Girl's School and Gender Pronouns

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The funniest part about it is all of these girls who think they are railing against the “patriarchy” are trying to join it by identifying his male! They don’t even realize the absurdity of their own statements.

I think there is an element of "if you can't beat them, join them." By middle school, girls are smart enough to see the vast amount of misogyny in the world, and how their male classmates have a better life ahead of them just by virtue of being born with penises. I don't think they are trying to rail against the patriarchy. They are just looking at their options and in many cases being rational.

Would you please reread your own post and tell us all how you managed to type that with a straight face?

Please remember that we are discussing girls who attend a $45K a year private school, all of whom will go on to SLACs/ top universities -- the great majority of which have a 45-55 or so percent ratio of M to F enrollment. They come from wealth and privilege far beyond what most people in the world can begin to comprehend. They will have amazing careers doing anything they are willing to work to achieve and your position is that they are victims of misogyny, and will have better lives than male counterpoints?

Lady, please get some help. You are as disconnected from reality as many of these kids.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I can tell you right now that this will not fly in any of the all girls schools. I have already spoken to a number of friends with "girls" in public middle school who plan to move them to private all girls to avoid the hysteria. Nobody is going to put up with it. Similar to what happened when Stone Ridge tried to introduce CRT into the curriculum. It got squashed almost immediately by the parents.

You'd be very wrong then.

No sweetie, you’re going to be very wrong.

These schools already embrace trans students, whatever fight you expect to happen is over.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The funniest part about it is all of these girls who think they are railing against the “patriarchy” are trying to join it by identifying his male! They don’t even realize the absurdity of their own statements.

I think there is an element of "if you can't beat them, join them." By middle school, girls are smart enough to see the vast amount of misogyny in the world, and how their male classmates have a better life ahead of them just by virtue of being born with penises. I don't think they are trying to rail against the patriarchy. They are just looking at their options and in many cases being rational.

This is quite possibly the most bizarre statement I have read on DCUM. If you are a woman, I certainly hope that you don’t tell your own daughters that men (just because they have a penis) are going to have a better life than your daughters. This is outrageous that you would tell your daughters this or even think it yourself.

I am a woman in a mostly male-dominated field. Speaking to my colleagues, I am aware that my salary is on par or higher than the majority of men at my seniority level. I don’t look at myself as a victim. I look at myself as a strong and capable person/woman. I don’t make excuses for myself or see someone else as more valuable or capable because they have a penis.

You are extremely out of touch with the feelings of middle school girls. Shoot the messenger if you like, but there is a reason why in middle school this is something driven almost entirely by girls.

Unlike you, I don’t live my life or decisions based on the feelings of 12 - 14 year olds. I base my life and my decisions on facts. Your statement about men having a better life because they have a penis is indeed itself misogynistic.

You sound very irrational. I have said nothing about living my life or decisions, but you jumped to a crazy conclusion with no evidence, I guess because you can't handle the fact that middle school girls have thoughts that you don't like.

To be clear, I think that removing "girl" is very wrong. I don't support it. But I think people need to be honest about why girls are doing this. They have a lot of discussion about misogyny amongst themselves. They talk about how boys have better lives.

You are both rigid and irrational as far as I can tell, but putting your head in the sand is not going to make this issue go away.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The funniest part about it is all of these girls who think they are railing against the “patriarchy” are trying to join it by identifying his male! They don’t even realize the absurdity of their own statements.

I think there is an element of "if you can't beat them, join them." By middle school, girls are smart enough to see the vast amount of misogyny in the world, and how their male classmates have a better life ahead of them just by virtue of being born with penises. I don't think they are trying to rail against the patriarchy. They are just looking at their options and in many cases being rational.

Would you please reread your own post and tell us all how you managed to type that with a straight face?

Please remember that we are discussing girls who attend a $45K a year private school, all of whom will go on to SLACs/ top universities -- the great majority of which have a 45-55 or so percent ratio of M to F enrollment. They come from wealth and privilege far beyond what most people in the world can begin to comprehend. They will have amazing careers doing anything they are willing to work to achieve and your position is that they are victims of misogyny, and will have better lives than male counterpoints?

Lady, please get some help. You are as disconnected from reality as many of these kids.

Couldn’t have said it better myself. These adults infecting these children’s minds with this nonsense a victimhood is outrageous.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The funniest part about it is all of these girls who think they are railing against the “patriarchy” are trying to join it by identifying his male! They don’t even realize the absurdity of their own statements.

I think there is an element of "if you can't beat them, join them." By middle school, girls are smart enough to see the vast amount of misogyny in the world, and how their male classmates have a better life ahead of them just by virtue of being born with penises. I don't think they are trying to rail against the patriarchy. They are just looking at their options and in many cases being rational.

