People who treat servers rudely

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Anonymous wrote:OP props for trying but you're not going to change the behavior of stubborn a'holes on DCUM who are rude to servers or who don't tip. There are many previous threads if you do a search. I think actually you'll find that you can make a pretty decent living as a server or bartender if you are good at it and work your way up to a fine dining place. You will also put up with minimal bullsh*t at those places because most intelligent, accomplished people don't want to appear to be morons when they are out in public. They generally appreciate good food and good service and don't whine about paying for it.

This thread went from why are people rude to servers to why don't some people tip appropriately. Neither topic will ever be resolved. Both are realities in the world of serving. As a server you have to accept this and don't let it affect how you do your job if you want to be successful.

Service can only be so good. It has a fairly moderate ceiling. Be accurate, be prompt, answer menu questions knowledgeably, that about sums it up. Short of giving your customers the heimleich maneuver, what exactly are you expecting a tip over 20% for doing? Just because people should feel badly for you that your hourly wage is poor?

It's about tipping adequately. You are never obliged to tip extra if you don't feel like it.

Tipping adequately is 15%. Good tip is 20%. Off the meal, not meal and tax. Anything more is a bonus. If you want a pure salary, get a job that pays a salary.

NP. Nope. Tipping standard is 20. Tipping well is 25. You are a cheap, old loser.

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I grew up in a nice family with nice friends and I honestly don’t think I had ever seen anyone be rude to a server in person until I got married and my in-laws do it (my spouse would never). It is kind of amazing to watch. I honestly don’t know what their deal is with it. They don’t like, lose it, but they will make snide remarks.

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Anonymous wrote:OP props for trying but you're not going to change the behavior of stubborn a'holes on DCUM who are rude to servers or who don't tip. There are many previous threads if you do a search. I think actually you'll find that you can make a pretty decent living as a server or bartender if you are good at it and work your way up to a fine dining place. You will also put up with minimal bullsh*t at those places because most intelligent, accomplished people don't want to appear to be morons when they are out in public. They generally appreciate good food and good service and don't whine about paying for it.

This thread went from why are people rude to servers to why don't some people tip appropriately. Neither topic will ever be resolved. Both are realities in the world of serving. As a server you have to accept this and don't let it affect how you do your job if you want to be successful.

Service can only be so good. It has a fairly moderate ceiling. Be accurate, be prompt, answer menu questions knowledgeably, that about sums it up. Short of giving your customers the heimleich maneuver, what exactly are you expecting a tip over 20% for doing? Just because people should feel badly for you that your hourly wage is poor?

It's about tipping adequately. You are never obliged to tip extra if you don't feel like it.

Tipping adequately is 15%. Good tip is 20%. Off the meal, not meal and tax. Anything more is a bonus. If you want a pure salary, get a job that pays a salary.

NP. Nope. Tipping standard is 20. Tipping well is 25. You are a cheap, old loser.

No... I think people were extra generous during COVID, but this creeping inflationary tipping has to stop.

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Anonymous wrote:OP props for trying but you're not going to change the behavior of stubborn a'holes on DCUM who are rude to servers or who don't tip. There are many previous threads if you do a search. I think actually you'll find that you can make a pretty decent living as a server or bartender if you are good at it and work your way up to a fine dining place. You will also put up with minimal bullsh*t at those places because most intelligent, accomplished people don't want to appear to be morons when they are out in public. They generally appreciate good food and good service and don't whine about paying for it.

This thread went from why are people rude to servers to why don't some people tip appropriately. Neither topic will ever be resolved. Both are realities in the world of serving. As a server you have to accept this and don't let it affect how you do your job if you want to be successful.

Service can only be so good. It has a fairly moderate ceiling. Be accurate, be prompt, answer menu questions knowledgeably, that about sums it up. Short of giving your customers the heimleich maneuver, what exactly are you expecting a tip over 20% for doing? Just because people should feel badly for you that your hourly wage is poor?

It's about tipping adequately. You are never obliged to tip extra if you don't feel like it.

Tipping adequately is 15%. Good tip is 20%. Off the meal, not meal and tax. Anything more is a bonus. If you want a pure salary, get a job that pays a salary.

NP. Nope. Tipping standard is 20. Tipping well is 25. You are a cheap, old loser.

No... I think people were extra generous during COVID, but this creeping inflationary tipping has to stop.

Maybe. We generally just do carry out and only been out a few times. They should pay more if they are going out during covid but its really entitled to think you deserve 20-25% or more. Most people aren't very demanding.

