Chappelle Visit at Duke Ellington

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Anonymous wrote:Queer block woman again.

This is the problem as I see it.

In the black community, not agreeing with someone does not equal racism. You don’t have to wholly subscribe to all ways of thinking because a black person says it. We are not monolith folk. We can be republican, think OJ did it, think Farrakhan goes too far (while maybe still agreeing with some points). As Dave says, black folk continue to be at the bottom of the totem pole when it comes to minority groups. The way of thinking that if your don’t agree then you’re Xist needs to stop on this group and in our country. It’s similar with speaking up against or not in agreement with my Jewish brethren. You can still love a group of people but not subscribe to all their politics.

For the PP that mentioned black voting rights before LGBT, are you serious? Black people had been here for 400 years before they got voting rights, of which are still not granted in an equitable way. LGBT folk just started their crusade and are on equal footing as black community. That’s a great thing if you look at it that way. As Dave says, it’s admirable and he’s jealous that black folks didn’t have the same path.

Again, this entire argument is a false dichotomy fallacy. Nobody advocating for measures to protect trans youth from being killed is supporting GOP voter suppression efforts, but by trying to divide the queer community and be an apologist for black homophobia because the homophobe happens to be black, you ARE supporting those efforts. You should visit GOP Twitter. Chapelle is a hero to them right now.

Correct but that’s not the issue that Dave is talking about and you know it. Or you would if you watched it. To use an earlier topic…He’s saying that by calling someone with child a pregnant person and not a pregnant woman for political correctness is indeed taking away from the pregnant women everywhere that give life. A statement like that is not anti trans. Has nothing to do with trans persons at all. Not everything is about trans people.

It literally is anti-trans.

Honest confusion.. because trans women are as much woman as those who were born with female organs and the ability to bear children?

Because trans men can also have babies. So by insisting that only women have babies, you’re telling trans men that they … don’t exist? I don’t even know. But that’s the concept.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Queer block woman again.

This is the problem as I see it.

In the black community, not agreeing with someone does not equal racism. You don’t have to wholly subscribe to all ways of thinking because a black person says it. We are not monolith folk. We can be republican, think OJ did it, think Farrakhan goes too far (while maybe still agreeing with some points). As Dave says, black folk continue to be at the bottom of the totem pole when it comes to minority groups. The way of thinking that if your don’t agree then you’re Xist needs to stop on this group and in our country. It’s similar with speaking up against or not in agreement with my Jewish brethren. You can still love a group of people but not subscribe to all their politics.

For the PP that mentioned black voting rights before LGBT, are you serious? Black people had been here for 400 years before they got voting rights, of which are still not granted in an equitable way. LGBT folk just started their crusade and are on equal footing as black community. That’s a great thing if you look at it that way. As Dave says, it’s admirable and he’s jealous that black folks didn’t have the same path.

Again, this entire argument is a false dichotomy fallacy. Nobody advocating for measures to protect trans youth from being killed is supporting GOP voter suppression efforts, but by trying to divide the queer community and be an apologist for black homophobia because the homophobe happens to be black, you ARE supporting those efforts. You should visit GOP Twitter. Chapelle is a hero to them right now.

Correct but that’s not the issue that Dave is talking about and you know it. Or you would if you watched it. To use an earlier topic…He’s saying that by calling someone with child a pregnant person and not a pregnant woman for political correctness is indeed taking away from the pregnant women everywhere that give life. A statement like that is not anti trans. Has nothing to do with trans persons at all. Not everything is about trans people.

It literally is anti-trans.

Honest confusion.. because trans women are as much woman as those who were born with female organs and the ability to bear children?

Because trans men can also have babies. So by insisting that only women have babies, you’re telling trans men that they … don’t exist? I don’t even know. But that’s the concept.

I know you're going to call me anti trans, but I have to ask. If a trans man is a man, why would he gestate and birth a baby? Stories like these make it difficult to distinguish between genuine feeling of being born in the wrong body (and then surgically and hormonally correcting that) and straight up mental illness.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Queer block woman again.

This is the problem as I see it.

In the black community, not agreeing with someone does not equal racism. You don’t have to wholly subscribe to all ways of thinking because a black person says it. We are not monolith folk. We can be republican, think OJ did it, think Farrakhan goes too far (while maybe still agreeing with some points). As Dave says, black folk continue to be at the bottom of the totem pole when it comes to minority groups. The way of thinking that if your don’t agree then you’re Xist needs to stop on this group and in our country. It’s similar with speaking up against or not in agreement with my Jewish brethren. You can still love a group of people but not subscribe to all their politics.