This is quite possibly the most bizarre statement I have read on DCUM. If you are a woman, I certainly hope that you don’t tell your own daughters that men (just because they have a penis) are going to have a better life than your daughters. This is outrageous that you would tell your daughters this or even think it yourself.

I am a woman in a mostly male-dominated field. Speaking to my colleagues, I am aware that my salary is on par or higher than the majority of men at my seniority level. I don’t look at myself as a victim. I look at myself as a strong and capable person/woman. I don’t make excuses for myself or see someone else as more valuable or capable because they have a penis.

You are extremely out of touch with the feelings of middle school girls. Shoot the messenger if you like, but there is a reason why in middle school this is something driven almost entirely by girls.

Unlike you, I don’t live my life or decisions based on the feelings of 12 - 14 year olds. I base my life and my decisions on facts. Your statement about men having a better life because they have a penis is indeed itself misogynistic.

You sound very irrational. I have said nothing about living my life or decisions, but you jumped to a crazy conclusion with no evidence, I guess because you can't handle the fact that middle school girls have thoughts that you don't like.

To be clear, I think that removing "girl" is very wrong. I don't support it. But I think people need to be honest about why girls are doing this. They have a lot of discussion about misogyny amongst themselves. They talk about how boys have better lives.

You are both rigid and irrational as far as I can tell, but putting your head in the sand is not going to make this issue go away.

I’d rather be rigid and have my decisions based on science and facts then a unicorn living in La La Land promoting a bunch of nonsense for 12 year olds.

[Anonymous]

I hope the penis poster doesn’t have daughters too.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The funniest part about it is all of these girls who think they are railing against the “patriarchy” are trying to join it by identifying his male! They don’t even realize the absurdity of their own statements.

I think there is an element of "if you can't beat them, join them." By middle school, girls are smart enough to see the vast amount of misogyny in the world, and how their male classmates have a better life ahead of them just by virtue of being born with penises. I don't think they are trying to rail against the patriarchy. They are just looking at their options and in many cases being rational.

Would you please reread your own post and tell us all how you managed to type that with a straight face?

Please remember that we are discussing girls who attend a $45K a year private school, all of whom will go on to SLACs/ top universities -- the great majority of which have a 45-55 or so percent ratio of M to F enrollment. They come from wealth and privilege far beyond what most people in the world can begin to comprehend. They will have amazing careers doing anything they are willing to work to achieve and your position is that they are victims of misogyny, and will have better lives than male counterpoints?

Lady, please get some help. You are as disconnected from reality as many of these kids.

Sure, they are privileged. And already a huge percentage of them have experienced sexual assault.

Personally I think a lot of the trans talk among middle school girls is coming from trauma. They have started to be assaulted, leered at, violated, etc. They see their male classmates don't experience that at all (we know unfortunately some do, but it is more rare and not as discussed).

But sure, go ahead and ignore the high rates of sexual assault among girls and just tell them they are privileged and should just get over that. That seems to be your modus operandi.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The funniest part about it is all of these girls who think they are railing against the “patriarchy” are trying to join it by identifying his male! They don’t even realize the absurdity of their own statements.

I think there is an element of "if you can't beat them, join them." By middle school, girls are smart enough to see the vast amount of misogyny in the world, and how their male classmates have a better life ahead of them just by virtue of being born with penises. I don't think they are trying to rail against the patriarchy. They are just looking at their options and in many cases being rational.

Would you please reread your own post and tell us all how you managed to type that with a straight face?

Please remember that we are discussing girls who attend a $45K a year private school, all of whom will go on to SLACs/ top universities -- the great majority of which have a 45-55 or so percent ratio of M to F enrollment. They come from wealth and privilege far beyond what most people in the world can begin to comprehend. They will have amazing careers doing anything they are willing to work to achieve and your position is that they are victims of misogyny, and will have better lives than male counterpoints?

Lady, please get some help. You are as disconnected from reality as many of these kids.

Sure, they are privileged. And already a huge percentage of them have experienced sexual assault.

Personally I think a lot of the trans talk among middle school girls is coming from trauma. They have started to be assaulted, leered at, violated, etc. They see their male classmates don't experience that at all (we know unfortunately some do, but it is more rare and not as discussed).

But sure, go ahead and ignore the high rates of sexual assault among girls and just tell them they are privileged and should just get over that. That seems to be your modus operandi.