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Anonymous wrote:30’s families, 20s and 30’s couples tip the best. Most older women do not tip well. Most but not all older men do. The after church crowd is both notoriously needy, rude, and poor at tipping and that generalization is 100% true.

first of all, that's cause they just got out of church, where they just gave a donation of 20 dollars or more of course there not going to want to tip, especially if it's a family with a younger child. They just spent an hour and a half with a child that has been jumping up and down between pews. I also don't think you have any right to say your opinion is 100% true especially if it is a generalization.

And? Not my problem if they don’t have the money or patience to eat out after church. I don’t think your exhausting morning = free or damn near free service.

Find a new job. If they don't eat out, the restaurant has no customers and you have no job.

No. I would rather sit a different family there, one which would properly tip. The table wouldn’t stay empty. And if it were, I’d frankly rather it remain empty than work for free or $1 or whatever pittance they feel they can spare after running me back and forth from the kitchen 1,000 times. And they always do.

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Anonymous wrote:30’s families, 20s and 30’s couples tip the best. Most older women do not tip well. Most but not all older men do. The after church crowd is both notoriously needy, rude, and poor at tipping and that generalization is 100% true.

That may be because all women over forty are typically not provided as good customer service. So they’re less inclined to tip well when they haven’t been treated as well. Waiters etc. provide better customer service to men. This is true even in circumstances where they aren’t tipped, like flight attendants.

How do they still manage to tip you badly even after they've been nice to you and you have been nice to you(vice versa)?

NP with serving experience.

Because they:

1) Don't understand how to tip. Ignorance, willful or otherwise. English visitors were lovely and often fit into this category. Teenagers, too.

2) Believe tipping is truly optional, instead of technically optional.

3) Have a twisted religious justification for tipping poorly or not at all.

4) Are so rich they don't even think about people needing this money to literally pay their bills. Kind of an inverted Lucille Bluth. "It's $10, Michael. What could that buy, a banana? Big deal." If they even gave it that much consideration. To them, tipping 10% instead of 20% on a $200 bill and reducing the tip by $20 was the same as shorting someone a penny. Insignificant.

5) People who think servers are lovely and all, but only "take down your order" and are no more deserving of a tip than a cashier. See this thread.

6) Relatedly, and in conjunction with one or more of the above, have no idea that otherwise, most servers make $2.13 an hour.

All of the above people can be perfectly pleasant customers and would happily tell you they got great service. Sometimes they'll even compliment you to your manager, as if that pays your bills.

A couple of uncommon but not rare ones were:

1) People who came in and sometimes even told you from the start that they had (or only budgeted for) just enough money for their meal, and not enough for a tip. They never ordered less food, or water instead of soda or w/e, in order to afford the tip. They were usually very nice, but !!!

2) Churchgoing people who would say they only "gave God" 10% (tithe) so they just couldn't in good conscience give you more than that. Never mind the only thing tip and tithe have to do with each other is a percentage sign. The old waiter rejoinder was, "Great! Just give me 10% of your salary, then!"

If you think that the only people who tip poorly got bad service-- or even that the only people who tip poorly at least BELIEVE they got bad service-- I have news for you.

If you aren't making the income you demand, then find a differs t job.

Tip is a tip. Its not a payment or a salary/income. The real issue is these businesses should be paying a salary and they aren't.

A tip is generally 15%. Bad service 10%. But, if you do very little as a server, don't expect much. You don't deserve $10 for 5 minutes of work.

5 minutes? 5 minutes?? I've been tipped $2 serving a table that stayed 2 hours, fetching their meals and waters! While I could have been getting more worthwhile customers. That's almost two hours spent watching the table that overstayed to make sure they need anything. You sound like you don't deserve more than 5 minutes of our time.

Them taking up a table for two hours doesn't mean you worked with them two hours. A meal is one dish, maybe two. You bring it out one time. You bring water once, and refill 1-2 times. Really, not that much work.

You obviously have never been a server before. Multiply that times maybe 6-7 tables and each one constantly asking for just a small something (can we get or random condiment? Can I bother you for another straw? Could I get some extra dressing? Do you have any lemons? obviously each one needs it urgently. Not to mention half the tables are guzzling down soft drinks as if they will die of thirst should they sip their Coca-Cola - and running food, closing, greeting constantly changing tables at the same time. It is a very taxing job being at the service of others for hours on end. A slow shift is different but I’m talking about a normal busy Friday or Saturday.

