one comes to take it. We still left a 20% tip. But will never go back and I’m sorry to say that there are incompetent, rude servers out there who feel entitled to treat customers badly when they are not doing their job.

Sucker. Sorry you felt compelled to pay for nothing for

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I tip 20% for adequate service, 25% for very good service, and 15% for poor service. I'd prefer to do away with the tipping system altogether, raise menu prices 20%, and pay the servers a fair wage.

+1
I'm always trying to pay the bill when out with my parents because they pay 15% tip and I find that horrifying. I will be on high alert to steal the check and pay and tip decently if its a place I frequent.

OMG same. My parents are out of touch and genuinely think 15% is a good tip; they aren't even trying to stiff the server.

So who dictates what a required tip is? Is there a special restaurant rule book? For the longest time 15% was the accepted standard. Now its 20% minimum. In a couple yrs will you be called cheap and rude by smug waitresses if you don't leave 30%? Where does it end? Why do employers get to pay the same low hourly rate while increasing menu prices, while customers are expected to pay $$$ under the table to servers? We all know most tips aren't accurately reported to IRS

Most tips are on credit or debit card now and you bet your a$$ those get reported. Just stop being cheap or go to Applebee's of you can't afford a nice meal plus tip

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I tip 20% for adequate service, 25% for very good service, and 15% for poor service. I'd prefer to do away with the tipping system altogether, raise menu prices 20%, and pay the servers a fair wage.

+1
I'm always trying to pay the bill when out with my parents because they pay 15% tip and I find that horrifying. I will be on high alert to steal the check and pay and tip decently if its a place I frequent.

OMG same. My parents are out of touch and genuinely think 15% is a good tip; they aren't even trying to stiff the server.

So who dictates what a required tip is? Is there a special restaurant rule book? For the longest time 15% was the accepted standard. Now its 20% minimum. In a couple yrs will you be called cheap and rude by smug waitresses if you don't leave 30%? Where does it end? Why do employers get to pay the same low hourly rate while increasing menu prices, while customers are expected to pay $$$ under the table to servers? We all know most tips aren't accurately reported to IRS

Most tips are on credit or debit card now and you bet your a$$ those get reported. Just stop being cheap or go to Applebee's of you can't afford a nice meal plus tip

Sorry, not going to be guilty into paying 20+% for basic service because you think servers ‘deserve’ more. Nothing to do with being cheap.

[Anonymous]

Do the servers get some part/all of the "surcharge" that I see on my bill?

[Anonymous]

How exactly are you being treating rudely OP? Rude treatment to servers would be uncomfortable comments, raising voice, snapping fingers, calling out to you across the room, being aggressive. Not tipping you over 20% is not “rude”

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I tip 20% for adequate service, 25% for very good service, and 15% for poor service. I'd prefer to do away with the tipping system altogether, raise menu prices 20%, and pay the servers a fair wage.

+1
I'm always trying to pay the bill when out with my parents because they pay 15% tip and I find that horrifying. I will be on high alert to steal the check and pay and tip decently if its a place I frequent.

OMG same. My parents are out of touch and genuinely think 15% is a good tip; they aren't even trying to stiff the server.

So who dictates what a required tip is? Is there a special restaurant rule book? For the longest time 15% was the accepted standard. Now its 20% minimum. In a couple yrs will you be called cheap and rude by smug waitresses if you don't leave 30%? Where does it end? Why do employers get to pay the same low hourly rate while increasing menu prices, while customers are expected to pay $$$ under the table to servers? We all know most tips aren't accurately reported to IRS

20% is not standard.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I never stiff on tip. Even when I had the worst waitress a few weeks ago. Totally ignored our table while she was chatting (not taking orders) with all the other tables around us. Never made eye contact. 15 minutes goes by and we don’t have water. I eventually said “hello, could we please..?” She cut me off and complained about how overwhelmed she is and was so passive aggressive, saying “sorry you’re having a bad day” to me. We were about to leave when we saw her rudely gesturing at us while complaining to her manager. He then comes over and assumes I am a jerk. Asks why I was complaining. I never complained. Says he wants me to smile. Ugh, so creepy. Waitress comes back over and says she prioritizes bringing out hot food plates. Never saw her bring food to anyone while we were waiting. Couldn’t believe she would hold a grudge against us throughout the meal. She forgot to bring 2 drinks and a side order till we again had to flag her down, which at this point we had eaten everything else. She practically threw the food at us. Manager comes back over and we request the check. No one comes to take it. We still left a 20% tip. But will never go back and I’m sorry to say that there are incompetent, rude servers out there who feel entitled to treat customers badly when they are not doing their job.

There is no way I'd tip 20% and I'd write the restaurant and let them know how the manager and waitress treated you.

[Anonymous]

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So it's all about the tip, is it?
Pray, what is a low tip to you?

I'd rather pay more taxes and vote for politicians who want to raise the minimum wage than tip more than 20% for exceptional service (15 for standard, and lower or nothing for bad service).