For the PP that mentioned black voting rights before LGBT, are you serious? Black people had been here for 400 years before they got voting rights, of which are still not granted in an equitable way. LGBT folk just started their crusade and are on equal footing as black community. That’s a great thing if you look at it that way. As Dave says, it’s admirable and he’s jealous that black folks didn’t have the same path.

Again, this entire argument is a false dichotomy fallacy. Nobody advocating for measures to protect trans youth from being killed is supporting GOP voter suppression efforts, but by trying to divide the queer community and be an apologist for black homophobia because the homophobe happens to be black, you ARE supporting those efforts. You should visit GOP Twitter. Chapelle is a hero to them right now.

Correct but that’s not the issue that Dave is talking about and you know it. Or you would if you watched it. To use an earlier topic…He’s saying that by calling someone with child a pregnant person and not a pregnant woman for political correctness is indeed taking away from the pregnant women everywhere that give life. A statement like that is not anti trans. Has nothing to do with trans persons at all. Not everything is about trans people.

It literally is anti-trans.

Honest confusion.. because trans women are as much woman as those who were born with female organs and the ability to bear children?

Because trans men can also have babies. So by insisting that only women have babies, you’re telling trans men that they … don’t exist? I don’t even know. But that’s the concept.

I know you're going to call me anti trans, but I have to ask. If a trans man is a man, why would he gestate and birth a baby? Stories like these make it difficult to distinguish between genuine feeling of being born in the wrong body (and then surgically and hormonally correcting that) and straight up mental illness.

Why is that any of your business? And how does it at all harm you to be inclusive.

But ok, I’ll play. Let’s say a trans man gets sexually assaulted and ends up pregnant. Do they have to get an abortion in order for you to be willing to keep calling them a man?

This is really not hard and thankfully the younger generations seem to have figured this out with almost no drama.

Chappelle is a bigot. Breaking news: you can be black and still be a bigot.

[Anonymous]

A trans man is a biological woman so why can’t we call people who get pregnant women? The misogyny is so gross.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:A trans man is a biological woman so why can’t we call people who get pregnant women? The misogyny is so gross.

….. because that person identifies as a man. What’s gross is bigotry.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A trans man is a biological woman so why can’t we call people who get pregnant women? The misogyny is so gross.

….. because that person identifies as a man. What’s gross is bigotry.

The whole thing is nuts. We are supposed to be neutral and not at all confused by the befuddling array of gender identities and not scratch our heads at a trans man who births a baby (but rape!). Seriously! You're asking a lot.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A trans man is a biological woman so why can’t we call people who get pregnant women? The misogyny is so gross.

….. because that person identifies as a man. What’s gross is bigotry.

The whole thing is nuts. We are supposed to be neutral and not at all confused by the befuddling array of gender identities and not scratch our heads at a trans man who births a baby (but rape!). Seriously! You're asking a lot.

And yet somehow most kids I know deal with this really easily. So it really isn’t that hard. You are just making it really hard.

—parent of a trans kid

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A trans man is a biological woman so why can’t we call people who get pregnant women? The misogyny is so gross.

….. because that person identifies as a man. What’s gross is bigotry.

I would call them he/him and treat them with kindness as I do everyone else. Acknowledging that someone is a biological female is not bigoted. Denying that fact when they are carrying a child is insanity. The doctor should refer to them however they want, but if you want people to buy into them being “100%” male, then the doctor would give him zero prenatal care and have him put in a mental institution.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Queer block woman again.

This is the problem as I see it.

In the black community, not agreeing with someone does not equal racism. You don’t have to wholly subscribe to all ways of thinking because a black person says it. We are not monolith folk. We can be republican, think OJ did it, think Farrakhan goes too far (while maybe still agreeing with some points). As Dave says, black folk continue to be at the bottom of the totem pole when it comes to minority groups. The way of thinking that if your don’t agree then you’re Xist needs to stop on this group and in our country. It’s similar with speaking up against or not in agreement with my Jewish brethren. You can still love a group of people but not subscribe to all their politics.

For the PP that mentioned black voting rights before LGBT, are you serious? Black people had been here for 400 years before they got voting rights, of which are still not granted in an equitable way. LGBT folk just started their crusade and are on equal footing as black community. That’s a great thing if you look at it that way. As Dave says, it’s admirable and he’s jealous that black folks didn’t have the same path.

Again, this entire argument is a false dichotomy fallacy. Nobody advocating for measures to protect trans youth from being killed is supporting GOP voter suppression efforts, but by trying to divide the queer community and be an apologist for black homophobia because the homophobe happens to be black, you ARE supporting those efforts. You should visit GOP Twitter. Chapelle is a hero to them right now.