For such an “easy” job I don’t know why so many people on here are complaining about poor service

I don't ask for those tings but to complain about drink refills is bizarre. You are complaining about doing your job. You need a new job.

You also don’t need 5 refilled glasses of Coca Cola in one sitting.

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Anonymous wrote:30’s families, 20s and 30’s couples tip the best. Most older women do not tip well. Most but not all older men do. The after church crowd is both notoriously needy, rude, and poor at tipping and that generalization is 100% true.

first of all, that's cause they just got out of church, where they just gave a donation of 20 dollars or more of course there not going to want to tip, especially if it's a family with a younger child. They just spent an hour and a half with a child that has been jumping up and down between pews. I also don't think you have any right to say your opinion is 100% true especially if it is a generalization.

And? Not my problem if they don’t have the money or patience to eat out after church. I don’t think your exhausting morning = free or damn near free service.

Find a new job. If they don't eat out, the restaurant has no customers and you have no job.

No. I would rather sit a different family there, one which would properly tip. The table wouldn’t stay empty. And if it were, I’d frankly rather it remain empty than work for free or $1 or whatever pittance they feel they can spare after running me back and forth from the kitchen 1,000 times. And they always do.

Well, its not your choice. If its empty, not busy its fine for them to sit there. Your job is to get drinks. A dollar extra for a few refills is reasonable. Or, next time bring out an extra one at a time so you don't have to do more frequent runs. This is your job. Stop complaining about you having to do your job.

If you don't like your income find a new job or talk to your employer.

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Anonymous wrote:30’s families, 20s and 30’s couples tip the best. Most older women do not tip well. Most but not all older men do. The after church crowd is both notoriously needy, rude, and poor at tipping and that generalization is 100% true.

That may be because all women over forty are typically not provided as good customer service. So they’re less inclined to tip well when they haven’t been treated as well. Waiters etc. provide better customer service to men. This is true even in circumstances where they aren’t tipped, like flight attendants.

How do they still manage to tip you badly even after they've been nice to you and you have been nice to you(vice versa)?

NP with serving experience.

Because they:

1) Don't understand how to tip. Ignorance, willful or otherwise. English visitors were lovely and often fit into this category. Teenagers, too.

2) Believe tipping is truly optional, instead of technically optional.

3) Have a twisted religious justification for tipping poorly or not at all.

4) Are so rich they don't even think about people needing this money to literally pay their bills. Kind of an inverted Lucille Bluth. "It's $10, Michael. What could that buy, a banana? Big deal." If they even gave it that much consideration. To them, tipping 10% instead of 20% on a $200 bill and reducing the tip by $20 was the same as shorting someone a penny. Insignificant.

5) People who think servers are lovely and all, but only "take down your order" and are no more deserving of a tip than a cashier. See this thread.

6) Relatedly, and in conjunction with one or more of the above, have no idea that otherwise, most servers make $2.13 an hour.

All of the above people can be perfectly pleasant customers and would happily tell you they got great service. Sometimes they'll even compliment you to your manager, as if that pays your bills.

A couple of uncommon but not rare ones were:

1) People who came in and sometimes even told you from the start that they had (or only budgeted for) just enough money for their meal, and not enough for a tip. They never ordered less food, or water instead of soda or w/e, in order to afford the tip. They were usually very nice, but !!!

2) Churchgoing people who would say they only "gave God" 10% (tithe) so they just couldn't in good conscience give you more than that. Never mind the only thing tip and tithe have to do with each other is a percentage sign. The old waiter rejoinder was, "Great! Just give me 10% of your salary, then!"

If you think that the only people who tip poorly got bad service-- or even that the only people who tip poorly at least BELIEVE they got bad service-- I have news for you.

If you aren't making the income you demand, then find a differs t job.

Tip is a tip. Its not a payment or a salary/income. The real issue is these businesses should be paying a salary and they aren't.

A tip is generally 15%. Bad service 10%. But, if you do very little as a server, don't expect much. You don't deserve $10 for 5 minutes of work.

5 minutes? 5 minutes?? I've been tipped $2 serving a table that stayed 2 hours, fetching their meals and waters! While I could have been getting more worthwhile customers. That's almost two hours spent watching the table that overstayed to make sure they need anything. You sound like you don't deserve more than 5 minutes of our time.

Them taking up a table for two hours doesn't mean you worked with them two hours. A meal is one dish, maybe two. You bring it out one time. You bring water once, and refill 1-2 times. Really, not that much work.