Oh my God you are actually insane. The majority of them have already experience sexual assault? Based on what? Have you spoken to all these girls in the local private schools about their sexual assaults? Do you even have a daughter that attends one of these private schools? You are unhinged and irrational.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The funniest part about it is all of these girls who think they are railing against the “patriarchy” are trying to join it by identifying his male! They don’t even realize the absurdity of their own statements.

I think there is an element of "if you can't beat them, join them." By middle school, girls are smart enough to see the vast amount of misogyny in the world, and how their male classmates have a better life ahead of them just by virtue of being born with penises. I don't think they are trying to rail against the patriarchy. They are just looking at their options and in many cases being rational.

This is quite possibly the most bizarre statement I have read on DCUM. If you are a woman, I certainly hope that you don’t tell your own daughters that men (just because they have a penis) are going to have a better life than your daughters. This is outrageous that you would tell your daughters this or even think it yourself.

I am a woman in a mostly male-dominated field. Speaking to my colleagues, I am aware that my salary is on par or higher than the majority of men at my seniority level. I don’t look at myself as a victim. I look at myself as a strong and capable person/woman. I don’t make excuses for myself or see someone else as more valuable or capable because they have a penis.

You are extremely out of touch with the feelings of middle school girls. Shoot the messenger if you like, but there is a reason why in middle school this is something driven almost entirely by girls.

Unlike you, I don’t live my life or decisions based on the feelings of 12 - 14 year olds. I base my life and my decisions on facts. Your statement about men having a better life because they have a penis is indeed itself misogynistic.

You sound very irrational. I have said nothing about living my life or decisions, but you jumped to a crazy conclusion with no evidence, I guess because you can't handle the fact that middle school girls have thoughts that you don't like.

To be clear, I think that removing "girl" is very wrong. I don't support it. But I think people need to be honest about why girls are doing this. They have a lot of discussion about misogyny amongst themselves. They talk about how boys have better lives.

You are both rigid and irrational as far as I can tell, but putting your head in the sand is not going to make this issue go away.

I’d rather be rigid and have my decisions based on science and facts then a unicorn living in La La Land promoting a bunch of nonsense for 12 year olds.

You are both irrational and rigid, and not nearly as grounded in science as you think you are. Oh well. Can't fix that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My daughter who attends a very strong local private girls school (one that we have been very happy with) reports that girls in her student government, led by the adult Director of Student Life, are having conversations about how using the terms 'girls' when addressing the students there is 'exclusive' and not gender-identity inclusive. There are discussions about changing the handbook to restrict the use of 'girls,' as well as the Director of Student Life actively advocating to the girls actually taking down school-purchased signs on campus the denote that it is a girls school. While I am left-leaning and certainly think that people should be able to choose their own pronouns, this seems over the top. We chose a girls school precisely for it being one. And we have deeply appreciated the strengths that that her girls school education has provided to her. Has anyone else with a daughter in a girl's school heard about this?

Every time I think this stuff can’t get more ridiculous, suddenly it does.

+1. These schools are really going to regret being involved in this nonsense someday. I certainly won’t pay for it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The funniest part about it is all of these girls who think they are railing against the “patriarchy” are trying to join it by identifying his male! They don’t even realize the absurdity of their own statements.

I think there is an element of "if you can't beat them, join them." By middle school, girls are smart enough to see the vast amount of misogyny in the world, and how their male classmates have a better life ahead of them just by virtue of being born with penises. I don't think they are trying to rail against the patriarchy. They are just looking at their options and in many cases being rational.

Would you please reread your own post and tell us all how you managed to type that with a straight face?

Please remember that we are discussing girls who attend a $45K a year private school, all of whom will go on to SLACs/ top universities -- the great majority of which have a 45-55 or so percent ratio of M to F enrollment. They come from wealth and privilege far beyond what most people in the world can begin to comprehend. They will have amazing careers doing anything they are willing to work to achieve and your position is that they are victims of misogyny, and will have better lives than male counterpoints?

Lady, please get some help. You are as disconnected from reality as many of these kids.

Sure, they are privileged. And already a huge percentage of them have experienced sexual assault.

Personally I think a lot of the trans talk among middle school girls is coming from trauma. They have started to be assaulted, leered at, violated, etc. They see their male classmates don't experience that at all (we know unfortunately some do, but it is more rare and not as discussed).

But sure, go ahead and ignore the high rates of sexual assault among girls and just tell them they are privileged and should just get over that. That seems to be your modus operandi.

Oh my God you are actually insane. The majority of them have already experience sexual assault? Based on what? Have you spoken to all these girls in the local private schools about their sexual assaults? Do you even have a daughter that attends one of these private schools? You are unhinged and irrational.