Correct but that’s not the issue that Dave is talking about and you know it. Or you would if you watched it. To use an earlier topic…He’s saying that by calling someone with child a pregnant person and not a pregnant woman for political correctness is indeed taking away from the pregnant women everywhere that give life. A statement like that is not anti trans. Has nothing to do with trans persons at all. Not everything is about trans people.

It literally is anti-trans.

Honest confusion.. because trans women are as much woman as those who were born with female organs and the ability to bear children?

Because trans men can also have babies. So by insisting that only women have babies, you’re telling trans men that they … don’t exist? I don’t even know. But that’s the concept.

I know you're going to call me anti trans, but I have to ask. If a trans man is a man, why would he gestate and birth a baby? Stories like these make it difficult to distinguish between genuine feeling of being born in the wrong body (and then surgically and hormonally correcting that) and straight up mental illness.

Why is that any of your business? And how does it at all harm you to be inclusive.

But ok, I’ll play. Let’s say a trans man gets sexually assaulted and ends up pregnant. Do they have to get an abortion in order for you to be willing to keep calling them a man?

This is really not hard and thankfully the younger generations seem to have figured this out with almost no drama.

Chappelle is a bigot. Breaking news: you can be black and still be a bigot.

Here's the harm of being "inclusive." Maternal mortality is a huge issue, higher rates in the US and linked to race. Also it's part of how women's health care is systemically undervalued and under-resourced compared to men. See studies on ER wait times and pain management, etc. Saying "pregnant people" removes that context to the care of pregnancy / childbirth / risks and puts it into a vacuum.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Queer block woman again.

This is the problem as I see it.

In the black community, not agreeing with someone does not equal racism. You don’t have to wholly subscribe to all ways of thinking because a black person says it. We are not monolith folk. We can be republican, think OJ did it, think Farrakhan goes too far (while maybe still agreeing with some points). As Dave says, black folk continue to be at the bottom of the totem pole when it comes to minority groups. The way of thinking that if your don’t agree then you’re Xist needs to stop on this group and in our country. It’s similar with speaking up against or not in agreement with my Jewish brethren. You can still love a group of people but not subscribe to all their politics.

For the PP that mentioned black voting rights before LGBT, are you serious? Black people had been here for 400 years before they got voting rights, of which are still not granted in an equitable way. LGBT folk just started their crusade and are on equal footing as black community. That’s a great thing if you look at it that way. As Dave says, it’s admirable and he’s jealous that black folks didn’t have the same path.

Again, this entire argument is a false dichotomy fallacy. Nobody advocating for measures to protect trans youth from being killed is supporting GOP voter suppression efforts, but by trying to divide the queer community and be an apologist for black homophobia because the homophobe happens to be black, you ARE supporting those efforts. You should visit GOP Twitter. Chapelle is a hero to them right now.

Correct but that’s not the issue that Dave is talking about and you know it. Or you would if you watched it. To use an earlier topic…He’s saying that by calling someone with child a pregnant person and not a pregnant woman for political correctness is indeed taking away from the pregnant women everywhere that give life. A statement like that is not anti trans. Has nothing to do with trans persons at all. Not everything is about trans people.

It literally is anti-trans.

Honest confusion.. because trans women are as much woman as those who were born with female organs and the ability to bear children?

Because trans men can also have babies. So by insisting that only women have babies, you’re telling trans men that they … don’t exist? I don’t even know. But that’s the concept.

I know you're going to call me anti trans, but I have to ask. If a trans man is a man, why would he gestate and birth a baby? Stories like these make it difficult to distinguish between genuine feeling of being born in the wrong body (and then surgically and hormonally correcting that) and straight up mental illness.

Why is that any of your business? And how does it at all harm you to be inclusive.

But ok, I’ll play. Let’s say a trans man gets sexually assaulted and ends up pregnant. Do they have to get an abortion in order for you to be willing to keep calling them a man?

This is really not hard and thankfully the younger generations seem to have figured this out with almost no drama.

Chappelle is a bigot. Breaking news: you can be black and still be a bigot.

Here's the harm of being "inclusive." Maternal mortality is a huge issue, higher rates in the US and linked to race. Also it's part of how women's health care is systemically undervalued and under-resourced compared to men. See studies on ER wait times and pain management, etc. Saying "pregnant people" removes that context to the care of pregnancy / childbirth / risks and puts it into a vacuum.

No it doesn’t the #’s are negligible.

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