You obviously have never been a server before. Multiply that times maybe 6-7 tables and each one constantly asking for just a small something (can we get or random condiment? Can I bother you for another straw? Could I get some extra dressing? Do you have any lemons? obviously each one needs it urgently. Not to mention half the tables are guzzling down soft drinks as if they will die of thirst should they sip their Coca-Cola - and running food, closing, greeting constantly changing tables at the same time. It is a very taxing job being at the service of others for hours on end. A slow shift is different but I’m talking about a normal busy Friday or Saturday.

For such an “easy” job I don’t know why so many people on here are complaining about poor service

I don't ask for those tings but to complain about drink refills is bizarre. You are complaining about doing your job. You need a new job.

You also don’t need 5 refilled glasses of Coca Cola in one sitting.

If they are tiny glasses, yes, you do. And, this is your job.

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Anonymous wrote:OP props for trying but you're not going to change the behavior of stubborn a'holes on DCUM who are rude to servers or who don't tip. There are many previous threads if you do a search. I think actually you'll find that you can make a pretty decent living as a server or bartender if you are good at it and work your way up to a fine dining place. You will also put up with minimal bullsh*t at those places because most intelligent, accomplished people don't want to appear to be morons when they are out in public. They generally appreciate good food and good service and don't whine about paying for it.

This thread went from why are people rude to servers to why don't some people tip appropriately. Neither topic will ever be resolved. Both are realities in the world of serving. As a server you have to accept this and don't let it affect how you do your job if you want to be successful.

Service can only be so good. It has a fairly moderate ceiling. Be accurate, be prompt, answer menu questions knowledgeably, that about sums it up. Short of giving your customers the heimleich maneuver, what exactly are you expecting a tip over 20% for doing? Just because people should feel badly for you that your hourly wage is poor?

It's about tipping adequately. You are never obliged to tip extra if you don't feel like it.

Tipping adequately is 15%. Good tip is 20%. Off the meal, not meal and tax. Anything more is a bonus. If you want a pure salary, get a job that pays a salary.

NP. Nope. Tipping standard is 20. Tipping well is 25. You are a cheap, old loser.

No... I think people were extra generous during COVID, but this creeping inflationary tipping has to stop.

Yes, it is, and that was the standard well before Covid, cheapo.

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Anonymous wrote:30’s families, 20s and 30’s couples tip the best. Most older women do not tip well. Most but not all older men do. The after church crowd is both notoriously needy, rude, and poor at tipping and that generalization is 100% true.

first of all, that's cause they just got out of church, where they just gave a donation of 20 dollars or more of course there not going to want to tip, especially if it's a family with a younger child. They just spent an hour and a half with a child that has been jumping up and down between pews. I also don't think you have any right to say your opinion is 100% true especially if it is a generalization.

And? Not my problem if they don’t have the money or patience to eat out after church. I don’t think your exhausting morning = free or damn near free service.

Find a new job. If they don't eat out, the restaurant has no customers and you have no job.

No. I would rather sit a different family there, one which would properly tip. The table wouldn’t stay empty. And if it were, I’d frankly rather it remain empty than work for free or $1 or whatever pittance they feel they can spare after running me back and forth from the kitchen 1,000 times. And they always do.

Well, its not your choice. If its empty, not busy its fine for them to sit there. Your job is to get drinks. A dollar extra for a few refills is reasonable. Or, next time bring out an extra one at a time so you don't have to do more frequent runs. This is your job. Stop complaining about you having to do your job.

If you don't like your income find a new job or talk to your employer.

Im good, I haven’t waited tables in 15 years but still remember the misery of the after church crowd. You don’t forget that abuse lol.

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Anonymous wrote:OP props for trying but you're not going to change the behavior of stubborn a'holes on DCUM who are rude to servers or who don't tip. There are many previous threads if you do a search. I think actually you'll find that you can make a pretty decent living as a server or bartender if you are good at it and work your way up to a fine dining place. You will also put up with minimal bullsh*t at those places because most intelligent, accomplished people don't want to appear to be morons when they are out in public. They generally appreciate good food and good service and don't whine about paying for it.

This thread went from why are people rude to servers to why don't some people tip appropriately. Neither topic will ever be resolved. Both are realities in the world of serving. As a server you have to accept this and don't let it affect how you do your job if you want to be successful.