+1 i’ve seen this poster before. She is the one who always jumps to conclusions that men are predators and have violated anything that walks. She has no proof, no statistics, and no evidence. Just hate in her heart for men. Obviously, something traumatic happened in her past and I’m sorry for that, but the conjecture and speculation is ridiculous.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The funniest part about it is all of these girls who think they are railing against the “patriarchy” are trying to join it by identifying his male! They don’t even realize the absurdity of their own statements.

I think there is an element of "if you can't beat them, join them." By middle school, girls are smart enough to see the vast amount of misogyny in the world, and how their male classmates have a better life ahead of them just by virtue of being born with penises. I don't think they are trying to rail against the patriarchy. They are just looking at their options and in many cases being rational.

Would you please reread your own post and tell us all how you managed to type that with a straight face?

Please remember that we are discussing girls who attend a $45K a year private school, all of whom will go on to SLACs/ top universities -- the great majority of which have a 45-55 or so percent ratio of M to F enrollment. They come from wealth and privilege far beyond what most people in the world can begin to comprehend. They will have amazing careers doing anything they are willing to work to achieve and your position is that they are victims of misogyny, and will have better lives than male counterpoints?

Lady, please get some help. You are as disconnected from reality as many of these kids.

Sure, they are privileged. And already a huge percentage of them have experienced sexual assault.

Personally I think a lot of the trans talk among middle school girls is coming from trauma. They have started to be assaulted, leered at, violated, etc. They see their male classmates don't experience that at all (we know unfortunately some do, but it is more rare and not as discussed).

But sure, go ahead and ignore the high rates of sexual assault among girls and just tell them they are privileged and should just get over that. That seems to be your modus operandi.

Oh my God you are actually insane. The majority of them have already experience sexual assault? Based on what? Have you spoken to all these girls in the local private schools about their sexual assaults? Do you even have a daughter that attends one of these private schools? You are unhinged and irrational.

I didn't say majority. You made that up. I said "high rates," and that is well-established by now. Do I need to do basic research for you and show you estimates of rates of sexual assault? This is not really a fact that is much debated.

Also, it's hard to tell from your hyperventilating answer, but are you taking the position that children enrolled in expensive private school are magically exempt from experiences of sexual assault, battery, rape, etc.? Studies of childhood assault do not support that.

I find it interesting how freaked out you are, and I think it is sad. There is plenty of data available to you, if you choose to educate yourself. You don't have to stay blind.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The funniest part about it is all of these girls who think they are railing against the “patriarchy” are trying to join it by identifying his male! They don’t even realize the absurdity of their own statements.

I think there is an element of "if you can't beat them, join them." By middle school, girls are smart enough to see the vast amount of misogyny in the world, and how their male classmates have a better life ahead of them just by virtue of being born with penises. I don't think they are trying to rail against the patriarchy. They are just looking at their options and in many cases being rational.

Would you please reread your own post and tell us all how you managed to type that with a straight face?

Please remember that we are discussing girls who attend a $45K a year private school, all of whom will go on to SLACs/ top universities -- the great majority of which have a 45-55 or so percent ratio of M to F enrollment. They come from wealth and privilege far beyond what most people in the world can begin to comprehend. They will have amazing careers doing anything they are willing to work to achieve and your position is that they are victims of misogyny, and will have better lives than male counterpoints?

Lady, please get some help. You are as disconnected from reality as many of these kids.

Sure, they are privileged. And already a huge percentage of them have experienced sexual assault.

Personally I think a lot of the trans talk among middle school girls is coming from trauma. They have started to be assaulted, leered at, violated, etc. They see their male classmates don't experience that at all (we know unfortunately some do, but it is more rare and not as discussed).

But sure, go ahead and ignore the high rates of sexual assault among girls and just tell them they are privileged and should just get over that. That seems to be your modus operandi.

Oh my God you are actually insane. The majority of them have already experience sexual assault? Based on what? Have you spoken to all these girls in the local private schools about their sexual assaults? Do you even have a daughter that attends one of these private schools? You are unhinged and irrational.

I didn't say majority. You made that up. I said "high rates," and that is well-established by now. Do I need to do basic research for you and show you estimates of rates of sexual assault? This is not really a fact that is much debated.

Also, it's hard to tell from your hyperventilating answer, but are you taking the position that children enrolled in expensive private school are magically exempt from experiences of sexual assault, battery, rape, etc.? Studies of childhood assault do not support that.

I find it interesting how freaked out you are, and I think it is sad. There is plenty of data available to you, if you choose to educate yourself. You don't have to stay blind.

Again, zero statistics. And you said “huge percentage”. Now what does this have to do with all girls schools.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The funniest part about it is all of these girls who think they are railing against the “patriarchy” are trying to join it by identifying his male! They don’t even realize the absurdity of their own statements.