You are part of the problem, OP - a generation of idiots who seek waiter jobs for the tips. No, you should be fighting for a decent wage instead. You are holding yourself back, and holding everyone back.

Oh, bless your heart. Not OP, but do you really think servers aren't also fighting for a decent wage? Do you... do you think that they want to be paid $2.13 an hour and be at the whim of leering weirdos who expect you to laugh at their jokes and parents who let their kids literally and deliberately crush wet Cheerios into the fabric of the booth benches?

Silly servers, holding the whole of society back like they do. For, you know... reasons. Or something.

Most parents don't allow their kids to behave that way. We did not.

They are choosing to work a job that "pays" $2.13. Plenty of other jobs available that pay much more.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:30’s families, 20s and 30’s couples tip the best. Most older women do not tip well. Most but not all older men do. The after church crowd is both notoriously needy, rude, and poor at tipping and that generalization is 100% true.

That may be because all women over forty are typically not provided as good customer service. So they’re less inclined to tip well when they haven’t been treated as well. Waiters etc. provide better customer service to men. This is true even in circumstances where they aren’t tipped, like flight attendants.

How do they still manage to tip you badly even after they've been nice to you and you have been nice to you(vice versa)?

NP with serving experience.

Because they:

1) Don't understand how to tip. Ignorance, willful or otherwise. English visitors were lovely and often fit into this category. Teenagers, too.

2) Believe tipping is truly optional, instead of technically optional.

3) Have a twisted religious justification for tipping poorly or not at all.

4) Are so rich they don't even think about people needing this money to literally pay their bills. Kind of an inverted Lucille Bluth. "It's $10, Michael. What could that buy, a banana? Big deal." If they even gave it that much consideration. To them, tipping 10% instead of 20% on a $200 bill and reducing the tip by $20 was the same as shorting someone a penny. Insignificant.

5) People who think servers are lovely and all, but only "take down your order" and are no more deserving of a tip than a cashier. See this thread.

6) Relatedly, and in conjunction with one or more of the above, have no idea that otherwise, most servers make $2.13 an hour.

All of the above people can be perfectly pleasant customers and would happily tell you they got great service. Sometimes they'll even compliment you to your manager, as if that pays your bills.

A couple of uncommon but not rare ones were:

1) People who came in and sometimes even told you from the start that they had (or only budgeted for) just enough money for their meal, and not enough for a tip. They never ordered less food, or water instead of soda or w/e, in order to afford the tip. They were usually very nice, but !!!

2) Churchgoing people who would say they only "gave God" 10% (tithe) so they just couldn't in good conscience give you more than that. Never mind the only thing tip and tithe have to do with each other is a percentage sign. The old waiter rejoinder was, "Great! Just give me 10% of your salary, then!"

If you think that the only people who tip poorly got bad service-- or even that the only people who tip poorly at least BELIEVE they got bad service-- I have news for you.

If you aren't making the income you demand, then find a differs t job.

Tip is a tip. Its not a payment or a salary/income. The real issue is these businesses should be paying a salary and they aren't.

A tip is generally 15%. Bad service 10%. But, if you do very little as a server, don't expect much. You don't deserve $10 for 5 minutes of work.

5 minutes? 5 minutes?? I've been tipped $2 serving a table that stayed 2 hours, fetching their meals and waters! While I could have been getting more worthwhile customers. That's almost two hours spent watching the table that overstayed to make sure they need anything. You sound like you don't deserve more than 5 minutes of our time.

Them taking up a table for two hours doesn't mean you worked with them two hours. A meal is one dish, maybe two. You bring it out one time. You bring water once, and refill 1-2 times. Really, not that much work.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I tip 20% for adequate service, 25% for very good service, and 15% for poor service. I'd prefer to do away with the tipping system altogether, raise menu prices 20%, and pay the servers a fair wage.

+1
I'm always trying to pay the bill when out with my parents because they pay 15% tip and I find that horrifying. I will be on high alert to steal the check and pay and tip decently if its a place I frequent.

15% is standard.

[Anonymous]

Servers don't want the tipping system to go away, because they make bank compared to what they would make with set wages. And if you aren't adult enough to inform your employer that your tips didn't equal minimum wage, don't be a server. The one week I worked a slow lunch shift and didn't make minimum, I told my boss and my job made up the difference, as is the law. Servers don't make "tiny amount" an hour. They make "tiny amount"+tips AS LONG AS IT IS AT LEAST EQUAL TO minimum wage.
Then they've complained constantly until the standard has climbed from 10% to 20%, and I don't see that stopping. Can't wait until we're 'required' to tip 110% on a bill because its staaaaandaaard.

[Anonymous]

How much time do you really spend on serving each table? 5-10 min? Unless there is unusual circumstances, a party of 2-4 people, you bring out drinking, take order, maybe refill once, bring out food. It isn’t that much work. If this is the service I am getting I tip 15%. If I am with a larger party, or having a lot of needs: many refills, extra condiments, extra food orders after initial order placed, kid mess, etc., then I will tip 20%, possibly more if circumstances dictate. But smallish party or only basic service needed, 15%. Nothing rude about that