Service can only be so good. It has a fairly moderate ceiling. Be accurate, be prompt, answer menu questions knowledgeably, that about sums it up. Short of giving your customers the heimleich maneuver, what exactly are you expecting a tip over 20% for doing? Just because people should feel badly for you that your hourly wage is poor?

It's about tipping adequately. You are never obliged to tip extra if you don't feel like it.

Tipping adequately is 15%. Good tip is 20%. Off the meal, not meal and tax. Anything more is a bonus. If you want a pure salary, get a job that pays a salary.

NP. Nope. Tipping standard is 20. Tipping well is 25. You are a cheap, old loser.

No... I think people were extra generous during COVID, but this creeping inflationary tipping has to stop.

Yes, it is, and that was the standard well before Covid, cheapo.

I agree I have always tipped 20% for as long as I can remember.

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Anonymous wrote:30’s families, 20s and 30’s couples tip the best. Most older women do not tip well. Most but not all older men do. The after church crowd is both notoriously needy, rude, and poor at tipping and that generalization is 100% true.

first of all, that's cause they just got out of church, where they just gave a donation of 20 dollars or more of course there not going to want to tip, especially if it's a family with a younger child. They just spent an hour and a half with a child that has been jumping up and down between pews. I also don't think you have any right to say your opinion is 100% true especially if it is a generalization.

You are a garbage person. A worthless POS. IF CHURCH STRESSES YOU OUT BECAUSE OF YOUR KID THEN DONT GO TO A RESTAURANT AFTER CHIRCH. What an absolute jagwagon you are. Typical Churchy McChurcherson

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Anonymous wrote:How exactly are you being treating rudely OP? Rude treatment to servers would be uncomfortable comments, raising voice, snapping fingers, calling out to you across the room, being aggressive. Not tipping you over 20% is not “rude”

OP here. I don't know where all these comments about not tipping me over 20% is rude, because my original post was complaining about how customers act rudely(as people) towards me regardless of the tip. Tip is another story, I don't care if you didn't tip me over 20%, we servers don't expect anything over 20% from you. That's on you if you want to tip over 20%, it's not rude if you don't.
What bothers me is when people don't tip or tip so low for service that I didn't sign up to do for 'free.' Here in America, don't come into a sit down restaurant if you can't afford to pay the tip as well. It's an implied cost that's however up to you to choose as long as it's adequate. If you're complaining about how the system is working in America right now, try dining out at European restaurants where servers get paid full wage, fortunately.

It's not about choosing another job. People have been paying tip, no one is pulling off a full-blast campaign against the tipping system, and this may or may not change in the long future. Millions of restaurants are already operating like this and probably won't change in your lifetime.

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Anonymous wrote:30’s families, 20s and 30’s couples tip the best. Most older women do not tip well. Most but not all older men do. The after church crowd is both notoriously needy, rude, and poor at tipping and that generalization is 100% true.

Millennials and Gen Z are the superior generations confirmed. What else is new?

OP here, I can confirm. I have met plenty of wonderful Gen X and Boomer customers and people in my lifetime, but I'm going to confirm that Gen Z and Millenials are the most polite generation to have been served. Gen Z aren't the best tippers at their age right now, but they make my day. I have yet to meet a demanding or impatient customer of that generation, I love the way how they greet you and say 'thank you' and 'please,' it's a pleasure serving them. That's to say in my area, Gen X has done a pretty great job of raising this generation. As a member of Gen Z myself, I strive to raise my children the same way, because I'd rather have a kind and courteous child than a smart-mouthed one. She/he'd be damned if I heard disrespectful behavior towards ANY individual, restaurant or not.

I really like the little kids that the millenials are raising too. So sweet just like their parents and I hope we are going through a parenting reformation of a sort.

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Anonymous wrote:Youre asking a community of very entitled boomers. Most of the people here are some of the most dysfunctional losers with miserable lives who prey on anyone they perceive as having less power to make themselves feel marginally better for a moment. It's pathetic.

Maybe you should start a gofundme to supplement your income

I have no need, I make bank and thank God 90% of my customers are millennials and GenZ. I LOVE not having to work for you old crinkled up losers. But I do feel for OP, because I'm sure it's hell dealing with miserable little dweebs like yourself.

Well of course. You and everyone else on DCUM “makes bank.” And are highly attractive, fit, with the smartest kids ever.

Not everyone is a loser like you, PP. Sorry your life turned out this way. Maybe you can go bully a minimum wage worker to make yourself feel better for 2 seconds. Oh well.

These are the POS's who've never worked a day in their life as a minimum wage worker and understand the struggles.