I think there is an element of "if you can't beat them, join them." By middle school, girls are smart enough to see the vast amount of misogyny in the world, and how their male classmates have a better life ahead of them just by virtue of being born with penises. I don't think they are trying to rail against the patriarchy. They are just looking at their options and in many cases being rational.

Would you please reread your own post and tell us all how you managed to type that with a straight face?

Please remember that we are discussing girls who attend a $45K a year private school, all of whom will go on to SLACs/ top universities -- the great majority of which have a 45-55 or so percent ratio of M to F enrollment. They come from wealth and privilege far beyond what most people in the world can begin to comprehend. They will have amazing careers doing anything they are willing to work to achieve and your position is that they are victims of misogyny, and will have better lives than male counterpoints?

Lady, please get some help. You are as disconnected from reality as many of these kids.

Sure, they are privileged. And already a huge percentage of them have experienced sexual assault.

Personally I think a lot of the trans talk among middle school girls is coming from trauma. They have started to be assaulted, leered at, violated, etc. They see their male classmates don't experience that at all (we know unfortunately some do, but it is more rare and not as discussed).

But sure, go ahead and ignore the high rates of sexual assault among girls and just tell them they are privileged and should just get over that. That seems to be your modus operandi.

Oh my God you are actually insane. The majority of them have already experience sexual assault? Based on what? Have you spoken to all these girls in the local private schools about their sexual assaults? Do you even have a daughter that attends one of these private schools? You are unhinged and irrational.

I didn't say majority. You made that up. I said "high rates," and that is well-established by now. Do I need to do basic research for you and show you estimates of rates of sexual assault? This is not really a fact that is much debated.

Also, it's hard to tell from your hyperventilating answer, but are you taking the position that children enrolled in expensive private school are magically exempt from experiences of sexual assault, battery, rape, etc.? Studies of childhood assault do not support that.

I find it interesting how freaked out you are, and I think it is sad. There is plenty of data available to you, if you choose to educate yourself. You don't have to stay blind.

You are sad and traumatized. It’s unbelievably said you think
Men are superior and destined to be happier than you because you have a vaginainsread of a penis. That is truly sad. Your poor children. Your sons would be rapists and your daughters victims.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The funniest part about it is all of these girls who think they are railing against the “patriarchy” are trying to join it by identifying his male! They don’t even realize the absurdity of their own statements.

I think there is an element of "if you can't beat them, join them." By middle school, girls are smart enough to see the vast amount of misogyny in the world, and how their male classmates have a better life ahead of them just by virtue of being born with penises. I don't think they are trying to rail against the patriarchy. They are just looking at their options and in many cases being rational.

Would you please reread your own post and tell us all how you managed to type that with a straight face?

Please remember that we are discussing girls who attend a $45K a year private school, all of whom will go on to SLACs/ top universities -- the great majority of which have a 45-55 or so percent ratio of M to F enrollment. They come from wealth and privilege far beyond what most people in the world can begin to comprehend. They will have amazing careers doing anything they are willing to work to achieve and your position is that they are victims of misogyny, and will have better lives than male counterpoints?

Lady, please get some help. You are as disconnected from reality as many of these kids.

Sure, they are privileged. And already a huge percentage of them have experienced sexual assault.

Personally I think a lot of the trans talk among middle school girls is coming from trauma. They have started to be assaulted, leered at, violated, etc. They see their male classmates don't experience that at all (we know unfortunately some do, but it is more rare and not as discussed).

But sure, go ahead and ignore the high rates of sexual assault among girls and just tell them they are privileged and should just get over that. That seems to be your modus operandi.

Oh my God you are actually insane. The majority of them have already experience sexual assault? Based on what? Have you spoken to all these girls in the local private schools about their sexual assaults? Do you even have a daughter that attends one of these private schools? You are unhinged and irrational.

I didn't say majority. You made that up. I said "high rates," and that is well-established by now. Do I need to do basic research for you and show you estimates of rates of sexual assault? This is not really a fact that is much debated.

Also, it's hard to tell from your hyperventilating answer, but are you taking the position that children enrolled in expensive private school are magically exempt from experiences of sexual assault, battery, rape, etc.? Studies of childhood assault do not support that.

I find it interesting how freaked out you are, and I think it is sad. There is plenty of data available to you, if you choose to educate yourself. You don't have to stay blind.

You are sad and traumatized. It’s unbelievably said you think
Men are superior and destined to be happier than you because you have a vaginainsread of a penis. That is truly sad. Your poor children. Your sons would be rapists and your daughters victims.

- sad